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NFT: NHL Trade Deadline Discussion - A Week and a Half out

pjcas18 : 2/13/2020 10:03 am
The next 7 days will solidify some things, teams hanging on to wild card hope will fade and become sellers (Canadiens) and other teams will thrive and become buyers CBJ, PHI

There will be injuries (McDavid, Bouwemeister) that could make some teams in contention become buyers or other injuries (Weber) that enforce other teams should be sellers.

Right now the Athletic has articles of both the top players (from Custance) likely to be traded and top prospects (from Pronman) likely to be traded.

The players include Kreider (#1), Kovalchuck (where did his resurrection come from?), Hoffman, Georgiev, etc.

and prospects include Puljujarvi, Lias Andersson, Honka, Bracco (etc.)

I thought this year the deadline might be active, but the list of names seems really bereft of marquee players, so who knows.

I don't know what to expect.

Seems like a sellers market though even if NHL teams are hesitant to trade for rentals.
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RE: 'Seriously?'  
Jay in Toronto : 2/13/2020 4:42 pm : link
In comment 14810427 Torrag said:
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Very seriously. The next puck battle he wins in our end will be the first. I have no use for defenseman that suck at defending. He sucks. If I have to watch the other team cycle our zone and get a grade A scoring chance again because of him I'll puke. If we didn't have one of the best goalie corps in the NHL bailing him out every night he'd be a net -15.


Very frustrating that Dmen seem to be evaluated by their points.

As I said in the game thread, Fox broke up a 3 on 1 with his stick -- shades of Harry Howell.

Where does that show up in the stats.
One comment about what I've been reading about this draft  
pjcas18 : 2/13/2020 4:42 pm : link
while many say it's a deep draft it's not shaping up to be deep with high end talent - from many scouts.

For example picks 1 - n are thought to be elite. but then what makes the draft interesting is that there is thought to be not THAT much separation for players y - 60.

I don't have the actual numbers, but say it's 15. 15 high end prospects and then 45 attractive players all with flaws.

I think that makes for a good draft with some 2nd round upside, but man it makes that 16 - 31 spot dangerous.

So, if your scouts believe that to be true, your 1st round pick if you're a playoff contender should be available.
that's outrageous result  
ColHowPepper : 2/13/2020 4:46 pm : link
Chara not even Game Misconduct? That was actionable assault. Aside from max allowable fine under the players' agreement, is there no leeway whatsoever for Bettman/League to step in with suspension?
Another good resource below  
Jay in Toronto : 2/13/2020 4:47 pm : link
I've also seen the Avalanche as a Kreider destination.

And Buchie was jokingly referring to his and Kreider's spots on this chart.

Probably a bit wistfully.


Trade resource - ( New Window )
If you don't get  
pjcas18 : 2/13/2020 4:49 pm : link
Lafreniere I wouldn't mind somehow being in the 10 - 12 spot and picking Jan Mysak.

talk about a draft riser.

Since he joined Hamilton, 12 p in 12 games.
RE: that's outrageous result  
pjcas18 : 2/13/2020 4:50 pm : link
In comment 14810716 ColHowPepper said:
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Chara not even Game Misconduct? That was actionable assault. Aside from max allowable fine under the players' agreement, is there no leeway whatsoever for Bettman/League to step in with suspension?


the league reviewed and decided on the fine.

I don't get worked up about this stuff, it all evens itself out (karmically) but the league is generally a joke when they claim to be about player safety.
Other hockey news  
pjcas18 : 2/13/2020 4:53 pm : link
wrt Beijing Olympics, if they're going to happen, the league met with the IIHF and the IOC.

And allegedly the IOC and IIHF agreed to amend everything the league had brought up as objections as to why they didn't want the players to participate.

the "puck" is in the league's court now and the players almost all want to do it.

Beijing is a shitty destination, but Olympic hockey is riveting with the world's best players, but as we saw last Olympics it's barely watchable without pros. Just seems like poor minor league hockey.

RE: RE: the Atheltic says  
Metnut : 2/13/2020 5:03 pm : link
In comment 14810694 Greg from LI said:
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In comment 14810662 Metnut said:


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most likely destinations for Kreider are Pit, NYI and BOS. Doesn't seem like a list of teams NYR would be thrilled to deal with.



There is absolutely no way in hell they're going to trade him to the Islanders unless it's an overpay, and I don't know why the Islanders would do that.

Boston would be the most palatable from that list. They traded Nash there, after all.


Because, the Islanders are on pace for another 103+ pt season and a top 6 winger like Kreider would make them an even more dangerous team in the playoffs? He also likes NY so the Islanders would supposedly (im skeptical cause no one ever signs with NYI) have a chance to extend him.

He seems like the exact type of player the Isles would want to acquire. If NYR wants to take less to avoid dealing him to NYI, that's on them (same type of move I've seen my Mets make when it comes to dealing with NYY).

Pit already gave up their 1st, so not sure they can really outbid NYI. Isles would at least give up their 1st and while the NYI/BOS 1st could go either way, most would think the NYI 1st likely to be the more valuable of the two picks. Not sure what more it would take for NYI to deal him, but he's a rental player so I doubt the package would be too big.
Isles  
KDubbs : 2/13/2020 5:45 pm : link
Should see if anaheim would part with Henrique or if Montreal would be interested in a Domi deal. Otherwise go for a winger like grabner or lesser center like soderberg.
For the right deal I would trade D'Angelo  
Manning10 : 2/13/2020 6:50 pm : link
While he can be an offensive force at times he is not good in his own end and frankly gets caught up ice and teams have 2 or 3 on 1.
Strome is another one I think they can part with.
Pitt seems the best fit  
Vanzetti : 2/14/2020 1:36 am : link
Sid and Letang are 32
Mallkin is 33

Clock is ticking. Kreider would give them hella firepower

Pitt also lacks size

Perfect fit and they become top three cup favorites imo


RE: BTW  
Stufftherun : 2/14/2020 6:34 am : link
In comment 14810398 Anakim said:
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Can I just say that I fucking miss Arcarsenal? Where the hell is he? Hope he's okay.


Good point, he’s one of the good one’s. When did he last post?
RE: Pitt seems the best fit  
Jay in Toronto : 2/14/2020 7:33 am : link
In comment 14810924 Vanzetti said:
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Sid and Letang are 32
Mallkin is 33

Clock is ticking. Kreider would give them hella firepower

Pitt also lacks size

Perfect fit and they become top three cup favorites imo



But what can come back from Pitt?

I'm hoping Blues or Avalanche
I think Tatar  
pjcas18 : 2/14/2020 8:39 am : link
would be great for the Islanders and the Canadiens SHOULD be willing to trade him, but as long as they have Price they will not embrace a full blow it up rebuild they'll feel the need to try and build around him.

Price has a November like 2019 and as a fan I feel hopeless with this approach, then Price has a January like 2020 and I think with the right additions it could work. but then Weber goes down for 6 weeks or Gallagher or Drouin get hurt.

Anyway, I think Tatar would flourish in a Trotz system - Domi would too, but both would be good fits for NYI and I doubt MTL trades either.

If I'm Bergevin I trade (or would listen for a fair offer on): Domi, Tatar, Kovalchuk, Petry and more. Very few untouchables on that roster. Nick Suzuki is quickly becoming the best player on the team.
Any team trading  
pjcas18 : 2/14/2020 8:57 am : link
a F should be talking to EDM. No McDavid for a few weeks, and likely to lose Kassian after he kicked Cernak last night.

I would ask for Bouchard back.
RE: I think Tatar  
Metnut : 2/14/2020 8:58 am : link
In comment 14810985 pjcas18 said:
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would be great for the Islanders and the Canadiens SHOULD be willing to trade him, but as long as they have Price they will not embrace a full blow it up rebuild they'll feel the need to try and build around him.

Price has a November like 2019 and as a fan I feel hopeless with this approach, then Price has a January like 2020 and I think with the right additions it could work. but then Weber goes down for 6 weeks or Gallagher or Drouin get hurt.

Anyway, I think Tatar would flourish in a Trotz system - Domi would too, but both would be good fits for NYI and I doubt MTL trades either.

If I'm Bergevin I trade (or would listen for a fair offer on): Domi, Tatar, Kovalchuk, Petry and more. Very few untouchables on that roster. Nick Suzuki is quickly becoming the best player on the team.


Tatar would be great to have on NYI. Reasonable cap hit too. What would a reasonable offer be for him?
RE: RE: I think Tatar  
pjcas18 : 2/14/2020 9:04 am : link
In comment 14811009 Metnut said:
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In comment 14810985 pjcas18 said:


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would be great for the Islanders and the Canadiens SHOULD be willing to trade him, but as long as they have Price they will not embrace a full blow it up rebuild they'll feel the need to try and build around him.

Price has a November like 2019 and as a fan I feel hopeless with this approach, then Price has a January like 2020 and I think with the right additions it could work. but then Weber goes down for 6 weeks or Gallagher or Drouin get hurt.

Anyway, I think Tatar would flourish in a Trotz system - Domi would too, but both would be good fits for NYI and I doubt MTL trades either.

If I'm Bergevin I trade (or would listen for a fair offer on): Domi, Tatar, Kovalchuk, Petry and more. Very few untouchables on that roster. Nick Suzuki is quickly becoming the best player on the team.



Tatar would be great to have on NYI. Reasonable cap hit too. What would a reasonable offer be for him?


Bode Wilde and a 2nd? I assume Wahlstrom is off limits. I like Bellows too.
I'd give up wahlstrom  
KDubbs : 2/14/2020 9:10 am : link
In a Domi trade. I'd explore Saad also with Wahlstrom on the table
Kassian again? Is he the 2nd coming of Wilson?  
ColHowPepper : 2/14/2020 11:48 am : link
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I know this won’t be popular  
Vanzetti : 2/14/2020 1:27 pm : link
But Rangers should tell Hank is the number three goalie and he won’t be starting any games unless there is an injury and that he is going to be bought out this summer

Maybe he waives the NMC

I know that sounds harsh but when you sign a contract where you are going to 39 by the end and taking up 8.5 m in cap space, you should have expected to be bought out from the beginning
Jan Mysak  
pjcas18 : 2/15/2020 5:12 pm : link
video speaks for itself. Other than Lafreniere maybe my favorite player in the draft.

There are many of these in his brief OHL career.

Not saying he'll go higher than Byfield or others, but I hope my team is in a spot to get him.
Link - ( New Window )
RE: Jan Mysak  
Jay in Toronto : 2/15/2020 7:39 pm : link
In comment 14811865 pjcas18 said:
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video speaks for itself. Other than Lafreniere maybe my favorite player in the draft.

There are many of these in his brief OHL career.

Not saying he'll go higher than Byfield or others, but I hope my team is in a spot to get him. Link - ( New Window )


I'd love to see him on a line with Shadrach and Abednego.
Shea Weber  
pjcas18 : 2/17/2020 12:08 pm : link
now back on the ice and maybe will play tomorrow.

Just days after being out for the year and possibly his career.

Weird.

The Islanders just placed Cole Bardeau on waivers  
Mike in Long Beach : 2/17/2020 12:12 pm : link
and haven't called anyone up as of now. I usually try not to read the tea leaves, but that does sure sound like they're trying to keep a roster spot open for some reason.
So far  
pjcas18 : 2/17/2020 12:14 pm : link
two first round picks (TB* and PIT*), a 2nd round pick (NYI - 2021), two 3rd round pick (TOR 2020, TOR 2021) two 4ths (BUF, MTL) and a 5th (OTT - 2021) just in 2020.

Not to mention some good prospects have moved.

Seems like a severe seller's market.

I would trade any non superstar on the verge of a contract if I'm a rebuilding team.

pj, you don't want to refresh this thread  
ColHowPepper : 2/17/2020 8:53 pm : link
to a more recent date....or I guess you want only true believers, acolytes, and devotees, make 'em hunt? (:
RE: pj, you don't want to refresh this thread  
pjcas18 : 2/17/2020 8:57 pm : link
In comment 14812849 ColHowPepper said:
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to a more recent date....or I guess you want only true believers, acolytes, and devotees, make 'em hunt? (:

lol, maybe I'll start a new one tomorrow - or feel free yourself. a lot of hockey fans on here

another trade heightening the value of Kreider, etc.

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Canucks acquired right wing Tyler Toffoli from Los Angeles Kings in exchange for Tim Schaller, Canucks 2020 2nd round pick in the NHL Draft, rights to unsigned draft choice Tyler Madden and a conditional 4th round pick in the 2022 NHL Draft.
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pjcas18 : 2/17/2020 9:02 pm : link
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#bruins have offered a first round pick and a B level prospect for Chris Kreider. #rangers would like to re-sign him but the asking price of 6x6 is too much.
6 by 6 is a bargain for him  
Davisian : 2/17/2020 9:11 pm : link
He'd get 7+ for at least 7 on the open market.

I want Charlie Coyle, one of their top 3 forward prospects and a first from those assholes if they're gonna get Kreider.

RE: 6 by 6 is a bargain for him  
Jay in Toronto : 2/18/2020 6:38 am : link
In comment 14812860 Davisian said:
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He'd get 7+ for at least 7 on the open market.

I want Charlie Coyle, one of their top 3 forward prospects and a first from those assholes if they're gonna get Kreider.


The latest on the draft is that it is elite in the top third or so.

Maybe get an upgrade in prospect as you suggest and first round in 2021?
I'm starting  
pjcas18 : 2/18/2020 8:54 am : link
to read "average draft" many scouts backing off claims of the draft being very deep (as initially thought) as they put together rankings/draft write-ups.

Top of the draft is strong, but from what I read, 15 - 60 sounds pretty interchangeable. Which may be why first/second round picks are moving.

Comparing to 2019, not sure you're getting Kaliyev, Hoglander, Sameul Fagemo or Nick Robertson (for example) in the second this year.

but who knows.
Rangers have to sign him  
Kyle in NY : 2/18/2020 9:19 am : link
if the ask is 6x6
Bruins 1st + mid-level prospect  
ColHowPepper : 2/18/2020 9:21 am : link
That's easy to turn down, almost insulting. I know very little re Toffoli. Where do you think he'd rank value-wise, compared to, say, a Stepan or Brassard (I know, positions not equivalent)
I agree  
Greg from LI : 2/18/2020 9:21 am : link
It's a very reasonable ask, assuming that's an accurate figure.

Here's the thing: when you sign someone like Panarin, you are committing yourself to contending sometime in the next few years. I'm having a hard time seeing how dealing Kreider moves them towards that goal. Figure something else out. Personally, I'd start with trying to deal Trouba.
Toffoli certainly isn't on Stepan's level at the time of the trade  
Greg from LI : 2/18/2020 9:25 am : link
Stepan was an excellent defensive center who was a consistent 50+ point producer.
As a Rangers fan  
Jay in Toronto : 2/18/2020 9:27 am : link
the friggin suspense is killing me!!
RE: I agree  
Jay in Toronto : 2/18/2020 9:29 am : link
In comment 14813035 Greg from LI said:
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It's a very reasonable ask, assuming that's an accurate figure.

Here's the thing: when you sign someone like Panarin, you are committing yourself to contending sometime in the next few years. I'm having a hard time seeing how dealing Kreider moves them towards that goal. Figure something else out. Personally, I'd start with trying to deal Trouba.


And Winnipeg is desperate for Dmen, lol
I'd take  
pjcas18 : 2/18/2020 9:30 am : link
Trouba on my team in a heartbeat - at that contract.

Only, MTL will (hopefully) be sellers not buyers.

maybe in the off-season at the draft before his NMC kicks in.

RE: I'd take  
Jay in Toronto : 2/18/2020 9:35 am : link
In comment 14813050 pjcas18 said:
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Trouba on my team in a heartbeat - at that contract.

Only, MTL will (hopefully) be sellers not buyers.

maybe in the off-season at the draft before his NMC kicks in.


I agree -- the only reason to consider is that the Rangers pipeline is way overbalanced toward Dmen.
I'd try  
pjcas18 : 2/18/2020 9:40 am : link
and trade Skjei more than Trouba.

LD are easier to find, but also I think Trouba is the better player and Skjei contract probably easier to move.

that should allow them to keep Kreider if they want.
RE: I'd try  
jv : 2/18/2020 9:45 am : link
In comment 14813068 pjcas18 said:
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and trade Skjei more than Trouba.

LD are easier to find, but also I think Trouba is the better player and Skjei contract probably easier to move.

that should allow them to keep Kreider if they want.

I agree Skjei is my preference. Rangers have LD in the pipeline. K'Andre Miller probably here next season. Rykov improving as he gets fit in returning from injury. Plenty of praise around Robertson as a prospect.
Trouba is a better player, yes  
Greg from LI : 2/18/2020 9:51 am : link
But neither has been particularly good this year and Trouba has the bigger contract that becomes an NMC next year. It's now or never to move him.
RE: Trouba is a better player, yes  
pjcas18 : 2/18/2020 10:23 am : link
In comment 14813080 Greg from LI said:
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But neither has been particularly good this year and Trouba has the bigger contract that becomes an NMC next year. It's now or never to move him.


his NMC is effective in July (July 1), so I agree if they're going to move him it likely needs to be either deadline or draft.

RE: RE: I'd try  
Anakim : 2/18/2020 11:08 am : link
In comment 14813072 jv said:
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In comment 14813068 pjcas18 said:


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and trade Skjei more than Trouba.

LD are easier to find, but also I think Trouba is the better player and Skjei contract probably easier to move.

that should allow them to keep Kreider if they want.


I agree Skjei is my preference. Rangers have LD in the pipeline. K'Andre Miller probably here next season. Rykov improving as he gets fit in returning from injury. Plenty of praise around Robertson as a prospect.



Tony D also could and according to some should play LD even though he's a righty. Not sure I understand that, but yeah.
We need some asshat scoop  
Anakim : 2/18/2020 11:10 am : link
Where's Seth when you need him?
RE: We need some asshat scoop  
Greg from LI : 2/18/2020 11:20 am : link
In comment 14813171 Anakim said:
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Where's Seth when you need him?


Hunger strike in support of the Wilpons.
I think Jay Bouwmeester  
pjcas18 : 2/18/2020 11:31 am : link
career is likely over. He's fortunate to be alive.

I bet STL would be a destination for a D.
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DanMetroMan : 2/18/2020 2:25 pm : link

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Trade alert: The #Sens have acquired a 2020 third-round draft pick from
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in exchange for defenceman Dylan DeMelo.
Habs dealing...  
JPinstripes : 2/18/2020 4:00 pm : link
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The Canadiens have acquired St. Louis’ second-round pick in the 2020 NHL Draft (and a conditional fourth-round pick in 2021), in exchange for defenseman Marco Scandella.

#GoHabsGo

https://nhl.com/canadiens/news
Canadiens  
pjcas18 : 2/18/2020 4:01 pm : link
pulled off a great move.

Acquired Marco Scandella for a 4th in January, trade him in February for a 2nd.

(to the Blues, who I had pegged as a D destination).

I wouldn't be surprised if they add another D.
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