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NFT: Prediction on Harvey Weinstein

Big Al : 2/13/2020 11:40 am
From what I am hearing, he walks (in private when he discards the unneeded walker). There appears to be problems with this particular case and top flight lawyers will put up reasonable doubt. Hope I am wrong.

Best chance to get him is in future cases in other jurisdictions.
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26.2 : 2/13/2020 11:43 am : link
Have you listened to the Catch and Kill podcast? Or read the book (I have not read the book). He's a scumbag with money.
I would love to see one of his victims remove the tennis balls  
Giants61 : 2/13/2020 11:45 am : link
from his walker
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Big Al : 2/13/2020 11:46 am : link
In comment 14810415 26.2 said:
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Have you listened to the Catch and Kill podcast? Or read the book (I have not read the book). He's a scumbag with money.
Teadong my statement, I have no clue why you asked me that.
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Big Al : 2/13/2020 11:47 am : link
“Reading.”.
He's facing multiple counts.  
81_Great_Dane : 2/13/2020 11:49 am : link
He might be acquitted on some. I can't imagine he's acquitted on all. Can't imagine a jury unanimously concluding he should be acquitted on all charges.

Guessing conviction on some, hung jury on others, maybe not guilty of one.
He should in be jail for life with  
Metnut : 2/13/2020 11:55 am : link
the other rapists. His fortune shouldn't pass to his heirs/family but instead be contributed to abused womans' charities.
Weinstein didn't kill himself...  
x meadowlander : 2/13/2020 12:11 pm : link
:)
RE: He should in be jail for life with  
allstarjim : 2/13/2020 12:17 pm : link
In comment 14810432 Metnut said:
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the other rapists. His fortune shouldn't pass to his heirs/family but instead be contributed to abused womans' charities.


Damn, dude, do you see how authorities seizing all of a person's assets and giving it away might be something that can and will be quickly corrupted and subject to abuse of power?

You have to have some sense of a person's rights...seizing all of their property is grossly oppressive and the kind of thing that you can imagine would happen in totalitarian states.

And yes, I know law enforcement seizes property, but that has to be in direct relationship to the crime (drug money). And civil asset seizure has come under greater scrutiny, as it should.
I'm  
DanMetroMan : 2/13/2020 12:18 pm : link
actually pretty shocked how poorly 2 of the accusers have come off. Namely Jessica Mann and his ex-assistant. He's obviously an absolute piece of human trash but all things considered the case has gone "well" for him in my eyes.
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Mad Mike : 2/13/2020 12:18 pm : link
In comment 14810415 26.2 said:
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Have you listened to the Catch and Kill podcast? Or read the book (I have not read the book). He's a scumbag with money.

I haven't listened to any of the podcast episodes yet, but I read the book, and really recommend it. It's infuriating, but also encouraging. A lot of prominent people come off very badly, most of whom have suffered little to no consequences.

At any rate, I have no idea of the merits of the legal case, so no ability to make a prediction. I certainly hope it's a strong enough case to win a conviction.
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Stu11 : 2/13/2020 12:18 pm : link
In comment 14810415 26.2 said:
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Have you listened to the Catch and Kill podcast? Or read the book (I have not read the book). He's a scumbag with money.

There was a podcast last week "The Daily" by the NY Times reporter Megan Twohey where she interviews Donna Rotunno who is Weinstein's lead attorney in the case. Rotunno has a long history of representing men accused of sexual assault. It is an absolute must listen if you are into the case. Its about 30 minutes and you have to listen to the end because at the very end Twohey remembers she wanted to ask Rotunno if she's ever been a victim of sexual assault. Rottuno then amazingly gives an answer that if you are at all partial towards female victim's rights you will want to reach through your computer or phone and punch her.
I have a feeling..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 2/13/2020 12:29 pm : link
this will be another case where a guy walks, and people will blame the system, but if you listen to some of the testimony, his lawyers have done a fantastic job in casting doubt and some of the accusers have come off looking poorly.

If I'm on a jury, I'd have a difficult time convicting a guy for rape if months or a year later, the accuser is still having sex and proactively contacting the guy.

I'm not so familiar with the case to know if the prosecution possibly could have used a smaller subset of women who are accusing him or if the defense put them up as witnesses.

All I can think of when I see that walker is an old Mob Boss!
RE: I have a feeling..  
Big Al : 2/13/2020 12:32 pm : link
In comment 14810462 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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this will be another case where a guy walks, and people will blame the system, but if you listen to some of the testimony, his lawyers have done a fantastic job in casting doubt and some of the accusers have come off looking poorly.

If I'm on a jury, I'd have a difficult time convicting a guy for rape if months or a year later, the accuser is still having sex and proactively contacting the guy.

I'm not so familiar with the case to know if the prosecution possibly could have used a smaller subset of women who are accusing him or if the defense put them up as witnesses.

All I can think of when I see that walker is an old Mob Boss!
Yep.
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Metnut : 2/13/2020 12:36 pm : link
In comment 14810446 allstarjim said:
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the other rapists. His fortune shouldn't pass to his heirs/family but instead be contributed to abused womans' charities.



Damn, dude, do you see how authorities seizing all of a person's assets and giving it away might be something that can and will be quickly corrupted and subject to abuse of power?

You have to have some sense of a person's rights...seizing all of their property is grossly oppressive and the kind of thing that you can imagine would happen in totalitarian states.

And yes, I know law enforcement seizes property, but that has to be in direct relationship to the crime (drug money). And civil asset seizure has come under greater scrutiny, as it should.


Hopefully the same ends can be accomplished by a string of multi-million dollar lawsuits put forth by his victims and clawbacks of any transfers/gifts of his assets he tries to give to others in anticipation of such litigation.
Does that walker  
Big Al : 2/13/2020 12:38 pm : link
crap actually work on persuading jurors? I guess there are a lot of stupid people among his ”peers”
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allstarjim : 2/13/2020 12:49 pm : link
In comment 14810473 Metnut said:
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In comment 14810432 Metnut said:


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the other rapists. His fortune shouldn't pass to his heirs/family but instead be contributed to abused womans' charities.



Damn, dude, do you see how authorities seizing all of a person's assets and giving it away might be something that can and will be quickly corrupted and subject to abuse of power?

You have to have some sense of a person's rights...seizing all of their property is grossly oppressive and the kind of thing that you can imagine would happen in totalitarian states.

And yes, I know law enforcement seizes property, but that has to be in direct relationship to the crime (drug money). And civil asset seizure has come under greater scrutiny, as it should.



Hopefully the same ends can be accomplished by a string of multi-million dollar lawsuits put forth by his victims and clawbacks of any transfers/gifts of his assets he tries to give to others in anticipation of such litigation.


Yes, civil lawsuits/penalties is the remedy here.
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GiantEgo : 2/13/2020 12:50 pm : link
I'm surprised he hasn't gone for the oxygen as well, he could go full Jr Soprano.
Somebody should push him down a flight of stairs  
732NYG : 2/13/2020 1:05 pm : link
so he can stop faking with the walker and actually need one.
I have no doubt that he raped  
section125 : 2/13/2020 1:17 pm : link
many young women. I also have no doubt some of his accusers are full of shit and looking for the civil suit. The one last week that told her BFF that he gave her the best orgasms is quite suspect especially since she kept with him.

I feel bad for the women he did coerce/rape in that he could get off because of bad witnesses being exposed on cross examination casting doubt.

In the end, I think he gets convicted.

I also wonder how many producers and directors are quaking in there boots because Weinstein isn't the only POS out there in the valley of hypocrites.
RE: Weinstein didn't kill himself...  
Sec 103 : 2/13/2020 1:18 pm : link
In comment 14810440 x meadowlander said:
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:)

Yet....
RE: I have no doubt that he raped  
Dankbeerman : 2/13/2020 1:26 pm : link
In comment 14810527 section125 said:
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I also wonder how many producers and directors are quaking in there boots because Weinstein isn't the only POS out there in the valley of hypocrites.


Thats the thing hear its not just his wealth that he can lean on, there is a whole bunch of rich scumbags that would benifit from having this case fall apart.
He’s connected to too many power elites  
flycatcher : 2/13/2020 1:42 pm : link
to be convicted. Our laws don’t apply to them.
fly  
XBRONX : 2/13/2020 1:49 pm : link
You are right, they killed Epstein.
He wait a few years  
oghwga : 2/13/2020 2:45 pm : link
Then run for president
It was a big mistake  
Vanzetti : 2/13/2020 3:06 pm : link
Bringing a case where the woman continued to date him for four years after the alleged assault. Also, many people are moved by tears but to me it’s sets off my BS detector

I don’t think anybody really doubts he is a total scumbag. Even the fact that he saved all these texts shows me he knew he did bad stuff and was trying to preserve exculpatory evidence

But still the prosecutors seem to have made bad choices
RE: He’s connected to too many power elites  
FStubbs : 2/13/2020 4:36 pm : link
In comment 14810550 flycatcher said:
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to be convicted. Our laws don’t apply to them.


So were Bill Cosby and R. Kelly but they were convicted.
Can I play the old tired race card  
xman : 2/13/2020 4:48 pm : link
in those cases???
What power elite  
XBRONX : 2/13/2020 5:08 pm : link
is Bill Cosby connected to? Oh yeah, Fat Albert.
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Mad Mike : 2/13/2020 5:18 pm : link
In comment 14810705 FStubbs said:
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So were Bill Cosby and R. Kelly but they were convicted.

R Kelly hasn't even been tried yet, let alone convicted. (Well except for that one time he was tried 10+ years ago... and acquitted).

I don't really think either he or Cosby has any relevance to Weinstein, just pointing out the facts.
He'll probably  
charlito : 2/13/2020 9:13 pm : link
Serve the same amount of time as Brock Turner when it's all said and done.
Jurors told the judge this afternoon that they'd reached a decision  
Mad Mike : 2/21/2020 3:27 pm : link
on 3 of the charges, but were deadlocked on the most serious 2 charges. While I'm not an attorney, I don't see how those 2 more serious charges (predatory sexual assault, linking the assaults he's being charged with and the assault of Anabella Sciorra, which he's not directly charged with) could still be under deliberation if he was being acquitted of the 3 direct assault charges, so I'd think they've reached a decision of guilty on at least one of the charges.
lonk - ( New Window )
A co-worker was saying this case is interesting  
Matt M. : 2/21/2020 4:33 pm : link
because it was tried in such a way that the verdict is riding on the believability of all the victims collectively. In other words, if one isn't credible the whole case is shot. Is that so?
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