He didn't hold back I think it's a great read...This I just a little bit of what he said
Speaking of Manning, Tollefson also expressed his displeasure about how the former regime wasted the two-time Super Bowl MVP’s prime years following Super Bowl XLVI. Tollefson feels the roster they surrounded the quarterback with from 2013-2019 was inexcusable and hurt Manning’s legacy.
https://giantswire.usatoday.com/2020/02/14/former-new-york-giants-dave-tollefson-not-fan-jerry-reese-marc-ross/
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So I would say Reese made the right call. Linval was his big mistake
He also lost Steve Smith, Cruz Nicks and Wilson to career injuries. Ditto for Snee and Baas
That had a lot more to do with it than not resigning Jacobs, Tuck, Tolly etc
But the real mistake wasFlowers. Jerry might still be here if he had not stubbornly kept flowers at LT
Kind of funny that he's mad at the guy that kept him in the league for 5 of his 6 years. Ten sacks in five years playing alongside the DL guys on those teams isn't much to get excited about. Maybe he thinks Reese should have used the money he got to sign OL depth. :)
Dave was a solid a bench piece and a good dude. He played an important part.
Where the hell is Frank Ferrara when you need him, right?
perfectly stated but to further slam the point home There are more than 20 former members of the New York Giants currently playing in the XFL. lol
Hard to argue that. Damn freaking shame too.
What an unbelievable waste of time and talent.
What an unbelievable waste of time and talent.
+1
I hear Jerry's phone won't stop ringing.
What an unbelievable waste of time and talent.
I drank the Kool-Aid for a long time.
Maybe that's why now I have no patience with Gettleman.
Fool me once...
Where the hell is Frank Ferrara when you need him, right?
Wrong. That's not what Tollefson said. Not even close.
So I would say Reese made the right call. Linval was his big mistake
He also lost Steve Smith, Cruz Nicks and Wilson to career injuries. Ditto for Snee and Baas
That had a lot more to do with it than not resigning Jacobs, Tuck, Tolly etc
But the real mistake wasFlowers. Jerry might still be here if he had not stubbornly kept flowers at LT
Posted this numerous times.
Wilson over Corey Glenn or Bobby Wagner. Sintim over Max Unger. The lost is a hell of a lot longer than people realize. Reese sealed his
Fate keeping hiring then keeping Ross.
And just as bad was OBJ over Donald or Martin. He loved playmakers at the risk of all else. His early success and being willing to let the Mara’s meddle constantly didn’t help.
Joseph walking cost them even more than many realize. Had to over pay Snacks and then drafted that stuff from Cuse. The fact that morons here still want to give him so much credit for the early years as a GM amazes
Me. He was a great scout. He was handed the team and destroyed it from within. So yeah. Thanks for your earlier work but if he gets hired again that team deserves to suck for as long as Cleveland
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Some of us wanted Reese and Ross gone way back in 2012. But he lasted another half-dozen seasons thanks to John Mara.
What an unbelievable waste of time and talent.
I drank the Kool-Aid for a long time.
Maybe that's why now I have no patience with Gettleman.
Fool me once...
He got me after that 2007 draft, and the subsequent championship clouded my head for years.
There is so much revisionism when it comes to him.
After he was fired he had the audacity to go on TV and criticize the lack of talent on the team taking absolutely no responsibility for the state of the franchise. This just shows his complete lack of awareness and credibility.
It's no surprise that he hasn't gotten another job in the NFL.
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ingredient in prolonging that championship run.
Where the hell is Frank Ferrara when you need him, right?
Wrong. That's not what Tollefson said. Not even close.
Not even close? Not the only missing ingredient obviously, but...
Apparently giving ole Dave a roster spot wasn't enough, he wanted a respectable offer.
Reese built the teams that won two championships, then for whatever reason, Mark Ross, the game changed and he didn't follow along with it, he couldn't find a coach worth half a shit - he wasn't getting it done anymore. Injuries certainly didn't help, but it was much more than that.
Of course, since Reese has gone, they haven't exactly been tearing it up.
There is so much revisionism when it comes to him.
What's the revisionist history? He was a good young player at the position, was allowed to walk, took a nice contract in Minnesota, and (eventually) played to the level of that contract and got an even bigger extension?
His numbers were good with the Giants and Minnesota rightfully saw even bigger things down the road and Reese didn't.
After he was fired he had the audacity to go on TV and criticize the lack of talent on the team taking absolutely no responsibility for the state of the franchise. This just shows his complete lack of awareness and credibility.
It's no surprise that he hasn't gotten another job in the NFL.
Comparing Marc and Jerry is like which stain in the toilet is worse. As terrible as Marc was, he has at least crawled out of the hole he has been hiding in and has even interview for GM positions. Jerry on the other hand isn't even black enough to get a sham Rooney Rule interview. Neither will ever work in the league again.
There is so much revisionism when it comes to him.
He was a very solid go above average starter. He was given a front loaded reasonable contract that Reese didn’t even try to over come. That he blossomed made it worse. The guarantee on That contract wasn’t much. I’d suggest Wilson over Glenn May be worse due to the horrific OL drafting but Reese and Ross together were about as bad as it gets. And Joseph earned a solid offer and he let him walk for Jay Fucking Bromley to get snaps if I recall now his name.
We will have to agree to disagree but it in a nutshell it shows how Reese’s special talent for letting one earlier mistake create 10 more was his true super power.
What an unbelievable waste of time and talent.
Yes!
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Or even in his first season in Minnesota, when he was considered a bust of a signing by Viking fans. He didn't blossom until his second season in Minnesota.
There is so much revisionism when it comes to him.
He was a very solid go above average starter. He was given a front loaded reasonable contract that Reese didn’t even try to over come. That he blossomed made it worse. The guarantee on That contract wasn’t much. I’d suggest Wilson over Glenn May be worse due to the horrific OL drafting but Reese and Ross together were about as bad as it gets. And Joseph earned a solid offer and he let him walk for Jay Fucking Bromley to get snaps if I recall now his name.
We will have to agree to disagree but it in a nutshell it shows how Reese’s special talent for letting one earlier mistake create 10 more was his true super power.
HAHA!! The super power line had me rolling.
Yes.
Case fucking closed.
So I would say Reese made the right call. Linval was his big mistake
He also lost Steve Smith, Cruz Nicks and Wilson to career injuries. Ditto for Snee and Baas
That had a lot more to do with it than not resigning Jacobs, Tuck, Tolly etc
But the real mistake wasFlowers. Jerry might still be here if he had not stubbornly kept flowers at LT
It was more than Flowers.. you blow 5 straight drafts, you have to go.. people need to get off Reese's dick... Ross really sank him
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This is a guy what helped destroy this franchise the day he arrived. The Giants were among the league's worst drafting teams with him as the head of college scouting.
After he was fired he had the audacity to go on TV and criticize the lack of talent on the team taking absolutely no responsibility for the state of the franchise. This just shows his complete lack of awareness and credibility.
It's no surprise that he hasn't gotten another job in the NFL.
Comparing Marc and Jerry is like which stain in the toilet is worse. As terrible as Marc was, he has at least crawled out of the hole he has been hiding in and has even interview for GM positions. Jerry on the other hand isn't even black enough to get a sham Rooney Rule interview. Neither will ever work in the league again.
Didn't Reese turn down an interview request with the Raiders?
I guess maybe better he stays away than what Coughlin did to Jacksonville in his second time around. They couldn't fire him (and only him) fast enough.
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Dave played one season as a backup for Oakland at age 30 and never played another game
So I would say Reese made the right call. Linval was his big mistake
He also lost Steve Smith, Cruz Nicks and Wilson to career injuries. Ditto for Snee and Baas
That had a lot more to do with it than not resigning Jacobs, Tuck, Tolly etc
But the real mistake wasFlowers. Jerry might still be here if he had not stubbornly kept flowers at LT
Posted this numerous times.
Wilson over Corey Glenn or Bobby Wagner. Sintim over Max Unger. The lost is a hell of a lot longer than people realize. Reese sealed his
Fate keeping hiring then keeping Ross.
And just as bad was OBJ over Donald or Martin. He loved playmakers at the risk of all else. His early success and being willing to let the Mara’s meddle constantly didn’t help.
Joseph walking cost them even more than many realize. Had to over pay Snacks and then drafted that stuff from Cuse. The fact that morons here still want to give him so much credit for the early years as a GM amazes
Me. He was a great scout. He was handed the team and destroyed it from within. So yeah. Thanks for your earlier work but if he gets hired again that team deserves to suck for as long as Cleveland
The OBJ pick was not a mistake. If we’d passed on him he would’ve gone to Dallas, and with the roster they’ve had since then, the Cowboys would’ve won a super bowl with OBJ. And even if not, the idea of that much talent and that much asshole playing for that team would’ve been too much to bear..
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This is a guy what helped destroy this franchise the day he arrived. The Giants were among the league's worst drafting teams with him as the head of college scouting.
After he was fired he had the audacity to go on TV and criticize the lack of talent on the team taking absolutely no responsibility for the state of the franchise. This just shows his complete lack of awareness and credibility.
It's no surprise that he hasn't gotten another job in the NFL.
Comparing Marc and Jerry is like which stain in the toilet is worse. As terrible as Marc was, he has at least crawled out of the hole he has been hiding in and has even interview for GM positions. Jerry on the other hand isn't even black enough to get a sham Rooney Rule interview. Neither will ever work in the league again.
Didn't Reese turn down an interview request with the Raiders?
I guess maybe better he stays away than what Coughlin did to Jacksonville in his second time around. They couldn't fire him (and only him) fast enough.
To be fair, I had to google the Raiders declined interview. He was fired in Dec 2017 and declined the interview with the Raiders in Dec 2018.
At least Reese got that correct.
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Dave played one season as a backup for Oakland at age 30 and never played another game
So I would say Reese made the right call. Linval was his big mistake
He also lost Steve Smith, Cruz Nicks and Wilson to career injuries. Ditto for Snee and Baas
That had a lot more to do with it than not resigning Jacobs, Tuck, Tolly etc
But the real mistake wasFlowers. Jerry might still be here if he had not stubbornly kept flowers at LT
Posted this numerous times.
Wilson over Corey Glenn or Bobby Wagner. Sintim over Max Unger. The lost is a hell of a lot longer than people realize. Reese sealed his
Fate keeping hiring then keeping Ross.
And just as bad was OBJ over Donald or Martin. He loved playmakers at the risk of all else. His early success and being willing to let the Mara’s meddle constantly didn’t help.
Joseph walking cost them even more than many realize. Had to over pay Snacks and then drafted that stuff from Cuse. The fact that morons here still want to give him so much credit for the early years as a GM amazes
Me. He was a great scout. He was handed the team and destroyed it from within. So yeah. Thanks for your earlier work but if he gets hired again that team deserves to suck for as long as Cleveland
The OBJ pick was not a mistake. If we’d passed on him he would’ve gone to Dallas, and with the roster they’ve had since then, the Cowboys would’ve won a super bowl with OBJ. And even if not, the idea of that much talent and that much asshole playing for that team would’ve been too much to bear..
Beckham in Dallas wouldn't have won them the big game, because they wouldn't have had Martin to solidify their offensive line.
Who could predict spinal stenosis for a 20-year old?
Who could predict spinal stenosis for a 20-year old?
We didn't need Wilson at that time...
Anyone can argue those picks would have been better spent elsewhere than DT if Joseph was re-signed.
Fixed.
He should never have lasted as long as he did.
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The guy was explosive every time he touched the ball. You don’t find that anywhere.
Who could predict spinal stenosis for a 20-year old?
We didn't need Wilson at that time...
Is that true? I thought everyone had us taking and needing a RB in that draft. Although I think they wanted us to pick up Martin.