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By the way, assuming the Giants use the "non-exclusive" tag, Williams could solicit offers from other teams. The Giants would have the right to match. But more importantly, if they don't, they'd get two first-round picks in return -- which would turn this trade into a huge win for them. Obviously that's unlikely to happen. |
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I think he thinks he is worth 15 mil but he will find that he is not so rather then a nasty holdout. When some team offered 12-13 we cZn match and we are not the bad guys.
Leonard is clearly worth more than 2 first round picks.
The assumption is that DG wants to extend LW. We just don't want to overpay based on an inflated market value that LW thinks he is worth and DG saving face for the trade. Having LW able to negotiate with other teams allows for his true market value to be determined without the hindrance of draft capital being forfeited in the event we do not match. We want other teams to do our negotiating for us.
In other words, the player’s salary can’t go backwards.
Since the FT for DTs is projected to be $15M+, LW would get that or his last salary + 120%.
So 120% of $14M+ - LW’s last comp - is $17M. Since that’s greater than the projected $15M FT, that would be his FT amount.
Welcome, again, to the perils of an awful trade...
Leonard is clearly worth more than 2 first round picks.
If he is worth 2 first rd picks he is worth max money
Which he is not.
Trans tag should carry a 12-13 mil number with the chance to match.
So it appears that bw is correct when he says trans tag for LW is 1.2 x 14.2 = 17M, not the 12-13M number people get when they just look up a number for the position.
Leonard is clearly worth more than 2 first round picks.
No he is not, and no team would offer him a contract knowing they would lose picks. The problem with this strategy is you’re committing to paying LW over $17M, which is more than he is worth.
Leonard is clearly worth more than 2 first round picks.
Who is this "clear" to?
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Leonard is clearly worth more than 2 first round picks.
Who is this "clear" to?
He’s being fucking facetious
I truly hope Williams isn't the prize of UFA or main focus of Gettleman, and certainly wouldn't want signing Williams to financially be a blocker a of better player.
He would certainly prefer to come to a long multi year term deal with some team that will get him 40 mil or so guaranteed.
Du'oh.
When are we going to create another thread about us trading for a lower third round pick again so that we can give that to the Jets rather than our third?
When are we going to create another thread about us trading for a lower third round pick again so that we can give that to the Jets rather than our third?
Nothing is being justified here. We’re ONLY discussing tag possibilities
By franchising him, you get to see him in a new system but also are able to not resign him after next year and hopefully get a 3rd round comp pick when he signs elsewhere then. Or they get lucky and some team wants to trade for him now and is willing to surrender picks.
They have enough cap room this year to do it. That shouldn’t be an issue. And when he leaves after next year there will be zero cap hit.
Leonard is clearly worth more than 2 first round picks.
February 2020
I agree, it was an odd trade for sure. I kind of expected to see a deal done before the end of the season and it would be like oh yeah we made that trade to keep the cost low. But here we are, weeks from free agency and they are either going to overpay with a franchise tag, or let him walk and waste draft picks. I have supported DG so far, but this has the makings of a head scratcher.
I agree. But I’m not getting how you suggest in a prior post LW is a “plus” player? Where?
I could link the relevant stat page but we've regurgitated this debate for weeks and it won't change. He isn't 'elite' but he is definitely above average or 'plus' and certainly in the top 10 among 3-4 DE's.
As has often been suggested that isn't a $15M player. I won't be at all surprised if he signs a long term deal with an AAV of better than $11m.
I'd say this. I would go into free agency to sign impact players in their prime at positions of need. That's what our roster, especially our defense, lacks. So attack the Tier 1 free agents first. We can certainly afford to operate in that market this time around with our available cap space.
For me that group would include DL Chris Jones, Edge Shaq Barrett or Matt Judon, S Justin Simmons or Anthony Harris, LB Cory Littleton, OT Anthony Castonzo(I keep hearing he may retire blah, blah, blah but he would have done it by now and he's better than Conklin).
Once the dust has settled on the top players I'd look to the next tier and that includes LW.
How does that effect our Draft day approach? At DL for example if we don't come away with a DL to round out our group then Derrick Brown comes into play without a doubt. A group of Lawrence, Tomlinson, Hill, McIntosh and Slayton isn't close to good enough.
That's the way free agency creates that domino effect. If you can't fill the obvious holes in your roster it elevates the pressure to address that position in the Draft.
LW got no sacks where the QB moved away from pressure and into his arms. Got no cheap sacks.
I'd say this. I would go into free agency to sign impact players in their prime at positions of need. That's what our roster, especially our defense, lacks. So attack the Tier 1 free agents first. We can certainly afford to operate in that market this time around with our available cap space.
For me that group would include DL Chris Jones, Edge Shaq Barrett or Matt Judon, S Justin Simmons or Anthony Harris, LB Cory Littleton, OT Anthony Castonzo(I keep hearing he may retire blah, blah, blah but he would have done it by now and he's better than Conklin).
Once the dust has settled on the top players I'd look to the next tier and that includes LW.
How does that effect our Draft day approach? At DL for example if we don't come away with a DL to round out our group then Derrick Brown comes into play without a doubt. A group of Lawrence, Tomlinson, Hill, McIntosh and Slayton isn't close to good enough.
That's the way free agency creates that domino effect. If you can't fill the obvious holes in your roster it elevates the pressure to address that position in the Draft.
Good post Torrag
The rules for the tags are the same. for the franchise tag its the average of the top 5 players or a 20% increase in salary whichever is higher. for the transition tag its the average of the top 10 players or a 20% increase in salary whichever is higher.
He was paid $14,200,000 last year so not matter which tag you use its going to be at the $17m number. I dont think we are tagging him. You can't tag a guy and pay him less than he was making, thats not how it works. He played on the 5th year option which is all salary which was $14,200,000. He's not taking less than that unless its a long term deal.
Is it?
Because DG also either doesn't know how compensatory picks work, or he's a bold-faced liar who thinks fans and media are dumb enough to not understand the actual truth. It's probably the latter, but would you assign that a 100% likelihood? And if there's a chance that he doesn't understand comp picks, isn't there also a possibility that he was not considering the 120% rule?
Typically, it's invoked for a player's second consecutive tag, not one coming off a 5th year option, so this is a fairly rare scenario - I don't think it's completely unrealistic that given the time constraints of a deadline deal, that DG and KA didn't consider the tag element since it would take a very specific set of circumstances for this particular scenario to play out.
The rules for the tags are the same. for the franchise tag its the average of the top 5 players or a 20% increase in salary whichever is higher. for the transition tag its the average of the top 10 players or a 20% increase in salary whichever is higher.
He was paid $14,200,000 last year so not matter which tag you use its going to be at the $17m number. I dont think we are tagging him. You can't tag a guy and pay him less than he was making, thats not how it works. He played on the 5th year option which is all salary which was $14,200,000. He's not taking less than that unless its a long term deal.
It’s amazing this basic point keeps getting missed by the press.