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NGT: NFL owners float new marijuana policy

Giantsfan79 : 2/15/2020 3:16 pm
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Currently, the window for the NFLís annual marijuana testing opens on April 20 (yep, 4/20) and lasts until early August. Which means that players who hope to stay on the right side of the program need to get clean roughly a month before 4/20 and stay clean until theyíre tested, with the test coming as late as August.

The new CBA, if accepted by the players, would reduce the duration of the testing window dramatically. Per multiple sources, the window for annual testing would be open for only two weeks.

This reduces significantly the amount of time each year that players would have to refrain from using marijuana, if they arenít already in the program (and thus subject to enhanced testing).

As one source explained it, a new CBA also would include dramatically reduced penalties, with suspensions happening only in the event of extreme and repeated disregard of the policy or significant violations of applicable law regarding the possession and use of marijuana.

So while it wonít be legalized within the NFLís internal judicial system, it will be largely decriminalized ó and the effort to catch violators will be dramatically curtailed.


I'm sure Jerry Jones is hoping the players union accepts.
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just fucking allow it  
ron mexico : 2/15/2020 3:21 pm : link
you want these guys taking opioid based pain pills?
This seems beyond asinine  
bhill410 : 2/15/2020 3:27 pm : link
Outside of the obvious statement that there is 0 reason to have a marijuana test, but if you are that concerned why have something that is so obviously worthless. Just do away with it.
Until it's legal federaly  
MBavaro : 2/15/2020 3:41 pm : link
they can't just "allow it". This is their way of allowing it without "allowing it"
I just realized using allow so many  
MBavaro : 2/15/2020 3:42 pm : link
times makes that read really weird.

You know what I'm getting at.
There is a difference between allowing it  
ron mexico : 2/15/2020 3:49 pm : link
And not testing for it.

I worked for one of the biggest companies in the world and didnít get tested. There is no mandate to test.
RE: Until it's legal federaly  
Ben in Tampa : 2/15/2020 3:52 pm : link
In comment 14811815 MBavaro said:
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they can't just "allow it". This is their way of allowing it without "allowing it"


Thatís just absolutely not true.
don't allow it  
mdc1 : 2/15/2020 3:58 pm : link
just provision shorter professional careers, plenty of talent below that can step in without creating a geriatric league of drug addicts, worse found high on turnpike after game or elsewhere. Wonder how many here want their kids or themselves being driven around by idiots high on pot. Amazing how science one day can claim it harmful to your brain then accept it mainly due to $$$.



They  
pjcas18 : 2/15/2020 4:12 pm : link
should approve this, but use it as a CBA extension condition. No one wants a work stoppage and this is important to the players. Change the rule but only do so with a quid pro quo, don't get nothing back for it.

And weed should be federally legal recreationally.
Why have a policy at that point?  
Mad Mike : 2/15/2020 4:19 pm : link
Either scrap it and allow the players to use marijuana, or do real testing. A 2 week window just seems stupid.
RE: just fucking allow it  
DannyBoy : 2/15/2020 4:31 pm : link
In comment 14811806 ron mexico said:
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you want these guys taking opioid based pain pills?


It is absolutely sick they push pain killers that literally kill people, not to mention addictive. They WERE pushing that and probably still are, but players found out real quick, the medical benefits.

A two week window is like saying "Look, it's legal, but for 2 weeks let us save face for the board." or some shit like that.

If I were a player, I'd do a class action suite or something like that against the NFL. You don't have to even win it, you just put it all on the line and you force their hand.
RE: don't allow it  
MM_in_NYC : 2/15/2020 5:02 pm : link
In comment 14811827 mdc1 said:
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just provision shorter professional careers, plenty of talent below that can step in without creating a geriatric league of drug addicts, worse found high on turnpike after game or elsewhere. Wonder how many here want their kids or themselves being driven around by idiots high on pot. Amazing how science one day can claim it harmful to your brain then accept it mainly due to $$$.


this is a super interesting opinion, i'd love to hear more
I don't know  
Gman11 : 2/15/2020 5:14 pm : link
you pay some guy $10 million a year and what if you find out he's dropping passes because he got high before the game?
RE: I don't know  
pjcas18 : 2/15/2020 5:15 pm : link
In comment 14811866 Gman11 said:
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you pay some guy $10 million a year and what if you find out he's dropping passes because he got high before the game?


What if he was drunk?

I don't think this testing policy would mean players can get high before playing and more than the current alcohol policy means they can be drunk and play.
RE: don't allow it  
Metnut : 2/15/2020 5:16 pm : link
In comment 14811827 mdc1 said:
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just provision shorter professional careers, plenty of talent below that can step in without creating a geriatric league of drug addicts, worse found high on turnpike after game or elsewhere. Wonder how many here want their kids or themselves being driven around by idiots high on pot. Amazing how science one day can claim it harmful to your brain then accept it mainly due to $$$.




You seem really stressed. I have just the remedy to help you chill out. Itís herbal.
Does CBD create a positive test?  
montanagiant : 2/15/2020 5:16 pm : link
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RE: I don't know  
Mad Mike : 2/15/2020 5:25 pm : link
In comment 14811866 Gman11 said:
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you pay some guy $10 million a year and what if you find out he's dropping passes because he got high before the game?

Yeah, all of us who don't get drug tested at work routinely show up high with no consequences.
It's a stupid policy  
Sneakers O'toole : 2/15/2020 5:31 pm : link
It's long overdue to end.
The league may be willing to drop it completely  
Sneakers O'toole : 2/15/2020 5:34 pm : link
But will try lecerage it in the CBA talks. Maybe as part of a 17 game schedule deal.
Leverage  
Sneakers O'toole : 2/15/2020 5:35 pm : link
I can't text.
RE: Until it's legal federaly  
Chris in Philly : 2/15/2020 5:46 pm : link
In comment 14811815 MBavaro said:
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they can't just "allow it". This is their way of allowing it without "allowing it"


Of course they can allow it. They donít need to test for it.
Guys, come on.  
robbieballs2003 : 2/15/2020 6:05 pm : link
I have said this for years. The NFL owners don't give a shit about it. This is just a negotiating tactic to get something else they want.
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ron mexico : 2/15/2020 7:32 pm : link
In comment 14811873 Mad Mike said:
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you pay some guy $10 million a year and what if you find out he's dropping passes because he got high before the game?


Yeah, all of us who don't get drug tested at work routinely show up high with no consequences.


If a player drops passes he will get cut.

It doesnít really matter why.

Does the NBA have a problem with guys not performing due to pot?
Theyíre gonna be ok with gas masks?  
The_Boss : 2/15/2020 7:53 pm : link
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i think they need to just allow it.  
markky : 2/16/2020 8:12 am : link
it's legal in states that players live in and play games in (Mass., CA, CO). time to just allow it. but i agree with the idea that it should be leveraged in contract discussions.

not to miller the thread, but i hope we never go to a 17 game schedule. injuries already play too large a role in determining the best team. i'd rather go back to 14 games than go to 17 games.
RE: don't allow it  
flycatcher : 2/16/2020 8:57 am : link
In comment 14811827 mdc1 said:
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just provision shorter professional careers, plenty of talent below that can step in without creating a geriatric league of drug addicts, worse found high on turnpike after game or elsewhere. Wonder how many here want their kids or themselves being driven around by idiots high on pot. Amazing how science one day can claim it harmful to your brain then accept it mainly due to $$$.



Too much common sense in this post.
It is kind of stupid to have a known  
section125 : 2/16/2020 9:48 am : link
test period. Why bother? Just take testing off the table. Players gonna do what players gonna do. So why potentially hurt your season by testing for something that the owners are basically allowing any way and then suspending a player for what is basically a wink and nod banned substance?
RE: It is kind of stupid to have a known  
robbieballs2003 : 2/16/2020 10:22 am : link
In comment 14812013 section125 said:
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test period. Why bother? Just take testing off the table. Players gonna do what players gonna do. So why potentially hurt your season by testing for something that the owners are basically allowing any way and then suspending a player for what is basically a wink and nod banned substance?


Read my post about above.
How does this work in the NBA?  
trueblueinpw : 2/16/2020 2:19 pm : link
Afaik, they donít test for weed in the NBA and itís not causing much of a problem there. I think itís correct to say this is just some stupid leverage in an already unbalanced CBA. If I were an NFL player Iíd look at the next CBA as an opportunity to establish new leadership which isnít rubbing the staff and balls of ownership.
yes, good idea. so long as they still allow for discipline  
MM_in_NYC : 2/16/2020 7:07 pm : link
for being caught on job while intoxicated. employers shouldn't be involved in personal lives of their employees
I don't want to be political but  
mrvax : 2/16/2020 10:08 pm : link
shouldn't Congress pass a bill to make it as legal as alcohol? Are there so many old folks still in Congress that view pot as a dangerous Schedule 1 drug?
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Producer : 2/17/2020 11:29 am : link
In comment 14812316 mrvax said:
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shouldn't Congress pass a bill to make it as legal as alcohol? Are there so many old folks still in Congress that view pot as a dangerous Schedule 1 drug?


Since the Senate and even the House to some extent, are severely over-represented by rural and conservative states yes there are too many who have antiquated views of the 420.
Way too many...  
Chris in Philly : 2/17/2020 12:56 pm : link
powerful lobbying groups to see federal legalization in the near future.
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ron mexico : 2/17/2020 3:53 pm : link
In comment 14812493 Producer said:
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In comment 14812316 mrvax said:


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shouldn't Congress pass a bill to make it as legal as alcohol? Are there so many old folks still in Congress that view pot as a dangerous Schedule 1 drug?



Since the Senate and even the House to some extent, are severely over-represented by rural and conservative states yes there are too many who have antiquated views of the 420.


Wouldn’t some of those rural states like to grow it?
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Producer : 2/17/2020 4:07 pm : link
In comment 14812720 ron mexico said:
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In comment 14812316 mrvax said:


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shouldn't Congress pass a bill to make it as legal as alcohol? Are there so many old folks still in Congress that view pot as a dangerous Schedule 1 drug?



Since the Senate and even the House to some extent, are severely over-represented by rural and conservative states yes there are too many who have antiquated views of the 420.



Wouldn’t some of those rural states like to grow it?


for sure, i would think the farmers would be all in. But most if not all of these rural states don't even have legalized medical. they're pretty far away from embracing it.
Dumbest thing in the damn world  
montanagiant : 2/17/2020 11:42 pm : link
That this is not legal across the country...Just idiotic.
This topic overall is so embarassing  
Knineteen : 2/18/2020 11:54 am : link
for our country. I personally don't care what happens with it but to simply stop following the law isn't the way to do it. And then this asinine idea to expunge or drop all outstanding criminal cases?! Absurd.
RE: This topic overall is so embarassing  
Zeke's Alibi : 2/18/2020 12:06 pm : link
In comment 14813227 Knineteen said:
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for our country. I personally don't care what happens with it but to simply stop following the law isn't the way to do it. And then this asinine idea to expunge or drop all outstanding criminal cases?! Absurd.


Honestly, our drug policy has created so many more problems. If drugs were legal at least people would be able to get clean drugs. People that want to do drugs are going to do drugs. But we are essentially poisoning a ton of people because we like to lord some sense of morality over other's decisions. Portugal's policy is really the way to go. But instead we have fentanal, shitty poisonous cocaine, and meth because hey you can make it with a bunch of dangerous chemicals.

I've noticed a lot of people love to preach about drugs that really don't understand the root causes of why people take them. One is to party, no problem there. The other is because their lives are miserable so they turn to drugs to escape. People love blaming shit on others or circumstances, so the drugs are an easy scapegoat.

What we should be really looking at is fixing these people's lives before they turn to drugs to escape, and building a society where people don't need to escape constantly. There are just too many people in this country with no hope and don't have a chance, and is only going to get worse with automation and as technology eliminates jobs. Fixing education would be a start so more people are fit for the high skilled future we are living.
I'm all for medical science helping these people  
Knineteen : 2/19/2020 11:40 pm : link
but until such time, what else are you suppose to do with drug addicts? I don't need druggies hanging around my town and driving on my streets under the guise of 'humanity'.

Blame medical science and research for being behind with the times.
I think the only reason the NFL tests for it  
PaulBlakeTSU : 2/20/2020 8:07 pm : link
is so that they can get something in return from the players association in order to stop testing for it. It's leverage.
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