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Again meaningless, the latest NJ.com mock with Skins trade

Big Blue '56 : 2/17/2020 8:01 am
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Hereís our latest first-round projection:

1. Bengals: Joe Burrow, QB, LSU

Itís hard to buy into the Eli Manning-like rumors surrounding Burrow in recent weeks. Itís not like the Chargers and Dolphins have been significantly more successful than the Bengals over the last decade. If the Colts, Patriots or Titans want to make the deal of all deals, then sure, that makes sense. Otherwise, Burrow should just go with the flow.

TRADE: The Redskins send the 2nd overall pick to the Dolphins for the 5th overall, 18th overall and 56th overall (2nd Rd.) picks.

2. Dolphins (via WAS): Tua Tagovailoa, QB, Alabama

With Burrow off the board, the Dolphins make sure they can land their guy, Tagovailoa, with the second overall pick. Armed with three first-round picks, Miami sacrifices one selection to get its franchise quarterback. The Redskins now have two first-round picks, which takes the sting off not getting Ohio State pass rusher Chase Young. Tagovailoaís hip fracture has healed, which means he should be able to play early on in his rookie season. Having Ryan Fitzpatrick to guide him will be a huge plus moving forward.

3. Lions: Chase Young, DE, Ohio State

Wonder of wonders, miracle of miracles!!! The Lions somehow win the Chase Young sweepstakes. Someone will need to check the 40-yard dash time of the guy bringing the name card to the podium. This is as far as Young should fall, and only because the Redskins traded back.

4. Giants: Isaiah Simmons, LB, Clemson

The Giants need a lot of help on defense. With Young off the board, the G-Men decide to find the future captain of their defense under Joe Judge. Simmons is a versatile linebacker, who should improve the Giantsí run defense and make plays in coverage.

Itís a bummer to miss out on Young, but Simmons is an absolute force at the linebacker position.

5. Redskins (via MIA): Jeffery Okudah, CB, Ohio State

The Redskins made out like kings by trading back from the second overall pick. With Quinton Dunbar ready to leave town and Josh Norman looking like a shelf of himself, the Redskins will have a lot of work to do at the cornerback position this offseason.

While a reunion between Ron Rivera and James Bradberry is certainly possible, that move wouldnít stop the Redskins from investing in Okudah, who is a blue-chip prospect at the cornerback position.

6. Chargers: Justin Herbert, QB, Oregon

With the Dolphins aggressively moving up the board, the Chargers are left to pick the third-best quarterback prospect in the draft. Thatís fine with them though, as Herbert has a west coast feel that will appeal to the Los Angeles crowd.

When the Chargers announced they were moving on from Philip Rivers, they needed to have a plan for free agency and the draft to make that decision. Even if they can lure Tom Brady to LA, they need to have a long-term successor in place.

7. Panthers: Derrick Brown, DT, Auburn

With three quarterbacks off the board, the Panthers decide to focus on their defense. Brown can be the cornerstone of the new regimeís front seven.

TRADE: The Cardinals trade the 8th overall pick to the Raiders for the 12th overall and 80th overall (3rd Rd.) picks

8. Raiders (via AZ): CeeDee Lamb, WR, Oklahoma

The Raiders badly need help at wide receiver. Getting a sense that a wide receiver run is coming, general manager Mike Mayock reaches for the phone and makes a call to Arizona. Offering up a third-round pick to move up four spots, Las Vegas makes a splashy first-round trade in front of its new hometown, landing Lamb in the process. Lamb will be the top target for whoever plays quarterback this season.

9. Jaguars: Javon Kinlaw, DT, South Carolina

The Jaguars couldnít stop the run last season. Still, they kept defensive coordinator Todd Wash, who needs a run-stopping presence in the middle of his unit. Kinlaw can do it all and should be a welcomed addition to a young defensive front.

10. Browns: Jedrick Willis, OT, Alabama

The Browns need better protection for Baker Mayfield this season. Playing under his third head coach in as many years, Mayfield needs to feel comfortable in the meeting rooms and on the field. Willis could serve as Mayfieldís blindside blocker from Day 1


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I still believe it makes sense  
Big Blue '56 : 2/17/2020 8:03 am : link
for the Lions to go future franchise QB
I am stArting to come off of Simmons  
superspynyg : 2/17/2020 8:11 am : link
After reading several things and listening to some pod casts I am starting to think Simmons May be the same player as Derain James. A safety that can cover. Really good at a number of things but not great at one th8 g.

I don5 want a saftey at 4. Iíd rather have our next OLTor a CB. James dropped to 16 the yea4 he was drafted.

I am open to arguments that Simmons is the right pick at 4.

Please educate me!
Hypothetically,  
Big Blue '56 : 2/17/2020 8:18 am : link
letís assume, the Giants really covet Young and heís available at 3. What would it take to trade up to 3 with the Lions?
RE: I still believe it makes sense  
blueblood : 2/17/2020 8:21 am : link
In comment 14812358 Big Blue '56 said:
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for the Lions to go future franchise QB


Fiddy except for the fact that Stafford had one of his best years last year AND his cap number this year is 32 million. And except for last year he hasnt had a huge injury history. He is only i think 32 or 33 years old. He has years left.. Detroit needs help on defense. They cant cover ANYONE..

I suspect the Lions will be the first trade down spot.. not the Redskins.
RE: RE: I still believe it makes sense  
Big Blue '56 : 2/17/2020 8:27 am : link
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for the Lions to go future franchise QB



Fiddy except for the fact that Stafford had one of his best years last year AND his cap number this year is 32 million. And except for last year he hasnt had a huge injury history. He is only i think 32 or 33 years old. He has years left.. Detroit needs help on defense. They cant cover ANYONE..

I suspect the Lions will be the first trade down spot.. not the Redskins.


You certainly could be correct. Of course his medicals could determine whether or not they feel they need to protect themselves for the future.
There is no way the Lions pass on Young if he falls to 3  
superspynyg : 2/17/2020 8:50 am : link
You can get a cb in rd 2 and re sign Slay.
RE: I still believe it makes sense  
djstat : 2/17/2020 8:59 am : link
In comment 14812358 Big Blue '56 said:
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for the Lions to go future franchise QB
YOu may believe that but they probably do not believe Herbert is the answer and with Stafford not going anyway they probably believe it makes sense to take Young in this scenario.
I am still going to hold out some hope that the QB's are 1-2-3  
GiantBlue : 2/17/2020 9:02 am : link
Cincy drafts Burrow, Washington & Detroit trade back so teams can move up for Tua & Herbert.....

and Young is there for us at 4.

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blueblood : 2/17/2020 9:14 am : link
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for the Lions to go future franchise QB



Fiddy except for the fact that Stafford had one of his best years last year AND his cap number this year is 32 million. And except for last year he hasnt had a huge injury history. He is only i think 32 or 33 years old. He has years left.. Detroit needs help on defense. They cant cover ANYONE..

I suspect the Lions will be the first trade down spot.. not the Redskins.



You certainly could be correct. Of course his medicals could determine whether or not they feel they need to protect themselves for the future.


Problem is they really cant move on from him until 2022 because it would be 32 million in dead cap money this year and 19 million in 2021.. in 2022 that falls to 6 million and there is no more signing bonus..

but then if you did take a QB in round 1 you lose TWO years of having him cheaper.. AND you have a TON of capital in the QB position between Stafford AND a #3 first round pick sitting on the bence.. not a smart move cap wise..
RE: I am stArting to come off of Simmons  
Bruner4329 : 2/17/2020 9:18 am : link
In comment 14812361 superspynyg said:
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After reading several things and listening to some pod casts I am starting to think Simmons May be the same player as Derain James. A safety that can cover. Really good at a number of things but not great at one th8 g.

I don5 want a saftey at 4. Iíd rather have our next OLTor a CB. James dropped to 16 the yea4 he was drafted.

I am open to arguments that Simmons is the right pick at 4.

Please educate me!


Been consistent in my opinion. Taking one of the OLs at 4 is a reach only because most if not all will be available starting at 8. Even this Mock has the first OL going at 10. If we really are locked in on an OL then they move is to trade down a few slots and grab some more picks.
RE: RE: I still believe it makes sense  
eli4life : 2/17/2020 9:23 am : link
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for the Lions to go future franchise QB



Fiddy except for the fact that Stafford had one of his best years last year AND his cap number this year is 32 million. And except for last year he hasnt had a huge injury history. He is only i think 32 or 33 years old. He has years left.. Detroit needs help on defense. They cant cover ANYONE..

I suspect the Lions will be the first trade down spot.. not the Redskins.


Except for two straight years heís had broken bones in his back
Itís hard not to buy into the rumors about cincy?  
djm : 2/17/2020 9:38 am : link
How can any reputable outlet say that? Forget wins and losses, the bengals franchise is the biggest joke in pro sports. They make the Knicks look legitimate. The bengals are the only franchise not to have a ring of honor. Their commitment to winning isnít in doubt, itís apparent. They arenít committed at all.

If Iím burrow I am not going there.
For those quoting numbers on Stafford's contract  
Diver_Down : 2/17/2020 10:08 am : link
and consequent dead cap hit if traded, well it turns out that OTC and Spotrac are wrong. Florio has corrected the contract information. The dead cap hit is still significant (approx. $25M), but a trade can be executed before the roster bonus is due on the 5th day of the league year.
And Stafford, can play this year anyway,  
Big Blue '56 : 2/17/2020 10:44 am : link
assuming he passes his physical and their future guy (if deemed too good to pass up) can sit for a year
No offensive tackle until #10???  
jeffusedtobeonwebtv : 2/17/2020 11:50 am : link
Sounds odd for such an important position that is hard to fill. And the draft is supposed to be deep in offensive tackles.
Mrs.Ford & advisors have publicly demanded more wins from Lions  
lcrim : 2/17/2020 12:19 pm : link
I don't believe that Mat Patricia goes w/ a rookie QB this year.Does Detroit take a QB and sit him a year. Maybe.

I agree that Burrows won't play for Cincy. Mike Brown wins contests as the worst exec in professional sports.

The Dolphins are going to get Tua. They have the picks w/ #5, #18, #26 and 2 2nd day picks. To me it comes down to which team takes the deal w/ the Dolphins. Not to put too fine a point to it, but these are the three worst teams in the NFL, not by accident.
Larry
I predict  
Gruber : 2/17/2020 3:28 pm : link
that apart from Joe Burrow going to the Bengals with the first pick, none of the above happens.
Redskins take Chase Young.
Tua or Herbert goes #3, either to the Lions or to whoever they trade out to.
Simmons to Giants? Possible, but I don't think they've made up their mind yet about him.
Re the Dolphins,  
Big Blue '56 : 2/17/2020 4:48 pm : link
it‚Äôs like Josh Rosen doesn‚Äôt exist. Hard to believe given how many wanted him here before DJ was drafted. You know, ‚Äúthey could have drafted Josh Allen at 6 and got Rosen in trade,‚ÄĚ crowd.
IF We  
BobsYourUncle : 2/17/2020 4:54 pm : link
Passed on Okudha for Simmons - I may get alcohol poisoning.
RE: No offensive tackle until #10???  
MM_in_NYC : 2/17/2020 4:59 pm : link
In comment 14812505 jeffusedtobeonwebtv said:
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Sounds odd for such an important position that is hard to fill. And the draft is supposed to be deep in offensive tackles.


deep doesn't mean top heavy, my good man
RE: IF We  
MM_in_NYC : 2/17/2020 5:12 pm : link
In comment 14812751 BobsYourUncle said:
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Passed on Okudha for Simmons - I may get alcohol poisoning.


my guess is we try to address cb in fa, which i think makes sense give lti for the position. if grab a jones, for instance, passing on okudah for simmons makes sense. same goes vice versa too. fa will address one or both of these positions 100%
Depends on what the skins do ....  
short lease : 2/17/2020 5:27 pm : link
I read an interview with whoever was the GM of the Falcons a long time ago (cannot repeat it verbatim) but, he basically said that they drafted Deon Sanders to cover Jerry Rice (San Fran and Atlanta were in the same division at the time). If that kind of thinking comes into play at all then -

I can see the Giants drafting the highest rated Tackle in the draft (as long as he has a first round grade). They are going to need someone to block Young twice a season for the next 10 years? It is not going to be Solder we know that ....

If The Redskins trade out of the 2nd pick and Young goes to Detroit - a good left tackle is still needed but, not as imperative and then maybe they go defense (Isiah Simmons?).

Lions should trade Stafford  
Earl the goat : 2/17/2020 5:52 pm : link
And tank this season to pick Trevor Lawrence in 2021
RE: Lions should trade Stafford  
Big Blue '56 : 2/17/2020 6:21 pm : link
In comment 14812783 Earl the goat said:
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And tank this season to pick Trevor Lawrence in 2021


Except his cap hit would be huge, no?
RE: RE: Lions should trade Stafford  
Diver_Down : 2/17/2020 6:30 pm : link
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And tank this season to pick Trevor Lawrence in 2021



Except his cap hit would be huge, no?


$25M Significant, but much better than the $32M being thrown about. There is the possibility that Detroit might not be the ones shopping him, but rather Stafford might demand a trade. If his wife doesn't want to be there, then Stafford could demand a trade.
First of all ...  
FStubbs : 2/17/2020 7:24 pm : link
Washington trading out of the #2 spot is almost a pipe dream. They aren't passing on Chase Young.

But assuming the first 3 picks did play out that way, the Giants would draft Okudah, salivating at the chance to pair him with Baker.
If the goal is Chase Young  
WillVAB : 2/17/2020 8:12 pm : link
Then I think Detroit needs to trade with someone before the draft for that to be a possibility for the Giants.
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