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Re-visit: The Seattle Seahawks 2019 draft

YANKEE28 : 2/17/2020 9:37 am
I attached Peter King's FMIA article from this morning. Plenty of interesting info today and well worth the long read.

One area I thought worth pointing out was his piece on the 49ers. The 49ers got to the Super Bowl, but used a lot of 2020 draft capital to get there. This year they have their 1st (31st overall) pick, but don't pick again until the 10th pick in Round 5.

King offers a solution for a draft pick needy team by explaining what Seattle did in last years draft:

"The arch-rival Seahawks, with ever-restless GM John Schneider, provided an excellent example in 2019 of how to turn one first-round pick into a bevy of picks, replenishing what would have been a thin crop.

The trades:

1. Seattle traded its first-round pick, 21st overall, to Green Bay for the 30th, 114th and 118th picks.

2. Seattle traded the 30th pick to the Giants for the 37th, 132nd and 142nd picks.

3. Seattle traded the 37th pick to Carolina for the 47th and 77th picks. At 47, Seattle picked S Marquise Blair.

4. Seattle traded the 77th and 118th picks to New England for the 64th pick. At 64, Seattle selected WR DK Metcalf.

5. Seattle traded the 114th pick to Minnesota for the 120th and 204th picks.

Seattle picked WR Gary Jennings Jr. at 120, S Ugo Amadi at 132, LB Ben Burr-Kiven at 142, and RB Travis Homer at 204.

So Seattle turned pick #21 into six picks:
47, 64, 120, 132, 142 and 204 . . . two second-round picks, two fourth-round picks, one fifth-round pick and one sixth-round pick"

The NFL draft can be a classical argument of quantity vs. quality. Whether or not you agree with what the Seahawks did, they went into the draft with a plan, and then executed their plan.


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Outside of DK Metcalf  
Big Rick in FL : 2/17/2020 9:50 am : link
Were any of those guys even decent? Serious question. I don't recall hearing any of their names throughout the season.
DK Metcalf is the success of the draft  
Rjanyg : 2/17/2020 10:33 am : link
How about we point out LJ Collier as a first round bust from 2018.

The draft isn’t complicated if you plan and prepare
The draft..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 2/17/2020 10:36 am : link
is wildly complicated. EVERY team prepares with thousands of man hours put into the evaluation of players, and even after that exhaustive research, the liklihood a successful multi-year starter will be selected is still pretty small.

To me the point is, if you want to accumulate draft capital you can do  
Jim in Forest Hills : 2/17/2020 10:40 am : link
it.

What you do with those picks? That's hit or miss. This seems to be DG's specialty though, so i want to see him with more draft picks, especially with the enormous holes the Giants have everywhere.
always good stuff from you  
ColHowPepper : 2/17/2020 10:56 am : link
YANKEES28 tnks
RE: The draft..  
markky : 2/17/2020 11:18 am : link
In comment 14812451 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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the liklihood a successful multi-year starter will be selected is still pretty small.


that's why we have the superior strategy of selecting UNsuccessful multi-year starters.
Agree  
mdthedream : 2/17/2020 11:48 am : link
totally.
Draft picks don't win you games  
JohnB : 2/17/2020 11:54 am : link
Smart drafting does. You can trade in and out, up and down, back and forth but it you draft bums, your team will suck.

Draft good players and you'll have a good team regardless of your trading habits.

Let’s revisit the 2005 draft  
Rjanyg : 2/17/2020 12:00 pm : link
We had 4 picks:

Round 2: Corey Webster
Round 3: Justin Tuck
Round 4: Brandon Jacob
Round 6: a DE that didn’t make the team.

Point being, have a plan, have conviction. Hopefully good coaching to prepare these players and develop them.

Having a plan..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 2/17/2020 12:08 pm : link
and conviction is what every team has for the draft.

That doesn't mean drafting players is easy or predictive.
And how..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 2/17/2020 12:09 pm : link
did the 2005 draft represent more of a plan or conviction than other drafts?
RE: Draft picks don't win you games  
LBH15 : 2/17/2020 12:24 pm : link
In comment 14812508 JohnB said:
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Smart drafting does. You can trade in and out, up and down, back and forth but it you draft bums, your team will suck.

Draft good players and you'll have a good team regardless of your trading habits.


Well if you feel you can draft smartly then maybe accumulating more picks is a good strategy.
Seems to me like that’s a  
ryanmkeane : 2/17/2020 2:19 pm : link
perfect case of when people say “trade down!!” and think that just because you do that you are automatically going to get more good players.
RE: And how..  
Rjanyg : 2/17/2020 4:17 pm : link
In comment 14812522 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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did the 2005 draft represent more of a plan or conviction than other drafts?


The plan was simple: free agency brought RT, MLB and WR.

Draft brought CB, DE, RB

All needs and all complimented each other.

The Giants spent a decent amount of money on key additions, allowed them to pick quality players, some at positions of need some with great value.

That is the plan.
RE: Having a plan..  
Rjanyg : 2/17/2020 4:23 pm : link
In comment 14812521 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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and conviction is what every team has for the draft.

That doesn't mean drafting players is easy or predictive.


This is true, but I think what we saw from Reese was select great athletes.

Gettleman has a different approach.

Big men help you compete. Hernandez, Hill, Lawrence are all big dudes.

Intelligent, mature players like Barkley and Jones are worth spending 1st round picks on. Lawrence is very smart and grounded for his age as well.

Ever hear interviews with Slayton? The kids is bright and wants to be great yet is a team first player. In 2 drafts you can see the type of player DG is after.
Gettleman’s Approach  
Samiam : 2/17/2020 6:04 pm : link
Your case would be stronger if Gettleman’s 1st big pick was not Saquon Barkley. Not even counting Daniel Jones here. Also, so far Hill looks pretty meh to me and Hernandez has to play better this year to be part of a long term plan.
RE: Gettleman’s Approach  
Rjanyg : 2/17/2020 7:43 pm : link
In comment 14812788 Samiam said:
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Your case would be stronger if Gettleman’s 1st big pick was not Saquon Barkley. Not even counting Daniel Jones here. Also, so far Hill looks pretty meh to me and Hernandez has to play better this year to be part of a long term plan.


If you go off their rookie year Hill and Hernandez did very well. They didn’t improve in their sophomore season but I have not given up on them yet.
I think the corollary is how incredibly bad NE’s 2019 offseason was  
sb from NYT Forum : 2/19/2020 9:15 am : link
...and how much Seattle benefited from their mistakes. After knowing Gronk was gonna retire, they still traded Hollister to Seattle for peanuts.

Then, with their shitty WR corp, they reach for N’keal Harry instead of drafting Metcalf, Marquise Brown or AJ Brown.

Then, at the end of the 2nd round they still could have drafted Metcalf but traded their pick Seattle... who picked Metcalf.
RE: I think the corollary is how incredibly bad NE’s 2019 offseason was  
uther99 : 2/19/2020 10:44 am : link
In comment 14813827 sb from NYT Forum said:
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...and how much Seattle benefited from their mistakes. After knowing Gronk was gonna retire, they still traded Hollister to Seattle for peanuts.

Then, with their shitty WR corp, they reach for N’keal Harry instead of drafting Metcalf, Marquise Brown or AJ Brown.

Then, at the end of the 2nd round they still could have drafted Metcalf but traded their pick Seattle... who picked Metcalf.


Impossible, only Gettlemen has horrible drafts!
Maybe I am off base, but in regards to the specific Seattle example  
PatersonPlank : 2/19/2020 10:48 am : link
it seems to me the only guy who really panned out was Metcalf. So in my opinion, they ended up dumping their 21st pick in the 1st rd of DK Metcalf. Frankly they could have picked a 1st round talent and then still got DK in the second (like they did). If this was the Giants, people would be killing DG right now.
RE: Maybe I am off base, but in regards to the specific Seattle example  
FatMan in Charlotte : 2/19/2020 10:50 am : link
In comment 14813953 PatersonPlank said:
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it seems to me the only guy who really panned out was Metcalf. So in my opinion, they ended up dumping their 21st pick in the 1st rd of DK Metcalf. Frankly they could have picked a 1st round talent and then still got DK in the second (like they did). If this was the Giants, people would be killing DG right now.


That's my impression too and we'll see what happens going forward. They are a team that is burdened by a large QB contract and they really need to hit on draft picks, and they haven't been great recently.
It was a smart strategy by Seattle  
Metnut : 2/19/2020 11:21 am : link
Instead of getting one throw at the dart board, they got a whole number of them. Late first round picks have a real chance at being a bust, certainly are no sure thing.

They've already gotten DK Metcalf, who looks to be a stud, with the returns from the pick so they are already ahead. If any of the other guys pan out, it's gravy.

draft complexity aside  
mdc1 : 2/19/2020 3:57 pm : link
I would be surprised if anyone on this board is happy with the overall talent on this team. We do not have QUALITY(production) in QUANTITY on this team.

This team needs both, especially quentity. Just picking BPA does not get it in my view, unless they are just gambling on free agency which I suspect they will do, question is to what extent?
RE: Seems to me like that’s a  
Gatorade Dunk : 2/19/2020 4:42 pm : link
In comment 14812668 ryanmkeane said:
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perfect case of when people say “trade down!!” and think that just because you do that you are automatically going to get more good players.

I think you might be reading that context yourself. I tend to read it as thinking that the odds of consistently hitting successfully on draft picks are not especially high, so having more picks is a safer play. It will yield more busts, but also more hits, assuming the success rate is unchanged.

I'm sure there are some that think it automatically translates into more good players, but I think most people understand that the only thing that trading down guarantees is more opportunity, not more guaranteed success.
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