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| Ian Rapoport @RapSheet #Giants OLBs coach and senior defensive assistant Bret Bielema is interviewing for the head coaching job at the University of Colorado, sources say. The former Wisconsin and Arkansas coach could be back in college. 12:13pm · 17 Feb 2020 |
Bring AP back into the org, or maybe Pepper Johnson can rehab himself with our LB corp.
It isn't like he's actively jumping ship to be a ball boy or something.
Put yourself in his position. You've taken a job as a position coach and a major college program wants you to lead it. You don't listen because you just took a minor-level position last month??
What;s the distraction?
"Oh my God, we might lose a position coach!! How will we carry on???""
Larry
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Pepper Johnson will be brought up as a possible replacement if Bielema were to leave, but this also could be the scenario that brings Amos Jones to East Rutherford, with Bruce Arians suggesting he could be interviewing with NYG last week.
Jones coached OLB at Miss State.
12:28pm · 17 Feb 2020
It isn't like he's actively jumping ship to be a ball boy or something.
Put yourself in his position. You've taken a job as a position coach and a major college program wants you to lead it. You don't listen because you just took a minor-level position last month??
This
If your employer, who just hired you, was aware that every other week you were interviewing elsewhere they would just let you go and hire someone who actually wanted the job.
This guy clearly doesn’t want the gig so just move onto someone who is serious about it.
good luck, everyone should look out for their own self interests. The Giants won't.
If you are brought in as a low level analyst and somebody wants to interview you to be CEO, you really think your current job is going to consider you a "distraction" or want you to stick to some Omerta that keeps you crunching numbers?
In football circles, this kind of thing happens all the time, especially among lower level coaches and the team that people currently work for are usually happy to see you get the promotion.
I agree with you and Fats. If I were in a position to have a higher profiled position and be paid more, I would do it in a heartbeat. What’s wrong with trying to better yourself? It sounds ridiculous that the posters on this board want to crucify him for wanting to better his career.
It isn't like he's actively jumping ship to be a ball boy or something.
Put yourself in his position. You've taken a job as a position coach and a major college program wants you to lead it. You don't listen because you just took a minor-level position last month??
No I wouldn’t interview a month after taking a job. If the job was that much below my level I wouldn’t accept it. Unless I’m the case of hardship, which i doubt is the case here.
LOL you do understand the difference between agenda and ambition right?
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like in your own personal life if the opportunity for a better job came along like NONE of you would look into it.. just ridiculous...
I agree with you and Fats. If I were in a position to have a higher profiled position and be paid more, I would do it in a heartbeat. What’s wrong with trying to better yourself? It sounds ridiculous that the posters on this board want to crucify him for wanting to better his career.
That's not the point though. This guy can do whatever he wants. The point is: do the Giants, as his employer, want a guy who is constantly interviewing for other jobs.
Why? Nobody is saying this guy can't look for another job. People are just questioning whether the Giants should keep a guy who seems to be trying really hard to get another job.
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Pepper Johnson will be brought up as a possible replacement if Bielema were to leave, but this also could be the scenario that brings Amos Jones to East Rutherford, with Bruce Arians suggesting he could be interviewing with NYG last week.
Jones coached OLB at Miss State.
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if you are a position coach with an NFL team - why would you NOT look for a HC opportunity if it is presented to you?
It isn't like he's actively jumping ship to be a ball boy or something.
Put yourself in his position. You've taken a job as a position coach and a major college program wants you to lead it. You don't listen because you just took a minor-level position last month??
No I wouldn’t interview a month after taking a job. If the job was that much below my level I wouldn’t accept it. Unless I’m the case of hardship, which i doubt is the case here.
So......what you were saying is that he should be enslaved to the Giants organization at a lower level position and not give himself an opportunity to improve upon his career. Personally, I think that’s ridiculous. If an organization at the collegiate level has interest in you as a head coach, why would you not consider it? Why take less? I don’t get it. The Giants can move on without him. It’s not like he’s the HC , DC or OC on the Giants staff.
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That OLB coaching stint for Amos Jones at Mississippi State came in 2006 ... when Joe Judge was a grad assistant there.
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guys are fucking ridiculous.
Why? Nobody is saying this guy can't look for another job. People are just questioning whether the Giants should keep a guy who seems to be trying really hard to get another job.
Have you asked the Giants organization if this is a huge deal? Most classy organizations will look at this and say go ahead and approve upon your career. I do think that doing this in the middle of football season changes the situation. They haven’t really even started.
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this will be a big distraction as long as he's here.
What;s the distraction?
"Oh my God, we might lose a position coach!! How will we carry on???""
everytime a job opens reporters will ask questions. If Bielema does well there will be even more questions if he's looking to leave. If he does poorly they can ask if he's worried he might not get a job. Plus the reporters will ask the other coaches and players.
This is really being blown out of proportion. Likely because of a lack of perspective.
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guys are fucking ridiculous.
Why? Nobody is saying this guy can't look for another job. People are just questioning whether the Giants should keep a guy who seems to be trying really hard to get another job.
My guess is Colorado approached him and his agent. It's a big job in a power conference.
And of course BB took the request, asked Judge if he was cool with it, Judge of course said yes, and now BB is going to be in the mix for a huge HC opportunity.
To me, as long as BB is keeping Jints Central informed, he should definitely consider these big opportunities and Jints Central should support him.
Those who are offended would jump at the same thing. If you say otherwise, you are being a phony...
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Part of it may depend on what Bielema told Judge about his own goals in the last year and when interviewing. If he committed to coaching at least this year or said he was not interested in going back to the college HC grind, that would be reason to ding him.
Art Stapleton @art_stapleton
Exactly right. We don’t know what their understanding was. Bielema made no secret of his desire to be a HC in college again and did so publicly. What he and Judge agreed upon matters. Perception doesn’t necessarily match reality, so we’ll see.
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That OLB coaching stint for Amos Jones at Mississippi State came in 2006 ... when Joe Judge was a grad assistant there.
They could also conceivably have Kevin Sherrer coach the OLBs (he coached the OLBs at Georgia when Lorenzo Carter was there) and hire an ILB coach or have Sherrer coach both ILBs and OLBs.
*Bielema
*Garrett
*Graham
*Kitchens
*Spencer
*Dooley
*...maybe even McGaughey
To me it's the price of having an experienced coaching staff, and that's not necessarily a bad thing. Players are pros, and are asked to adjust. Part of the deal...
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I’m told Bielema really wants back in the college game
1:22pm · 17 Feb 2020
Bring AP back into the org, or maybe Pepper Johnson can rehab himself with our LB corp.
That’s not how the business works at all. No coach is going to fault another one for taking an interview to be head coachz
I don’t care for Bielema to much, so if he goes whatever.
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I’m told Bielema really wants back in the college game
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I’m told Bielema really wants back in the college game
1:22pm · 17 Feb 2020
So why take the job with us? That's my real beef here, it just seems like a dick move all around.
Bielema has a rep for being an asshole. It’s not a huge surprise.
There is nothing abnormal about this whether he stays or goes.
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I’m told Bielema really wants back in the college game
1:22pm · 17 Feb 2020
So why take the job with us? That's my real beef here, it just seems like a dick move all around.
Why take a job at all? Put the wife to work. Sit home and wait. Seems smart.
You don't understand why someone would accept a job even though there were other jobs (not yet offered to them) that they want more? Really? I can understand being frustrated/disappointed/pissed that once having accepted it he's continuing to look for something else. But to question why he'd have taken it in the first place seems... odd.
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When you hire former head coaches as assistants, there has to be an expectation that they're going to be in the mix for head coaching jobs
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So why take the job with us? That's my real beef here, it just seems like a dick move all around.
You don't understand why someone would accept a job even though there were other jobs (not yet offered to them) that they want more? Really? I can understand being frustrated/disappointed/pissed that once having accepted it he's continuing to look for something else. But to question why he'd have taken it in the first place seems... odd.
THIS. I don't begrudge anyone offered an opportunity to chase a dream, change their location, improve their financial standing or all of the above. Would be nice to have the best coaches, but they're people with families, not chess pieces.
i would do the same, I took a job that I liked and started and a week later my dream job opened up and they made me an offer and I took it. Not an ideal situation but I did what was in my best interest. by the way a year or so later the original company was sold and everyone was let go. You always have to do whats best for you and your family in my opinion.
Why do you think this job isn't what Bielema wants? The fact that he may want another job more hardly means he doesn't want to coach for the Giants if he can't land something better. I mean, surely you realize that just about every assistant in sports wants a better job than the one they have. Do you not question why they take jobs they don't "want"?
If this was happening next year instead of now, would you still not understand why he'd taken the Giants job when there were other jobs he wanted more? Again, I understand being annoyed that he accepted a job without committing to it for some minimum amount of time. But it seems incredibly straightforward why he would take this job even though he aspires to other jobs.
And this job wasn't even available a week ago, much less when he signed with us.
If he gets it, good for him. We'll survive.
How do you know Judge and Bielema didn't have an understanding from the start that his aspirations was to be a HC and he might leave if the right opportunity presented itself. Why assume he hasn't been upfront with Judge from the beginning? Maybe judge values him enough he asked him to join the staff regardless.
The point is we have no idea what was/is said between he and Judge. Your are doing a lot of assuming and drawing conclusions based on those assumptions.
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this will be a big distraction as long as he's here.
What;s the distraction?
"Oh my God, we might lose a position coach!! How will we carry on???""
Can't have it both ways. Many here decried the quality of the previous coaching staff and feel the upgrade this year will make a difference.
Are they or are they not important? To Eric's point (which I and many Badger fans disagree with) is that he is Judge's choice so a loss is a loss. My view is who is Judge's #2 and how long will he be available?
If a HC job opens up, I am absolutely certain that Judge is perfectly fine with one of his assistant coaches looking into it - most likely an unwritten rule, anyway.
Belichick is losing OCs and DCs every freaking year, do you hear him complain.
Once they start OTAs or something that is another story. but they haven't even let go people or finished evaluating players yet.
And of course he took the job. It was guaranteed income. He doesn't know if a P5 HC job is opening up and obviously Belichick let him leave NE to join Judges' staff.
If a HC job opens up, I am absolutely certain that Judge is perfectly fine with one of his assistant coaches looking into it - most likely an unwritten rule, anyway.
Belichick is losing OCs and DCs every freaking year, do you hear him complain.
Once they start OTAs or something that is another story. but they haven't even let go people or finished evaluating players yet.
And of course he took the job. It was guaranteed income. He doesn't know if a P5 HC job is opening up and obviously Belichick let him leave NE to join Judges' staff.
You are comparing the Giants situation to the Patriots? Really? The Patriots are coming of like 18 straight winning seasons. The Giants a desperate to turn this ship around.
Right now the Giants staff is working on playbooks, scouting players (our own, potential FAs and draftees). You think the Giants are happy that a coach for a KEY position that has absolutely sucked the past 3 years isn't focused on the job he was hired for?
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if you are a position coach with an NFL team - why would you NOT look for a HC opportunity if it is presented to you?
It isn't like he's actively jumping ship to be a ball boy or something.
Put yourself in his position. You've taken a job as a position coach and a major college program wants you to lead it. You don't listen because you just took a minor-level position last month??
No I wouldn’t interview a month after taking a job. If the job was that much below my level I wouldn’t accept it. Unless I’m the case of hardship, which i doubt is the case here.
So......what you were saying is that he should be enslaved to the Giants organization at a lower level position and not give himself an opportunity to improve upon his career. Personally, I think that’s ridiculous. If an organization at the collegiate level has interest in you as a head coach, why would you not consider it? Why take less? I don’t get it. The Giants can move on without him. It’s not like he’s the HC , DC or OC on the Giants staff.
I’m saying he shouldn’t have taken the Giants job if he wanted to be a NCAA head coach. I think it reflects poorly on his character. Not the end of the world but I wouldn’t take a job and quit after a month.
This notion that anyone owes their former employer anything other than a "Thanks, but I found a better gig!" when they move on to more money is seriously naive.
I don’t begrudge anyone for exploring better opportunities...but it’s a bad look. I can’t imagine that Judge is totally fine with it. In fact, I’d hope he’s not fine with it. As someone mentioned above, if my employer knew that I was interviewing for multiple jobs a month after getting hired, I’d get canned. They sure as hell wouldn’t be saying “Gee, lucky to have that guy with so much ambition!â€
The Giants are trying to build stability...this doesn’t help. And I’m sure Judge isn’t pleased regardless of whatever their deal was.
This is really being blown out of proportion. Likely because of a lack of perspective.
You are conflating 2 totally different situations. Of course established position coaches look to improve their job opportunities at the end of a season. No one would disagree or argue with that. That is not the situation here. This guy hasn't even started his job with the Giants and he's already looked at 2 other positions. That is not normal. I'd be happy to see just the short list of guys who have done that if you care to post it.
The fact that this is a power conference makes the visibility more present, but this isn't uncommon. At this same time last season, the Panthers had two lesser coaches interview for college positions, with one actually leaving.
This isn't uncommon or a reflection of what priorities exist, but you guys keep banging a drum for no reason.....
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their own agendas? We've got lots of new position coaches, but I haven't heard of any interviewing for other jobs. This is Bielema's second one in about a week. The guy would obviously rather be doing something else. Get rid of him now rather than risk a disruption later.
How do you know Judge and Bielema didn't have an understanding from the start that his aspirations was to be a HC and he might leave if the right opportunity presented itself. Why assume he hasn't been upfront with Judge from the beginning? Maybe judge values him enough he asked him to join the staff regardless.
The point is we have no idea what was/is said between he and Judge. Your are doing a lot of assuming and drawing conclusions based on those assumptions.
As far as I can tell, my comment doesn't assume anything other than that Bielema has an agenda beyond the Giants. That would seem pretty obvious at this point. You're the one assumimg he may have an understanding with Judge. If so, it seems pretty stupid of Judge. It's not like this guy is the second coming. Judge has enough on his plate without having to deal with seemingly settled staff issues. I don't know if you've been a boss, but I sure would never hire anyone with the understanding they were free to immediately start looking for another job.
Despite these massive buyout figures, coaches like Bret Bielema and Butch Jones are still being dismissed at incredible costs to their former employers. However, along with the massive buyout figures in these coaches’ contracts are agreements stating that they must seek employment opportunities that would offset the buyout figures.
If these coaches cannot find jobs comparable to the ones they lost, they are permitted to continue to receive buyout checks. That’s where the grey area begins as Bielema is being paid only $50,000 to coach the defensive line for the New England Patriots and Butch Jones is being paid $35,000 to serve as an intern/analyst at Alabama.
Those low salaries ensure that each coach continues to receive massive buyout checks every month.
Once the Razorback Foundation, the organization charged with sending Bielema his buyout payments, discovered Bielema’s low salary to coach the Patriots defensive line, they stopped sending the checks back in May. If you didn’t know, while NFL coaching salaries vary based on many factors, position coaches in the league typically make several hundred thousand to a million dollars per season.
Considering Bielema is only making $50,000, that suggests the coach was willing to be paid little by the Patriots in order to keep receiving buyout checks from Arkansas. If you were unaware, Bielema’s monthly buyout figure was $320,833.33. The coach was scheduled to receive that much every month until h received $11,935,000 total from Arkansas.
According to Wally Hall of WholeHogSports.com, the decision by the Razorback Foundation to stop paying Bielema will save Arkansas more than $7 million.
That’s a massive figure, all things considered in Fayetteville, as the team is currently struggling on the field. The road to the poor results of the Chad Morris era were laid in place thanks in part to what Bielema left behind and the program has been affecting in terms of fan attendance in the seasons since Bielema’s departure.
There’s likely going to be a legal battle following this decision and it will be interesting to see what happens next, as coaches and schools around the SEC and the nation will certainly be keeping an eye on what happens with this dispute and what it could mean for the future of buyout payments
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It’s not common to quit before ever coaching a game. If I’m misinformed, please list some examples.
It doesn’t mean he doesn’t want to be here. It means he was approached to be a HC somewhere else - you expect him to decline?
He isn’t flying around the country looking for jobs, but that’s what some of these comments read like.
It is even a better sign if they choose to stay.
But it is a BS move to accept a position and pull out weeks later. You can’t very well think this is OK and then criticize Josh McDaniels for pulling out of Indy. If he is such a big deal on the coaching circuit he should have declined our position or excel at it for jobs that arise next year.
It is even a better sign if they choose to stay.
But it is a BS move to accept a position and pull out weeks later. You can’t very well think this is OK and then criticize Josh McDaniels for pulling out of Indy. If he is such a big deal on the coaching circuit he should have declined our position or exceled at it for jobs that arise next year.
Giants assistant Bret Bielema could already be on way out - ( New Window )
Obviously Bielema wants to have a bird in hand in case the opportunity doesn't present itself.
Maybe Judge thought that having Bielema, who is head coach material, as a position (within a position) coach/senior assistant role is too good to pass up knowing that if he does leave he can pivot elsewhere?
Obviously Bielema wants to have a bird in hand in case the opportunity doesn't present itself.
Maybe Judge thought that having Bielema, who is head coach material, as a position (within a position) coach/senior assistant role is too good to pass up knowing that if he does leave he can pivot elsewhere?
Should read WASN'T totally up front...
It’s not common to quit before ever coaching a game. If I’m misinformed, please list some examples.
Outside of the famous Little Bill example, I don't know how common it is to quit before ever coaching a game because I'm not really following the lives of a QB coach.
What I posted above is that the Panthers have had two position coaches interview for college jobs - Mike Phair, their DL coach, and Brian Angelichio, their TE coach. Both newly hired by Matt Rhule. And neither of those guys is close to having the experience Bielema has had.
Do you not think that perhaps when these guys are hired and made it known up front that they will be open to a HC position while the off-season is happening?
Basically, a lot of assumptions are being made with incomplete information. Heck, you already have people on this thread saying "show him the door".
Well said ... +1
Based on what we saw with Freddie Kitchens, I think Judge has his guys that he trusts and he also is someone who expects his coaches to be part of his program, but the Kitchens thing in particular appears to be a case where he's giving a lifeline to friend in Kitchens who supported Judge years ago. Bielema has that connection from the Patriots and it's quite possible that Judge told him to go ahead and pursue it because he gets it.
However... the NFL combine is next week. I would have to think the Giants and Judge told Bielema that he has until some deadline (maybe even today) to make a decision if he's in or out. My gut is this is all resolved in the next 24 hours on way or another and if he can't do it, they will bring in another LB coach.
I admit I don’t know nearly as much about football as many here, but I own two businesses. But if a new employee is flying around on my dime while there is a lot of work to be done I have a problem with it.
I think Bielema is going to be a pretty good LB coach for us - we haven't had a good one in some time now. I don't have a problem with a guy who wants to grow -- not at all.
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It’s not common to quit before ever coaching a game. If I’m misinformed, please list some examples.
Outside of the famous Little Bill example, I don't know how common it is to quit before ever coaching a game because I'm not really following the lives of a QB coach.
What I posted above is that the Panthers have had two position coaches interview for college jobs - Mike Phair, their DL coach, and Brian Angelichio, their TE coach. Both newly hired by Matt Rhule. And neither of those guys is close to having the experience Bielema has had.
Do you not think that perhaps when these guys are hired and made it known up front that they will be open to a HC position while the off-season is happening?
Basically, a lot of assumptions are being made with incomplete information. Heck, you already have people on this thread saying "show him the door".
I can’t find any stories about either guy interviewing at the NCAA level.
Angelichio interviewed for the Oberlin job. Phair interviewed for a coordinator position at App St.
Both guys just joined Rhule's staff.
The point to be made here is that there are examples - just in the past month of people interviewing for positions that are promotions. Guys who just joined teams.
It isn't a lack of committment - it is that some programs had openings that just happened or are going through another round of searches. It isn't a reflection on an agenda or a lack of focus.
Are you afraid he'd laugh so hard that he'd hurt himself?
I admit I don’t know nearly as much about football as many here, but I own two businesses. But if a new employee is flying around on my dime while there is a lot of work to be done I have a problem with it.
I 100% agree that Bielema has his own agenda and at the end of the day, the only loyalty in this business is to yourself/family. And honestly, in almost any professional capacity that is at will employment, that's the mantra. Now, burning bridges to do so is never a great idea and will limit your future opportunities.
I"m sure that Judge wants him on the staff (or he wouldn't have offered him the position). But from a professional standpoint, like I said, I'm sure he understands that an opportunity arose and Bielema is trying to take it. However, there is a point where your patience runs out and it impacts the team. In my estimation, that point is this week because the Giants will want to prepare with their entire staff ahead of the combine. Also, Colorado is motivated to make a move because they need to fill their spot in the height of college commitments. So this is going to get done one way or another.
At the end of the day, I think Bielema is always going to be a year to year guy on this staff. Unless and until Judge cuts him loose, I'd have to think that he's ok with what is going on...to a certain point. And apparently we haven't reach that point yet, but like I said, I think it's probably not more than 24-48 hours.
Oberlin ended up hiring a different guy for HC. Don't know if that meant Angelichio turned it down or if he wasn't offered it.
Why don't you dig further since you have been spot on with the reading comprehension thus far.
Opgenorth came to Oberlin after spending the last five seasons at nearby Baldwin Wallace University, most recently serving as associate head coach, offensive coordinator, and quarterbacks' coach in 2019.
"I am energized by this moment of change," Winkelfoos said at the time of his hire. "Under Steve's leadership, our football program's culture will evolve and advance. Expectations will be elevated and the experiences of our student-athletes with intense academic demands will be nurtured."
Over the last two seasons, Opgenorth helped lead the Yellow Jackets to a 15-5 record. In 2018, Baldwin Wallace led the Ohio Athletic Conference in total offense with 456.6 yards per game as he mentored quarterback Jake Hudson to All-OAC second team accolades after he threw for a school record 2,640 yards while finishing second in the league with 25 touchdown passes.
"I am proud and honored to be named the head football coach at Oberlin College," Opgenorth said at the time of his hire. "There is a shared vision to build and develop the Yeomen football program, and ensure that our student-athletes will reach their full potential as students, athletes, and as people during their time in our program. I would like to thank President Ambar and Natalie Winkelfoos for this opportunity. We will set a standard of excellence within an elite institution here in Northeast Ohio. It's the right time to be a Yeoman."
Prior to his tenure in Berea, Opgenorth was the head coach at St. Norbert College (WI) in 2014, leading the Green Knights to a 6-4 record. He earned the head-coaching opportunity after assisting in revitalizing the football program at Colby College (ME) as the offensive coordinator and recruiting coordinator for two seasons, helping the Mules post a .500 season in his second year.
y'all are crazy.
y'all are crazy.
Absolutely fucking preposterous. This is business, if you have a much better position available for significantly more money you take it. It generally doesn't happen like that in corporate/blue collar world so people can't wrap their head around it. If they really wanted him to stay they'd match the pay.
They probably are coming to him. The coaching fraternity is pretty tight and seeking out a proven winner is going to limit the pool a little.
Both of the teams he's looked at have been familiar with him.