In a span of 9 days, I've watched them choke away a double digit lead to Duke @ home, lose on a last second 3 to UVA, & now blow another double digit lead/lose on a last second 3 to ND. I didn't catch their loss to FSU.
Season from hell Heels fans. Season from hell. 6 game losing streak.
Just venting.
Can't say I'm too broken up about it.
Yup. Help is coming soon enough. Sharpe, Kessler, & Love...UNC did well on the recruiting trail.
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because help is on the way next year. Ole Roy has a helluva class for 2020/21.
Yup. Help is coming soon enough. Sharpe, Kessler, & Love...UNC did well on the recruiting trail.
#1 recruiting class for college basketball next year. Doesn't guarantee squat, but there'll be substantially more Tar Heel wins next year.
Brutal year for me: Giants, Knicks, UNC. And Altuve sitting on Chapman’s 2-1 curve (almost like he knew was coming ....)
I have limited sympathy - UNC is an institution and almost always great. They “deserve” a bad year. Just wish Duke would have one too.
I've seen a lot of Heels fans consoling themselves with this, but....they had a top ten class this year, you know.
Of course, we can't get around the obvious. UNC will bring in another top class and will be back into the mix at some point. ND will have no such benefit. ND's basketball recruiting has completely cratered and it remains to be seen whether Brey can get them back to relevance at some point.
He competed against Kevin Huerter (Hawks), and although a different division played at the same time as Joe Cremo (UAlbany/Villanova).
Also out of Section 2 - Joe Girard is coming along at SU.
Maybe it’s because the schools refuse to adjust their academic standards.
If so, kudos to them.
Maybe it’s because the schools refuse to adjust their academic standards.
If so, kudos to them.
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They never had truly top talent but usually punched above their weight class. Wonder what has happened there. It's kind of like Jamie Dixon at Pitt - the bottom just suddenly fell out after a long run of good seasons.
Maybe it’s because the schools refuse to adjust their academic standards.
If so, kudos to them.
I think there is an almost complete disconnect between academic standards and the revenue-producing college sports. And the greater the athlete’s talent, the more this relationship becomes attenuated. It’s a nice little fiction that the athletes at a particular school are subject to more rigorous admissions standards than at other schools — but it’s just not true. College athletes go through a completely different admissions process. And it’s not just at the UNCs and Dukes (remember Marvin Bagley?), it’s even at the elite non-major conference private schools and Ivies. I know someone who is playing hoops for an elite Ivy program next year — the only kid on my daughter’s high school that got in — and this person could never sniff an Ivy if it’s wasn’t for the fact they were 6’6.” And I have a family member who played football at a super-elite private school, who scored in the 50th percentile on his standardized tests. Etc. etc. it’s two different tracks.
The disconnect seems to get greater and greater every year as admissions has become more competitive than ever. It makes me wonder sometimes, what IS college sports at this point? The increased geographic boundaries of conferences — the ACC now spans the entire Eastern coast and west to Indiana — and the tremendous time burdens and the separation from the student body (separate dorms, dining facilities, gyms) makes it feel more than ever that sports teams are a mercenary force to bring in $ and build school spirit. Doesn’t stop me from watching it and rooting for my alma mater, but I’d wager that 80-90% of the Notre Dame football team didn’t score in the 98th plus percentile on the SAT/ACT that you need to get in as a non-athlete. So the kids come in at much lower performing levels, then spend 40 hours plus per week on football-related activities and travel ... while the non-athlete brainiacs are cramming in the library ... I mean c’mon, one has almost nothing to do with the other.
Yeah, maybe my blanket statement went too far. Yes, I would agree that UVA over the years likely had much higher standards than say, Oklahoma State or something. In my (antecdotal) experience in fact, UVA has always had some of the highest standards of “major” college teams.
That said ... I’m sure you know how hard it is to get into UVA these days. It’s ... crazy hard. 99th percentile hard. Same thing for UNC out-of-state, which my does-three-hours-of-homework-a-night daughter just got into (likely with the help I’m sure of alumni preference) when other kids that got into Ivies didn’t. Maybe UVA has continued the Groh tough standards .., but even these enhanced standards leave the vast majority of the UVA revenue sports kids way behind to start ... add in 40 hours plus per week of prep, play, and travel, and you’d have to be pretty remarkable to compete on the same terms as the non-athlete.
Doesn’t it make you wonder sometimes what the point of it is? I’m pretty good at repressing it, but athletics are a world within a world. And it especially kills me when a guy like Coach K waxes poetic on student athletes when he’s figuring out ways to beat the system with the Marvin Bagleys.
I just googled college sports admissions and saw an article in US News and World Report from 2008. UVA had among the best stats for football teams, with their players averaging a 980 on their SATs. That’s great, I see how alumni can feel a bit better than at some schools ... but it’s still WAY lower than the rest of the student body. Add in their full-time job as football players, and it’s pretty much a sub-college within a college.
I agree with you. They should have been hammered.
Their hypocrisy is off the charts. And that's not even listing the petty shit they've done where they strip eligibility from someone who shows up in a calendar that is sold for a fundraiser and things like that. Meanwhile, an institution of higher learning oversaw academic fraud and that's something they can't step in on?
Oh, I know I'm preaching to the choir, but it is so damn maddening that UNC provided a blueprint on how to fend off the NCAA no matter how bad the situation - get a team of high-priced lawyers who threaten to tie things up in litigation for years.
Meanwhile, watching the SU-Duke game a couple weeks ago I realized they still have 101 wins taken away from Jim Boeheim while the rat-faced fuck on the other side is the all-time wins leader.
Their hypocrisy is off the charts. And that's not even listing the petty shit they've done where they strip eligibility from someone who shows up in a calendar that is sold for a fundraiser and things like that. Meanwhile, an institution of higher learning oversaw academic fraud and that's something they can't step in on?
What bums me out about the whole thing is that UNC didn’t need to do this crap, they already have every advantage, amazing funding, great reputation, were in the catbird seat. Guess it was just greed, hubris, whatever. Sheesh.
Well, look, there are many advantages to being the Prince of Darkness....
The idea that UNC wasn't punished at all is absurd though. The NCAA dragged this out for a long time and I believe they did because they knew thats the only way they could punish UNC. Which is fine, they deserved something but the idea that they got off with nothing isnt true. The black cloud hanging over the program for multiple years and the inability to even get the top recruits to visit during those years was the punishment. And this year is part of the punishment, the junior and seniors on this team suck, the Plateks and Robinsons and Manley's/Huffmans of the world never even get an offer from UNC without the academic scandal.
It's just been one of those years. Cole missed most of the season and now he's back but the season was already in the shitter and the Duke game took all the steam out of their sails.
The grad transfers have been busts too although Keeling is playing better recently.
Anything that can go wrong has gone wrong this year. Injuries, bad luck, poor play, poor coaching, everything.
They are dreadful from 3 and are dreadful from the free throw line. That's not a winning combination is todays game
Their hypocrisy is off the charts. And that's not even listing the petty shit they've done where they strip eligibility from someone who shows up in a calendar that is sold for a fundraiser and things like that. Meanwhile, an institution of higher learning oversaw academic fraud and that's something they can't step in on?
They clearly did not have the power to take action against UNC. Whether or not you agree with it is a different story. But they would have been crushed in court if they did anything
I can't remember a team seemingly having worse luck in so many big games as UNC has had this year.
I guess it's better to have all that bad luck in one year than spread out, but boy, it has to be absolutely brutal this year for a tarheel fan.