The good news is there are not many guys who I would re-sign and other than LW, none will should require a big $$ commitment. And, as much as I dislike the player, I see Halapio getting another shot here.
The good news is there are not many guys who I would re-sign and other than LW, none will should require a big $$ commitment. And, as much as I dislike the player, I see Halapio getting another shot here.
The good news is there are not many guys who I would re-sign and other than LW, none will should require a big $$ commitment. And, as much as I dislike the player, I see Halapio getting another shot here.
I would not tender Halapio. I don't see the point, especially given he suffered a major injury in the finale.
But I agree, other than possibly Williams, Golden, and Core, I don't see any UFAs we should lose any sleep over.
The good news is there are not many guys who I would re-sign and other than LW, none will should require a big $$ commitment. And, as much as I dislike the player, I see Halapio getting another shot here.
I would not tender Halapio. I don't see the point, especially given he suffered a major injury in the finale.
But I agree, other than possibly Williams, Golden, and Core, I don't see any UFAs we should lose any sleep over.
true he had sacks and pressures -- but also true he was a main cause of penalties/miscues in bad moments -- even with the Giants being 2nd least penalized team
It's also fine to say don;t bring back Halapio -- but who replaces him -- even if you do replace him -- isn't he at least a decent back up?
I know Sy has had kind things to say about Latimer, but I don't see it. No thanks. To me, Mayo is just a guy. I can see bringing him back on a prove it contract, but no more. Halapio sucks. I'd rather go with a rookie (but I assume they will add another vet).
RE: also ---- I'm really on the fence about Golden -
true he had sacks and pressures -- but also true he was a main cause of penalties/miscues in bad moments -- even with the Giants being 2nd least penalized team
If they are going to spend potentially $15 million per on LW, I do not think they can also bring back Golden if he is looking for $10 million or more per year. Unfortunately, due to lack of options in the draft and FA, I believe pass rush will be a problem again in 2020 and something they will address in 2021.
I know Sy has had kind things to say about Latimer, but I don't see it. No thanks. To me, Mayo is just a guy. I can see bringing him back on a prove it contract, but no more. Halapio sucks. I'd rather go with a rookie (but I assume they will add another vet).
What about Coleman -- he was a nice piece -- he should at least get a shot in camp again and hopefully stay healthy -- I think he's a decent value. Latimer gives good depth and competition for the WR squad. When there was injuries, he showed he's a decent backup option
Where you can cut/restructure players to create cap room, then offer FA contracts to FA? Pretty cool, although I’m not certain the numbers being agreed upon are realistic
4.4 40 and 20 BP Latimer on jet sweeps. A guy who got a penalty for blocking and casting aside a DB too well. Nope, Shurmor does it with a street FA he just picked up.
the C position is just as important as the LT position in my opinion, and the main reason for the Giants OL struggles has to do with the inefficient play from both positions. Unfortunately, due to his contract, Solder will be here for another season, making an upgrade at C even more critical.
A guy that could hit the market that I’d like to see the Giants evaluate and consider is Connor McGovern from Denver.
The problem with Coleman is he is coming off a torn ACL. Prove it deal?
Yeah -- you bring him and Latimer into camp, let them compete, and see whats you got
Hopefully the Giants will come away with a tall body long armed WR in the draft -- It would be great to get another WR, a taller one, on the level with Slayton in the 5th again ; )
It's also fine to say don;t bring back Halapio -- but who replaces him -- even if you do replace him -- isn't he at least a decent back up?
No, Pio's not at least a decent backup - he's ineffective when healthy and now coming off a second severe injury. He's the very definition of JAG, and if we're going to carry a JAG as the backup IOL, might as well find a healthy one (you can get younger, cheaper, and probably better just fishing in the UDFA pond to find a backup IOL alternative to Pio).
The problem with Coleman is he is coming off a torn ACL. Prove it deal?
Yeah -- you bring him and Latimer into camp, let them compete, and see whats you got
Hopefully the Giants will come away with a tall body long armed WR in the draft -- It would be great to get another WR, a taller one, on the level with Slayton in the 5th again ; )
Enough will this bullshit, bringing chronic underachievers into camp, hoping that they'll undergo some miraculous turnaround. Find some younger guys, hungry, maybe buried on somebody else's depth chart, looking for an opportunity, and spend your money on them instead of throwing good money after bad.
the C position is just as important as the LT position in my opinion, and the main reason for the Giants OL struggles has to do with the inefficient play from both positions. Unfortunately, due to his contract, Solder will be here for another season, making an upgrade at C even more critical.
A guy that could hit the market that I’d like to see the Giants evaluate and consider is Connor McGovern from Denver.
Halapio turns 29 in June. Is coming off a serious injury. And has played for EIGHT teams. Most importantly, he has not looked good at all with the Giants, regardless of what Gettleman and Shurmur said.
I agree. Deep draft at WR. Probably will be a a lot of undrafted WRs who can do better.
Absolutely. But even if you wanted to sign a UFA WR prior to the draft (recall the rumor about the Giants and Demarcus Robinson), just look at who is available first, before you start welcoming back guys like Coleman and Latimer.
It's also fine to say don;t bring back Halapio -- but who replaces him -- even if you do replace him -- isn't he at least a decent back up?
I know Sy has had kind things to say about Latimer, but I don't see it. No thanks. To me, Mayo is just a guy. I can see bringing him back on a prove it contract, but no more. Halapio sucks. I'd rather go with a rookie (but I assume they will add another vet).
Agreed. Latimer can't separate. The Broncos gave up on him pretty quickly, even though he was a second round pick. My recollection is that nobody wanted to sign him last year as a FA. I wouldn't be upset if he returns on a vet minimum contract to compete, but that's all. Same for Coleman and Mayo.
I think how the Giants handle Halapio will be a sign to how much say Judge has vis a vis Gettleman.
Great point. That will be a barometer in that sense of how much pull Judge really has over Getts. Pio sucks. If he is on this team at all, then we're doomed to more poor personnel decisions. Gettleman clearly has a thing for Pio for some odd reason.
Broncos gave Latimer 4 years, but then decided to move on. He is what he is... big, physical WR who occasionally makes the circus catch but who can't consistently separate from defenders.
It's also fine to say don;t bring back Halapio -- but who replaces him -- even if you do replace him -- isn't he at least a decent back up?
1. Halapio is injured and likely out until at least training camp
2. Pulley is still under contract (for now)
That said, I'd rather cut Pulley and tender Halapio at the lowest level and get a starting caliber OC in FA or the draft. Halapio/Pulley are comparably skilled players, so I'd keep the cheaper one as the backup.
he's solid on STs, but not really a standout (like Core) and doesn't really add anything as a WR. I'd definitely choose Core, the significantly better STer, over him even though Latimer is marginally better at WR. Add some more WR depth on day 2/3 of the draft.
Mayo - as the 6th/7th LB at <$2-3M per season, I'd welcome him back. He better not be starting or even the primary backup though or its going to be another long season for the D.
they bring nothing to the table. Lattimer has done nothing with the amount of playing time he has gotten. Coleman was being counted but never really proved anything and then got hurt. Pio was over hyped and way under delivered. They can all be easily replaced and some may be out of the NFL next season.
If we are going to improve the roster we have to let go of the underachievers and look for better. We have a lot of cap space to get a few top end players and then fill in with proven vets on prove it deals. Look what we got out of Golden. We have enough coaches from different teams to pick up some under the radar vets and not just target Minn & Arizona.
It's also fine to say don;t bring back Halapio -- but who replaces him -- even if you do replace him -- isn't he at least a decent back up?
1. Halapio is injured and likely out until at least training camp
2. Pulley is still under contract (for now)
That said, I'd rather cut Pulley and tender Halapio at the lowest level and get a starting caliber OC in FA or the draft. Halapio/Pulley are comparably skilled players, so I'd keep the cheaper one as the backup.
Giants#1 - this makes too much sense for them to actually do it :)
and bringing both Pio and Pulley to camp, hopefully with a true starter ahead of them. Then let Pulley/Pio battle it out for the backup spot and/or try to trade one (a la Brett Jones) in August.
and bringing both Pio and Pulley to camp, hopefully with a true starter ahead of them. Then let Pulley/Pio battle it out for the backup spot and/or try to trade one (a la Brett Jones) in August.
I think they’d save over $2M if they cut Pulley with no dead money. I think that’s a no brained, after you draft your future starter at Center
someone presented an argument that Carter might be as or more effective playing 9 technique as Golden did last year. If true is it worth paying Golden what he’ll be offered by another team?
It's also fine to say don;t bring back Halapio -- but who replaces him -- even if you do replace him -- isn't he at least a decent back up?
I know Sy has had kind things to say about Latimer, but I don't see it. No thanks. To me, Mayo is just a guy. I can see bringing him back on a prove it contract, but no more. Halapio sucks. I'd rather go with a rookie (but I assume they will add another vet).
Latimer is a Bady... a 4/5 receiver and special teamer--hes has value at a low price
true he had sacks and pressures -- but also true he was a main cause of penalties/miscues in bad moments -- even with the Giants being 2nd least penalized team
Is Golden a complete Edge player or is he just a pass rusher? Can he play 4-3 OLB effectively? I haven’t seen much positive or negative about his pass coverage or run defense. His sack and pressure numbers seem acceptable and could get better with a complementary player on the other side.
and bringing both Pio and Pulley to camp, hopefully with a true starter ahead of them. Then let Pulley/Pio battle it out for the backup spot and/or try to trade one (a la Brett Jones) in August.
I think they’d save over $2M if they cut Pulley with no dead money. I think that’s a no brained, after you draft your future starter at Center
$2M isn't much, especially since his total cap hit is only $2.75M. You need depth, especially if you want to rely on an unproven rookie. And while Pulley isn't starting material, he's a solid backup and you can do a lot worse.
and bringing both Pio and Pulley to camp, hopefully with a true starter ahead of them. Then let Pulley/Pio battle it out for the backup spot and/or try to trade one (a la Brett Jones) in August.
I think they’d save over $2M if they cut Pulley with no dead money. I think that’s a no brained, after you draft your future starter at Center
$2M isn't much, especially since his total cap hit is only $2.75M. You need depth, especially if you want to rely on an unproven rookie. And while Pulley isn't starting material, he's a solid backup and you can do a lot worse.
You can also do a lot better, and that's what the Giants should be focused on...doing a lot better.
You can also do a lot better, and that's what the Giants should be focused on...doing a lot better.
Sure, but at what cost? I agree they need to spend the resources (FA $$ or draft) to get a legit starting caliber C, but you want them to also find a high end backup (which is basically a top 30-40 C) in the same offseason? I don't think Pulley/Halapio are that bad, and if you're adding a vet C in that range he's probably costing more than the $2M in cap savings (which is really <$1.5M since you have to replace Pulley on the 53 man roster with at least a min salary player).
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You can also do a lot better, and that's what the Giants should be focused on...doing a lot better.
Sure, but at what cost? I agree they need to spend the resources (FA $$ or draft) to get a legit starting caliber C, but you want them to also find a high end backup (which is basically a top 30-40 C) in the same offseason? I don't think Pulley/Halapio are that bad, and if you're adding a vet C in that range he's probably costing more than the $2M in cap savings (which is really <$1.5M since you have to replace Pulley on the 53 man roster with at least a min salary player).
I've said many times that one guy I'd like them to target in free agency is C/RG Ted Karras (NE, 27). He'd be a big step up from Pio and Pulley. That's in addition to making OC a priority in the draft. Not as big a priority as, say, OT, but a priority nonetheless, day two or three.
didn’t Halapio tear his achilles in the last game? isn’t that a major
injury requiring surgical repair which could put Halapio out of action until at least 8 months or so with rehab? If a torn achilles is the problem I don’t see it as a choice, the Giants must get someone to be a starter at center regardless of whatever anyone thinks of Halapio abilities. So at the very least he’s a wait and see.
None will/should....
I would not tender Halapio. I don't see the point, especially given he suffered a major injury in the finale.
But I agree, other than possibly Williams, Golden, and Core, I don't see any UFAs we should lose any sleep over.
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The good news is there are not many guys who I would re-sign and other than LW, none will should require a big $$ commitment. And, as much as I dislike the player, I see Halapio getting another shot here.
I would not tender Halapio. I don't see the point, especially given he suffered a major injury in the finale.
But I agree, other than possibly Williams, Golden, and Core, I don't see any UFAs we should lose any sleep over.
Nor would I (Halapio). But we know the NYG will.
It's also fine to say don;t bring back Halapio -- but who replaces him -- even if you do replace him -- isn't he at least a decent back up?
It's also fine to say don;t bring back Halapio -- but who replaces him -- even if you do replace him -- isn't he at least a decent back up?
I know Sy has had kind things to say about Latimer, but I don't see it. No thanks. To me, Mayo is just a guy. I can see bringing him back on a prove it contract, but no more. Halapio sucks. I'd rather go with a rookie (but I assume they will add another vet).
If they are going to spend potentially $15 million per on LW, I do not think they can also bring back Golden if he is looking for $10 million or more per year. Unfortunately, due to lack of options in the draft and FA, I believe pass rush will be a problem again in 2020 and something they will address in 2021.
I know Sy has had kind things to say about Latimer, but I don't see it. No thanks. To me, Mayo is just a guy. I can see bringing him back on a prove it contract, but no more. Halapio sucks. I'd rather go with a rookie (but I assume they will add another vet).
What about Coleman -- he was a nice piece -- he should at least get a shot in camp again and hopefully stay healthy -- I think he's a decent value. Latimer gives good depth and competition for the WR squad. When there was injuries, he showed he's a decent backup option
Tender him? How about they tenderize him, then roast him over an open fire.
Okay, well, that's a little extreme, but still...
No, 2021 is when their contracts END.
Whoops. Thanks.
A guy that could hit the market that I’d like to see the Giants evaluate and consider is Connor McGovern from Denver.
Yeah -- you bring him and Latimer into camp, let them compete, and see whats you got
Hopefully the Giants will come away with a tall body long armed WR in the draft -- It would be great to get another WR, a taller one, on the level with Slayton in the 5th again ; )
It's also fine to say don;t bring back Halapio -- but who replaces him -- even if you do replace him -- isn't he at least a decent back up?
No, Pio's not at least a decent backup - he's ineffective when healthy and now coming off a second severe injury. He's the very definition of JAG, and if we're going to carry a JAG as the backup IOL, might as well find a healthy one (you can get younger, cheaper, and probably better just fishing in the UDFA pond to find a backup IOL alternative to Pio).
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The problem with Coleman is he is coming off a torn ACL. Prove it deal?
Yeah -- you bring him and Latimer into camp, let them compete, and see whats you got
Hopefully the Giants will come away with a tall body long armed WR in the draft -- It would be great to get another WR, a taller one, on the level with Slayton in the 5th again ; )
Enough will this bullshit, bringing chronic underachievers into camp, hoping that they'll undergo some miraculous turnaround. Find some younger guys, hungry, maybe buried on somebody else's depth chart, looking for an opportunity, and spend your money on them instead of throwing good money after bad.
A guy that could hit the market that I’d like to see the Giants evaluate and consider is Connor McGovern from Denver.
Halapio turns 29 in June. Is coming off a serious injury. And has played for EIGHT teams. Most importantly, he has not looked good at all with the Giants, regardless of what Gettleman and Shurmur said.
Absolutely. But even if you wanted to sign a UFA WR prior to the draft (recall the rumor about the Giants and Demarcus Robinson), just look at who is available first, before you start welcoming back guys like Coleman and Latimer.
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Latimer and Mayo - should all return imo
It's also fine to say don;t bring back Halapio -- but who replaces him -- even if you do replace him -- isn't he at least a decent back up?
I know Sy has had kind things to say about Latimer, but I don't see it. No thanks. To me, Mayo is just a guy. I can see bringing him back on a prove it contract, but no more. Halapio sucks. I'd rather go with a rookie (but I assume they will add another vet).
Agreed. Latimer can't separate. The Broncos gave up on him pretty quickly, even though he was a second round pick. My recollection is that nobody wanted to sign him last year as a FA. I wouldn't be upset if he returns on a vet minimum contract to compete, but that's all. Same for Coleman and Mayo.
Great point. That will be a barometer in that sense of how much pull Judge really has over Getts. Pio sucks. If he is on this team at all, then we're doomed to more poor personnel decisions. Gettleman clearly has a thing for Pio for some odd reason.
It's also fine to say don;t bring back Halapio -- but who replaces him -- even if you do replace him -- isn't he at least a decent back up?
1. Halapio is injured and likely out until at least training camp
2. Pulley is still under contract (for now)
That said, I'd rather cut Pulley and tender Halapio at the lowest level and get a starting caliber OC in FA or the draft. Halapio/Pulley are comparably skilled players, so I'd keep the cheaper one as the backup.
Mayo - as the 6th/7th LB at <$2-3M per season, I'd welcome him back. He better not be starting or even the primary backup though or its going to be another long season for the D.
If we are going to improve the roster we have to let go of the underachievers and look for better. We have a lot of cap space to get a few top end players and then fill in with proven vets on prove it deals. Look what we got out of Golden. We have enough coaches from different teams to pick up some under the radar vets and not just target Minn & Arizona.
Kind of.
Basically means a guy signed off of the street... not a your typical free agent signed away from another team.
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Latimer and Mayo - should all return imo
It's also fine to say don;t bring back Halapio -- but who replaces him -- even if you do replace him -- isn't he at least a decent back up?
1. Halapio is injured and likely out until at least training camp
2. Pulley is still under contract (for now)
That said, I'd rather cut Pulley and tender Halapio at the lowest level and get a starting caliber OC in FA or the draft. Halapio/Pulley are comparably skilled players, so I'd keep the cheaper one as the backup.
Giants#1 - this makes too much sense for them to actually do it :)
I think they’d save over $2M if they cut Pulley with no dead money. I think that’s a no brained, after you draft your future starter at Center
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Latimer and Mayo - should all return imo
It's also fine to say don;t bring back Halapio -- but who replaces him -- even if you do replace him -- isn't he at least a decent back up?
I know Sy has had kind things to say about Latimer, but I don't see it. No thanks. To me, Mayo is just a guy. I can see bringing him back on a prove it contract, but no more. Halapio sucks. I'd rather go with a rookie (but I assume they will add another vet).
Latimer is a Bady... a 4/5 receiver and special teamer--hes has value at a low price
Whether by draft picks, undrafted, or some combination of the 2 I'd be looking to bring in 3 WRs.
Is Golden a complete Edge player or is he just a pass rusher? Can he play 4-3 OLB effectively? I haven’t seen much positive or negative about his pass coverage or run defense. His sack and pressure numbers seem acceptable and could get better with a complementary player on the other side.
Bigger and faster! That is needed. Bigger than Shepard. Faster than most of what they have.
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and bringing both Pio and Pulley to camp, hopefully with a true starter ahead of them. Then let Pulley/Pio battle it out for the backup spot and/or try to trade one (a la Brett Jones) in August.
I think they’d save over $2M if they cut Pulley with no dead money. I think that’s a no brained, after you draft your future starter at Center
$2M isn't much, especially since his total cap hit is only $2.75M. You need depth, especially if you want to rely on an unproven rookie. And while Pulley isn't starting material, he's a solid backup and you can do a lot worse.
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and bringing both Pio and Pulley to camp, hopefully with a true starter ahead of them. Then let Pulley/Pio battle it out for the backup spot and/or try to trade one (a la Brett Jones) in August.
I think they’d save over $2M if they cut Pulley with no dead money. I think that’s a no brained, after you draft your future starter at Center
$2M isn't much, especially since his total cap hit is only $2.75M. You need depth, especially if you want to rely on an unproven rookie. And while Pulley isn't starting material, he's a solid backup and you can do a lot worse.
You can also do a lot better, and that's what the Giants should be focused on...doing a lot better.
You can also do a lot better, and that's what the Giants should be focused on...doing a lot better.
Sure, but at what cost? I agree they need to spend the resources (FA $$ or draft) to get a legit starting caliber C, but you want them to also find a high end backup (which is basically a top 30-40 C) in the same offseason? I don't think Pulley/Halapio are that bad, and if you're adding a vet C in that range he's probably costing more than the $2M in cap savings (which is really <$1.5M since you have to replace Pulley on the 53 man roster with at least a min salary player).
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You can also do a lot better, and that's what the Giants should be focused on...doing a lot better.
Sure, but at what cost? I agree they need to spend the resources (FA $$ or draft) to get a legit starting caliber C, but you want them to also find a high end backup (which is basically a top 30-40 C) in the same offseason? I don't think Pulley/Halapio are that bad, and if you're adding a vet C in that range he's probably costing more than the $2M in cap savings (which is really <$1.5M since you have to replace Pulley on the 53 man roster with at least a min salary player).
I've said many times that one guy I'd like them to target in free agency is C/RG Ted Karras (NE, 27). He'd be a big step up from Pio and Pulley. That's in addition to making OC a priority in the draft. Not as big a priority as, say, OT, but a priority nonetheless, day two or three.
Halapio: he isn’t nearly as good as DG or Shurmur thought he was, he should not be brought back.
Coleman and Latimer: I’d rather sign Core and draft a WR.