for Judge, if you only compare their first month starting with press conference, staff hires, initial media rounds; it's impossible not to come away with the feeling that Shurmur (nice guy, as he may be) is lost as a head football coach.
Nothing he said or did inspired the least bit of confidence. Judge, on the other hand has so far won the vote of public confidence which is obviously the only thing he can do at this point. No small task either given the way the events unfolded with NYG fan and media favorite Matt Rhule.
I still feel there were too many factions going on for a very long time with the Giants with each blaming the other creating the whole mess.
I actually was okay with the Shurmur hire but it was clear early on he did not have it. Thought he would have learned from the first experience.
I think Mara pushed the hire because he wanted a coach with HC experience after McAdoo and that Shurmur would be best to try to maximize the two years left with Eli and groom the next QB. Very happy they cut bait. I really thought he would get that third year.
Judge to me signifies they are committed to building via the draft long term and that they will be very patient with him. The good thing is that Judge will not let the team or himself be patient with winning imo.
Promoting McAdoo and keeping the entire staff
Keeping Jerry Reese when firing Coughlin
One of the absolute worst head coaching searches in 2018
Hiring a career loser like Shurmur
The Manning transition was a mess
... at least it finally feels like the franchise has rebooted under Joe Judge.
has final say, but Gettleman still runs the football operations.
Do you think Gettleman had a problem with Shurmur or signed off on him and Shula and Bettcher? I would say the latter.
I do think Gettleman was on board with Shurmur but two things need to be stated. One, Mara still makes the final decision and, two, have the Giants EVER said no to hiring an assistant coach? Not to my memory. That is and has always been up to the head coach. Now, if we look at Coughlin we can see that there was pressure to make decisions after the fact but never in the initial hiring process.
We can kill Gettleman for many things, Shurmur's assistants are not one of them.
Which is why I actually think Judge has more power than Gettleman at this point regardless of titles and perceived NYG org structure.
Your later point is pure (yet common) speculation at this point. We have no idea if there REALLY has been a change in the organizational power structure. Indeed, at least publicly, Gettleman's words indicate nothing has changed.
RE: RE: I also don't believe Mara saw how badly things had gotten screwed up
Which is why I actually think Judge has more power than Gettleman at this point regardless of titles and perceived NYG org structure.
Your later point is pure (yet common) speculation at this point. We have no idea if there REALLY has been a change in the organizational power structure. Indeed, at least publicly, Gettleman's words indicate nothing has changed.
Yep, understood.
Although Mara's comments about the status quo not being acceptable, or something to that effect, indicate things might be different.
It's hard to win during a complete roster overhaul and forced to play an aging, franchise legend who turned into an anchor both on the field and on the salary cap.
But how often has an organization ever "rebooted" or tried to win while "rebuilding"... the strategy post McAdoo was flawed from the start.
It speaks volumes that Gettleman chose Shurmur and green-lit his assistant choices the last 2 years. That's on DG 100% and I'm not sure the appropriate fire has been lit under him.
Whether it was Mara's call or Gettleman's call to try to piecemeal a rebuild and win, it doesn't matter at this point but...
History has shown you need to blow it all up to rebuild it, and we're only now in the first stages of doing that by drafting a qb and young defensive talent...
This is a big year for the future. I'm of the opinion they should have jettisoned Gettleman too, but if this draft and FA don't produce a marked improvement next year...(I think we need to be .500) he's gone, and round-and-round we go...
I thought I read that the Giants had been in more NFL Championship games than any other franchise.
I’d guess most if not all of those 13 losses were in championship games. If (no time to check right now) that record was, say 8 - 9 instead, that would be 4 more NFL Championships.
I thought I read that the Giants had been in more NFL Championship games than any other franchise.
I’d guess most if not all of those 13 losses were in championship games. If (no time to check right now) that record was, say 8 - 9 instead, that would be 4 more NFL Championships.
Promoting McAdoo and keeping the entire staff
Keeping Jerry Reese when firing Coughlin
One of the absolute worst head coaching searches in 2018
Hiring a career loser like Shurmur
The Manning transition was a mess
... at least it finally feels like the franchise has rebooted under Joe Judge.
You're right, its been a total disaster since Coughlin got fired
But how often has an organization ever "rebooted" or tried to win while "rebuilding"... the strategy post McAdoo was flawed from the start.
It speaks volumes that Gettleman chose Shurmur and green-lit his assistant choices the last 2 years. That's on DG 100% and I'm not sure the appropriate fire has been lit under him.
Whether it was Mara's call or Gettleman's call to try to piecemeal a rebuild and win, it doesn't matter at this point but...
History has shown you need to blow it all up to rebuild it, and we're only now in the first stages of doing that by drafting a qb and young defensive talent...
This is a big year for the future. I'm of the opinion they should have jettisoned Gettleman too, but if this draft and FA don't produce a marked improvement next year...(I think we need to be .500) he's gone, and round-and-round we go...
The "win while re-building" thing was never a strategy - it was just a talking point. No one comes out and says we are blowing this thing up so don't expect us to win much for a couple of years.
Literally the worst winning% of any Giant coach other than Arnsparger.
Blame "rebuilding" all you want, but as poor as the talent has been the last couple of years, was this really the 2nd worst roster in the history of the franchise? I doubt it.
Shurmur had to go. No one trusted he could be a championship coach even with improved talent.
Historically-speaking it's very unlikely Judge won't be an improvement over Shurmur... that's comforting I think.
but he was only HC for 4 games and was thrust in unexpectedly as interim, so I'm still comfortable saying Shurmur was 2nd worst NYG HC of all time from a results perspective.
A huge impact on player performance. I tend to reserve criticism on Gettleman because I think this coaching staff was so poor.
But Gettleman hired the coaching staff.
Gettleman did not hire the coaching staff. He certainly had input around the Shurmur hire but that was ultimately a Mara decision. Also, one of the reasons the Giants front office decided to fire Shurmur was that they were not happy with the coaching staff Shurmur selected. I know there were some holdovers from the previous regime but Shurmur was mostly responsible for the coaching staff he assembled, which was atrocious (particularly on the defensive side of the ball).
On a coaching staff, but still do well building a roster
If your GM hires the wrong coaching staff, then you have a problem.
It's not easy finding good coaches. Similar to player evaluation. It's not close to an exact science.
When we hired Coughlin, it was like the stars were aligned. Former Parcells disciple turning around two moribund programs and sitting on his couch in boxers and wife beater with his stop watch.
The recent coaches felt like throwing darts at the board.
Promoting McAdoo and keeping the entire staff
Keeping Jerry Reese when firing Coughlin
One of the absolute worst head coaching searches in 2018
Hiring a career loser like Shurmur
The Manning transition was a mess
... at least it finally feels like the franchise has rebooted under Joe Judge.
You're right, its been a total disaster since Coughlin got fired
It's been a total disaster since a few years before Coughlin got fired.
with his bizzare handling of Davis Webb and the backup QB situation
It's quite possible signing OBJ was Shurmer's call. "Hey Dave, OBJ has been a standup team guy all summer and we seem to have a good rapport..." Meanwhile a narcissist like OBJ found a rube like Shurmer to be an easy prey and victim for his manipulations.
was not the first choice hire. he was third, or maybe even fourth. their first choices turned them down. then they hired shurmur and cobbled a staff together with him, since he had no people of his own.
it's kind of similar to how the giants hired judge after waiting to fire shurmur and missed out on riverea, and were beat to the punch for rhule by carolina.
I don't agree with anyone who says (1) Gettleman didn't have a role/say in hiring the coaches, and (2) Shurmur did not discuss his coaching staff preferences with Gettleman.
I don't agree with anyone who says (1) Gettleman didn't have a role/say in hiring the coaches, and (2) Shurmur did not discuss his coaching staff preferences with Gettleman.
I go one step further. DG recommends who he wanted as the HC and Mara/Tisch are essentially rubber stamps.
And while I trust DG's judgment less and less, that's how it should be with a typical football operation. GM's own the hiring process and the talent acquisition process...
I don't agree with anyone who says (1) Gettleman didn't have a role/say in hiring the coaches, and (2) Shurmur did not discuss his coaching staff preferences with Gettleman.
I go one step further. DG recommends who he wanted as the HC and Mara/Tisch are essentially rubber stamps.
And while I trust DG's judgment less and less, that's how it should be with a typical football operation. GM's own the hiring process and the talent acquisition process...
That should not be the case. Football is different than most orgs, the coach is the central figure who should be calling the shots, and the GM is a scout/admin/finance setter of hot dog guy.
It's even more pronounce in college football when you compare a Saban or Myer to an Athletics Director.
I don't agree with anyone who says (1) Gettleman didn't have a role/say in hiring the coaches, and (2) Shurmur did not discuss his coaching staff preferences with Gettleman.
That's kind of twisting words there. I 100% said Gettleman was part of the process but ultimately Mara makes the decision. Mara has said so.
Also, how many times has Mara said the HC picks his staff? How many times have we heard anything contrary to that? That doesn't mean it wasn't discussed but how does this fall on Gettleman? Again, blame him for many other clear cut things but not this. Why would a GM have control over who a HC hires? The HC is the one that has to work with them every day not the GM. Gettleman has never coached well nothing above, what, HS? That's not his expertise. Was he told about the assistants? Were they discussed prior to the hirings? I'm sure all that is true but who is he to say no? We know how these things go. We see it often now. How many people get bent out of shape that other teams are making hires are we are "asleep at the wheel"? Timing is HUGE when it comes to coaching hires. When Shurmur was available the pool sucked for the most part. This was a different year.
I’m sure he asked about his assistants and it was likely that Bettcher and Stefaniski were the names mentioned. Shula was a fall back and clearly not choice A. Bettcher appeared as a quality hire at the time and Stefaniski probably would have been. Didn’t work out. But nothing can save a bad HC and Shurmur was.
Gettleman clearly deserves some blame for hiring Shurmur.
It was also an odd year search with the “major” contenders all being playoff coordinators and that hurt the process a bit and likely with the names considered for coordinators.
I would note that the “major” contenders weren’t some hot sauce though. Wilks, Patricia, McDaniels, we’re a great lot. The Giants should have interviewed Vrabel and Reich but no one had them and they got traction later in the cycle when things broke oddly.
But I’m not sure 1 bad HC hiring is the end all be all of a GM tenure. Plenty of guys nailed #2. Gettleman better because he isn’t getting a third.
Only 3 head coaches with winning records since "Goodby Allie" rang through Yankee Stadium: Parcells, Fassel and Coughlin. I think it is an ownership problem, and it started with Wellington Mara. As visionary as he was in recognizing that the prosperity of individual teams was tied to the league, he really did a lousy job with the football operation. While I find John to be intelligent and certainly well intentioned (I believe he really wants to win) I agree with most on this board that his big picture decisions have created an uninspiring record. He seems to have the same loyalty-based blinders his dad developed. I don't know enough about Joe Judge and his hires to draw any conclusions; I only know that previous choices looked great at the times the Maras made them, only to turn out to be not so much.
I don't know what to make of Tisch's role. He's no football man, that's for sure. And I don't know enough about his business to know whether he is simply riding on what his father built, or if he is a success in his own right. If it's the latter, that is good news to me, because it probably means he is good at spotting, attracting and retaining talent. I believe that is a skill that is portable, i.e., can be applied to a variety of businesses. So if he is becoming more involved in these high level personnel decisions, that is not necessarily bad (if he is in fact a successful businessman and not just a lucky heir).
Mara personally fired Hufnagle right from under Coughlin and elevated Gilbride. Later on McAdoo was hired to replace Gilbride. That did not appear be Coughlin's choice. If Giant's management micromanaged the staff for an established coach like Coughlin, I think we can assume they had a large influence on which assistants were hired.
RE: Mara/Reese hired and fired Coughlin's assistants
Mara personally fired Hufnagle right from under Coughlin and elevated Gilbride. Later on McAdoo was hired to replace Gilbride. That did not appear be Coughlin's choice. If Giant's management micromanaged the staff for an established coach like Coughlin, I think we can assume they had a large influence on which assistants were hired.
Coughlin's choice would have been to keep Gilbride in place, which would have been completely unacceptable. I doubt that Giants are much different than any other franchise - they'll let their head coach pick his staff and then step in when something is not working.
Look, This Is What You Get When You Run a Search Like the Giants Did
In 2018, the pool of coaching candidates was pretty weak. This year, in contrast, it was pretty strong, though we went with someone who seemed to be, by all accounts, at the bottom of the pile. But at least we ran a real search, and Joe Judge sounds like an actual coach. Shurmur never inspired confidence in me and always seemed scared of the media.
The Giants obviously ran no real GM search in 2018. We interviewed the second in command (Marc Ross), who was fired by Gettleman almost immediately, and someone who by all accounts stopped doing his job diligently. Then we interviewed Abrams, who was never a real candidate for the job but was ticketed to stay on with whomever we hired for the job. Riddick was interviewed, but it was clear he told the Maras that it was time to move on from Manning, and that was not something they wanted to hear.
Lastly, we interviewed DG, who got the job because of his connections to the Giants and Accorsi. We did not interview a single candidate who was even employed that season, and we did not wait for the season to end before hiring DG. The rationale seemed to be that we did not want to lose out on our candidate, which was ridiculous because no one else seemed to want DG, and it did not give us a leg up on our coaches, as we had to wait until the end of the POs to get Shurmur, and other coaches accepted other jobs.
I believe that DG is still here, in large part, because ownership mandated that he bring back Eli (and because Jones looks like he could develop into a franchise guy). Otherwise, I do not see why we would have allowed him to come back, after the things he has said to the media and the team's record the past two years.
But to be fair he had as bad a roster as I've ever seen in all my years as a fan. Lombardy himself couldn't have put them near .500. I'm surprised he won as many as he did.
But Gettleman hired the coaching staff.
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A huge impact on player performance. I tend to reserve criticism on Gettleman because I think this coaching staff was so poor.
But Gettleman hired the coaching staff.
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A huge impact on player performance. I tend to reserve criticism on Gettleman because I think this coaching staff was so poor.
But Gettleman hired the coaching staff.
Did he? He was part of the process and most likely agreed but doesn't that ultimately reside with Mara?
Nothing he said or did inspired the least bit of confidence. Judge, on the other hand has so far won the vote of public confidence which is obviously the only thing he can do at this point. No small task either given the way the events unfolded with NYG fan and media favorite Matt Rhule.
If that is a fact, I have to give some slack to Shurmur. No Head Coach should be saddled with a staff that's selected by someone else.
I actually was okay with the Shurmur hire but it was clear early on he did not have it. Thought he would have learned from the first experience.
I think Mara pushed the hire because he wanted a coach with HC experience after McAdoo and that Shurmur would be best to try to maximize the two years left with Eli and groom the next QB. Very happy they cut bait. I really thought he would get that third year.
Judge to me signifies they are committed to building via the draft long term and that they will be very patient with him. The good thing is that Judge will not let the team or himself be patient with winning imo.
Do you think Gettleman had a problem with Shurmur or signed off on him and Shula and Bettcher? I would say the latter.
If your GM hires the wrong coaching staff, then you have a problem.
Keeping Jerry Reese when firing Coughlin
One of the absolute worst head coaching searches in 2018
Hiring a career loser like Shurmur
The Manning transition was a mess
... at least it finally feels like the franchise has rebooted under Joe Judge.
Do you think Gettleman had a problem with Shurmur or signed off on him and Shula and Bettcher? I would say the latter.
I do think Gettleman was on board with Shurmur but two things need to be stated. One, Mara still makes the final decision and, two, have the Giants EVER said no to hiring an assistant coach? Not to my memory. That is and has always been up to the head coach. Now, if we look at Coughlin we can see that there was pressure to make decisions after the fact but never in the initial hiring process.
We can kill Gettleman for many things, Shurmur's assistants are not one of them.
It's hard to blame Gettleman if he's just the guy who hires the coach the owner wants, and the players the coach wants.
Depending on the press conference, my opinion on who he appears to be changes.
Which is why I actually think Judge has more power than Gettleman at this point regardless of titles and perceived NYG org structure.
The answer to that question has to be one of the determining factors in whether or not to hire the HC.
Which is why I actually think Judge has more power than Gettleman at this point regardless of titles and perceived NYG org structure.
Your later point is pure (yet common) speculation at this point. We have no idea if there REALLY has been a change in the organizational power structure. Indeed, at least publicly, Gettleman's words indicate nothing has changed.
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until this season went south.
Which is why I actually think Judge has more power than Gettleman at this point regardless of titles and perceived NYG org structure.
Your later point is pure (yet common) speculation at this point. We have no idea if there REALLY has been a change in the organizational power structure. Indeed, at least publicly, Gettleman's words indicate nothing has changed.
Yep, understood.
Although Mara's comments about the status quo not being acceptable, or something to that effect, indicate things might be different.
But you can't put it all on him.
It's hard to win during a complete roster overhaul and forced to play an aging, franchise legend who turned into an anchor both on the field and on the salary cap.
It speaks volumes that Gettleman chose Shurmur and green-lit his assistant choices the last 2 years. That's on DG 100% and I'm not sure the appropriate fire has been lit under him.
Whether it was Mara's call or Gettleman's call to try to piecemeal a rebuild and win, it doesn't matter at this point but...
History has shown you need to blow it all up to rebuild it, and we're only now in the first stages of doing that by drafting a qb and young defensive talent...
This is a big year for the future. I'm of the opinion they should have jettisoned Gettleman too, but if this draft and FA don't produce a marked improvement next year...(I think we need to be .500) he's gone, and round-and-round we go...
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On a coaching staff, but still do well building a roster
If your GM hires the wrong coaching staff, then you have a problem.
It's not easy finding good coaches. Similar to player evaluation. It's not close to an exact science.
Talk about “Lost Rings”
I thought I read that the Giants had been in more NFL Championship games than any other franchise.
I’d guess most if not all of those 13 losses were in championship games. If (no time to check right now) that record was, say 8 - 9 instead, that would be 4 more NFL Championships.
Ugh!
Talk about “Lost Rings”
I thought I read that the Giants had been in more NFL Championship games than any other franchise.
I’d guess most if not all of those 13 losses were in championship games. If (no time to check right now) that record was, say 8 - 9 instead, that would be 4 more NFL Championships.
Ugh!
Go to the bottom of this page and look at Championship Game Appearances...
https://www.bigblueinteractive.com/information-pages/new-york-giants-annual-records/ - ( New Window )
Keeping Jerry Reese when firing Coughlin
One of the absolute worst head coaching searches in 2018
Hiring a career loser like Shurmur
The Manning transition was a mess
... at least it finally feels like the franchise has rebooted under Joe Judge.
You're right, its been a total disaster since Coughlin got fired
It speaks volumes that Gettleman chose Shurmur and green-lit his assistant choices the last 2 years. That's on DG 100% and I'm not sure the appropriate fire has been lit under him.
Whether it was Mara's call or Gettleman's call to try to piecemeal a rebuild and win, it doesn't matter at this point but...
History has shown you need to blow it all up to rebuild it, and we're only now in the first stages of doing that by drafting a qb and young defensive talent...
This is a big year for the future. I'm of the opinion they should have jettisoned Gettleman too, but if this draft and FA don't produce a marked improvement next year...(I think we need to be .500) he's gone, and round-and-round we go...
The "win while re-building" thing was never a strategy - it was just a talking point. No one comes out and says we are blowing this thing up so don't expect us to win much for a couple of years.
Blame "rebuilding" all you want, but as poor as the talent has been the last couple of years, was this really the 2nd worst roster in the history of the franchise? I doubt it.
Shurmur had to go. No one trusted he could be a championship coach even with improved talent.
Historically-speaking it's very unlikely Judge won't be an improvement over Shurmur... that's comforting I think.
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A huge impact on player performance. I tend to reserve criticism on Gettleman because I think this coaching staff was so poor.
But Gettleman hired the coaching staff.
Gettleman did not hire the coaching staff. He certainly had input around the Shurmur hire but that was ultimately a Mara decision. Also, one of the reasons the Giants front office decided to fire Shurmur was that they were not happy with the coaching staff Shurmur selected. I know there were some holdovers from the previous regime but Shurmur was mostly responsible for the coaching staff he assembled, which was atrocious (particularly on the defensive side of the ball).
The answer to that question has to be one of the determining factors in whether or not to hire the HC.
You'd think but not sure how anybody can put much weight in that after seeing Judge. No way he was linked to Garrett or any of his guys.
The answer to that question has to be one of the determining factors in whether or not to hire the HC.
Maybe if you’re on the fence with the HC in the first place.
If you want the HC you’re trusting him to build his own staff, not combing over his top 5 OC choices.
And what if he doesn’t get the OC or DC he touted in the interview? Revoke the HC offer?
This is ridiculous.
Gettleman (or Maras) well maybe mortal and not able to constantly defy the odds like Belichik.
Why did the Giants fire Coughlin again.
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On a coaching staff, but still do well building a roster
If your GM hires the wrong coaching staff, then you have a problem.
It's not easy finding good coaches. Similar to player evaluation. It's not close to an exact science.
When we hired Coughlin, it was like the stars were aligned. Former Parcells disciple turning around two moribund programs and sitting on his couch in boxers and wife beater with his stop watch.
The recent coaches felt like throwing darts at the board.
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Promoting McAdoo and keeping the entire staff
Keeping Jerry Reese when firing Coughlin
One of the absolute worst head coaching searches in 2018
Hiring a career loser like Shurmur
The Manning transition was a mess
... at least it finally feels like the franchise has rebooted under Joe Judge.
You're right, its been a total disaster since Coughlin got fired
It's been a total disaster since a few years before Coughlin got fired.
It's quite possible signing OBJ was Shurmer's call. "Hey Dave, OBJ has been a standup team guy all summer and we seem to have a good rapport..." Meanwhile a narcissist like OBJ found a rube like Shurmer to be an easy prey and victim for his manipulations.
it's kind of similar to how the giants hired judge after waiting to fire shurmur and missed out on riverea, and were beat to the punch for rhule by carolina.
I go one step further. DG recommends who he wanted as the HC and Mara/Tisch are essentially rubber stamps.
And while I trust DG's judgment less and less, that's how it should be with a typical football operation. GM's own the hiring process and the talent acquisition process...
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I don't agree with anyone who says (1) Gettleman didn't have a role/say in hiring the coaches, and (2) Shurmur did not discuss his coaching staff preferences with Gettleman.
I go one step further. DG recommends who he wanted as the HC and Mara/Tisch are essentially rubber stamps.
And while I trust DG's judgment less and less, that's how it should be with a typical football operation. GM's own the hiring process and the talent acquisition process...
That should not be the case. Football is different than most orgs, the coach is the central figure who should be calling the shots, and the GM is a scout/admin/finance setter of hot dog guy.
It's even more pronounce in college football when you compare a Saban or Myer to an Athletics Director.
That's kind of twisting words there. I 100% said Gettleman was part of the process but ultimately Mara makes the decision. Mara has said so.
Also, how many times has Mara said the HC picks his staff? How many times have we heard anything contrary to that? That doesn't mean it wasn't discussed but how does this fall on Gettleman? Again, blame him for many other clear cut things but not this. Why would a GM have control over who a HC hires? The HC is the one that has to work with them every day not the GM. Gettleman has never coached well nothing above, what, HS? That's not his expertise. Was he told about the assistants? Were they discussed prior to the hirings? I'm sure all that is true but who is he to say no? We know how these things go. We see it often now. How many people get bent out of shape that other teams are making hires are we are "asleep at the wheel"? Timing is HUGE when it comes to coaching hires. When Shurmur was available the pool sucked for the most part. This was a different year.
I’m sure he asked about his assistants and it was likely that Bettcher and Stefaniski were the names mentioned. Shula was a fall back and clearly not choice A. Bettcher appeared as a quality hire at the time and Stefaniski probably would have been. Didn’t work out. But nothing can save a bad HC and Shurmur was.
Gettleman clearly deserves some blame for hiring Shurmur.
It was also an odd year search with the “major” contenders all being playoff coordinators and that hurt the process a bit and likely with the names considered for coordinators.
I would note that the “major” contenders weren’t some hot sauce though. Wilks, Patricia, McDaniels, we’re a great lot. The Giants should have interviewed Vrabel and Reich but no one had them and they got traction later in the cycle when things broke oddly.
But I’m not sure 1 bad HC hiring is the end all be all of a GM tenure. Plenty of guys nailed #2. Gettleman better because he isn’t getting a third.
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A huge impact on player performance. I tend to reserve criticism on Gettleman because I think this coaching staff was so poor.
But Gettleman hired the coaching staff.
No he didn’t. He may officially be the front man for the decision but that’s a Mara call all the way.
I don't know what to make of Tisch's role. He's no football man, that's for sure. And I don't know enough about his business to know whether he is simply riding on what his father built, or if he is a success in his own right. If it's the latter, that is good news to me, because it probably means he is good at spotting, attracting and retaining talent. I believe that is a skill that is portable, i.e., can be applied to a variety of businesses. So if he is becoming more involved in these high level personnel decisions, that is not necessarily bad (if he is in fact a successful businessman and not just a lucky heir).
The Giants obviously ran no real GM search in 2018. We interviewed the second in command (Marc Ross), who was fired by Gettleman almost immediately, and someone who by all accounts stopped doing his job diligently. Then we interviewed Abrams, who was never a real candidate for the job but was ticketed to stay on with whomever we hired for the job. Riddick was interviewed, but it was clear he told the Maras that it was time to move on from Manning, and that was not something they wanted to hear.
Lastly, we interviewed DG, who got the job because of his connections to the Giants and Accorsi. We did not interview a single candidate who was even employed that season, and we did not wait for the season to end before hiring DG. The rationale seemed to be that we did not want to lose out on our candidate, which was ridiculous because no one else seemed to want DG, and it did not give us a leg up on our coaches, as we had to wait until the end of the POs to get Shurmur, and other coaches accepted other jobs.
I believe that DG is still here, in large part, because ownership mandated that he bring back Eli (and because Jones looks like he could develop into a franchise guy). Otherwise, I do not see why we would have allowed him to come back, after the things he has said to the media and the team's record the past two years.
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A huge impact on player performance. I tend to reserve criticism on Gettleman because I think this coaching staff was so poor.
But Gettleman hired the coaching staff.
I don’t think that’s true. Sounds more like Mara leads that process.
This era has had several perpetrators.