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NFT: Rangers/Hurricanes swap prospects

Anakim : 2/18/2020 12:03 pm
Pierre LeBrun
@PierreVLeBrun
Carolina has dealt Julien Gauthier to the Rangers for Joey Keane. Prospects deal.


From what I've heard, Keane was absolutely fantastic in Hartford. Pretty unfamiliar with Gauthier.
Gauthier is a couple of years older than Keane, but he looks primed  
Anakim : 2/18/2020 12:05 pm : link
for his NHL shot

Dan Rosen
@drosennhl
Rangers trade D Joey Keane to Carolina for F Julien Gauthier, 22, who has 26 goals in 44 games with Charlotte in the AHL this season. Gauthier is fourth in the AHL in goals. He was Carolina's first-round pick (No. 21) in 2016.
Must make sense  
Giantophile : 2/18/2020 12:18 pm : link
because the Rangers have a glut of D prospects but yeah, I was just hearing how highly regarded Keane was in the organization so a little surprising. This guy they traded for must be tantalizing for them to move Keane.
Worst trade of all time.  
BrettNYG10 : 2/18/2020 12:21 pm : link
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RE: Worst trade of all time.  
Anakim : 2/18/2020 12:23 pm : link
In comment 14813281 BrettNYG10 said:
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No, that would be Ryan "Master of the +/-" Graves for Chris Bigras
Dealing from a position of strength with Keane  
Kyle in NY : 2/18/2020 12:29 pm : link
Gauthier has 26 goals in the AHL this season. 6'4 and a good skater. Intriguing
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I never understood why they never gave Graves a shot  
Greg from LI : 2/18/2020 12:34 pm : link
Was perplexing at the time and infuriating now.
Anyway, about this trade...  
Greg from LI : 2/18/2020 12:37 pm : link
From what I'm reading, Gauthier's power/skating combo makes him sound like a Kreider replacement. Wonder if this deal is leading up to a Kreider deal.
RE: I never understood why they never gave Graves a shot  
BrettNYG10 : 2/18/2020 12:38 pm : link
In comment 14813299 Greg from LI said:
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Was perplexing at the time and infuriating now.


Not the Rangers fault that they had seven elite dmen ahead of him who played superb defensive hockey and weren't total fucking sleds.
Worst trade of all time was.....  
No Where Man : 2/18/2020 12:55 pm : link
Rick Middleton for Ken Hodge
my thought too, Greg  
ColHowPepper : 2/18/2020 12:59 pm : link
We've no choice to believe JD and JG know what they're doing here, but it will be a bitter pill if it doesn't work out. Staal and Girardi were ridiculous contracts, Shatt was a ridiculous buy-out...and now Henrik is left to reap the whirlwind, in more ways than one, of not going that route.

This year may not be franchise defining for the medium term, but if not, it'll come damn close
RE: Worst trade of all time was.....  
Jay in Toronto : 2/18/2020 12:59 pm : link
In comment 14813328 No Where Man said:
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Rick Middleton for Ken Hodge


That era -- giving away Park and Ratelle. Criminal
the other aspect of the Gauthier/Keane trade  
ColHowPepper : 2/18/2020 1:09 pm : link
Hartford staff have done a very nice job this year. They have had opportunity to get a good read on the kid.
Yeah, and if we hadn't landed Espo we'd have never traded  
yatqb : 2/18/2020 1:09 pm : link
for Hodge. Ugly.
RE: Anyway, about this trade...  
vonritz : 2/18/2020 1:12 pm : link
In comment 14813303 Greg from LI said:
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From what I'm reading, Gauthier's power/skating combo makes him sound like a Kreider replacement. Wonder if this deal is leading up to a Kreider deal.


He's a RW. More of a Fast replacement.
Julien Gauthier  
Ross : 2/18/2020 1:16 pm : link
was a first round pick a few years ago and considered on of thier better prospects. I'll be interested to see if he gets a shot with he Rangers after the deadline.
yes, he's a RW while Kreider is a LW  
Greg from LI : 2/18/2020 1:21 pm : link
But I mean in terms of his style of play, what he brings to the table. Which side he plays on doesn't particularly matter in that respect.
Honestly, his scouting report is almost identical  
Greg from LI : 2/18/2020 1:25 pm : link
With the caveat that, while a good skater, he doesn't have the pure speed Kreider has. I keep seeing him described as a big, strong kid who can skate and shoot. Can score goals despite not having the highest hockey IQ or elite puck skills.

That's very similar to the kind of prospect Kreider was.

I guess they really are excited about Nils Lundqvist to be willing to deal Keane after he had such a terrific season in Hartford.
Greg, how about we add more size up front rather than  
yatqb : 2/18/2020 1:26 pm : link
sub one for another? Time for us to develop a physical presence to go along with our skill up front.
it's possible  
Greg from LI : 2/18/2020 1:30 pm : link
I'm on record as saying I'd rather keep Kreider and create cap space by dealing either Trouba or Skjei. I don't think Gorton's going that route, though. Just a guy feeling.
I think that Skjei might be in play but would be surprised  
yatqb : 2/18/2020 1:32 pm : link
if they traded Trouba unless the got a fantastic offer.
RE: yes, he's a RW while Kreider is a LW  
Jay in Toronto : 2/18/2020 1:45 pm : link
In comment 14813371 Greg from LI said:
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But I mean in terms of his style of play, what he brings to the table. Which side he plays on doesn't particularly matter in that respect.


Like if he can screen on power plays etc
Trouba's been such a disappointment  
Greg from LI : 2/18/2020 1:52 pm : link
And maybe it's not his fault - seems like every defenseman the Rangers jettison plays better elsewhere, so there likely is something wrong at MSG. Still, if he continues to play as he has this year, he's going to be a total boat anchor for a long time once that NMC kicks in this summer.
I'd love to pair Trouba with a very solid defensive defenseman.  
yatqb : 2/18/2020 1:55 pm : link
I think that Skjei has hurt his game. He's so damn inconsistent.
imo, his play was much, much better when paired with Lindgren  
ColHowPepper : 2/18/2020 2:12 pm : link
for three games, before DQ switched him back with Skjei beginning with the Wild, or maybe Jets. I did not understand the move at all.
Gauthier  
Professor Falken : 2/18/2020 2:52 pm : link
two weeks ago.
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Professor  
Jay in Toronto : 2/18/2020 3:23 pm : link
Great find! I'm smiling :)
hmm  
Ross : 2/18/2020 3:32 pm : link
Gauthier not assigned to Hartford and is with the big club.

Fast going soo?
RE: hmm  
Jay in Toronto : 2/18/2020 3:36 pm : link
In comment 14813508 Ross said:
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Gauthier not assigned to Hartford and is with the big club.

Fast going soo?


Indeed. He's been assigned a uni #
Seems like the Bruins and Avalanche are the frontrunners in the Kreid  
Anakim : 2/18/2020 3:40 pm : link
sweepstakes.


Bruins should include Studnicka and their first

Avalanche should Newhook and their first, but it'll probably be Kaut, not Newhook
Bruins don't seem to have much that's appealing to deal  
Greg from LI : 2/18/2020 3:48 pm : link
For that and other reasons, would much prefer a deal with Colorado.
Trouba  
PaulN : 2/18/2020 4:08 pm : link
Is fine, he don't need to score to be effective, like some. He is getting 22 min. per game. The trade is a fomer 3rd rounder for a 1st who has 26 goals and is 6'4", exactly what we need, give JD a chance here, this is year 1 for JD and Gorton working together.
Trouba  
PaulN : 2/18/2020 4:11 pm : link
Is fine, he don't need to score to be effective, like some. He is getting 22 min. per game. The trade is a fomer 3rd rounder for a 1st who has 26 goals and is 6'4", exactly what we need, give JD a chance here, this is year 1 for JD and Gorton working together.
I don't think the Avs  
JPinstripes : 2/18/2020 4:12 pm : link
are parting with Newhook in ANY trade as the kid projects by all accounts as a top 2C.

a 1st plus a B type prospect will be a fair return for CK20 as a rental.

If NYR can not resign Kreider in the next day or two, he is a MUST trade.
Trouba has not been fine  
Greg from LI : 2/18/2020 4:35 pm : link
He's been a below average defenseman by every metric.
RE: I don't think the Avs  
Anakim : 2/18/2020 4:36 pm : link
In comment 14813558 JPinstripes said:
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are parting with Newhook in ANY trade as the kid projects by all accounts as a top 2C.

a 1st plus a B type prospect will be a fair return for CK20 as a rental.

If NYR can not resign Kreider in the next day or two, he is a MUST trade.


No, probably not. Maybe Kreider, Lias Andersson and Georgiev for Newhook and a first?
Trouba needs to play with a competent partner....  
Torrag : 2/18/2020 4:44 pm : link
and that ain't Skjei.
I read somewhere that CK’s agent is talking contract with both the  
yatqb : 2/18/2020 4:44 pm : link
Bruins and Avs.
I read the Avs  
pjcas18 : 2/18/2020 4:49 pm : link
might look to move Martin Kaut over Newhook.

Man, tough choice. I like both.

Newhook can play C, is younger, maybe a little more dynamic - dominating NCAA as a freshman.

Kaut bigger, a wing, but not really more physical, holding his own in the AHL.

Trouba is supposed to be the competent partner that elevates the  
Greg from LI : 2/18/2020 4:54 pm : link
other guy's game. Isn't that why he got the huge contract?
Anyone know  
Jay in Toronto : 2/18/2020 5:21 pm : link
of a good Rangers fan discussion board?
My guess is that they're still planning on trading a wing - Kreider or  
Ira : 2/18/2020 5:38 pm : link
Fast. Gauthier can provide depth.
RE: My guess is that they're still planning on trading a wing - Kreider or  
JPinstripes : 2/18/2020 5:46 pm : link
In comment 14813630 Ira said:
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Fast. Gauthier can provide depth.


I doubt CK plays another game until he is either re-signed or traded.
BTW....somewhat off topic  
Greg from LI : 2/18/2020 5:53 pm : link
Buchnevich's cross check of Marchand has been wildly celebrated virtually everywhere online. A post on the r/hockey subred got 1500+ posts, almost all laudatory, and the YouTube clip of it has 3.1K likes versus all of 68 dislikes. That's some ratio.
RE: RE: My guess is that they're still planning on trading a wing - Kreider or  
Jay in Toronto : 2/18/2020 6:14 pm : link
In comment 14813634 JPinstripes said:
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In comment 14813630 Ira said:


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Fast. Gauthier can provide depth.



I doubt CK plays another game until he is either re-signed or traded.


Not sure Fast is really a top 6 guy but Gauthier might be
Gauthier  
Phil in LA : 2/18/2020 6:16 pm : link
seems to have better hands that Kreider. And I'd rather keep Kreider, too.
Gauthier  
Phil in LA : 2/18/2020 6:16 pm : link
seems to have better hands that Kreider. And I'd rather keep Kreider, too.
Pronman  
Jay in Toronto : 2/18/2020 6:57 pm : link
likes both, Gauthier a bit more -- pressure to trade Gauthier because he will be waiver eligible next season. Some scouts question hi inconsistency. Hopefully Quinn can work his magic.
I like the move  
redbeard : 2/18/2020 10:14 pm : link
If the kid works out we have some serious beef coming up front between him, Kravtsov and Barron over the next year or two
I thought about going to the game  
Gman11 : 2/19/2020 7:59 am : link
on Friday, but then I remembered that I can see it on TV and shut it off when the game is over and not have to fight traffic to get out of the parking lot then drive for an hour to get home.
With 65"  
PaulN : 2/19/2020 8:44 am : link
High def tv's, at my age I stay home. Metrics are not a be all end all, and they change year to year, lets give him time, he will be fine.
RE: BTW....somewhat off topic  
BrettNYG10 : 2/19/2020 9:30 am : link
In comment 14813638 Greg from LI said:
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Buchnevich's cross check of Marchand has been wildly celebrated virtually everywhere online. A post on the r/hockey subred got 1500+ posts, almost all laudatory, and the YouTube clip of it has 3.1K likes versus all of 68 dislikes. That's some ratio.


One of the greatest moments in franchise history. Give him the max.
One point on Gauthier  
JPinstripes : 2/19/2020 9:30 am : link
is he needs to be protected in next year's expansion draft (2021), while Keane is exempt.

Not a huge deal, but a point nevertheless.
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DanMetroMan : 2/19/2020 12:31 pm : link

J.D. Burke
@JDylanBurke
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Feb 18
My instant reaction to this is that the New York Rangers get the better prospect out of this deal. I've long been a fan of Julien Gauthier's game. Took massive strides last season. Can't be far from being an everyday NHL contributor.
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