Mel Kiper mock draft 2.0: An unexpected twist of fate

makes this scenario unlikely. If they stay at #3 Okudah is the odds on favorite. The path to a QB going in that slot is the lions trading out.

Okudah is the worst case scenario for me and I am a big fan of his meaning I like all of our situations. If he and Young go then we still have plenty of options like OT, Simmons, and a trade down with the trade down being my preferred option (assuming we get good value and still get a great player by only moving down a few spots).

When has he been right on the money?? Let’s wait until the combine.

or Simmons Please

No OT in the 1st? No trade down?

No non non!

Or death! Unless QB goes 1-3 and Young is there, Wills has to be the pick.

no one is ever on the money. I think that is pretty much how it goes. I think there will be trade ups.

In comment 14814634 Joey in VA said:

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Or death! Unless QB goes 1-3 and Young is there, Wills has to be the pick.

Wills would be a tremendous reach in that scenario.

In comment 14814525 robbieballs2003 said:

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Okudah is the worst case scenario for me and I am a big fan of his meaning I like all of our situations. If he and Young go then we still have plenty of options like OT, Simmons, and a trade down with the trade down being my preferred option (assuming we get good value and still get a great player by only moving down a few spots).

I cant fathom believing that taking the best player on the board, at a premium position is "worst case scenario".

As for the trade down, if a great offer is there and it happens, fine, great. The thing is we go through this every year, every year is "the year" we need to trade down. It's mostly fanboy crap. More is not always better.

It's difficult to turn down a lockdown corner when your defense is among the worst in the league.

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When has he been right on the money?? Let’s wait until the combine.

Once. When the Giants took Clint Sintim he trashed the pick.

He essentially invented an industry and made a ton of money ... but now he’s an afterthought ... and a pompous one too.

prior to Kiper. Joel worked for Pro Football Weekly

In comment 14814618 BlueLou'sBack said:

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No OT in the 1st? No trade down? No non non!

Naahh. I don't get too worked up over mock drafts, least of all Mel Kiper's.

In comment 14814639 LakeGeorgeGiant said:

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In comment 14814634 Joey in VA said: Quote: Or death! Unless QB goes 1-3 and Young is there, Wills has to be the pick. Wills would be a tremendous reach in that scenario.

Baloney.

I don't know what Ed Valentine was looking at, because this is Benjamin Solak's 2020 NFL Draft Big Board over at The Draft Network, dated February 15, and you can see that he has Wills ranked #4, Simmons #6, and Okudah #8. So, not reach at all, let alone a "tremendous reach."

My good friend Joey is absolutely right.

Wills will either clearly be an elite LT prospect easily worth the #4 without a lot of grousing, or he will one of a bunch of OTs who are value in 1st, but not top 5.

Should be an easy pick for us if the first scenario holds.

and not us makes no sense to me. We are 1 pick ahead of Miami. Fins could/should stay put at 5, they need to use the picks, they need players everywhere. Someone like the Chargers or the Panthers could want to jump them for a QB.

We could make the Chargers pay us their 2nd round pick for moving up 2 spots. Or Carolina. Would probably still be able to land a starting OT or 1 of Okudah/Simmons maybe.

In comment 14814682 Klaatu said:

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In comment 14814639 LakeGeorgeGiant said: Quote: In comment 14814634 Joey in VA said: Quote: Or death! Unless QB goes 1-3 and Young is there, Wills has to be the pick. Wills would be a tremendous reach in that scenario. Baloney. I don't know what Ed Valentine was looking at, because this is Benjamin Solak's 2020 NFL Draft Big Board over at The Draft Network, dated February 15, and you can see that he has Wills ranked #4, Simmons #6, and Okudah #8. So, not reach at all, let alone a "tremendous reach." My good friend Joey is absolutely right.

I am totally with you guys

In comment 14814709 90.Cal said:

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and not us makes no sense to me. We are 1 pick ahead of Miami. Fins could/should stay put at 5, they need to use the picks, they need players everywhere. Someone like the Chargers or the Panthers could want to jump them for a QB. We could make the Chargers pay us their 2nd round pick for moving up 2 spots. Or Carolina. Would probably still be able to land a starting OT or 1 of Okudah/Simmons maybe.

Because if, say, the Chargers get ready to trade with us for 4, then Carolina can trade with Detroit for 3. Or Miami can. And if someone jumps to 3, then the Chargers won't have to make the deal with us. I still don't think 3 QBs are going in the top 4 or 5. Teams know we aren't taking a QB. It is highly doubtful in spite of Stafford's wife's tweets Detroit is taking a QB.

Just look to two years ago when everyone thought 4 QBs would go in the top 6 and teams would be falling all over themselves to trade up. The Jets moved up to 3 more than a month before the draft, then the Bills moved from 12 to 7. The Bills were so desperate for a QB they let 3 teams pick before they moved to get Allen, including Denver, who was desperate for a QB. I'm guessing one team moves to 3, then the rest wait it out.

In comment 14814639 LakeGeorgeGiant said:

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In comment 14814634 Joey in VA said: Quote: Or death! Unless QB goes 1-3 and Young is there, Wills has to be the pick. Wills would be a tremendous reach in that scenario.

And how do you know Wills "will be a tremendous reach"?

It's your opinion I bet, and probably not very well researched or informed.

But you don't even write IMO to acknowledge that.

Not cool.

...at 4.
When the 2nd pick is up and these guys are available, who do you like?


Weaver
Gross-Matos
Baun
Ruiz

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...at 4. When the 2nd pick is up and these guys are available, who do you like? Weaver Gross-Matos Baun Ruiz

I really don't know enough about Weaver or Ruiz, but between Baun and Gross-Matos would take either, but prefer Baun by some margin.

Let's see their athletic #s after the combine, but Baun plays like an athletic freak.

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...at 4. When the 2nd pick is up and these guys are available, who do you like? Weaver Gross-Matos Baun Ruiz

If they go Ruiz I assume our OL is...

Solder - Hernandez- Ruiz - Zeitler - Wills

Hopefully that would make it "fixed". And then hopefully they went nuts in FA on the defense...

Maybe you should check this out on Wills.

Almost an hour of unbiased (it seems) tape and commentary.

A lot to like in Wills. Great feet especially kick slide, or whatever you call pass pro set up.
Jedrick Will breakdown - ( New Window )

It could be turned into two first rounders or a first round and two second rounders.

With the deep OT (large need) class and a number of Edges, LBs and DBs, (all needs) this could be an amazing draft year.

In comment 14814637 mdthedream said:

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no one is ever on the money. I think that is pretty much how it goes. I think there will be trade ups.

Mayock "broke" the news the Giants were drafting Pugh, he had his ears to the ground unlike Kiper.

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In comment 14814549 Bleedin Blue said: Quote: When has he been right on the money?? Let’s wait until the combine. Once. When the Giants took Clint Sintim he trashed the pick.

He also graded Ewreck Flowers as a late 1st round project.

Becton's combine and then see what happens.

"And after the Giants cut Janoris Jenkins in December, cornerback surged to the top of the team’s needs."


So is a LT. I want an OL like Dallas dammit ..... but, would not have a problem with Oakadoke.

In comment 14814645 Victor in CT said:

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In comment 14814549 Bleedin Blue said: Quote: When has he been right on the money?? Let’s wait until the combine. Once. When the Giants took Clint Sintim he trashed the pick.

He also trashed the Flowers pick.

IMO, I just don't see him as physical enough to play near the line and I don't think he's agile or mobile enough to play safety. I see him as a real tweener guy, and someone you'd have to alter a defense around to accommodate.