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Golden = top 5 most underrated FA

DanMetroMan : 2/20/2020 11:40 am
"DE Markus Golden (New York Giants)
Golden hasn't been nearly as steady as Howard, but he's got a similar story in terms of durability and team swaps lowering his perceived value, going from promising pass-rushing prospect -- complete with a 12.5-sack breakout in 2016 -- to an Arizona Cardinals castoff, forced into a one-year prove-it deal with the 2019 New York Giants.

The Giants' 2019 defense, of course, was nothing short of awful for much of the year, and Golden returning to double-digit sacks (10) as a full-time starter for Big Blue has been overshadowed by the fact he missed 17 games from 2017-2018. But if you're looking for a high-upside edge presence, especially as part of an already-solid rotation, you could do a heck of a lot worse. The fact he looked a lot like his 2016 self in New York after all the injury woes should be reason alone to give him a look, and he went long stretches as arguably the most consistent piece of the Giants' defense."
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I think there is a very real question about the  
BlueLou'sBack : 2/20/2020 11:43 am : link
"high upside" comment in the quote. He doesn't look twitchy enough nor powerful enough nor bendy enough to have a high upside relative to his 10 sacks in 2019.

WYSIWYG
Golden is overrated  
twostepgiants : 2/20/2020 11:49 am : link
He had zero impact. Doesn't really matter the number of sacks

He was utilized by his DC who brought him and schemed him well. 1 of the only players he did this well with.

Golden wasnt beating guys and double teams etc

No clue on how he will perform in another system, scheme

From that article, I'm more interested in this guy:  
Klaatu : 2/20/2020 11:49 am : link
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LB De'Vondre Campbell (Atlanta Falcons)
Linebackers don't always get the hype they deserve, even though 2018 free agency showed us that teams will still happily dish out big bucks for guys they like (see: Alexander, Kwon; Hicks, Jordan). But the lack of buzz surrounding Campbell entering the 2020 market is bordering on criminal considering the raw numbers he's put up over the last four seasons as a starter in Atlanta.

Deion Jones and other bigger names have deserved credit for the highs of Dan Quinn's defense, and, to be fair, the failings of that same defense early in 2019 may have contributed -- rightly or not -- to less praise for Campbell, as well as other regulars. But he graded out as the Falcons' most efficient tackler, per Pro Football Focus, and he's gone three straight seasons with at least 90 tackles and 1.5 sacks, logging a career-high 75 solo stops -- not to mention five pass deflections, two picks, and three forced fumbles -- in 2019 alone. Someone's going to get themselves a play-making outside linebacker.
RE: From that article, I'm more interested in this guy:  
The_Boss : 2/20/2020 11:54 am : link
In comment 14814822 Klaatu said:
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LB De'Vondre Campbell (Atlanta Falcons)
Linebackers don't always get the hype they deserve, even though 2018 free agency showed us that teams will still happily dish out big bucks for guys they like (see: Alexander, Kwon; Hicks, Jordan). But the lack of buzz surrounding Campbell entering the 2020 market is bordering on criminal considering the raw numbers he's put up over the last four seasons as a starter in Atlanta.

Deion Jones and other bigger names have deserved credit for the highs of Dan Quinn's defense, and, to be fair, the failings of that same defense early in 2019 may have contributed -- rightly or not -- to less praise for Campbell, as well as other regulars. But he graded out as the Falcons' most efficient tackler, per Pro Football Focus, and he's gone three straight seasons with at least 90 tackles and 1.5 sacks, logging a career-high 75 solo stops -- not to mention five pass deflections, two picks, and three forced fumbles -- in 2019 alone. Someone's going to get themselves a play-making outside linebacker.



This is precisely the profile of players Dave should be interested in. This guy would immediately become one of, if not the best, LB’s on the roster.
I like Golden and was happy about the signing last year  
Rjanyg : 2/20/2020 11:55 am : link
He is a great locker room guy and is a high effort guy. He is not a dominant edge guy that this defense needs. Now that we have some cap to spend I hope NYG brings in a true number 1 to pair with Carter, Ximines and a 2020 draft pick. If they are able to do that then maybe bring him back on a 203 year deal.

Campbell is a solid LB I wouldn't mind bringing in.
Rj  
JonC : 2/20/2020 11:56 am : link
Yep, need to identify and sign the impact difference maker. Golden is a solid complementary Edge piece.
Granted that we don't know the type of D yet  
robbieballs2003 : 2/20/2020 11:57 am : link
but imo we will start off with a 3-4 for 2 main reasons. One, our coaching staff is set up that way and, two, it is easier to switch to that 4-3 from a 3-4 as opposed to the opposite. With all of that said, Atlanta plays a 4-3 defense so I am not sure how he'd fit into what we want to do with being multiple. Also, when Jones went down that defense sucked so not sure how good this player is. I admit I am ignorant to his play.
He'd look better with some legit help on the other side  
David B. : 2/20/2020 12:01 pm : link
Wouldn't mind keeping him at a reasonable price. I think he's a good locker room guy, too.
RE: Rj  
The_Boss : 2/20/2020 12:08 pm : link
In comment 14814829 JonC said:
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Yep, need to identify and sign the impact difference maker. Golden is a solid complementary Edge piece.


The alpha pass rusher probably isn’t in this FA class unless Clowney finally lives up to the hype. And Chase Young is in all likelihood a Washington Redskin. Something tells me we are still looking for that guy in the 2021 offseason.
I thought Jordan R. made a decent point on his most recent podcast  
FranknWeezer : 2/20/2020 12:09 pm : link
re: Golden. He would be a great #2 pass rusher. Pair him with a Chase Young (realizing we can't get to him) and pay him 10-12 mil/year...then have Ximines and Lorenzo Carter in the second wave, and then you've taken a weakness and made it a strength. But since you can't get Young, that doesn't de facto make Golden a #1 pass rusher who you pay big to stay around. Either you find a Jamie Collins or someone else good enough to let Golden not have to be "THE" guy, or you probably have to move on for him...b/c you'd be overpaying him to be your #1, and he's not a #1.
I’m sure Giant coaches will study game tape  
Giant John : 2/20/2020 12:19 pm : link
Before any decisions are made.
RE: RE: Rj  
JonC : 2/20/2020 12:21 pm : link
In comment 14814843 The_Boss said:
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In comment 14814829 JonC said:


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Yep, need to identify and sign the impact difference maker. Golden is a solid complementary Edge piece.



The alpha pass rusher probably isn’t in this FA class unless Clowney finally lives up to the hype. And Chase Young is in all likelihood a Washington Redskin. Something tells me we are still looking for that guy in the 2021 offseason.


Entirely possible, especially since I wouldn't spend on Clowney. But, I would make a move for Judon if he's not tagged.
I’ve read dozens of reasons here against keeping Markus,  
flycatcher : 2/20/2020 12:26 pm : link
but I still think DG should hang on to our best pass rusher.
Value proposition involved  
JonC : 2/20/2020 12:34 pm : link
not a player to overspend on, if you're being fiscally attentive.
In basketball you value guys who can create their own shots  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 2/20/2020 12:37 pm : link
Golden isn't really a guy who creates his own sacks. Would like to sign him but don't break the bank on a long term deal.
I agree with the comments that Golden is not a #1; and also that  
Ivan15 : 2/20/2020 12:37 pm : link
A true #1 probably isn’t available this year, or ever!

So what do you do? Disregarding Golden’s injury year and recovery year, he has been very productive. Do you go get another #2 guy and pay 2 guys $10 mill each?

Do you pursue Clowney, overpay him based on history and hope he steps up to #1’ or do you rely on the draft to find your #1 to pair with a #2, Golden or someone else?

I would trust Golden’s numbers and find another #2 in free agency, AND look for a future #1 in the draft.
leave the eval to the coaches  
mdc1 : 2/20/2020 12:44 pm : link
and GM
I expected more from him last year  
ZogZerg : 2/20/2020 12:47 pm : link
I'm not paying big money to keep him.
RE: I’ve read dozens of reasons here against keeping Markus,  
Now Mike in MD : 2/20/2020 12:47 pm : link
In comment 14814865 flycatcher said:
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but I still think DG should hang on to our best pass rusher.


You don't pay him just because he was the tallest midget
RE: RE: I’ve read dozens of reasons here against keeping Markus,  
flycatcher : 2/20/2020 12:58 pm : link
In comment 14814888 Now Mike in MD said:
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In comment 14814865 flycatcher said:


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but I still think DG should hang on to our best pass rusher.



You don't pay him just because he was the tallest midget

I know, I get it. Sure.

I just hope he’s on the roster next season.
Golden is not a starting caliber player  
Rudy5757 : 2/20/2020 1:12 pm : link
He is better as a rotational / pass rush specialist. He will command big money and he should go after it. Unless he would accept a reasonable offer or hometown discount I think both sides are better off parting ways. He probably wants big bucks and while hes a high energy guy he didnt do much other than get sacks.

I think Carter can fill his role. I know people will say Carter had his chance but they didnt play the same position. Carter should also be a role player or moved.
He was a good enough player to warrant keeping  
jcn56 : 2/20/2020 1:16 pm : link
at the right price, but definitely not good enough to justify paying more than mid-tier FA money to or get into a bidding war over.

The thought of dismissing him simply because the rest of the defense was awful last year is ridiculous. Overpaying to keep him would be just as silly. Assign a reasonable value to him based on his performance and likely projection, and if you can keep him at that price ($6-8M?) then do it.
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christian : 2/20/2020 1:18 pm : link
He's a pure edge rusher -- 10 sacks, 44 pressures.

One dimensional player, who's pretty good at that one dimension. He's not a building block type of guy, but definitely valuable.

In retrospect, probably the one guy Gettleman should have moved mid-season to a contender.
Thing is  
solfish : 2/20/2020 2:24 pm : link
Williams will get a big contract us. Tomlinson needs to be paid next offseason. We are probably shopping at the top the Market for an upgrade at edge and won't take one in the 1st. We CAN afford it but giving three DL big long-term contracts in the same offseason seems like pretty dubious asset allocation, especially since none of these guys is exactly Khalil Mack and we have zero proven cornerbacks on the roster.
RE: In basketball you value guys who can create their own shots  
Toth029 : 2/20/2020 3:12 pm : link
In comment 14814871 Coach Red Beaulieu said:
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Golden isn't really a guy who creates his own sacks. Would like to sign him but don't break the bank on a long term deal.


Same.

He had a lot of snaps and I say most of his sacks registered from coverage. He is a nice #2 edge but he isn't a $15M a year guy especially nearing 30.
the guy had 10 sacks  
Old Dirty : 2/20/2020 3:16 pm : link
and we're sticking our noses up like he's not good enough for our defense? I think we definitely need to re-sign him to a reasonable contract (8-10 Mil/year) and hope he continues to produce double-digit sacks. He may not be a #1 guy, but he could help make our pass rush good again.

Look at what Green Bay was able to do with a couple of nice pass rushers acquired via free agency. If we can sign or draft one of the top-tier edge guys to pair with Golden, we just might stop someone on 3rd down this year. Who knows, maybe we can start getting some turnovers too! Imagine that.
Way to not read well  
JonC : 2/20/2020 3:18 pm : link
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JonC  
Old Dirty : 2/20/2020 3:42 pm : link
am I missing something? Half the posts are saying not to resign him.
Not a bad option...  
OBJRoyal : 2/20/2020 3:43 pm : link
As the #2 pass rusher, but not a must sign. If he wants big $$, move on
I'd sign Golden...  
bw in dc : 2/20/2020 3:46 pm : link
and sign Robert Quinn to a short-term deal. That investment shouldn't be too expensive. Get two vets who can play opposite of one another with a very good ROI possibilities...
I don't see MG  
mpinmaine : 2/20/2020 3:50 pm : link
defending the run well is the problem
Golden is a Good Situational Player  
Rafflee : 2/20/2020 7:22 pm : link
He'd be a nice piece with about half the snaps. He's not well rounded. I'd say that Williams and Lawrence and Dalvin Pushed more to him than they received from him.
i hope he makes a shit load of money  
Platos : 2/20/2020 11:00 pm : link
and we get a good comp pick back for him lol
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christian : 2/21/2020 9:30 am : link
Golden was a really quality signing. Assuming the Giants will be big players in UFA, they probably won't be big winners for a comp pick.

I'd like to see the Giants sign him to a 2 year deal. I bet he gets 20M guaranteed.
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