Reposted, due to typo. Thanks, robbie (I think it was Robbie)
If you think it’s too early, so be it. Keep it to yourself. Want to debate. Feel free, but I’m hoping to avoid the nonsense. Post yours if you’d like. Just want to drum up discussions.
Via Fanspeak. I started by cutting the following:
Alec Ogletree
Rhett Ellison
Antoine Bethea
Kareem Martin
Spencer Pulley
These 5 cuts left us with over $85M in cap space.
I franchise tagged Leonard Williams, instead of getting a long term deal done with him. This gives us the opportunity to get a full season of production out of him, potentially trade him (highly unlikely) and allow us to sign FA without canceling out his comp pick.
After this move, we are left with $73M in cap space, which is incorrect because the DT franchise tag is set to be $15.5M. I took this into account when proceeding.
I also placed the original round tender on Aldrick Rosas.
I signed the following FA
RT Jack Conklin (5 year, $85M, $42.5M guaranteed)
Edge Markus Golden (3 year, $40M, $22M guaranteed)
Edge Jabaal Sheard (2 year, $18M, $11M guaranteed)
Safety Justin Simmons (6 year, $87M, $35M guaranteed)
CB Ross Cockrell (3 year, $22M, $10M guaranteed)
I went in trying to avoid the $20M/year edge rushers, while getting Golden back (he deserves it) and betting on a rotation, instead of one guy similar to Vernon from 2016. The pass rush is still terrible, but we can make due, as we head into the draft.
This left us with $30M in cap space for this year. I then went over to first-pick to start the draft and made a point not to go crazy with trades. Having said that, I did deal down to Carolina.
We received #7 overall, their 2nd and 3rd for #4 overall. The draft went as follows (1st 3 rounds only)
Round 1 - LB Isaiah Simmons Clemson
Round 2 - LB Zach Baun Wisconsin
Round 2 - C Tyler Biadasz Wisconsin
Round 3 - OT Trey Adams Washington
Round 3 - WR Collin Johnson Texas
Flame away! Post your own if you would like
Correct, the site had the DT franchise tag at $12M, but from everything I’ve seen, it will be around $15.5M. I’d fully expect Williams’ camp to file a grievance to get tagged as an edge defender, which won’t happen, IMO.
I took the 15.5 figure into account on the site, though. The transition would be an option, but I wouldn’t just want the ability to match. I’d want him in uniform for the season or the ability to deal him if the opportunity arises.
I thought he played pretty solid this past year. I thought it was a misstep to let him sign elsewhere. He played well for us and for Carolina. When contemplating the vet CB to bring in, I didn’t want to spend a ton, but wanted to keep a vet presence in the locker room. I’d love Bryon Jones, but I’d rather not spend that type of money
Golden or Sheard, not both. At some point you have to see if Carter and/or Ximines were worth the investment, and you want to see what the new staff can make out of them. So, one veteran ER to hedge your bets, but that's it. I'd also like to know what your overall plan is for your LB's. Kind of a logjam there with Simmons and Baun added to the mix.
You can't go into the draft without a Center, hoping you can get Biadasz on day two. I'd also cut Pulley, but I'd sign Ted Karras to take his place, and still look for a good OC prospect in the draft.
Not crazy about waiting until round three to draft an OT - even with Conklin on board - and even less crazy about that OT being Trey Adams.
When it comes to the first round I think I like Young/Okudah and then a trade down as our best options. I need to see more of the OTs but I think that is why a trade down is so intriguing this year because we can accumulate more picks and still get that quality player we need at a position of need.
I like the Wisconsin kid in the second but there will be some nice players available there so we will see.
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a few nitpicks (or alt preferences) here and there but that's a reasonable offseason and an improved team. Better offense with a much deeper OL. Some talent at LB finally. Maybe a CB short but again that's just preference (i'd go in another direction than Cockrill). And I'd probably draft a CB in the first 4 rounds especially if we get extra picks.
I thought he played pretty solid this past year. I thought it was a misstep to let him sign elsewhere. He played well for us and for Carolina. When contemplating the vet CB to bring in, I didn’t want to spend a ton, but wanted to keep a vet presence in the locker room. I’d love Bryon Jones, but I’d rather not spend that type of money
Both Jones (entering A28 season) + Cockrell (entering A29 season) seem a little older than ideal.
Simmons is an ideal signing but I doubt Denver lets him go. So I think it's more likely to project a younger and more expensive CB being signed to a bigger deal (like Bradberry who is entering his A27 year) vs. Simmons.
Then let Love, Peppers, a more mid-tier veteran and maybe another rookie battle it out at S.
Golden or Sheard, not both. At some point you have to see if Carter and/or Ximines were worth the investment, and you want to see what the new staff can make out of them. So, one veteran ER to hedge your bets, but that's it. I'd also like to know what your overall plan is for your LB's. Kind of a logjam there with Simmons and Baun added to the mix.
You can't go into the draft without a Center, hoping you can get Biadasz on day two. I'd also cut Pulley, but I'd sign Ted Karras to take his place, and still look for a good OC prospect in the draft.
Not crazy about waiting until round three to draft an OT - even with Conklin on board - and even less crazy about that OT being Trey Adams.
I agree with you on Simmons, but in this scenario, I made a strong run at him.
Karras wasn’t available and with me adding Conklin, I didn’t want another big contract along the oline. That would’ve been Solder, Karras, Zeitler and Conklin. I would say, however, if Karras is signed, that would allow us to go after OT in round 2 in my scenario, which would make me feel better about the future outlook at the position.
In response to you LB question, I wouldn’t consider it a logjam, when we didn’t have any logs to begin with. I figure one of X or Carter could develop but the chances of both, is pretty small.
I was looking for players at each level that could improve the defense. The Lb Corp is arguably the worst in the league.
Resigning Golden is a start. Signing Sheard as a spot rusher, just from a rotation aspect. Baun could be part of that rotation.
Simmons is the roamer, who occasionally rushes, but is the much needed cover man, so we can stop getting abused on 3rd down.
LB Corp would look like
Isaiah Simmons
Zack Baun
Ryan Connelly
Markus Golden
Jabaal Sheard
Oshane Ximenes
David Mayo
Lorenzo Carter
That’s still 2-3 short of where we were last year, so I don’t see a logjam, personally.
Okudah is the type of player, in my opinion, you tell him “See that guy? That’s Amari Cooper. That’s Alshon Jeffrey. Wherever he goes, you go. Even if it’s the slot”. Get better LB’s and coverage S’s if you’re concerned with TE’s (which we should do anyway). Keep Baker on the outside. I really think with solid coaching, he’s going to be very good. Okudah and Baker in short time could be a top tiered CB duo. Cross your fingers that one of either Beal or Ballentine develops into a solid #3. While we wait for that elusive alpha pass rusher to arrive, maybe we can accumulate a good number of coverage sacks.
Well, in this situation I had two 2nd round picks. Also, they play different positions. Completely different positions. Also, this isn’t what I expect them to do. This was me playing GM and sharing the end result for this off season
Carter and Xman are edge guys. Not true LBs
Need LBs who can cover in space
My choice for LBs are
Ken Murray ILB
Patrick Queen ILB
Akeem Gaither OLB
Troy Dye OLB
All these guys are sideline to sideline and can cover in space
Interesting plan... looks good to me!
One small issue: That trade with Carolina is returning too much value to the Giants based on standard NFL charts. Way too much. Point-for-point, we should receive their 7th and 69th selection (third round). But not their 38th (second round).
Interesting plan... looks good to me!
One small issue: That trade with Carolina is returning too much value to the Giants based on standard NFL charts. Way too much. Point-for-point, we should receive their 7th and 69th selection (third round). But not their 38th (second round).
Def get that. It was a deal sent to me on first-pick. Looked favored at face value, but I didn’t go look at the TVC. I will say, Las Vegas has an offer out there, where we would have gotten both of their 1st rounders (12 and 19), but I felt like Simmons would not have been an option if I fell that far.
I don't think you have that right.
Going 7 to 4 is a net difference of 300 points.
Going 4 to 1 is a net difference of 1200 points
Also, getting to #1 carries a premium that is not always reflected in standard trade value charts.
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If we are letting them move from 7 to 4 I want more than 2 picks. Think about what the giants gave up to move from 4-1 for eli. A 2nd and 3rd isn’t enough.
I don't think you have that right.
Going 7 to 4 is a net difference of 300 points.
Going 4 to 1 is a net difference of 1200 points
Also, getting to #1 carries a premium that is not always reflected in standard trade value charts.
Thanks I stand corrected I’m just a cheap fuck when it comes to draft capital. I want more but this would have to do I guess.
Jabal Sheard is on the decline. I wouldn't give him a multi year $9M AAV deal. He'll be 31 before next season and the bottom could fall out suddenly. Doesn't fit the profile I'd be targeting.
I like your trade down scenario. It's realistic and exactly what the Giants should do.
As far as how you utilized the picks:
#7 overall: I like the Simmons pick. He's an elite playmaker. He'll keep OC's up late trying to figure out where and how we'll attack with him.
Round 2: #36 OT Austin Jackson. Solder and Remmers are liabilities and short term presence on the roster. Jackson could ultimately be the best OT in this class. He needs core strength work.
#39 OC Cesar Ruiz. The OL is finally a strength with this pick. It's been a long time coming. Way too long.
Round 3: #68 ER Bradley Anae. Tough football player. Has snarl to his game our unit needs desperately.
#71 ILB Jordyn Brooks. Tough, instinctive and a sure, physical tackler.
#102(projected comp pick) WR Bryan Edwards. Good size-quickness combo. Isn't a 'burner' but is polished and tough. Good hands. Quality Z-flanker option for Garrett's offense.