GBN's 2020 Mock Draft, Round 1 (Feb 20th)

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This mock is completely out of touch with reality

Makes little sense....as he is not even consider a big target reciever....which has been their implied primary interest.

Chase, Okudah and do a couple of swaps with Dolphins and Chargers, if possible....and pick up Simmons or the OTs.....

the nfl before I condemned that pick. The guy can cut on a dime.

single stupidest thing Gettleman would ever do. I do not see Judge going along with it.

Every single draft pundit out there is stating this is the best and deepest WR class in recent memory.

They're not taking Jeudy at 4.

Not who I necessarily want them to take, but at this point we have a promising WR in Slayton, Shepard who the jury is still out on in terms of the concussions, and Tate who is likely here one more season. Adding a top tier receiver to pair with Slayton for the long term might make some sense. Just playing devils advocate. If Shepard stays healthy he would be able to slide into a full time slot WR role with Jeudy and Slayton on the outside.

the Dolphins and Chargers don't need a QB? Mock Draft is not very good.

take a WR at 4 when we can take a OT that has a lot of value. The cost to get one is 15m per year. WR we can get in free agency much cheaper.

In comment 14815310 mdthedream said:

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take a WR at 4 when we can take a OT that has a lot of value. The cost to get one is 15m per year. WR we can get in free agency much cheaper.

I would also like to see them take an OT or a defensive playmaker, but if they view Jeudy as being a dominant WR1 they could pull the trigger. Don’t see that happening though.

A top quality OT who can hopefully can more to LT in a year. And Defensive Playmaker or Edge Rusher..period...

Now Free agency can change what they draft.. but those are the thing that I see they need more than anything.. The WR position is very deep. They can get one later in the draft..

Would have to go a certain way for that to happen.

the O-Line and Defensive front 7.

In comment 14815322 barens said:

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Would have to go a certain way for that to happen.

This.

Hard to do mock drafts without knowing who we get in FA.

Example: what if DG goes nuts and signs 3 OL FAs? are we drafting an OL @4? Prob not... etc.

but we can find a WR elsewhere in the draft or FA.

no way we're winning any games if we can't stop teams on 3rd down.

defense defense defense

in one of the deepest WR drafts in history?? We can grab a really good tall WR in the 4th and this is what the Giants really need. Guys like Pittman, Claypool and C. Johnson can all be had in later rounds and give us that goal line WR threat we lack....

so Tua is too big of a risk at 3 or 5 (I actually agree) but not at 7? Odd.

than decent odds of landing a Slayton level (or better) WR in round 4 or even 5 again. I'm talking about Bryan Edwards, Quinten Cephous, Van Jefferson or some other Senior bowl standout.

There's a half dozen or more of them that won't go in rounds 1-3.

Look at the drop off in OT quality after the first 3-4 guys are gone.

Drafting WRs and TEs in rounds 1-3 repeatedly and OL in rounds 4 and later, until the Giants' pipeline of OL talent was bereft, was Reese's largest mistake. James Brewer, Mitch Petrus, Brandon Mosely... Those mid-late round OL never turned into even a dung pile of talent.

Gotta address that when the talent is there and our draft slot is high.

Gettleman signs his pink slip!

we had OBJ here and it didn't make a difference because we couldn't protect the QB and couldn't run the ball.

Why would drafting Jeudy be any different without fixing the line?

and they don't draft for need. Yes. This COULD happen. Hopefully not.

Need comes into play when two player have roughly equal value, need factors in. So hopefully our sakes, they have one of the OTs or Defensive players rated similarly to Jeudy.

Dave isn’t going to take a WR. He’s not that dumb. Now if Jerry was still here, I could see this actually happening.

This focus on positional need is foolish. You don't select an OL or DL because you need to fix the lines. You pick one if the they represent BPA. While WRs are deep in this year's draft, you are not going to find one like Jeudy later. The guy is special in everything he does. I've never seen someone compare more favorably to an NFL player than he does ODB, without the drama. And I said that long before this description came out about him on GBN. I'm telling you, if you slapped an ODB jersey on Jeudy, you wouldn't be able to tell the difference.

Jeudy is 6'1" 192. ODB is 6'0" 193. Their stats are virtually identical. And before people attribute Jeudy's success to Tua, consider these facts: 1) Tua's QBR was literally halved without Jeudy on the field; and 2) after Tua went down, Jeudy didn't miss a beat. Jeudy was the player that made that offense go, not Tua.

Sure, if you can get a guy like Tyron Smith at 4 (or ODB), you go for the OT. But reaching for a position gets you a guy like Cedric Jones or Erik Flowers. Yes, Eli needed a better OL in his prime years, but how much better was Eli when ODB was on the field? Does the team get better by reaching for a mediocre OT or picking an absolute stud WR? Our pass catchers got literally the least separation of any team in the league. Jeudy will solve that problem immediately.

took Barkley at 2 , why do you think he wouldn’t take Jeudy at 4 ? Because he’s now properly guided by his “computer people?” I think he will go with one of the offensive tackles . He knows this could be his last draft . He is aware that the defensive fronts in the division are too much for what he has now . Especially the Eagles . They beat the Giants all the time because their two lines Bogart the Giants . Constantly . But ...

Could happen if they get two good FA for the OL.

Its not so stupid an idea if they can first pull off good additions to the OL.

Among other roster construction benefits, more dynamic passing threats would create opportunity for a good power back instead of overspending on Barkley.

Or,

Since OBJ level talent was most often double teamed, the idea of taking a defenses Safety and a CB away might be pretty valuable if a smart coach and an accurate passer can combine with a mismatch pass catching RB

Its not the worst idea ever floated

Is Juedy that good that we would pass up elite defensive talent and good OT talent to select him? Can't we get a viable complimentary WR in rounds 2-4?

This first round seems off in general.

and that the OTs could slip given the consensus so far is there's no blue chip in there for NYG to make the decision an easy one.

That said, I think WR at #4 is a small percentage play.

there's two elite defenders in this draft, the OSU pair, and no elite OT. Whole lotta red chips, so drafting the best OT available out of need could be a bad roll of the dice.

Like I said awhile back, not a great draft to pick #4 given our current roster construction.

a 4 slot should create asymmetric differences for 5 years, not just fill out the many necessary positions with average NFL players.

This is why I hope they go several 2nd tier FA instead of 1-2 splash FA

what Jon said

I wonder if Paul reads the rest of GBN, because Jeudy isn't even their highest-graded WR - CeeDee Lamb is. Overall, Jeudy's ranked #12 on their Big Board, behind three OT's and three defenders (and Lamb). So, yeah, BPA-Uber-Alles cats, what's up with that?

In comment 14815396 Giants38 said:

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This focus on positional need is foolish. You don't select an OL or DL because you need to fix the lines. You pick one if the they represent BPA. While WRs are deep in this year's draft, you are not going to find one like Jeudy later. The guy is special in everything he does. I've never seen someone compare more favorably to an NFL player than he does ODB, without the drama. And I said that long before this description came out about him on GBN. I'm telling you, if you slapped an ODB jersey on Jeudy, you wouldn't be able to tell the difference. Jeudy is 6'1" 192. ODB is 6'0" 193. Their stats are virtually identical. And before people attribute Jeudy's success to Tua, consider these facts: 1) Tua's QBR was literally halved without Jeudy on the field; and 2) after Tua went down, Jeudy didn't miss a beat. Jeudy was the player that made that offense go, not Tua. Sure, if you can get a guy like Tyron Smith at 4 (or ODB), you go for the OT. But reaching for a position gets you a guy like Cedric Jones or Erik Flowers. Yes, Eli needed a better OL in his prime years, but how much better was Eli when ODB was on the field? Does the team get better by reaching for a mediocre OT or picking an absolute stud WR? Our pass catchers got literally the least separation of any team in the league. Jeudy will solve that problem immediately.

I'm sorry but I respectfully disagree. This is the type of thinking that has predominated for the last 7 years and the results have been progressively worse. I believe you have to do more systems analysis not just an isolated player X brings these talents which are in need. I think you have to ask do we have the necessary foundations in place that would allow us to utilize those talents to the fullest.

Its like doing military analysis. Pakistan acquires modern T-90 tanks from Russia. On paper, that should lead to an exponential increase in Pakistan's military capabilities vis-a-vis India. However, you have to ask other important questions to assess their real impact. Do they have the training to utilize this new technology? Do they have the resources and maintenance capabilities to sustain them? How do they fit into Pakistani military doctrine?, What capabilities does India have to counter these advantages?

Football is no different. I think Retrogiant is right. I think the pick will probably end up being an OT. Probably either Wirfs or Wills. Wirfs because of the Iowa pedigree and his flexibility or Wills because of the Saban connection.

In comment 14815412 JonC said:

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there's two elite defenders in this draft, the OSU pair, and no elite OT. Whole lotta red chips, so drafting the best OT available out of need could be a bad roll of the dice. Like I said awhile back, not a great draft to pick #4 given our current roster construction.

Yep. That's why we all had the sorta sinking feeling winning a couple of meaningless games toward end of season. Not good.

Should be a half dozen, or so, could go in the 1st round. And while most drafts have 2 or 3 who are really talented, in this draft there's likely to be RD 2 or later WR's who in other drafts might have gone in the 1st.

Slayton was a 5th round WR. Not say that Slayton is Jeudy, but he's an example of not having to spend a 1st for a productive WR, particularly in this draft.

and the Giants right now have a older Tate and Sheppard who may be another concussion away from retirement. Slayton showed a lot of potential......

No doubt the biggest factor that has crippled the Giants for what has seemed like forever is the terrible OL. The mistake was made holding on to that 2004-12 crew far too long and they all seemed to break down at around the same time. This is has been the biggest factor in not being competitive for so many years now imo.

We have Solder (33), Zeitler (30 next year), Hernandez and ?'s at C and RT.

When I look at this I hope they draft OL, OL and OL.

Looking at the landscape of the draft today and the changes/evolution of the game there are many more WR's that will continue to enter the draft of quality. Used to be in the 80's teams would reach for that rare speed guy. They are being developed starting at a much earlier age and many more are playing the position at all levels. Interestingly, this has made it harder to find quality OL.

Normally I am a BPA but for the Giants I would sacrifice a little for the OL otherwise the non-competitive football continues. Eagles, Redskins and the Cowboys are all going to have strong fronts.

In comment 14815413 Bill2 said:

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a 4 slot should create asymmetric differences for 5 years, not just fill out the many necessary positions with average NFL players. This is why I hope they go several 2nd tier FA instead of 1-2 splash FA

With the way that the Draft is after FA begins, this is the absolutely best way to go about things. Fill out your roster as much as possible so you don't pigeon hole yourself come draft time.

If Juedy is head and heals above everyone else available on the Giants Board this is the move. and Only If the Giants can shore up some holes in FA. This time of the year cracks me up. Everyone is a "draft expert!" The 3 QBs could throw a wrench in all the predictions if someone sees Justin Herbert, Oregon, Jordan Love, Utah State or Jacob Eason, Washington in the same light as we saw Daniel Jones last year. But, this is going to be one interesting draft season. Remember QBs tend to shoot up the boards the last week!

should trade down. The fact that this draft is light on blue chip players isn't necessarily a bad thing. As a matter of fact, having more red chip players is exactly what this team needs - they need lots of quality (not exceptional) players to fill all the holes they have on this roster.

As a mock draft the listing is fine but the author says it himself that he is not going to project trades/movement among the teams which there will be plenty.

WR at #4 would be fine if NYG project Jeudy to be the next coming of Larry Fitzgerald. Otherwise a team with plenty of needs like the Giants should draft with available supply in mind and this draft has plenty of talent at WR that you can get later.

In comment 14815405 Bill2 said:

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Could happen if they get two good FA for the OL. Its not so stupid an idea if they can first pull off good additions to the OL. Among other roster construction benefits, more dynamic passing threats would create opportunity for a good power back instead of overspending on Barkley. Or, Since OBJ level talent was most often double teamed, the idea of taking a defenses Safety and a CB away might be pretty valuable if a smart coach and an accurate passer can combine with a mismatch pass catching RB Its not the worst idea ever floated

The Giants aren't going to get two starting-caliber OT's in free agency. If they're lucky, they might be able to sign one, say, Conklin to play RT. They're still going to have to draft at least one - a good one - to eventually replace Solder (assuming he sticks around for another year).

They might be able to sign a free agent Center capable of starting, a step up from Pio and Pulley, but if it's an older vet on a deal similar to Pulley's, then I hope they look to draft a decent C/OG prospect, too.

What they should do in free agency is look to shore up some holes on defense. Cut Ogletree and Bethea - sign a ILB and FS to replace them. I might consider signing a UFA CB, but only after the Williams situation was settled. Signed, tagged, whatever. May miss out on the top-tier UFA CB's, but that's the breaks. So, maybe you take a flier on a kid like Artie Burns.

That said given our O-line and Defensive woes I don't see us adequately addressing enough of those issues to allow us the luxury of taking a WR #4 overall.

Think we are in violent agreement

A WR who is a true difference- ONLY if they get a center and RT in FA.

(Id add a blitz or rush capable LB and a vet DB as well)

Then they have to fill out the OL development pipeline in the mid or late draft

If all that falls into place then a great WR or a great CB may make sense

I don't think they will do this nor am I advocating it. Im just saying if they do the rest of the job via FA second tier (and maybe Conklin) its not the worlds stupidest idea.

We shall see

That is exactly the kind of pick that put the GIANTS into the predicament they are in now.

Fix the OL, or at least get an all-Pro defender at a position other than DT. NOTHING ELSE MAKES ANY SENSE.

Trade down and get down and pick up a hard-nosed possession receiver like Laviska Shenault. Where this draft is draft is deepest is in offensive linemen - Wiils, Thomas, Wirfs, Becton, Wilson, Biadasz, Cushenberry, Niang, Ruiz, Runyan ....

This draft is QB hungry with the Dolphins, Chargers, Panthers ready to do business for "the right guy".

Sorry while this years OL class is quite good the WR depth may be historic. You could be looking at starter quality in Round 5.

In comment 14815412 JonC said:

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there's two elite defenders in this draft, the OSU pair, and no elite OT. Whole lotta red chips, so drafting the best OT available out of need could be a bad roll of the dice. Like I said awhile back, not a great draft to pick #4 given our current roster construction.

If Burrow and the two OSU Defenders go in the top 3, Tua is sitting there at #4, and teams will be flailing over each other to move up ahead of the Dolphins to get him (unless the medicals come back poorly). It is actually the perfect spot for us, particularly if you are looking to move down.

The thinking of we NEED to draft this position at #4 is precisely what ruins teams. If the OT and WR are equally rated, you go with the OT. But if you rate Jeudy a 95 and the best OT an 80, you don't reach for the 80 because you need a tackle. That is not roster construction that will get this team better, and it's how you end up with guys like Erik Flowers.

That's an inaccurate portrayal of the defensive prospect pool. There are arguably four elite defenders in this class and just about everyone expects them off the board by pick #7 at the latest.

They are Young/Okudah/Simmons/Brown.

agree to disagree.