GBN's 2020 Mock Draft, Round 1 (Feb 20th)

No problemo Jon so long as you acknowledge you're in a stark minority within the draftnik community.

and I don't expect the Giants to draft Brown or Simmons.

THR- #4
Jeremiah- #4
Colin GBN- #5 overall
PFF- #4

8-10 range.

That's fair but to say 'there are only two elite defensive prospects' is going to deservedly get some pushback.

I'm in the minority in thinking if we don't retain LW or sign another DL on the market that Brown could and should be in play at #4. The unit of Dex/Tomlinson(contract year)/Hill isn't good enough.

Bobby Johnson, Stacy Robinson

In 1990 Steven Baker and Mark Ingram

and of course Dave "look at that little Meggett go."

No problem, Simmons and Brown aren't elite prospects, imo.

Fairly representative, ranks the top twenty ...

WRs - Lamb #8, Jeudy #11, Ruggs #17

OL - Wills #9, Thomas #10, Wirfs #13, Becton #16

At the top of the board you must get a game-breaker, else you better parlay that value into two or three solid players.

You need playmakers. We don’t have enough on either side of the ball. All I ask at #4 is you get one. If you can’t move back and try to get one with two picks.

In comment 14815396 Giants38 said:

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This focus on positional need is foolish. You don't select an OL or DL because you need to fix the lines. You pick one if the they represent BPA. While WRs are deep in this year's draft, you are not going to find one like Jeudy later. The guy is special in everything he does. I've never seen someone compare more favorably to an NFL player than he does ODB, without the drama. And I said that long before this description came out about him on GBN. I'm telling you, if you slapped an ODB jersey on Jeudy, you wouldn't be able to tell the difference. Jeudy is 6'1" 192. ODB is 6'0" 193. Their stats are virtually identical. And before people attribute Jeudy's success to Tua, consider these facts: 1) Tua's QBR was literally halved without Jeudy on the field; and 2) after Tua went down, Jeudy didn't miss a beat. Jeudy was the player that made that offense go, not Tua. Sure, if you can get a guy like Tyron Smith at 4 (or ODB), you go for the OT. But reaching for a position gets you a guy like Cedric Jones or Erik Flowers. Yes, Eli needed a better OL in his prime years, but how much better was Eli when ODB was on the field? Does the team get better by reaching for a mediocre OT or picking an absolute stud WR? Our pass catchers got literally the least separation of any team in the league. Jeudy will solve that problem immediately.

You make a huge unforced error comparing the OTs available at 4 on a part with Eric Flowers.

Nobody who has examined their tape makes that comparison, and I mean nobody.

So essentially you are making shit up out of your ass to pretend to have "facts" that justify your position.

3 OTS in this draft will go in the top 10-15 picks, maybe 4. Flowers was not graded by most as a first round pick, at all.

Everyone is giving Thomas, Wirfs and Wills top 15 grades at least. It's not a huge stretch to take one of them at 4...

when all the draftniks and the people that the scouts were leaking info to, swore up and down it was Haskins?

Good times.

In comment 14815710 JonC said:

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No problem, Simmons and Brown aren't elite prospects, imo.

In my opinion, Brown is the 3rd best player in this draft behind the Ohio State kids. And, I think he’d be the most talented player along our DL if we were to draft him. But therein lies the issue. Our DL is too crowded and he’d be redundant. For me, it’s Okudah, Willis, or pray somebody wants to come up for a QB.

In comment 14815647 Torrag said:

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That's an inaccurate portrayal of the defensive prospect pool. There are arguably four elite defenders in this class and just about everyone expects them off the board by pick #7 at the latest. They are Young/Okudah/Simmons/Brown.

There are at least four. Brown is in the discussion for sure. We don't need him, but you can't watch an Auburn game this year and not be blown away by the guy. And Kinlaw is getting a lot of traction post Senior Bowl.

Simmons is such a polarizing prospect that I can live with keeping him out of the "elite' pool...

But the bottom line is there are more than the two from OSU.

In comment 14815805 The_Boss said:

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In comment 14815710 JonC said: Quote: No problem, Simmons and Brown aren't elite prospects, imo. In my opinion, Brown is the 3rd best player in this draft behind the Ohio State kids. And, I think he’d be the most talented player along our DL if we were to draft him. But therein lies the issue. Our DL is too crowded and he’d be redundant. For me, it’s Okudah, Willis, or pray somebody wants to come up for a QB.

Derrick Brown is an excellent player. He's strong as hell, has a non-stop motor and consistently plays on the other side of LOS.

If he's not an elite prospect at DT then tell me who the hell is?

to keep investing at the DT position versus Edge and LB.

Young coach, young team, that needs a lot help. The draft is rich in good players in positions of need; OL, WRs, defense ...

IMO, there's only two legit 1A types- Burrow & Young, several 1B (top 10) and a cornucopia of 2nd tier, even into the second round (which is unusual)

If we can get one mid 1st round, and two top 50s, that's a big win.

In comment 14815412 JonC said:

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there's two elite defenders in this draft, the OSU pair, and no elite OT. Whole lotta red chips, so drafting the best OT available out of need could be a bad roll of the dice. Like I said awhile back, not a great draft to pick #4 given our current roster construction.

Normally I would agree with this take and curse Big Blue's bad luck, but Tua and all the QB needy teams drafting behind us pushes the 4th pick into the mix. Either a trade with Washington or Detroit drops one of the elite defenders to the Giants or the Giants wind up with at least Miami and San Diego on the phone offering above retail prices in return.

I do hope so.

but I'm not moving down for the trade chart 'points value'. You want a Top 4 QB you have to sweeten the pot or take a hike. I'll draft my top defensive player and on to Round 2.

In comment 14815703 Torrag said:

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That's fair but to say 'there are only two elite defensive prospects' is going to deservedly get some pushback. I'm in the minority in thinking if we don't retain LW or sign another DL on the market that Brown could and should be in play at #4. The unit of Dex/Tomlinson(contract year)/Hill isn't good enough.

Brown seems like a Gettleman pick. He is a beast.

Oh the fallout on BBI that we gave up 2 picks to rent Leo Williams and then draft a DT with the 4th pick.

who has been around here for a Looong time and who has occasionally contributed pieces for the site. But, I cannot see that happening ..

Defense Defense defense defense defense defense defense defense!

Linebacker, defensive end, edge rusher. Any one is fine with me.

Short et al: appreciate the vote of respect, but this particular mock was done by my associate Pigskin Paul Guillemette who does think a little off the reservation on these things at times, although I have argued on suggested on several occasions here that I would not be totally shocked if the Giants at least look hard at the Jeudy or Lamb if they were to think offense with the #4 pick.

Indeed, I wrote on an earlier thread that nothing drives me battier than when I hear from people saying that the Giants can’t afford to do this or that in the draft ‘because we have too many holes to fill!” As if the Chiefs are Super Bowl champs because they have the fewest roster weak spots of any team in the league. In fact, the best teams in the league are by and large the teams with the most dynamic playmakers that make the most dynamic plays. I can understand why fans in particular get so focused on fixing holes. They are desperate for the team to get better and what sounds like the quickest way to get better: plug the biggest leak. And certainly teams will follow that path at times. However, the bigger questions teams ask themselves especially when it comes to early draft picks are things such as which player makes us harder team to play against; which player is going to keep opposing coaches up at night.

And viewed in that context, I could see where if the Giants were to think offense with their first round pick this coming April, that they end up be looking at the WRs rather than the OTs. Last year, for example, the Giants had no one who scared opposing defenses deep so the other guys were consistently bringing 9-10 guys into the box fixing to stop #26 and just daring the Giants to beat them over the top. Slayton did come on late, but add another legit big-play threat and you would start to force opponents to play their safeties much deeper, which in turn would open up the underneath zones for guys like Shepard, Tate and Engram, not to mention almost by definition give Saquon some space as opponents just aren't going to be able to bring so many guys to the LOS. And if they do, hammer them over the top. This is not advocating that the Giants go the WR route – and this year’s draft features a very deep WR class so there will be other options at the position - but I suspect it is something they’ll give a whole lot more thought to than your average fan in the street.

When any business or organization has a lot of weak spots in a largely 50% competitive landscape, the fastest way up to the next level is to build on the strongest assets or units and or create an aspect of your organization that is a nightmare to compete against.

Of all of the chances to be competitively superior, the 4th pick of the draft is it.

A depth seeking second tier multiple player FA and using the other 9 picks plus UFDA for depth when combined with a real tilt the field in some aspect difference maker at the 4th pick is the right balance to move forward.

imo

the NYG have been down the road already with the strategy of drafting receiving targets that stretch the field deep (OBJ, Engram). Not that it isn't a credible strategy but the only thing it did was show off how bad our Tackles were when they didn't hold up and ultimately made Eli lose his nerve in the pocket and it failed.

Until this team gets the Oline in better shape, particularly at Tackle, defenses will not worry that much about the long ball. Adding another WR is important but in now way more critical than getting the line fixed.

Good to cya buddy. The key point you made was the depth in this WR class. IMO that takes the Giants chances of selecting a WR #4 overall from unlikely into 'don't hold your breath' territory.

Thanks, looking forward to your annual draft contributions. BTW your site should start including short profiles on say the Top 50 prospects for those of the guys that don't watch CFB.