'The results have been all over the map: The Ogletree trade was a huge mistake and the Williams trade remains a huge head-scratcher, while the Beckham, Vernon and Harrison deals look better over time. The jury is still out on most of these deals, but no one can deny that Gettleman is bold when it comes to trades involving big names. We’ll find out in the coming weeks if Gettleman plans to continue his wheeling and dealing ways.'
The Ogletree trade...still shaking my head over that one. And obviously the Williams trade was controversial, to state the obvious. I still don't get the logic of making that deal, but se la vie.
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There is so much wrong with that it’s not even worth trying to rip it apart.
Let’s just keep drafting and never sign a vet worth shit, since, we suck anyway. Let’s just hold out for the perfect, cheap and under 26 player to hit FA. Because we all know those guys are always available. And if we suck again, it was a mistake. Total nonsense lol
The point is to acquire veteran players who you believe will play well through most if not all the contract you give them.
I think Ogltree had all the makings of a good acquisition — pretty young, demonstrated success, and a flexible contract. There wasn’t anything alarming about that acquisition. Just turns out he wasn’t that good, and the Rams were right.
The Giants have sucked at acquiring UFAs at both the tail end of the Reese years and the beginning of the Gettleman years. That doesn’t mean stop, it means get better.
Reserve the very high and/or top dollar amounts for young, healthy, productive vets, and graduate the dollars and risk down the further players are from that criteria.
Then, you are limited by..
1. What players are available via free agency or trade
2. What it will cost to sign or trade for them
3. Whether that player actually wants to play for the Giants. This is a huge factor that is often overlooked. You never know who we targeted and who said no.
You end up with having to roll the dice on some guys because there is not much else available.
It is like walking into Dunkin Donuts and all they have is jelly and plain. Meanwhile, you have a car load of hungry kids and the next rest stop is 30 miles away.
and combine it with trades for guys like Ogletree, who were already starting to show signs of decline and were obvious cut/trade candidates for their teams, you lose all credibility when you try to support a losing team going nowhere trading for them.
It's not just MMQB'ing the Giants - these are moves losing teams don't make. And for good reason.
The reason that just about every football pundit bashed the Giants for the Leonard Williams trade isn't that the media has some broad bias against NY or Gettleman, it was because it was a short-sighted move that offered the team little value in the short term and locked them in to compete with other FA suitors or tag him. Only the worst homers decided that this was a defensible move and that the rest of the world had a grudge.
What Monday morning QBing are you seeing on this thread? Seems like most folks are saying most of the trades Gettleman made came from sound logic, and just didn't work out.
He was in Carolina when the Giants should have been planning ahead and Reese was loading us up with bloated contracts full of dead money signing bonuses.
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He was in Carolina when the Giants should have been planning ahead and Reese was loading us up with bloated contracts full of dead money signing bonuses.
Man if there is one thing I am completely sick and tired of is people still blaming Reese.
Yes, we all get it Reese SUCKED.
There will be what 4 signigicant players (Engram, Tomlinson, Shepard (who DG resigned), Rojas) left from the Reese era once the season starts. People are still giving kudos to DG for using 2019 to clear cap space, while totally ignoring the fact that 70% of the cap space that he cleared was on contracts of his own making.
DG got the Reese excuse in year 1. Not so much in year 2. Year 3, there is ZERO blame to be laid on Reese anymore. This is DG's team, not Reese's.
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I think Ogltree had all the makings of a good acquisition — pretty young, demonstrated success, and a flexible contract. There wasn’t anything alarming about that acquisition.
Sure there was. A good, well-coached defense wanted to get rid of him shortly after paying him a boatload of money.
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I think Ogltree had all the makings of a good acquisition — pretty young, demonstrated success, and a flexible contract. There wasn’t anything alarming about that acquisition.
Sure there was. A good, well-coached defense wanted to get rid of him shortly after paying him a boatload of money.
It was evident that anyone who thought Ogeltree "had all the makings . . . " was wrong.
Sure there was. A good, well-coached defense wanted to get rid of him shortly after paying him a boatload of money.
I'm making the distinction between risk and alarm. There was definitely risk.
The risk was insured by the Rams eating the dead money and him being on what amounted to a series of one year contracts.
As I posted above, spreading the 2018 roster bonus out wasn't wise. For a mid and late round pick, it was worth a year try out and contract control if he returned to form.
The most interesting question was should have he been retained for 2019 at that cost.