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Some CBA details from Mike Garafolo

Eric from BBI : Admin : 2/21/2020 11:26 am
Some added details on CBA being voted on by players today:
—Playoff expansion is pretty much tied to CBA approval. So likely no expansion this year if players don’t approve the deal.
—17th game wouldn’t be an international game for every team. Would be a cap on total intl games.
—Teams would now be able to activate a third player off IR during the season
—Teams could shuttle a few players from the practice squad (which expands to 14 players in 2022) to the active roster and back without having to waive them
—Though player discipline for off-field violations would be heard by a neutral arbitrator, appeals would go to the commissioner.
—The league would still conduct their own independent investigations into such matters.
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 2/21/2020 11:26 am : link
Adam Schefter
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Regarding CBA players vote on today.

Rosters would increase to 48 players from 46 on gameday, with overall rosters going to 55 from 53; practice squads would increase to 14 players in 2022, and 12 this year, up from 10.

Teams would be allowed to bring back 3 players from IR.
Appeals  
Mdgiantsfan : 2/21/2020 11:40 am : link
I would think the Commish hearing appeals would be a sticking point for the players.
Ugh  
Joey in VA : 2/21/2020 11:40 am : link
17 games is something I've dreaded, all records will now be meaningless unless they totally re-do how the records are kept, i.e., do they start from scratch now with an additional game? HoF numbers will be slightly skewed now, say a guy plays 12 years, he now gets 12 more games, or almost another full season to accrue numbers. The only positive is if they add another bye and the Super Bowl is on President's Day weekend. I absolutely had the idea of 17 games.
I never want to hear the words player saftey uttered by anyone  
Sneakers O'toole : 2/21/2020 11:41 am : link
connected ti the league office
Expanding roster  
TommyWiseau : 2/21/2020 11:45 am : link
By 2 is a little low IMO. I was thinking 58 players with 50 being active but 55 and 48 is not so bad. The increase to practice squad is great.
Does the 17th  
Pete in MD : 2/21/2020 11:48 am : link
game eliminate a pre-season one? That would make sense but I didn't see it mentioned here or anywhere else.
Re: Ugh  
Aaron Thomas : 2/21/2020 11:51 am : link
So did all the records become meaningless when the NFL went from 14 to 16 games? This happens in sports all the time and records are broken all the time. This is only one more game not a half dozen.
Greed continues to rule under Goodell  
JonC : 2/21/2020 11:55 am : link
all the symmetry of 16 games and 32 teams goes poof.
RE: Greed continues to rule under Goodell  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 2/21/2020 11:56 am : link
In comment 14815513 JonC said:
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all the symmetry of 16 games and 32 teams goes poof.


This.

And what's stunning is they don't seem to understand that sometimes LESS is MORE.

You can oversaturate the market.
RE: Does the 17th  
Mad Mike : 2/21/2020 12:01 pm : link
In comment 14815506 Pete in MD said:
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game eliminate a pre-season one? That would make sense but I didn't see it mentioned here or anywhere else.

Yes.
RE: ...  
barens : 2/21/2020 12:03 pm : link
In comment 14815474 Eric from BBI said:
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Adam Schefter
@AdamSchefter
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1h
Regarding CBA players vote on today.

Rosters would increase to 48 players from 46 on gameday, with overall rosters going to 55 from 53; practice squads would increase to 14 players in 2022, and 12 this year, up from 10.

Teams would be allowed to bring back 3 players from IR.


I do like this.
RE: RE: Greed continues to rule under Goodell  
JonC : 2/21/2020 12:09 pm : link
In comment 14815516 Eric from BBI said:
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In comment 14815513 JonC said:


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all the symmetry of 16 games and 32 teams goes poof.



This.

And what's stunning is they don't seem to understand that sometimes LESS is MORE.

You can oversaturate the market.


And, they're been in saturated territory for a number of years with all the insane costs and PSLs to attend games. At some point, the fan base WILL stop paying the money.

Not to mention, streaming access, all-22, RedZone, the directv package. The UFC is following the same blueprint and making many of the same mistakes.
The only safety the owners truly care about...  
bw in dc : 2/21/2020 12:15 pm : link
is protecting and growing their margins.

If they agree to more games, more international games in international time zones, more practices, more hitting, etc, the players are essentially enabling the owners to put their health more at risk. And the players should never utter a word again about safety..
RE: Appeals  
giants#1 : 2/21/2020 12:28 pm : link
In comment 14815490 Mdgiantsfan said:
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I would think the Commish hearing appeals would be a sticking point for the players.


Doubt it. Outside of CBA mandated penalties for PEDs/substance abuse, how many suspensions are even given out by the Commish each year? 5 is probably high and I can't imagine the other 1890+ players caring much about those 5...
I would assume  
Chip : 2/21/2020 12:29 pm : link
KC is concerned about Patrick Mahomes health. How does flying to Europe create more practice time and hitting. If they are eliminating a pre season game that no one wants to watch or be forced to purchase because you are a season ticket holder is a good thing. What I would like to see is more practice time in the preseason so the quality of play is better at the beginning of the season.
RE: RE: RE: Greed continues to rule under Goodell  
giants#1 : 2/21/2020 12:30 pm : link
In comment 14815524 JonC said:
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In comment 14815516 Eric from BBI said:


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In comment 14815513 JonC said:


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all the symmetry of 16 games and 32 teams goes poof.



This.

And what's stunning is they don't seem to understand that sometimes LESS is MORE.

You can oversaturate the market.



And, they're been in saturated territory for a number of years with all the insane costs and PSLs to attend games. At some point, the fan base WILL stop paying the money.

Not to mention, streaming access, all-22, RedZone, the directv package. The UFC is following the same blueprint and making many of the same mistakes.


Attending games is arguably saturated, but that's probably why the 17th game will be an "international" (London, Mexico, other?) game.

Doubt the die-hards paying for all-22/redzone would balk if prices go up a couple $$ a year anyway (they probably are anyway, especially the DirectTV package under ATT).
RE: Greed continues to rule under Goodell  
since1925 : 2/21/2020 12:39 pm : link
In comment 14815513 JonC said:
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all the symmetry of 16 games and 32 teams goes poof.


Profit is the goal of every business. No profit, the business ceases to exist.
RE: Ugh  
djstat : 2/21/2020 12:43 pm : link
In comment 14815491 Joey in VA said:
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17 games is something I've dreaded, all records will now be meaningless unless they totally re-do how the records are kept, i.e., do they start from scratch now with an additional game? HoF numbers will be slightly skewed now, say a guy plays 12 years, he now gets 12 more games, or almost another full season to accrue numbers. The only positive is if they add another bye and the Super Bowl is on President's Day weekend. I absolutely had the idea of 17 games.
SO all records from the 14 game season days are meaningless? WOW. I disagree with your assessment.
RE: I would assume  
Bruner4329 : 2/21/2020 1:07 pm : link
In comment 14815537 Chip said:
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KC is concerned about Patrick Mahomes health. How does flying to Europe create more practice time and hitting. If they are eliminating a pre season game that no one wants to watch or be forced to purchase because you are a season ticket holder is a good thing. What I would like to see is more practice time in the preseason so the quality of play is better at the beginning of the season.

More practice time in preseason won't make any difference. Why the play in the beginning of the season is uneven is because the starters are still adjusting to playing a full 60 minutes coming off a preseason where they played sparingly. You can't replicate the pace of a regular season game to a preseason game or practice.
Football records  
larryinnewhaven : 2/21/2020 1:07 pm : link
are no big deal anyway.
Tom Brady has effectively  
Bubba : 2/21/2020 1:13 pm : link
played an additional 2 seasons due to all the playoff appearances. His seems fine.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Greed continues to rule under Goodell  
Mad Mike : 2/21/2020 1:14 pm : link
In comment 14815540 giants#1 said:
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Attending games is arguably saturated, but that's probably why the 17th game will be an "international" (London, Mexico, other?) game.

Except according to Garofalo, as quoted in Eric's post, they wouldn't all be international. He seems to think half the league will get a 9th home game, with the international games continuing as they are now, with some relatively small number of teams playing a home game internationally.
RE: Tom Brady has effectively  
bw in dc : 2/21/2020 1:15 pm : link
In comment 14815573 Bubba said:
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played an additional 2 seasons due to all the playoff appearances. His seems fine.


Well, it's never been easier to be a QB in the NFL.

So exposure to additional games is considerably less about QBs, and much more about players on the OL, DL, LB. Positions where there is a collision on every play.
So if you think OL play is poor now...  
bw in dc : 2/21/2020 1:17 pm : link
wait until they have to play an extra game. And if they get hurt, watch what happens to the overall OL play when more reserves might have to play...
Great news!! The Giants can now field 2 additional players who stink.  
Marty in Albany : 2/21/2020 1:20 pm : link
The colleges aren't producing enough good players to fill the teams as it is, much less with the increased number of players in the CBA.

Is this an attempt by the the NFL to keep the marginal players out of the XFL?
My point about Brady was more that if you play  
Bubba : 2/21/2020 1:21 pm : link
for a perennial winner you are almost guaranteed 1 or 2 xtra games a season. From what I heard about the new CBA the players will be fairly compensated for the extra game.
RE: My point about Brady was more that if you play  
bw in dc : 2/21/2020 1:26 pm : link
In comment 14815586 Bubba said:
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for a perennial winner you are almost guaranteed 1 or 2 xtra games a season. From what I heard about the new CBA the players will be fairly compensated for the extra game.


And therein lies the debate - one extra game of compensation versus an extra game of exposure that can end a career completely.
RE: Ugh  
steve in ky : 2/21/2020 1:29 pm : link
In comment 14815491 Joey in VA said:
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17 games is something I've dreaded, all records will now be meaningless unless they totally re-do how the records are kept, i.e., do they start from scratch now with an additional game? HoF numbers will be slightly skewed now, say a guy plays 12 years, he now gets 12 more games, or almost another full season to accrue numbers. The only positive is if they add another bye and the Super Bowl is on President's Day weekend. I absolutely had the idea of 17 games.


I remember hating it when they went from 14 to 16 games for similar reasons. But now at this point the game has changed so much anyway that 16 to 17 is far less dramatic and doesn’t feel like it would be the difference in preserving anything. I’d prefer not, but I’m kind of meh about it at this point.
RE: So if you think OL play is poor now...  
giants#1 : 2/21/2020 1:31 pm : link
In comment 14815581 bw in dc said:
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wait until they have to play an extra game. And if they get hurt, watch what happens to the overall OL play when more reserves might have to play...


In the long run, the changes could help OL play. 6 extra roster spots (2 full time + 4 PS), means more depth continually practicing and if guys get hurt, that means live action for that depth to use to get up to NFL speed.
Players areGoing to Want ALot more Compensation  
LTIsTheGreatest : 2/21/2020 1:38 pm : link
for agreeing to play that 1th regular season game
overall I like what I am hearing  
ron mexico : 2/21/2020 2:02 pm : link
Hope they include a 2nd bye week, haven't seen that confirmed anywhere

More football is a good thing in my book
There's the inevitable lockout coming  
micky : 2/21/2020 2:04 pm : link
Just the beginning
RE: Greed continues to rule under Goodell  
ron mexico : 2/21/2020 2:06 pm : link
In comment 14815513 JonC said:
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all the symmetry of 16 games and 32 teams goes poof.


it would only be symmetrical if you played every team twice.

The system will be the same as it is now, with the addition of one more same record out of division game.



If I'm a player I'd be absolutely against a 17th game  
widmerseyebrow : 2/21/2020 2:13 pm : link
Another game check vs. shortening your career. You want to be in the league for more seasons.
RE: I never want to hear the words player saftey uttered by anyone  
Alan in Toledo : 2/21/2020 4:01 pm : link
In comment 14815497 Sneakers O'toole said:
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connected ti the league office

and let's not forget player safety
48 isn't enough  
arniefez : 2/21/2020 4:16 pm : link
at least 50 need to dress 52 would be better and a 2nd bye week is a must.

Players paid for the extra game?  
TJ : 2/21/2020 4:17 pm : link
"Bonus payment of 1/17 of paragraph 5 salary up to $250k"

So only players with salary under $4.25 million are getting a full 1/17th raise? Or am I misunderstanding? I'll have to do some looking and see how many players that is.
RE: Players paid for the extra game?  
Mad Mike : 2/21/2020 4:32 pm : link
In comment 14815775 TJ said:
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"Bonus payment of 1/17 of paragraph 5 salary up to $250k"

So only players with salary under $4.25 million are getting a full 1/17th raise? Or am I misunderstanding? I'll have to do some looking and see how many players that is.

No, you're understanding correctly. Higher earning guys won't get a full pro-rata increase.
I looked it up  
TJ : 2/21/2020 4:36 pm : link
Looks like top 205 paid in '19 were over 4.25
RE: RE: RE: Greed continues to rule under Goodell  
paesan98 : 2/21/2020 4:58 pm : link
In comment 14815524 JonC said:
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In comment 14815516 Eric from BBI said:


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In comment 14815513 JonC said:


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all the symmetry of 16 games and 32 teams goes poof.



This.

And what's stunning is they don't seem to understand that sometimes LESS is MORE.

You can oversaturate the market.



And, they're been in saturated territory for a number of years with all the insane costs and PSLs to attend games. At some point, the fan base WILL stop paying the money.

Not to mention, streaming access, all-22, RedZone, the directv package. The UFC is following the same blueprint and making many of the same mistakes.


The fans are not at the top of the owners' list of concerns. TV revenues put the real money in their pockets, and those will continue to rise. Add in money from streaming rights, and the fans' contribution becomes an even smaller percentage of the pie.
Thw owners are getting overly greedy  
Optimus-NY : 2/21/2020 10:28 pm : link
No need for a 17th game. This game is not what it was 10 years ago. The quality gets worse and worse. Then they actually have the nerve to talk about player safety. Gimmee a break. Leave the stadiums empty and watch what happens.
RE: Thw owners are getting overly greedy  
bw in dc : 2/21/2020 10:58 pm : link
In comment 14815979 Optimus-NY said:
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No need for a 17th game. This game is not what it was 10 years ago. The quality gets worse and worse. Then they actually have the nerve to talk about player safety. Gimmee a break. Leave the stadiums empty and watch what happens.


I agree. Increase revenues and margins on the backs of the widgets...errr...players.
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