I was initially on the Simmons train, and I'm not totally off of it, but when I watch his full game reps, I don't see a guy playing with the intensity I'd like to see that justifies this high of a pick. I want to see more aggression, hair-on-fire type of play, and I don't see that. However, he did put up stats.
plays best in space but isn’t a good enough in coverage to be a safety. Clemson schemed him into a lot of one on one pass rushing matchups and some situations where he’s entirely uncovered. I worry about how he holds up when grown NFL sized athletes are putting their hands on him if he’s remotely the same player. He misreads plays, idk if he’s just not someone that can make quick reads or if he needs time to learn.
He isn’t close to the smooth football player Derwin James was(I’ve heard the comp Simmons could be used in similar fashion). I watch Simmons and I think what a great athlete not what a great football player
Look what Connelly was doing behind our strong d-line, freely pursuing and being around the ball, it’s not hard to envision simmons doing the same and more..plus Simmons is exceptional at coverage, so we’d finally have a shot at reining Ertz.
He seems to be exactly what we’ve been missing at LB for many years.
I think the reason people are a little weary of him is trying to figure out what position he plays.
Personally I think his versatility is what makes him ideal for a multiple defense Judge said we are running. Think of being in a base 3-4 defense and the TE splits out wide. Simmons can go cover him. Playing nickel, same thing, cover the TE or blitz. Dime he can play the Mike position.
He does it all and does it well.
He is a modern day LB.
IMO I am not sure he is physical enough to play near the line in the
NFL, and I'm also not sure he is mobile enough to play safety. So my concern is he is a tweener with no real position, or a limited position only for certain plays
NFL, and I'm also not sure he is mobile enough to play safety. So my concern is he is a tweener with no real position, or a limited position only for certain plays
same here, he is not a physical linebacker and probably cannot cover NFL slot WRs. so he can cover TE/RB and will get blown up in run game. Pass
Giants desperately need a defensive difference maker
I think he is a late 1st round talent being boosted by a lack of defensive talent in the draft. I want a guy that makes impact plays no matter what not a guy that needs to be set up for them. That's not good enough at 4.
'When you watch full games you like him a lot less'
You may. I don't. Nor do a wide range of professionals that stake their reputations on evaluating football prospects.
There are wide ranging opinions on him as a player. I see him as a player that needs the right situation to be great not a guy that you build around. He could be good in the right situation. I want better than that at 4. He would not have been in the top 10 last year imo.
He had 7 tackles, 2 TFL, 1 sack and 2 pass deflections. If that's considered a bad game then he should definitely be the pick at 4.
It's so weird people try to point to a single bad game or off game to justify their team not taking a player. Every single player that's ever entered the draft has had bad games.
Look at full game cut ups on YouTube. Every single defensive snap is shown. These highlight tapes just show me he has free rush lanes. He’s miles away from the los and he’s always moving forward. Watch full game tapes.
Also it’s funny people being obsessed with Simmons but don’t even know of a guy named Akeem Davis Gaither who’s the same type of player less of an athlete but also a former safety who grew a ton in college. Came in at 5 10 180. Now he’s 6 1 220. He’s a guy I’d take a flyer on later if he’s available. Not Simmons at 4. Simmons will be drafted mid to late round 1. He will not be a top 10 pick like people believe.
On 73 pass rush snaps. Of those 30 pressures 8 of them were sacks. The highest pass rush percentage of any player in the Draft.
He had 104 tackles, 16.5 TFL, 8 sacks, 3 INTs, 8 pass deflections, 1 fumble recovery and 2 forced fumbles. He's literally a guy who can do it all.
Stop with your numbers. Stop spewing numbers out there. You would have to watch each individual rush and see if he had to beat anyone or was he schemes as the free rusher. Most of what I see he’s schemed open and has free rush lanes. He cannot be an offensive tackle don’t even make that point to me. He can’t.
On 73 pass rush snaps. Of those 30 pressures 8 of them were sacks. The highest pass rush percentage of any player in the Draft.
He had 104 tackles, 16.5 TFL, 8 sacks, 3 INTs, 8 pass deflections, 1 fumble recovery and 2 forced fumbles. He's literally a guy who can do it all.
Stop with your numbers. Stop spewing numbers out there. You would have to watch each individual rush and see if he had to beat anyone or was he schemes as the free rusher. Most of what I see he’s schemed open and has free rush lanes. He cannot be an offensive tackle don’t even make that point to me. He can’t.
Who cares how he gets there? The fact is that he gets there. Do you expect him to go battle with OTs in the trenches on every play? That's how ILBs and Safeties get their sacks. It's called blitzing. As we see by his numbers he's excellent at it.
On 73 pass rush snaps. Of those 30 pressures 8 of them were sacks. The highest pass rush percentage of any player in the Draft.
He had 104 tackles, 16.5 TFL, 8 sacks, 3 INTs, 8 pass deflections, 1 fumble recovery and 2 forced fumbles. He's literally a guy who can do it all.
Stop with your numbers. Stop spewing numbers out there. You would have to watch each individual rush and see if he had to beat anyone or was he schemes as the free rusher. Most of what I see he’s schemed open and has free rush lanes. He cannot be an offensive tackle don’t even make that point to me. He can’t.
Your obsession with Simmons is one of the most bizarre things I’ve seen on here. He’s literally the only topic you post on. If there’s a thread discussing Simmons, Tuckrule will be there to repeat the same things over and over again. It seems almost personal...
On 73 pass rush snaps. Of those 30 pressures 8 of them were sacks. The highest pass rush percentage of any player in the Draft.
He had 104 tackles, 16.5 TFL, 8 sacks, 3 INTs, 8 pass deflections, 1 fumble recovery and 2 forced fumbles. He's literally a guy who can do it all.
Stop with your numbers. Stop spewing numbers out there. You would have to watch each individual rush and see if he had to beat anyone or was he schemes as the free rusher. Most of what I see he’s schemed open and has free rush lanes. He cannot be an offensive tackle don’t even make that point to me. He can’t.
Your obsession with Simmons is one of the most bizarre things I’ve seen on here. He’s literally the only topic you post on. If there’s a thread discussing Simmons, Tuckrule will be there to repeat the same things over and over again. It seems almost personal...
He's been refreshing this thread all morning. Waiting for a reply that was positive about Simmons so he could throw out his small school name that he's never watched and got for The Draft Network 😂😂😂
Wrong. I follow college football and the nfl draft to me is one of the more exciting sporting events of the year. So once again, if your wrong or do not know of a player, no need to make assumptions. Just because I dropped a guy you never heard of until yesterday it’s okay. You can also do research and watch that guys film and tell me he isn’t a clone of Simmons. One is talked about one isnt. You can throw out stats but football isn’t baseball. Scheme is a huge factor with his “blitz” numbers.
He obsession with him on this board is insane and the naive points of view are comical. Every other day there is a thread about him being drafted 4. Every single positive post is repeated by the same posters. Since I have a different view I get singled out as being “obsessed”. Carry on and don’t cry when we pass on simmons at 4.
Wrong. I follow college football and the nfl draft to me is one of the more exciting sporting events of the year. So once again, if your wrong or do not know of a player, no need to make assumptions. Just because I dropped a guy you never heard of until yesterday it’s okay. You can also do research and watch that guys film and tell me he isn’t a clone of Simmons. One is talked about one isnt. You can throw out stats but football isn’t baseball. Scheme is a huge factor with his “blitz” numbers.
You compared Simmons to multiple players from previous years, Clemson teams or other LBs just a week ago. Not a single mention of Gaither. Just sayin 🤷🏻♂️
He obsession with him on this board is insane and the naive points of view are comical. Every other day there is a thread about him being drafted 4. Every single positive post is repeated by the same posters. Since I have a different view I get singled out as being “obsessed”. Carry on and don’t cry when we pass on simmons at 4.
You stand out because you’re the loudest. You’re on every single Simmons thread. There’s not another poster on this board that can claim that. You always have to make sure you show up to set everyone straight. You’ve invested an awful lot of time on this subject.
And by the way, I have no interest in Simmons @4, so no, I won’t be crying if they don’t take him. Although it may be worthwhile to take him just to see your inevitable meltdown. That would be epic.
You can find fault with any player if you watch the entire game. Some are doing exactly that with regards to chase young.
I’d be thrilled if the giants took Simmons. It means they aren’t worried about his frame. We need an impact athletic player on this front 7 in the worst way. Simmons doesn’t have the be perfect but if he can cover and roam sideline to sideline we’d be thrilled with him.
I’m not. I took weeks off of bbi and Simmons threads. But it’s a daily occurrence where I see Simmons threads. Go look at the history of al Simmons threads from the past month you will see I post on less than 50 percent of them and the fact that you recall me as a poster shows my opinion differs from the masses which is why I’m singled out. There are many guys who have my take who chime in and none of them get the crap I get. I’ll lay off from now til post draft. Make you simmons guys happy.
I was initially on the Simmons train, and I'm not totally off of it, but when I watch his full game reps, I don't see a guy playing with the intensity I'd like to see that justifies this high of a pick. I want to see more aggression, hair-on-fire type of play, and I don't see that. However, he did put up stats.
He isn’t close to the smooth football player Derwin James was(I’ve heard the comp Simmons could be used in similar fashion). I watch Simmons and I think what a great athlete not what a great football player
He seems to be exactly what we’ve been missing at LB for many years.
Personally I think his versatility is what makes him ideal for a multiple defense Judge said we are running. Think of being in a base 3-4 defense and the TE splits out wide. Simmons can go cover him. Playing nickel, same thing, cover the TE or blitz. Dime he can play the Mike position.
He does it all and does it well.
He is a modern day LB.
Freak athlete for certain but carries some worries at the next level.
Damn good point, except the Giants actually need to find the guy first that they would need to scheme to the dirty work.
But maybe they will in free agency.
same here, he is not a physical linebacker and probably cannot cover NFL slot WRs. so he can cover TE/RB and will get blown up in run game. Pass
There are wide ranging opinions on him as a player. I see him as a player that needs the right situation to be great not a guy that you build around. He could be good in the right situation. I want better than that at 4. He would not have been in the top 10 last year imo.
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Actually there where. Almost the entire 1st quarter was a Simmons highlight reel.
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He had 7 tackles, 2 TFL, 1 sack and 2 pass deflections. If that's considered a bad game then he should definitely be the pick at 4.
It's so weird people try to point to a single bad game or off game to justify their team not taking a player. Every single player that's ever entered the draft has had bad games.
He had 104 tackles, 16.5 TFL, 8 sacks, 3 INTs, 8 pass deflections, 1 fumble recovery and 2 forced fumbles. He's literally a guy who can do it all.
Also it’s funny people being obsessed with Simmons but don’t even know of a guy named Akeem Davis Gaither who’s the same type of player less of an athlete but also a former safety who grew a ton in college. Came in at 5 10 180. Now he’s 6 1 220. He’s a guy I’d take a flyer on later if he’s available. Not Simmons at 4. Simmons will be drafted mid to late round 1. He will not be a top 10 pick like people believe.
He had 104 tackles, 16.5 TFL, 8 sacks, 3 INTs, 8 pass deflections, 1 fumble recovery and 2 forced fumbles. He's literally a guy who can do it all.
Stop with your numbers. Stop spewing numbers out there. You would have to watch each individual rush and see if he had to beat anyone or was he schemes as the free rusher. Most of what I see he’s schemed open and has free rush lanes. He cannot be an offensive tackle don’t even make that point to me. He can’t.
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On 73 pass rush snaps. Of those 30 pressures 8 of them were sacks. The highest pass rush percentage of any player in the Draft.
He had 104 tackles, 16.5 TFL, 8 sacks, 3 INTs, 8 pass deflections, 1 fumble recovery and 2 forced fumbles. He's literally a guy who can do it all.
Stop with your numbers. Stop spewing numbers out there. You would have to watch each individual rush and see if he had to beat anyone or was he schemes as the free rusher. Most of what I see he’s schemed open and has free rush lanes. He cannot be an offensive tackle don’t even make that point to me. He can’t.
Who cares how he gets there? The fact is that he gets there. Do you expect him to go battle with OTs in the trenches on every play? That's how ILBs and Safeties get their sacks. It's called blitzing. As we see by his numbers he's excellent at it.
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On 73 pass rush snaps. Of those 30 pressures 8 of them were sacks. The highest pass rush percentage of any player in the Draft.
He had 104 tackles, 16.5 TFL, 8 sacks, 3 INTs, 8 pass deflections, 1 fumble recovery and 2 forced fumbles. He's literally a guy who can do it all.
Stop with your numbers. Stop spewing numbers out there. You would have to watch each individual rush and see if he had to beat anyone or was he schemes as the free rusher. Most of what I see he’s schemed open and has free rush lanes. He cannot be an offensive tackle don’t even make that point to me. He can’t.
Your obsession with Simmons is one of the most bizarre things I’ve seen on here. He’s literally the only topic you post on. If there’s a thread discussing Simmons, Tuckrule will be there to repeat the same things over and over again. It seems almost personal...
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On 73 pass rush snaps. Of those 30 pressures 8 of them were sacks. The highest pass rush percentage of any player in the Draft.
He had 104 tackles, 16.5 TFL, 8 sacks, 3 INTs, 8 pass deflections, 1 fumble recovery and 2 forced fumbles. He's literally a guy who can do it all.
Stop with your numbers. Stop spewing numbers out there. You would have to watch each individual rush and see if he had to beat anyone or was he schemes as the free rusher. Most of what I see he’s schemed open and has free rush lanes. He cannot be an offensive tackle don’t even make that point to me. He can’t.
Your obsession with Simmons is one of the most bizarre things I’ve seen on here. He’s literally the only topic you post on. If there’s a thread discussing Simmons, Tuckrule will be there to repeat the same things over and over again. It seems almost personal...
He's been refreshing this thread all morning. Waiting for a reply that was positive about Simmons so he could throw out his small school name that he's never watched and got for The Draft Network 😂😂😂
You compared Simmons to multiple players from previous years, Clemson teams or other LBs just a week ago. Not a single mention of Gaither. Just sayin 🤷🏻♂️
You stand out because you’re the loudest. You’re on every single Simmons thread. There’s not another poster on this board that can claim that. You always have to make sure you show up to set everyone straight. You’ve invested an awful lot of time on this subject.
And by the way, I have no interest in Simmons @4, so no, I won’t be crying if they don’t take him. Although it may be worthwhile to take him just to see your inevitable meltdown. That would be epic.
I’d be thrilled if the giants took Simmons. It means they aren’t worried about his frame. We need an impact athletic player on this front 7 in the worst way. Simmons doesn’t have the be perfect but if he can cover and roam sideline to sideline we’d be thrilled with him.