and every day the Giants will be told by a myriad of pundits and talking heads that they should take one of a half dozen different players or will guess that the Giants will take one of a half dozen players. None of them know what DG and Judge are thinking and anything that slips out will be a smokescreen.
Personally, I like Becton a whole lot. But I think the Giants would be a lot better off to take a defensive stud in the first round and then use the next few picks on the offensive line. There are only 2 or 3 genuine difference-makers on the defensive side in this year's draft and there are at least a dozen quality OT's that are possible future All-Pros in the same draft. This draft is loaded (and I mean loaded) with very talented offensive playmakers from OTs to WRs, yet nearly void of defensive studs. And hopefully, this is the last year in a long time that we will be drafting in the top 10. We should make the most of it!
Can't agree there. There will be elite prospects at #4. I'm not taking the 'points value' on the trade chart for a Top 5 QB. You want the slot pony up or go screw.
/nod. He's nowhere near a finished product as a player. And he doesn't have 'excellent footwork' in a technical play OT sense. He's just very nimble for a gargantuan person.
He will go BPA at #4 as he should. You do not trade down with the #4 pick in the draft. Do not think it will be OL either one Flowers every 10 years is enough. We will get a starter as we should. MO.
Take the extra draft picks regardless. There will be a very good player at a position of need with a slightly lower pick
So you would trade for pennies in the dollar? Gettleman would get destroyed if he did that, and he would deserve it.
If someone's coming to the Giants to get #4 and take a QB, that team should overpay, not underpay. There should be a bidding war for the chance to draft a top QB prospect.
he is a guy that is intriguing. I thinkl he can play both OT spots. his footwork is AWESOME. incredibly quick lateral movement. solid bend. he is a guy who i think will have a good combine and rise up the board some
I can’t wait for “Sy,” to clear the turbidity from these waters. Having never been a fan of “College Hoops,” Sy’s breakdown of the draft, is the closest thing I get to a “bracket.” Thanks Sy, for all of the hard work you’ve given us, and all the joy you’ve bestowed upon me.
As an aside, thank you as well Eric, and all the fine posters on this incredible board. As a long time lurker (“Pete’s Corner,” 96 (?)), IMHO, the posters here, arre the most astute fans I’ve ever garnered information from
Did you guys catch the last Locked On Giants podcast? The scout on the podcast he has a glaring weakness when stunts are run at him and he has to switch off defenders because of his size.
HUGE issue if you ask me. I would go with one of the other guys.
Unless a star defensive stud is there, and one should be there. But that is the big decision. Even if Brown is the stud, take him. We did it with Carl Banks, we had great backup linebackers in Headon and Hunt, this defensive line could become this teams monster with big, quick and tough players, they are all young.
He will go BPA at #4 as he should. You do not trade down with the #4 pick in the draft. Do not think it will be OL either one Flowers every 10 years is enough. We will get a starter as we should. MO.
If DG were to ever trade down, this would be the year, especially if they’re looking at Olinemen. There’s 4 guys that are projected fairly close, in Wills, Wirfs, Thomas and Becton. If the Giants trade down a spot or two, they will still get a quality lineman AND get another high pick, perhaps another 2 to get a defensive playmaker. This is almost a no-brainer, if there is a trade partner willing.
on Dave Gettleman ? Will he sign an free agent or try to draft and develop again. My view, he is looking to keep his job and needs wins....our scouting blows..
3 QBs
Young
Okudah
Brown
Simmons
3-5 OTs who all seems to be similarly graded
Jeudy / Lamb (the Giants shouldn't pick them but other teams may want them)
Point being, they can trade back from 4 to another team in the top 10 that wants a QB and still get one of these guys plus extra picks. even if the value isn't perfect, you're still coming away with a potential stud at a position of need
display such a conviction for Becton going to the Giants over the past 3 drafts. I do trust his scouting. He is very convincing. if he is convincing with his argument that Becton is so huge that he can be allowed to make a mistake and recover his block. Lance Zierlein has Wills, his #1 OT just slightly ahead of Becton. Dan Shonka has the opinion that Wirfs is the #1, OT due to his athleticism and is not a huge fan of Wills, as he state that Alabama OLinemen tent to struggle more in the NFL. There is some love, but not as much from these 3 scouts when it comes to Thomas. I do feel that if you are going to pick an OT in NFL prospect, you need to project them out, like any position. I guess it’s a matter of how big of a risk Becton would be. Is he a player that can be taught better technique? If the Giants staff feel that he is teachable, then I am on board.
I'm not comfortable with that. I'd draft the other three OT's before I'd take that on. Both in technique work needed and worries about his weight/size durability long term. He's a bit more project than the other options at the position.
Never overvalue an unproven pass-blocking OT in a passing league. That's the quickest way to drafting an OT Bust.
Becton is not a 1st round prospect.
"T MEKHI BECTON, LOUISVILLE
Buyer beware of: Poor true pass sets
Playing tackle in the NFL is about one thing and one thing only: pass protection. Pass protection, more so than almost any other job in the NFL, is a learned skill. With any skill, practice and repetitions matter. Louisville changed to a much more run- and play-heavy offense this past season. As such, Becton took only 73 true pass sets (plays with no play action, no RPO, with deep drops and at least four pass-rushers) in all of 2019. That’s the fewest of any tackle that made our top five tackle prospects. For comparison, the Falcons' Jake Matthews led all NFL tackles with 390 last year, and the 32nd most at the tackle position was 250. What I’m trying to say is, if Becton starts all season long next year, he’ll get tested around four times more than he did at Louisville last season.
It’s not only that he doesn’t have the practice, but also that he’s been bad on them. Becton has allowed eight pressures on those 73 sets for a 64.7 pass-blocking grade. Only Washington’s Trey Adams had a worse grade among the tackles that made our top-10. That doesn’t scream first-round type prospect to us. "
that he is hard to justify at 4. If that's who they want, they really need to move down to hedge that bet with additional picks.
Becton is literally a liability in pass-protection.
He is not even a 1st round prospect imo.
Louisville offense is not a conventional pro style offense. The read on Becton is not as simple . You are going to need to see the drills and the combine stuff. He also has shown very good feet.
Wills though is a very safe pick and has a higher floor.
Wirfs is a Gaurd or RT.
Thomas is too inconsistent for me based on what I see with footwork.
I really agree with Jeremiah.
RE: RE: RE: He has such a wide range of outcomes, from star to bust
that he is hard to justify at 4. If that's who they want, they really need to move down to hedge that bet with additional picks.
Becton is literally a liability in pass-protection.
He is not even a 1st round prospect imo.
Louisville offense is not a conventional pro style offense. The read on Becton is not as simple . You are going to need to see the drills and the combine stuff. He also has shown very good feet.
Wills though is a very safe pick and has a higher floor.
Wirfs is a Gaurd or RT.
Thomas is too inconsistent for me based on what I see with footwork.
I really agree with Jeremiah.
Thomas has allowed 37 total QB pressures in 3 seasons.
That's less than 1 pressure allowed per game.
He did this in the SEC against the toughest competition.
Pass-protection: You either get the job done or you don't. Thomas gets the job done and consistently keeps his QB clean.
is also playing on one of the most stacked rosters in the SEC against that SEC competition.
and Bama players have historically reached their ceiling and capped early in their NFL careers.
1) How is that relevant? Left Tackle is mostly a 1on1 position. Thomas allowed 37 total pressures in 3 seasons, less than 1 pressure per game. Fact. And he's even more dominant as a Mauler in the run game.
2) You're right about Bama players...which is exactly why Wills is overrated and has a low ceiling.
RE: RE: RE: RE: He has such a wide range of outcomes, from star to bust
that he is hard to justify at 4. If that's who they want, they really need to move down to hedge that bet with additional picks.
Becton is literally a liability in pass-protection.
He is not even a 1st round prospect imo.
Louisville offense is not a conventional pro style offense. The read on Becton is not as simple . You are going to need to see the drills and the combine stuff. He also has shown very good feet.
Wills though is a very safe pick and has a higher floor.
Wirfs is a Gaurd or RT.
Thomas is too inconsistent for me based on what I see with footwork.
I really agree with Jeremiah.
Thomas has allowed 37 total QB pressures in 3 seasons.
That's less than 1 pressure allowed per game.
He did this in the SEC against the toughest competition.
Pass-protection: You either get the job done or you don't. Thomas gets the job done and consistently keeps his QB clean.
Projection to the NFL from College goes beyond numbers especially at certain positions. Thomas is gifted no doubt but does he have consistency issues with technique? That's what I see.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: He has such a wide range of outcomes, from star to bust
that he is hard to justify at 4. If that's who they want, they really need to move down to hedge that bet with additional picks.
Becton is literally a liability in pass-protection.
He is not even a 1st round prospect imo.
Louisville offense is not a conventional pro style offense. The read on Becton is not as simple . You are going to need to see the drills and the combine stuff. He also has shown very good feet.
Wills though is a very safe pick and has a higher floor.
Wirfs is a Gaurd or RT.
Thomas is too inconsistent for me based on what I see with footwork.
I really agree with Jeremiah.
Thomas has allowed 37 total QB pressures in 3 seasons.
That's less than 1 pressure allowed per game.
He did this in the SEC against the toughest competition.
Pass-protection: You either get the job done or you don't. Thomas gets the job done and consistently keeps his QB clean.
Projection to the NFL from College goes beyond numbers especially at certain positions. Thomas is gifted no doubt but does he have consistency issues with technique? That's what I see.
Personally, I like Becton a whole lot. But I think the Giants would be a lot better off to take a defensive stud in the first round and then use the next few picks on the offensive line. There are only 2 or 3 genuine difference-makers on the defensive side in this year's draft and there are at least a dozen quality OT's that are possible future All-Pros in the same draft. This draft is loaded (and I mean loaded) with very talented offensive playmakers from OTs to WRs, yet nearly void of defensive studs. And hopefully, this is the last year in a long time that we will be drafting in the top 10. We should make the most of it!
There is no excuse not to trade down this year. None
It would be a first if DG does it. I think he sticks with old ways and stays put at #4.
So you would trade for pennies in the dollar? Gettleman would get destroyed if he did that, and he would deserve it.
There is no excuse not to trade down this year. None
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Take the extra draft picks regardless. There will be a very good player at a position of need with a slightly lower pick
So you would trade for pennies in the dollar? Gettleman would get destroyed if he did that, and he would deserve it.
And again what the draftniks term project versus what the league does, varies wildly.
As an aside, thank you as well Eric, and all the fine posters on this incredible board. As a long time lurker (“Pete’s Corner,” 96 (?)), IMHO, the posters here, arre the most astute fans I’ve ever garnered information from
HUGE issue if you ask me. I would go with one of the other guys.
If DG were to ever trade down, this would be the year, especially if they’re looking at Olinemen. There’s 4 guys that are projected fairly close, in Wills, Wirfs, Thomas and Becton. If the Giants trade down a spot or two, they will still get a quality lineman AND get another high pick, perhaps another 2 to get a defensive playmaker. This is almost a no-brainer, if there is a trade partner willing.
Bobby Petrino is not a good person but I don't think he's inclined to throw hyperbole around carelessly.
Young
Okudah
Brown
Simmons
3-5 OTs who all seems to be similarly graded
Jeudy / Lamb (the Giants shouldn't pick them but other teams may want them)
Point being, they can trade back from 4 to another team in the top 10 that wants a QB and still get one of these guys plus extra picks. even if the value isn't perfect, you're still coming away with a potential stud at a position of need
Mekhi Becton at #6 - ( New Window )
Good scenario... Shytty picks other than Becton! Wtf?
Define slightly lower? 8th 12th? Too easy to just say trade down
Never overvalue an unproven pass-blocking OT in a passing league. That's the quickest way to drafting an OT Bust.
Becton is not a 1st round prospect.
"T MEKHI BECTON, LOUISVILLE
Buyer beware of: Poor true pass sets
Playing tackle in the NFL is about one thing and one thing only: pass protection. Pass protection, more so than almost any other job in the NFL, is a learned skill. With any skill, practice and repetitions matter. Louisville changed to a much more run- and play-heavy offense this past season. As such, Becton took only 73 true pass sets (plays with no play action, no RPO, with deep drops and at least four pass-rushers) in all of 2019. That’s the fewest of any tackle that made our top five tackle prospects. For comparison, the Falcons' Jake Matthews led all NFL tackles with 390 last year, and the 32nd most at the tackle position was 250. What I’m trying to say is, if Becton starts all season long next year, he’ll get tested around four times more than he did at Louisville last season.
It’s not only that he doesn’t have the practice, but also that he’s been bad on them. Becton has allowed eight pressures on those 73 sets for a 64.7 pass-blocking grade. Only Washington’s Trey Adams had a worse grade among the tackles that made our top-10. That doesn’t scream first-round type prospect to us. "
Link - ( New Window )
Becton is literally a liability in pass-protection.
He is not even a 1st round prospect imo.
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that he is hard to justify at 4. If that's who they want, they really need to move down to hedge that bet with additional picks.
Becton is literally a liability in pass-protection.
He is not even a 1st round prospect imo.
Louisville offense is not a conventional pro style offense. The read on Becton is not as simple . You are going to need to see the drills and the combine stuff. He also has shown very good feet.
Wills though is a very safe pick and has a higher floor.
Wirfs is a Gaurd or RT.
Thomas is too inconsistent for me based on what I see with footwork.
I really agree with Jeremiah.
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that he is hard to justify at 4. If that's who they want, they really need to move down to hedge that bet with additional picks.
Becton is literally a liability in pass-protection.
He is not even a 1st round prospect imo.
Louisville offense is not a conventional pro style offense. The read on Becton is not as simple . You are going to need to see the drills and the combine stuff. He also has shown very good feet.
Wills though is a very safe pick and has a higher floor.
Wirfs is a Gaurd or RT.
Thomas is too inconsistent for me based on what I see with footwork.
I really agree with Jeremiah.
Thomas has allowed 37 total QB pressures in 3 seasons.
That's less than 1 pressure allowed per game.
He did this in the SEC against the toughest competition.
Pass-protection: You either get the job done or you don't. Thomas gets the job done and consistently keeps his QB clean.
and Bama players have historically reached their ceiling and capped early in their NFL careers.
and Bama players have historically reached their ceiling and capped early in their NFL careers.
1) How is that relevant? Left Tackle is mostly a 1on1 position. Thomas allowed 37 total pressures in 3 seasons, less than 1 pressure per game. Fact. And he's even more dominant as a Mauler in the run game.
2) You're right about Bama players...which is exactly why Wills is overrated and has a low ceiling.
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that he is hard to justify at 4. If that's who they want, they really need to move down to hedge that bet with additional picks.
Becton is literally a liability in pass-protection.
He is not even a 1st round prospect imo.
Louisville offense is not a conventional pro style offense. The read on Becton is not as simple . You are going to need to see the drills and the combine stuff. He also has shown very good feet.
Wills though is a very safe pick and has a higher floor.
Wirfs is a Gaurd or RT.
Thomas is too inconsistent for me based on what I see with footwork.
I really agree with Jeremiah.
Thomas has allowed 37 total QB pressures in 3 seasons.
That's less than 1 pressure allowed per game.
He did this in the SEC against the toughest competition.
Pass-protection: You either get the job done or you don't. Thomas gets the job done and consistently keeps his QB clean.
Projection to the NFL from College goes beyond numbers especially at certain positions. Thomas is gifted no doubt but does he have consistency issues with technique? That's what I see.
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that he is hard to justify at 4. If that's who they want, they really need to move down to hedge that bet with additional picks.
Becton is literally a liability in pass-protection.
He is not even a 1st round prospect imo.
Louisville offense is not a conventional pro style offense. The read on Becton is not as simple . You are going to need to see the drills and the combine stuff. He also has shown very good feet.
Wills though is a very safe pick and has a higher floor.
Wirfs is a Gaurd or RT.
Thomas is too inconsistent for me based on what I see with footwork.
I really agree with Jeremiah.
Thomas has allowed 37 total QB pressures in 3 seasons.
That's less than 1 pressure allowed per game.
He did this in the SEC against the toughest competition.
Pass-protection: You either get the job done or you don't. Thomas gets the job done and consistently keeps his QB clean.
Projection to the NFL from College goes beyond numbers especially at certain positions. Thomas is gifted no doubt but does he have consistency issues with technique? That's what I see.
Easily coachable.
His upside is Hall of Fame.