Of the two he is more likely to be able to play LT. I think Wills can be a Tyron Smith level LT. There seems to be doubt by some about Wirfs ability to play LT.
i think wirfs is the better player right now however wills can play LT and if we sign conklin, he will prob play RT so we will need the LT versatility.
sign conklin
draft wills
cut solder next year
wills-hernandez-2020 rookie-zeitler-conklin in 2021
But are we ok redshirting him in year 1? Conklin and Solder would start.
Not unless Solder is improved from what we've seen so far. A top rookie could win the starting job from him. That's not inconceivable. And even if Solder were to start the season a guy like Willis could take it part way through.
You’re going to either have your #1 pick sitting on the bench for a good portion of the season or one of your most expensive players (assuming no injuries). Neither is a desirable prospect.. And that’s coming from a pretty bad team last year with a horrible defense. Factor in lots of needs on the defense and probably good OTs later in the draft, if you sign Conklin, it probably means no OT in the first round unless there are multiple trades down and even that’s a reach.
The other point regarding signing Conklin is think about how much money the team will have invested in the OL for this year (until,Solder is gone) paying Conklin, Zeitler and Solder.
I'd still take Wills because Solder is not playing well enough to keep a job. He would beat out Solder at some point during the season or before. I'd take a serious look at moving Zeitler to OC and maybe slotting Solder in at RG.
if you sign conklin and are keeping solder for one more year, you don't take an OT with the first pick unless you trade down or you believe the OT is a superstar in which case you wouldn't keep solder
that bad boy can play. He plays mean. He pushes, punches, stomps the guy he's going after till he's down and then he even falls on him.
None of Wirfs, Thomas or Beckton plays [u]anything[u/] like this guy -- he's a mawling monster
One thing I like about him is that his pass blocking. It's not as good as his pulling and run blocking, but he gets back fast and recovers and keeps punching. Once he gets his hands on the other guy - that guy is going down. He's got great instincts to go with great physicality, and looks much more fluid and more powerful than the other three. He's got outstanding feet, a great punch, drives his man into the second level easily, and he seems pretty quick on the field!!!
Of the two he is more likely to be able to play LT. I think Wills can be a Tyron Smith level LT. There seems to be doubt by some about Wirfs ability to play LT.
Agree with this. Plus Conklin is a better run blocker than pass blocker. Wirfs may not be an LT on the next level.
I'd trade down and then take Wills or, if he's gone, Thomas
The Giants definitely need a pass rusher and would be nice to have an ILB. Plus it looks like DG is determined to get LW.
With all this said-- the Giants don't have a starting center. SO in Free Agency with much of the money being taken for defense and I don't want to risk a later round center in the draft. --
I would forego Conklin, and take McGovern at Center and take the best of the Left Tackles in the draft. I suspect its Willis. Then move Solder to RT. Or you can start Solder at LT and have Willis start season at RT and see how it goes.
***Gotta have a center. And can't risk picking one after early round 2. Too much risk.
If the Giants signed Conklin why would they draft another tackle with their first pick
The Giants have so many needs they cannot afford the luxury of avoiding other areas of need
The Giants defense was one of the worst in the league and in need of quality players at many positions
If the Giants signed Conklin why would they draft another tackle with their first pick
The Giants have so many needs they cannot afford the luxury of avoiding other areas of need
The Giants defense was one of the worst in the league and in need of quality players at many positions
I would draft Okudah or Simmons at 4
You could take 3 or maybe 4 players in FA on defense-- that's how. And the 2nd round could be defense too.
He’d be an ideal fit on that line and could become a perennial Pro Bowler. He’s that good! I’d sign a FA Center, perhaps McGovern or Karras, keep Solder at LT this year, draft Wills and prep him for LT following year with departure of Solder. Gates would be the swing tackle this year. Lastly, I would consider drafting a developmental OT in the 5 or 6th rounds, as well.
how many premier draft picks, overpayment to procure free agents, and the number of years the Giants have spent now trying to build up the offensive line.
you take 2 guys and put them in positions they’ve NEVER played and expect excellence. Yup that’s good planning!
You know Jack and shit about OL play. I'm not talking Madden you Buckeye ball sucking asshole, I'm talking about maximizing skill sets and hiding deficiencies which you could do by not posting anything football related. Stick to being a fanboy and let the adults talk football.
This is what I hope happens. The Giants sign RT Daryl Williams to a 2 year deal as his stock is down because he played mostly at LT and G last season where he struggled. His best position is RT. Then they also sign C Ted Karras 3-4 years and G/C Stefen Wisniewski to a 1 year deal.
Then the Giants take Jedrick Wills in the first round, hopefully with a trade down to the 6-7 range. Also they grab OT Matt Peart in round 4. Peart would develop behind Williams and hopefully take over as the starter in 2 years.
LT Wills, Solder
LG Hernandez
C Karras, Wisniewski
RG Zeitler, Gates
RT Williams, Peart
This is what I hope happens. The Giants sign RT Daryl Williams to a 2 year deal as his stock is down because he played mostly at LT and G last season where he struggled. His best position is RT. ...
Many aren't aware of what happened to Williams last year. I dropped his name in some discussions last season as a prospect. There are some who think that any large man can play any position on the OL. While the versatility is a trait that should be coveted especially for depth, there are some players that excel at a single position but struggle at others.
Williams was the prize in FA last year, but he was coming off an MCL injury. Prior to the injury, he was excellent. He had to settle for a 1yr prove-it deal in Carolina as his recovery precluded him from passing a physical during the initial wave of FA. The Panthers had Taylor Moton that played well during Daryl's injury so Williams return left him without a position. When Little went down with injury, Williams played LT and struggled. He played at RG when Turner went down with an injury and played adequately but was moved to LG when Turner returned.
One thing that Williams did prove was that he was fully healed from his injury playing in all 16 games last season starting 12 at various positions on the OL. I suspect he will be eager to reestablish his value agreeing to a short-term contract. He likely will be a much more affordable option averaging $8M/yr versus Conklin will be averaging $15M/yr.
with Conklin - do the Giants potentially see him as a LT?
He's played RT at TEN because they've got All Pro Taylor Lewan on the left. Conklin had LT-like measurables at the Combine and the Giants reportedly liked him very much. They have shown a willingness to use players like him at LT in the past.
he isnt a good pass blocker. i would rather roll with Nick Gates and get a tackle in the draft. Conklin is a plus run blocker and a minus pass blocker. In addition he has been injury prone which is one of the reason why he could be available. I think he only gets us marginally better. With what he will cost I would look elsewhere.
but the caveat to your scenario is they need to be prepared to cut bait on Solder if they believe in Wills. The days of high draft picks sitting on the bench are fading.
but the caveat to your scenario is they need to be prepared to cut bait on Solder if they believe in Wills. The days of high draft picks sitting on the bench are fading.
Why not get a paycut from Solder-- and see if Wills can handle LT? Plus Solder can help. While moving SOlder to RT. Unless you think Solder would be even more of a mess there and it just isn't worth it? It;s just that if you take any Tackle with the intent of having him be the starter at LT and he fails -- then you have no one.
I understand that SOlder might not be able to handle RT but if you get rid of him without full-knowing Wills or whoever can handle it - you're screwed. Better to search for a RT or maybe their bench Gates etc can help rather than having no LT?
sign conklin
draft wills
cut solder next year
wills-hernandez-2020 rookie-zeitler-conklin in 2021
Not unless Solder is improved from what we've seen so far. A top rookie could win the starting job from him. That's not inconceivable. And even if Solder were to start the season a guy like Willis could take it part way through.
The other point regarding signing Conklin is think about how much money the team will have invested in the OL for this year (until,Solder is gone) paying Conklin, Zeitler and Solder.
This
None of Wirfs, Thomas or Beckton plays [u]anything[u/] like this guy -- he's a mawling monster
One thing I like about him is that his pass blocking. It's not as good as his pulling and run blocking, but he gets back fast and recovers and keeps punching. Once he gets his hands on the other guy - that guy is going down. He's got great instincts to go with great physicality, and looks much more fluid and more powerful than the other three. He's got outstanding feet, a great punch, drives his man into the second level easily, and he seems pretty quick on the field!!!
Agree with this. Plus Conklin is a better run blocker than pass blocker. Wirfs may not be an LT on the next level.
They still might find a way to keep him.
With all this said-- the Giants don't have a starting center. SO in Free Agency with much of the money being taken for defense and I don't want to risk a later round center in the draft. --
I would forego Conklin, and take McGovern at Center and take the best of the Left Tackles in the draft. I suspect its Willis. Then move Solder to RT. Or you can start Solder at LT and have Willis start season at RT and see how it goes.
***Gotta have a center. And can't risk picking one after early round 2. Too much risk.
The Giants have so many needs they cannot afford the luxury of avoiding other areas of need
The Giants defense was one of the worst in the league and in need of quality players at many positions
I would draft Okudah or Simmons at 4
I hope we draft some good players, but I'm not placing much faith in anybody's opinion.
The Giants have so many needs they cannot afford the luxury of avoiding other areas of need
The Giants defense was one of the worst in the league and in need of quality players at many positions
I would draft Okudah or Simmons at 4
You could take 3 or maybe 4 players in FA on defense-- that's how. And the 2nd round could be defense too.
The Giants defense is not close
I believe that the Giants should use their draft resources to acquire premium defenders
If the Giants were able to obtain a OT and OC in free agency I would draft defense
Simmons is perfect for this defense
The Giants defense is not close
I believe that the Giants should use their draft resources to acquire premium defenders
If the Giants were able to obtain a OT and OC in free agency I would draft defense
Simmons is perfect for this defense
Unless the giants address the OLINE-- their offense is not close. They get blwon out in 1th 1st half thne move the ball in the 2nd. It;s not close.
Don't care about dead money. Do care about crippled DJ.
Draft the most likely immediate starting quality LT. That does not appear to be Thomas or Wirfs.
Don't care about dead money. Do care about crippled DJ.
Draft the most likely immediate starting quality LT. That does not appear to be Thomas or Wirfs.
Solder could take paycut to give us essentially back the 6.5 mill savings (or more) if he were cut.
Then serve as the temporary bridge between a rookie LT getting up to speed before taking over.
When healthy (and he played a full slate last season), he is far better than Remmers ever was
Remmers is trash.
Then the Giants take Jedrick Wills in the first round, hopefully with a trade down to the 6-7 range. Also they grab OT Matt Peart in round 4. Peart would develop behind Williams and hopefully take over as the starter in 2 years.
LT Wills, Solder
LG Hernandez
C Karras, Wisniewski
RG Zeitler, Gates
RT Williams, Peart
Many aren't aware of what happened to Williams last year. I dropped his name in some discussions last season as a prospect. There are some who think that any large man can play any position on the OL. While the versatility is a trait that should be coveted especially for depth, there are some players that excel at a single position but struggle at others.
Williams was the prize in FA last year, but he was coming off an MCL injury. Prior to the injury, he was excellent. He had to settle for a 1yr prove-it deal in Carolina as his recovery precluded him from passing a physical during the initial wave of FA. The Panthers had Taylor Moton that played well during Daryl's injury so Williams return left him without a position. When Little went down with injury, Williams played LT and struggled. He played at RG when Turner went down with an injury and played adequately but was moved to LG when Turner returned.
One thing that Williams did prove was that he was fully healed from his injury playing in all 16 games last season starting 12 at various positions on the OL. I suspect he will be eager to reestablish his value agreeing to a short-term contract. He likely will be a much more affordable option averaging $8M/yr versus Conklin will be averaging $15M/yr.
He's played RT at TEN because they've got All Pro Taylor Lewan on the left. Conklin had LT-like measurables at the Combine and the Giants reportedly liked him very much. They have shown a willingness to use players like him at LT in the past.
Why not get a paycut from Solder-- and see if Wills can handle LT? Plus Solder can help. While moving SOlder to RT. Unless you think Solder would be even more of a mess there and it just isn't worth it? It;s just that if you take any Tackle with the intent of having him be the starter at LT and he fails -- then you have no one.
I understand that SOlder might not be able to handle RT but if you get rid of him without full-knowing Wills or whoever can handle it - you're screwed. Better to search for a RT or maybe their bench Gates etc can help rather than having no LT?
Keep Nate around as the swing tackle and tutor
As desperate as we were for a Tackle when we signed him, here were are two years later and in the same position.