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Were we to sign Conklin and we go OL at 4, who would you

Big Blue '56 : 2/22/2020 12:21 pm
prefer we take, Wills or Wirfs? This is not about trade downs or anything else other than who of these two would you like here should we sign JC?
Take the best pass blocker  
robbieballs2003 : 2/22/2020 12:23 pm : link
Because our TE is going to have to help out Conklin.
Both players could probably play both OT positions  
Rjanyg : 2/22/2020 12:24 pm : link
I am thinking I would go Wills. He has some nasty in him.
I like Wills better  
Jay on the Island : 2/22/2020 12:26 pm : link
Of the two he is more likely to be able to play LT. I think Wills can be a Tyron Smith level LT. There seems to be doubt by some about Wirfs ability to play LT.
I wouldn't...  
Torrag : 2/22/2020 12:27 pm : link
but to indulge the hypothetical I'd select Wills. He's technically sound, physical and can probably play either side OT spot successfully.
I think Willis is better  
The_Boss : 2/22/2020 12:33 pm : link
But are we ok redshirting him in year 1? Conklin and Solder would start.
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BleedBlue : 2/22/2020 12:40 pm : link
i think wirfs is the better player right now however wills can play LT and if we sign conklin, he will prob play RT so we will need the LT versatility.

sign conklin
draft wills
cut solder next year

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RE: I think Willis is better  
BillT : 2/22/2020 12:45 pm : link
In comment 14816179 The_Boss said:
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But are we ok redshirting him in year 1? Conklin and Solder would start.

Not unless Solder is improved from what we've seen so far. A top rookie could win the starting job from him. That's not inconceivable. And even if Solder were to start the season a guy like Willis could take it part way through.
If You Sign Conklin and Draft OT #1  
Samiam : 2/22/2020 12:58 pm : link
You’re going to either have your #1 pick sitting on the bench for a good portion of the season or one of your most expensive players (assuming no injuries). Neither is a desirable prospect.. And that’s coming from a pretty bad team last year with a horrible defense. Factor in lots of needs on the defense and probably good OTs later in the draft, if you sign Conklin, it probably means no OT in the first round unless there are multiple trades down and even that’s a reach.

The other point regarding signing Conklin is think about how much money the team will have invested in the OL for this year (until,Solder is gone) paying Conklin, Zeitler and Solder.
Becton  
BigBlueCane : 2/22/2020 1:03 pm : link
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If we did that  
Joey in VA : 2/22/2020 1:07 pm : link
I'd still take Wills because Solder is not playing well enough to keep a job. He would beat out Solder at some point during the season or before. I'd take a serious look at moving Zeitler to OC and maybe slotting Solder in at RG.
i don't think you do both  
GiantsFan84 : 2/22/2020 1:08 pm : link
if you sign conklin and are keeping solder for one more year, you don't take an OT with the first pick unless you trade down or you believe the OT is a superstar in which case you wouldn't keep solder
RE: Becton  
Prude : 2/22/2020 1:16 pm : link
In comment 14816200 BigBlueCane said:
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Yup Joey this is Madden after all  
Dave on the UWS : 2/22/2020 1:39 pm : link
you take 2 guys and put them in positions they’ve NEVER played and expect excellence. Yup that’s good planning!
If the Giants are picking OT at 4 -- it's got to be Jedrick Wills  
gidiefor : Mod : 2/22/2020 1:56 pm : link
that bad boy can play. He plays mean. He pushes, punches, stomps the guy he's going after till he's down and then he even falls on him.

None of Wirfs, Thomas or Beckton plays [u]anything[u/] like this guy -- he's a mawling monster

One thing I like about him is that his pass blocking. It's not as good as his pulling and run blocking, but he gets back fast and recovers and keeps punching. Once he gets his hands on the other guy - that guy is going down. He's got great instincts to go with great physicality, and looks much more fluid and more powerful than the other three. He's got outstanding feet, a great punch, drives his man into the second level easily, and he seems pretty quick on the field!!!
RE: I like Wills better  
MeadowlandsMike : 2/22/2020 2:55 pm : link
In comment 14816175 Jay on the Island said:
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Of the two he is more likely to be able to play LT. I think Wills can be a Tyron Smith level LT. There seems to be doubt by some about Wirfs ability to play LT.


Agree with this. Plus Conklin is a better run blocker than pass blocker. Wirfs may not be an LT on the next level.
I'd trade down and then take Wills or, if he's gone, Thomas  
Ira : 2/22/2020 3:11 pm : link
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Too many people think Conklin signing is a sure thing. Like the Giants  
Ivan15 : 2/22/2020 3:23 pm : link
will be the only team pursuing him.

They still might find a way to keep him.
Have to consider defense in FA too and Center  
giantstock : 2/22/2020 4:08 pm : link
The Giants definitely need a pass rusher and would be nice to have an ILB. Plus it looks like DG is determined to get LW.

With all this said-- the Giants don't have a starting center. SO in Free Agency with much of the money being taken for defense and I don't want to risk a later round center in the draft. --

I would forego Conklin, and take McGovern at Center and take the best of the Left Tackles in the draft. I suspect its Willis. Then move Solder to RT. Or you can start Solder at LT and have Willis start season at RT and see how it goes.

***Gotta have a center. And can't risk picking one after early round 2. Too much risk.
If the Giants signed Conklin?  
Archer : 2/22/2020 4:13 pm : link
If the Giants signed Conklin why would they draft another tackle with their first pick
The Giants have so many needs they cannot afford the luxury of avoiding other areas of need

The Giants defense was one of the worst in the league and in need of quality players at many positions

I would draft Okudah or Simmons at 4
It is really hard to have confidence  
Marty in Albany : 2/22/2020 4:17 pm : link
in any predictions when you consider how many "experts" were surprised/shocked/dismayed/angered (pick one) by last year's choice of QB Daniel Jones.

I hope we draft some good players, but I'm not placing much faith in anybody's opinion.
RE: If the Giants signed Conklin?  
giantstock : 2/22/2020 4:24 pm : link
In comment 14816302 Archer said:
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If the Giants signed Conklin why would they draft another tackle with their first pick
The Giants have so many needs they cannot afford the luxury of avoiding other areas of need

The Giants defense was one of the worst in the league and in need of quality players at many positions

I would draft Okudah or Simmons at 4


You could take 3 or maybe 4 players in FA on defense-- that's how. And the 2nd round could be defense too.
The Giants  
Archer : 2/22/2020 4:35 pm : link
The Giants offense is close
The Giants defense is not close

I believe that the Giants should use their draft resources to acquire premium defenders

If the Giants were able to obtain a OT and OC in free agency I would draft defense

Simmons is perfect for this defense
J Wills is the consensus pick for the GMen.....  
Simms11 : 2/22/2020 5:21 pm : link
He’d be an ideal fit on that line and could become a perennial Pro Bowler. He’s that good! I’d sign a FA Center, perhaps McGovern or Karras, keep Solder at LT this year, draft Wills and prep him for LT following year with departure of Solder. Gates would be the swing tackle this year. Lastly, I would consider drafting a developmental OT in the 5 or 6th rounds, as well.
RE: The Giants  
giantstock : 2/22/2020 5:23 pm : link
In comment 14816316 Archer said:
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The Giants offense is close
The Giants defense is not close

I believe that the Giants should use their draft resources to acquire premium defenders

If the Giants were able to obtain a OT and OC in free agency I would draft defense

Simmons is perfect for this defense


Unless the giants address the OLINE-- their offense is not close. They get blwon out in 1th 1st half thne move the ball in the 2nd. It;s not close.
Amazing  
GruningsOnTheHill : 2/22/2020 5:40 pm : link
how many premier draft picks, overpayment to procure free agents, and the number of years the Giants have spent now trying to build up the offensive line.
Cut Solder before roster bonus due  
Bob in Newburgh : 2/22/2020 6:13 pm : link
Absolutely is not even an okay starting LT.

Don't care about dead money. Do care about crippled DJ.

Draft the most likely immediate starting quality LT. That does not appear to be Thomas or Wirfs.

RE: Cut Solder before roster bonus due  
MeadowlandsMike : 2/22/2020 6:40 pm : link
In comment 14816377 Bob in Newburgh said:
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Absolutely is not even an okay starting LT.

Don't care about dead money. Do care about crippled DJ.

Draft the most likely immediate starting quality LT. That does not appear to be Thomas or Wirfs.


Solder could take paycut to give us essentially back the 6.5 mill savings (or more) if he were cut.

Then serve as the temporary bridge between a rookie LT getting up to speed before taking over.
Conklin is a name.  
FStubbs : 2/22/2020 7:31 pm : link
I don't know why people are so hung up on wanting this guy here. We may as well keep Remmers.
RE: Conklin is a name.  
Big Blue '56 : 2/22/2020 7:47 pm : link
In comment 14816420 FStubbs said:
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I don't know why people are so hung up on wanting this guy here. We may as well keep Remmers.


When healthy (and he played a full slate last season), he is far better than Remmers ever was
RE: Yup Joey this is Madden after all  
Joey in VA : 2/22/2020 8:08 pm : link
In comment 14816220 Dave on the UWS said:
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you take 2 guys and put them in positions they’ve NEVER played and expect excellence. Yup that’s good planning!
You know Jack and shit about OL play. I'm not talking Madden you Buckeye ball sucking asshole, I'm talking about maximizing skill sets and hiding deficiencies which you could do by not posting anything football related. Stick to being a fanboy and let the adults talk football.
RE: Conklin is a name.  
Dave in Hoboken : 2/22/2020 8:09 pm : link
In comment 14816420 FStubbs said:
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I don't know why people are so hung up on wanting this guy here. We may as well keep Remmers.


Remmers is trash.
Conklin will be too expensive  
Jay on the Island : 2/23/2020 12:08 am : link
This is what I hope happens. The Giants sign RT Daryl Williams to a 2 year deal as his stock is down because he played mostly at LT and G last season where he struggled. His best position is RT. Then they also sign C Ted Karras 3-4 years and G/C Stefen Wisniewski to a 1 year deal.

Then the Giants take Jedrick Wills in the first round, hopefully with a trade down to the 6-7 range. Also they grab OT Matt Peart in round 4. Peart would develop behind Williams and hopefully take over as the starter in 2 years.

LT Wills, Solder
LG Hernandez
C Karras, Wisniewski
RG Zeitler, Gates
RT Williams, Peart
RE: Conklin will be too expensive  
Diver_Down : 2/23/2020 7:31 am : link
In comment 14816528 Jay on the Island said:
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This is what I hope happens. The Giants sign RT Daryl Williams to a 2 year deal as his stock is down because he played mostly at LT and G last season where he struggled. His best position is RT. ...


Many aren't aware of what happened to Williams last year. I dropped his name in some discussions last season as a prospect. There are some who think that any large man can play any position on the OL. While the versatility is a trait that should be coveted especially for depth, there are some players that excel at a single position but struggle at others.

Williams was the prize in FA last year, but he was coming off an MCL injury. Prior to the injury, he was excellent. He had to settle for a 1yr prove-it deal in Carolina as his recovery precluded him from passing a physical during the initial wave of FA. The Panthers had Taylor Moton that played well during Daryl's injury so Williams return left him without a position. When Little went down with injury, Williams played LT and struggled. He played at RG when Turner went down with an injury and played adequately but was moved to LG when Turner returned.

One thing that Williams did prove was that he was fully healed from his injury playing in all 16 games last season starting 12 at various positions on the OL. I suspect he will be eager to reestablish his value agreeing to a short-term contract. He likely will be a much more affordable option averaging $8M/yr versus Conklin will be averaging $15M/yr.
Good post on Williams  
LBH15 : 2/23/2020 7:46 am : link
While his play was not inspiring, the comeback from injury could have been a big piece of it, and he certainly showed some versatility.
Trade back a few spots  
mdthedream : 2/23/2020 3:53 pm : link
get a Simmons type of player and a extra 2nd rounder and maybe extra.
A big question  
mittenedman : 2/24/2020 7:13 am : link
with Conklin - do the Giants potentially see him as a LT?

He's played RT at TEN because they've got All Pro Taylor Lewan on the left. Conklin had LT-like measurables at the Combine and the Giants reportedly liked him very much. They have shown a willingness to use players like him at LT in the past.
While Conklin is an upgrade at RT  
Rudy5757 : 2/24/2020 9:34 am : link
he isnt a good pass blocker. i would rather roll with Nick Gates and get a tackle in the draft. Conklin is a plus run blocker and a minus pass blocker. In addition he has been injury prone which is one of the reason why he could be available. I think he only gets us marginally better. With what he will cost I would look elsewhere.
Probably Wills  
JonC : 2/24/2020 9:39 am : link
but the caveat to your scenario is they need to be prepared to cut bait on Solder if they believe in Wills. The days of high draft picks sitting on the bench are fading.
RE: Probably Wills  
giantstock : 2/24/2020 11:21 am : link
In comment 14817109 JonC said:
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but the caveat to your scenario is they need to be prepared to cut bait on Solder if they believe in Wills. The days of high draft picks sitting on the bench are fading.


Why not get a paycut from Solder-- and see if Wills can handle LT? Plus Solder can help. While moving SOlder to RT. Unless you think Solder would be even more of a mess there and it just isn't worth it? It;s just that if you take any Tackle with the intent of having him be the starter at LT and he fails -- then you have no one.

I understand that SOlder might not be able to handle RT but if you get rid of him without full-knowing Wills or whoever can handle it - you're screwed. Better to search for a RT or maybe their bench Gates etc can help rather than having no LT?

Wills after a slight trade down  
ChicagoMarty : 2/24/2020 11:22 am : link
The cap hit with Solder would be prohibitive imo

Keep Nate around as the swing tackle and tutor
I'm working within BB's hypothetical  
JonC : 2/24/2020 11:27 am : link
and said be prepared, not definitively drop the axe.
which included Conklin at RT  
JonC : 2/24/2020 11:27 am : link
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I do think Solder's cap hit buys him another year  
JonC : 2/24/2020 11:37 am : link
but while him as the swing looks good on paper, got to think the guy wants to play.
Solder is most definitely a Giant  
LBH15 : 2/24/2020 11:41 am : link
for one more year because of the money, and because we don't have Tackle replacements on the roster yet.

As desperate as we were for a Tackle when we signed him, here were are two years later and in the same position.
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