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Ledyard breaks down the OTs

GiantsFan84 : 2/22/2020 4:53 pm
to me he's the best draftnik out there. he also offers a very good explanation as to why whirfs may be best at guard
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Couldn’t help but think of Ereck Flowers  
Biteymax22 : 2/22/2020 5:17 pm : link
When I read his report on Wirfs
RE: Couldn’t help but think of Ereck Flowers  
GiantsFan84 : 2/22/2020 5:19 pm : link
In comment 14816336 Biteymax22 said:
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When I read his report on Wirfs


disagree. flowers was not a hard worker and had attitude problems. but the lack of technique is concerning
Giants need to steer clear of Wirfs  
MeadowlandsMike : 2/22/2020 5:19 pm : link
Hopefully the reports of their interest are overblown
and bw's guy  
BigBlueCane : 2/22/2020 5:20 pm : link
Charles, has off the field issues, so he's off the board most likely.
RE: RE: Couldn’t help but think of Ereck Flowers  
Biteymax22 : 2/22/2020 5:37 pm : link
In comment 14816338 GiantsFan84 said:
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In comment 14816336 Biteymax22 said:


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When I read his report on Wirfs



disagree. flowers was not a hard worker and had attitude problems. but the lack of technique is concerning


Was referring to him outlining the technique issues, particularly when he crosses his feet. Not as much the attitude assessment.
looks like another vote for Wills  
Del Shofner : 2/22/2020 5:44 pm : link
possibly as high as #4
Will Wills possible non-elite arm length  
MeadowlandsMike : 2/22/2020 6:03 pm : link
Scare them off? Hopefully not.

Also Becton with some very high praise.

Wirfs not necessarily a fit especially if he can't play LT.
Wills sounds like the easy choice to me.  
robbieballs2003 : 2/22/2020 6:12 pm : link
As much as Becton is intriguing, taking him at 4 just doesn't make sense. Teaching technique to an OL at this stage of their development is not ideal. If you don't have it now the odds of you developing that against top tier DL is not in their favor. It isn't impossible but it is very risky. If a guy like him fell to the second round then that makes a ton of sense for us but because of his massive size and crazy potential he will get drafted much higher than that.
RE: and bw's guy  
Big Blue '56 : 2/22/2020 6:19 pm : link
In comment 14816342 BigBlueCane said:
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Charles, has off the field issues, so he's off the board most likely.


Let’s be accurate here. If he didn’t have off-field issues, he wouldn’t be bw’s guy.
Some have said  
MeadowlandsMike : 2/22/2020 6:36 pm : link
That the size and talent of Becton is so rare that he can still be good while he learns the position. Secondly some have said its the offense they ran that held him back a bit.

If his off season training shows marked improvement in drills and technique at the combine that may be enough for a prospect with such rare tools to make the case as OL1.

No issue with Wills though his tape is the best and there is almost no projection needed with him.
Lots of good ones  
since1925 : 2/22/2020 8:27 pm : link
Trade down.
I agree with his assessment of Austin Jackson,  
barens : 2/22/2020 11:20 pm : link
I never really understood the allure.
Is it me, or did Wills not look good  
barens : 2/22/2020 11:32 pm : link
Against Michigan in the bowl game? You can see the athleticism, and maybe Michigan’s defense is tough to figure out, but he didn’t look good to me.
T doesn't really surprise me that when someone posted  
BlueLou'sBack : 2/22/2020 11:36 pm : link
Ralph's assertion that the Giants "really like Wirfs" a bunch of posters jumped on board trumpeting what a fine player Wirfs is.


I finally got around to watching breakdowns of a few of his games. The guy is a train wreck, and G-d forbid some Giants' scouts really like him for a top OT.

Hopefully DG is directing smoke up RVs ass and RV is naiive enough to run with it.

No ffing way Wirfs is a top 10 pick. Wills and Thomas are the guys for OT early.

If you think Wirfs is a great OT prospect, you haven't studied him.
He's been reading my posts again  
Torrag : 2/23/2020 2:27 am : link
I need to file one of them plagiarism lawsuits.

Wills/Wirfs/Thomas/Becton...in that order.
Based on his write-ups it sounds like Wills is the  
ZogZerg : 2/23/2020 8:08 am : link
clear cut #1
I'm fine with him at #4 if the Giants can't work a reasonable trade back.
i think I like the upside of Becton best  
GiantsFan84 : 2/23/2020 8:43 am : link
He’d be the way I go If I had my choice of lineman
I recommend  
GoDeep13 : 2/23/2020 10:15 am : link
People take a look at Cameron Clark the LT from Charlotte. He’s got two cut ups on YouTube. Very good under the radar prospect. Reminds me of Terron Armstead.
From what I've seen over the decades  
sb from NYT Forum : 2/23/2020 10:15 am : link
... you just can't teach footwork to a rookie OL. They either have it at this point or they don't.
RE: i think I like the upside of Becton best  
MeadowlandsMike : 2/23/2020 10:18 am : link
In comment 14816585 GiantsFan84 said:
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He’d be the way I go If I had my choice of lineman


Back and forth on Wills and Becton as 1 and 1a. Wirfs and Thomas are distant 2nd and 3rd.
The Giants WILL have their choice of any OT in the draft.  
David B. : 2/23/2020 1:00 pm : link
Hopefully Saban will give Judge (and DG) the thumbs up or down on taking Wills at 4. If it's YES, I'd have no issue whatsoever FINALLY getting a cornerstone OT.
Funny, I'm more of a fan of Thomas.  
barens : 2/23/2020 1:40 pm : link
He just gets the job done in a tough conference. Wills looks like he has the best athleticism, and maybe there is more to work with, but he doesn't look as consistent to me.

It will all be very interesting to say the least.
This team really needs to draft an OT this year.  
BigBlueBuff : 2/23/2020 2:07 pm : link
There is a desperate need for a defensive playmaker as well, but the problems on the offensive line have been going on for too damn long. It's time to get that anchor left tackle and go from there.
Niang could be  
HoustonGiant : 2/24/2020 10:10 am : link
a steal.

Sounds like the system makes him hard to evaluate. But shutting down Young AND Bosa!
Wills  
KVRHzolklo6 : 2/24/2020 4:43 pm : link
is the most overrated prospect in the draft. He can't stop the bull-rush with his light anchor, and he commits false start penalties at the worst times to derail an offense. His pass-protection is very iffy.

Becton can't pass-protect. He's a liability in true pass sets. That's not a 1st round prospect in a passing league.

Wirfs is an NFL Right Guard.

These analysts are trying way too hard.
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