This could be a good year to overpay in free agency

like we did with Nate Solder and Olivier Vernon?

No thanks.

It’s a good time to make smart investments, while focusing on building in the draft, so when the cap goes up, we have a lot of money to lock up core pieces along the way. Like Saquon, Jones and Dexter.

But the Giants would also be wise to give extensions to several of their own young players who are eligible such as Jabrill Peppers, Dalvin Tomlinson, and Evan Engram.

up the tab again..no way.

Then they should.

Being scared because you made mistakes before is the wrong approach.

Be aggressive if you believe in Jones.

Or they could be left holding the bag if the CBA changes in other ways, and gives incentives for re-signing your own players etc.

The Oline, a MLB, Vet CB on a cost controlled deal (similar to Sam Madison or RW) and if available, a top pass rusher. I know it is asking for a lot but making moves at these spots couls drastically improve the team

In comment 14816635 Jay on the Island said:

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But the Giants would also be wise to give extensions to several of their own young players who are eligible such as Jabrill Peppers, Dalvin Tomlinson, and Evan Engram.

No to a least one of Peppers and Engram.

and when the NFL take the Sunday Ticket away from Directv. There will be a large revenue increase for the players which means higher Salaries for the best players. Todays contracts might be cheap 2 years from now. Which is more than likely why the NFLPA is telling they players to take short term deals.

But premium players are going to cost premium prices. I want the Giants to sign Anthony Harris to fill their deep safety role. I think that Harris, along with Love and Peppers would give us a trio reminiscent of KP, Rolle, and Grant. When we signed Rolle we made him the highest paid Safety in league history. Was it worth it? At the end of the day, I'd say it was.

how to do that.

2 questions - the cap is projected t go up but so is the roster. How much will it go up on a per roster slot basis?

You still have to get quality guys. If the guy is a dud, it doesn't matter how good of a deal it could be in 3 years.

In comment 14816635 Jay on the Island said:

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But the Giants would also be wise to give extensions to several of their own young players who are eligible such as Jabrill Peppers, Dalvin Tomlinson, and Evan Engram.

Evan Engram was a 1st round pick if you recall. We certainly have not got the better of that deal. Why would we want to sign him to a long term contract at what will be one of the highest paid TE's in the league. Not to mention he is unreliable on the field and injury prone.

Would be

Chris Jones. DE in a 3-4. 5 years 100 million
Jack Conklin. RT. 4 years 52 million
Joe Thuney. C. 4 years 44 million

Conklin and Thuney fill a huge void. Draft LT with first round pick and take the dead cap hit with Solder

Chris Jones is the best defensive player in FA. Worth every cent
Giants play a 3-4. Jones. Lawrence Williams with a rotation of Hill Tomlinson and McIntosh. Gives us a very very good front

Trading down from 4 will still get us one of the better LTs available
Use the extra picks and our second rounder on LBs / Edge
We have no LBs

Patrick Queen
Ken Murray
Darrell Taylor
Akeem Gaither
These guys all have speed and are sideline to sideline LB who can cover RB and TE out of backfield

the nature of the beast. All FA signings will likely get more money. If we desire someone, we might have to pay more then we all expect. All salaries are going up. QBs are now getting 30 Mil a year average salary! As projected league-wide revenue goes up, so does the cap and FA salaries as well.

In comment 14816629 Eric from BBI said:

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like we did with Nate Solder and Olivier Vernon? No thanks.

If Vernon doesn’t get hurt he’s worth every penny of that contract. Remember 2016? I do.

Not to mention the giants traded Vernon for a good guard in Zietler. The Vernon signing didn’t hurt us as much as popular opinion around here. His 2018 injury did hurt. Shit happens.

We also overpaid for snacks and jackrabbit. Overpaid for Canty and rolle too. Kmac got a monster contract for a RT and we all love him.

Keep waiting for that perfect cheap vet FA. Plaxico burress and Antonio Pierce happens once a decade is you’re lucky. Good luck.

Solder and Vernon were both the byproduct of BAD DRAFTS! Eric Flowers, Owa Odighizuwa, Damontre Moore, Marvin Austin were all flops and led to the Giants trying to plug holes in FA! Some of the flops, like Brandon Mosley were injury related. I'd like to see them find decent FAs (Conner McGovern) that are going to be somewhat costly but not devastating to the cap.
We complain about Solder but he has answered the bell each and every game and I am not sure we have always put him in a place to succeed. Leaving him 1 on 1 with Kahlil Mack is not a recipe for success. I hope we resign our critical guys such as Golden and Williams, sign one OL and one Pass Rusher and have a good draft! If we could sign a center and draft a RT I think our line will take another step forward. Was our OL great? Far from it. But if you go back to the beginning of the 2018 season, when Baldy was posting film of Greco and Omameh the line was better during the 2nd half of 2018 and last year. Lets hope Culumbo makes a difference and we keep adding young talent! As far as the defense, it is the biggest problem and I hope we can improve ASAP!

In comment 14816688 Earl the goat said:

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Would be Chris Jones. DE in a 3-4. 5 years 100 million Jack Conklin. RT. 4 years 52 million Joe Thuney. C. 4 years 44 million Conklin and Thuney fill a huge void. Draft LT with first round pick and take the dead cap hit with Solder Chris Jones is the best defensive player in FA. Worth every cent Giants play a 3-4. Jones. Lawrence Williams with a rotation of Hill Tomlinson and McIntosh. Gives us a very very good front Trading down from 4 will still get us one of the better LTs available Use the extra picks and our second rounder on LBs / Edge We have no LBs Patrick Queen Ken Murray Darrell Taylor Akeem Gaither These guys all have speed and are sideline to sideline LB who can cover RB and TE out of backfield

Conklin's weakness is pass blocking. Aggressive but smart, sign all those guys you mention sans Conklin and resign Williams and Golden. Let Gates compete for RT , get Wills or Becton and start them at RT if not ready for LT. Solder holds fort until cut next year. Solder also publicly stated he'd take a paycut so that helps.

Do I suggest the giants should go binge crazy this season but we need star veteran talent on this team, especially defensively. I’d you told me the giants spent big on two vet defenders and did nothing else, then zeroed in on bpa/OL talent in the draft? I’d love it.

At some point the giants need rj spend money again. There’s risk with every move or non move. Giants just need to do their homework, go all in and then prepare and work hard and hope.

If the giants never “overspend” on a FA again, be it their own or an outsider, they will never win another super bowl. Ever. Even the pats overspend once in a blue moon. By the way there’s no such thing as overspending in the moment, only hindsight enables usage of that moniker. You pay the going rate.

In comment 14816688 Earl the goat said:

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Would be Chris Jones. DE in a 3-4. 5 years 100 million Jack Conklin. RT. 4 years 52 million Joe Thuney. C. 4 years 44 million Conklin and Thuney fill a huge void. Draft LT with first round pick and take the dead cap hit with Solder Chris Jones is the best defensive player in FA. Worth every cent Giants play a 3-4. Jones. Lawrence Williams with a rotation of Hill Tomlinson and McIntosh. Gives us a very very good front Trading down from 4 will still get us one of the better LTs available Use the extra picks and our second rounder on LBs / Edge We have no LBs Patrick Queen Ken Murray Darrell Taylor Akeem Gaither These guys all have speed and are sideline to sideline LB who can cover RB and TE out of backfield

I had no idea Thuney was a FA this season. He would be an outstanding signing. He has improved each and every year, (didn't have a penalty this season) has yet to miss a game in 4 seasons. He would be a good addition to this team.

before BS and the idiots take it away.

In comment 14816701 MeadowlandsMike said:

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In comment 14816688 Earl the goat said: Quote: Would be Chris Jones. DE in a 3-4. 5 years 100 million Jack Conklin. RT. 4 years 52 million Joe Thuney. C. 4 years 44 million Conklin and Thuney fill a huge void. Draft LT with first round pick and take the dead cap hit with Solder Chris Jones is the best defensive player in FA. Worth every cent Giants play a 3-4. Jones. Lawrence Williams with a rotation of Hill Tomlinson and McIntosh. Gives us a very very good front Trading down from 4 will still get us one of the better LTs available Use the extra picks and our second rounder on LBs / Edge We have no LBs Patrick Queen Ken Murray Darrell Taylor Akeem Gaither These guys all have speed and are sideline to sideline LB who can cover RB and TE out of backfield Conklin's weakness is pass blocking. Aggressive but smart, sign all those guys you mention sans Conklin and resign Williams and Golden. Let Gates compete for RT , get Wills or Becton and start them at RT if not ready for LT. Solder holds fort until cut next year. Solder also publicly stated he'd take a paycut so that helps.

I agree with all except Golden. I would bypass LW too but GMEN don't want to do that so I'll accept it that it will happen.

Might as well go for Fowler instead.

If you get the right guy and he fits your culture and scheme then it can be smart to sign him.

I want either Ngakoue or Judon but it seems very likely they will be tagged.

So the next group of Clowney, Fowler might be options.

Golden and Beasley are the next group.

Call me crazy but I would be kinda psyched if we landed Clowney. He is a freak and is a pretty good 2 way end. Can drop as well so scheme diverse.

In comment 14816727 djm said:

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If the giants never “overspend” on a FA again, be it their own or an outsider, they will never win another super bowl. Ever. Even the pats overspend once in a blue moon. By the way there’s no such thing as overspending in the moment, only hindsight enables usage of that moniker. You pay the going rate.

The same people bitching “we spent too much” will be the same people saying “ if we only had a good pass rusher “.

In comment 14816635 Jay on the Island said:

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But the Giants would also be wise to give extensions to several of their own young players who are eligible such as Jabrill Peppers, Dalvin Tomlinson, and Evan Engram.

Yes on Tomlinson. He’s under appreciated here. Don’t let this kid go for no reason o Th St than being cheap and dumb

Engram depends on the deal and if he’s willing to add incentives like games played instead of salary. Since he can’t stay on the field
Peppers isn’t a make break player. He will most likely be better as
They get the talent level up at LB but he’s another guy who they can’t over pay. Right now he’s a starter level player but nothing special.

Dan Schneier
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The #Giants should be VERY aggressive in free agency w/ free agents 26 or unrder.
- $60M+ in cap space, soon to be $85M
- Franchise QB on rookie contract
- Offensive focal point (Saquon) on rookie contract
- Just $42M, soon to be $27M allocated to defense
#GiantsPride

Dan Schneier
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And I know that free agency isn't always the way to go, and there's more bad contracts than not, but there's also success stories (see the 2019 Packers, among others).
And even if you swing and miss, #Giants can get out of the contracts by the time they have to pay Jones/Barkley.

In comment 14816812 illmatic said:

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Dan Schneier @DanSchneierNFL · 3h The #Giants should be VERY aggressive in free agency w/ free agents 26 or unrder. - $60M+ in cap space, soon to be $85M - Franchise QB on rookie contract - Offensive focal point (Saquon) on rookie contract - Just $42M, soon to be $27M allocated to defense #GiantsPride Dan Schneier @DanSchneierNFL · 3h And I know that free agency isn't always the way to go, and there's more bad contracts than not, but there's also success stories (see the 2019 Packers, among others). And even if you swing and miss, #Giants can get out of the contracts by the time they have to pay Jones/Barkley.

I agree as well. Young pass rusher is a must, also would like a center.

He does not block, has bad hands, and can't stay on the field. But, other than that, he is a weapon. LOL

But I disagree with the logic. When you pay people who aren’t worth it it comes back to bite you in the ass every time. Because a player will come available who is worth it and then you can’t get him because of the bad contracts the team has.

This team is not one good offseason away. Sorry but it’s not. They should not go around giving away bad contracts.

And back to the OP. If the cap expands more than normal because of the CBA you can rest assured that players under contract will be asking for more money.

then when a rival signs one...

Gettleman was asleep at the wheel. They should have signed that guy.

In comment 14816846 GiantsFan84 said:

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But I disagree with the logic. When you pay people who aren’t worth it it comes back to bite you in the ass every time. Because a player will come available who is worth it and then you can’t get him because of the bad contracts the team has. This team is not one good offseason away. Sorry but it’s not. They should not go around giving away bad contracts.

I disagree with everything you say.

1--- Your definition of "who is worth it" probably is a definition of being too cheap.

2--- Your definition of a player "who is worth it" probably means "after the fact evaluate if the player and team did well."
SO I ask how do you define who is "worth it?" I don;t know. I do know sitting back on our ass and praying is not an answer.

3--- We hear a lot that you have a window when your QB is young, and his contract is cheap.
A poster named "Torrag" recently mentioned that the jets traded down and got a 1st and 2nd's. SO you are saying that our GM isn't competent enough to get near that along with our GM is that incompetent after year 3 with a cheap QB -- that he has a chance to get up to 4 impact players in Free Agency, and he could have up to 5 pics in the 1st 3 rounds, and you don;t think we can be competitive for a playoff spot with all this capital?


Overall, being scared to make a mistake is not the way to run a franchise. We could "what if" anything to death.
If you say "No we can;t." Then can't we agree that we have a GM that's in over his head?

***If we have our QB and wiht all this FA money and potnetial dratf pciks, we shoudl at leats be coemttive for a palyoff spot. Unless Jones isn't a good QB?????

In comment 14816846 GiantsFan84 said:

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But I disagree with the logic. When you pay people who aren’t worth it it comes back to bite you in the ass every time.

I think my use of the word "overpay" has caused confusion.

First of all, basically every contract signed by an A-list free agent is gonna be an overpay. That's why he signed with you. Because 31 other teams said no to that price. Obviously that's overstating it, but you get the point. What makes overpaying worth it is the fact you hopefully a bunch of talented players still on their rookie contracts who are being underpaid based on there contribution.

But that wasn't the point of the OP. The point is that because of the impact that a new CBA (and subsequent TV deal) will have on the salary cap over the next three years, what may seem like an overpay today will seem like a pedestrian salary in 2022.

It's still important to identify and sign good players. That hasn't changed. It's just the risk factor of a so-called big contract that has gone down. This year and perhaps next year too will be the last chance to sign free agents (or extend current players) based on the pay scale of the old CBA and TV deal.

p.s.--Nobody seems to point out that after making the playoffs in 2016 everybody was raving about what a great job Reese had done signing Vernon, Jenkins, and Snacks. It was considered one of the rare times when spending big in free agency actually paid off. Things can change on a dime in the NFL.

In comment 14816978 giantstock said:

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In comment 14816846 GiantsFan84 said: Quote: But I disagree with the logic. When you pay people who aren’t worth it it comes back to bite you in the ass every time. Because a player will come available who is worth it and then you can’t get him because of the bad contracts the team has. This team is not one good offseason away. Sorry but it’s not. They should not go around giving away bad contracts. I disagree with everything you say. 1--- Your definition of "who is worth it" probably is a definition of being too cheap. 2--- Your definition of a player "who is worth it" probably means "after the fact evaluate if the player and team did well." SO I ask how do you define who is "worth it?" I don;t know. I do know sitting back on our ass and praying is not an answer. 3--- We hear a lot that you have a window when your QB is young, and his contract is cheap. A poster named "Torrag" recently mentioned that the jets traded down and got a 1st and 2nd's. SO you are saying that our GM isn't competent enough to get near that along with our GM is that incompetent after year 3 with a cheap QB -- that he has a chance to get up to 4 impact players in Free Agency, and he could have up to 5 pics in the 1st 3 rounds, and you don;t think we can be competitive for a playoff spot with all this capital? Overall, being scared to make a mistake is not the way to run a franchise. We could "what if" anything to death. If you say "No we can;t." Then can't we agree that we have a GM that's in over his head? ***If we have our QB and wiht all this FA money and potnetial dratf pciks, we shoudl at leats be coemttive for a palyoff spot. Unless Jones isn't a good QB?????

Yes I absolutely believe our GM is incompetent and won’t be able to get that kind of return