The media is never going to get anything about any single player EVER from this guy. It's going to be the most frustrating pressers win or lose EVER.
Zero accolades, zero criticisms, zero NAMES. Ever! He's Bells on steroids.
Probably conducive to a great relationship with the team but the media will hate this guy pretty quickly if they can't get any meat for their stories. If you're a fan, you won't glean much from a season of WE's. At least it keeps the conjugation simple. Just win baby.
Dan Salomone
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Coach Judge reiterates every returning Giant has a blank slate. “Everybody is going to have the same opportunity on a daily basis — to compete. ... The past is irrelevant.”
Ryan Dunleavy
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Dave Gettleman on if #Giants don’t sign Leonard Williams: I’ll get killed #NYGiants
Leonard has Dave by the balls. And Dave knows it.
He's just stating the obvious. It doesn't mean he will re-sign him, only that if he doesn't, he will get slammed for it. That's not telling the agent anything he doesn't already know.
If worse comes to worse, they can allow him to field offers in free agency with the understanding that he will give the Giants an opportunity to match any offer. Ultimately, that would be the best case scenario (assuming he returns) because it would mean giving up a 5th round pick in 2021 instead of a 4th round pick.
Jordan Raanan
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Dave Gettleman understands the impression if they don’t re-sign Leonard Williams. “I’ll get killed. I’ve got thick rhino hyde.”
Jordan Raanan
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Dave Gettleman understands the impression if they don’t re-sign Leonard Williams. “I’ll get killed. I’ve got thick rhino hyde.”
There you have it -- actual context. But I'm sure that won't prevent more whining on this thread about how Gettleman has given away any negotiation leverage.
Now if you want to blast him once again for doing the Williams deal in the first place, on the other hand...
Jordan Raanan
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Joe Judge has still not publicly mentioned a single Giants players name since being hired. Truly a remarkable accomplishment.
That Joe Judge said everything meaningful he's ever gonna say in his opening press conference. And everything else is just gonna be reiterating that same stuff.
Think what you will about DG as a GM but he's usually at least entertaining, and informative within the context of what info he'll discuss.
Yeah, im going to completely disagree. Judge has a plan and a message and stays on point. Gettleman comes off as a babbling, stammering buffoon who speaks in superlatives and has no idea what he is doing. Give me Judge all day every day.
I don't get that impression at all from DG. I love where Judge is coming from, but think DG is just doesn't really want to disclose too much while at the same time, he's pretty frank about certain things. You just don't agree with his methods, but that doesn't make him a buffoon.
Why do I even bother.. go ahead and think what you want lol
"I’ve got thick rhino hyde" is disingenuous. Basically he was sending the opposite message to the agent than what is suggested. He's saying "Yeah we all know that I'll be slammed by the media and fans if he isn't re-signed, but that won't influence the pricetag."
And Gettleman's history has shown that he is not one to let good money chase bad money even if it makes his past decisions look bad.
If I never another word DG said again I would be fine with that.
I actually prefer Gettleman's. At least with Gettleman you get a sense of what's important to him. With Judge it's all just coachspeak cliches. He wants tough, smart, fundamentally sound players who put the team first. No shit, Sherlock. I want a rich, young woman with big tits and an oral addiction. Did I just tell you something you didn't already know???
Anyone getting wound up about Judge's media soundbites
Really needs a perspective check. His job isn't giving the media and fans amazingly new and fresh insights every time he speaks. His job is to create a winning team. If he does that, he can go up to the podium and speak in cliches every week for all I care.
Here's an infamous example of a guy who "said all the right things." Guess where that got him?
"I’ve got thick rhino hyde" is disingenuous. Basically he was sending the opposite message to the agent than what is suggested. He's saying "Yeah we all know that I'll be slammed by the media and fans if he isn't re-signed, but that won't influence the pricetag."
And Gettleman's history has shown that he is not one to let good money chase bad money even if it makes his past decisions look bad.
Totally agree...very misleading reporting
RE: RE: Absolutely love everything I’m hearing, thus far
Really needs a perspective check. His job isn't giving the media and fans amazingly new and fresh insights every time he speaks. His job is to create a winning team.
Not sure if that was directed at me or not. I have no problem with Judge's approach to talking to the media, it just means the interview is of no value to me because I learn nothing from it.
Dan Salomone
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Gettleman on Nate Solder: “Like Joe said, everybody’s got a blank slate and everybody’s competing.”
The "blank slate" approach is fine, but you also have to make good business decisions as well. I hope they don't take this approach on players who, if cut, could save the Giants a significant amount of cap space. Guys like Kareem Martin or Alec Ogletree should not be on this team anymore.
Reading between the lines JJ said expicitly that they won't be bringing in older players to teach the youngsters; that's the coaches job.
You might conclude that if the reason you were hired in the first place was to "give a veteran presence" you may be on shaky ground.
Dan Salomone
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Judge said they won’t sign older players just to teach younger players. That’s the coaches’ job.
Music to my ears. I hate the idea of a washed up vet being signed just to mentor a younger player. Coaches coach, and players play. Let the coaches earn their paycheck.
Dan Salomone
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Gettleman on Nate Solder: “Like Joe said, everybody’s got a blank slate and everybody’s competing.”
The "blank slate" approach is fine, but you also have to make good business decisions as well. I hope they don't take this approach on players who, if cut, could save the Giants a significant amount of cap space. Guys like Kareem Martin or Alec Ogletree should not be on this team anymore.
I suspect blank slate means no preconceived notions. That doesn't mean they aren't using game and practice tape to evaluate current players now.
RE: RE: Anyone getting wound up about Judge's media soundbites
Really needs a perspective check. His job isn't giving the media and fans amazingly new and fresh insights every time he speaks. His job is to create a winning team.
Not sure if that was directed at me or not. I have no problem with Judge's approach to talking to the media, it just means the interview is of no value to me because I learn nothing from it.
Not directed at you specifically, but I would say your reaction of "No shit Sherlock, tell me something I don't know" indicates you're not necessarily neutral on the matter. ;-)
Those who think Judge didn't give some significant insights today were not listening closely.
+1
Some people (fans and media alike) strangely think they’re entitled to a detailed description of the Giants plans for the roster, draft or free agent strategy, offensive/defensive scheme strategy, and act like babies when they don’t get it.
Anyone who thinks Judge hasn’t consistently given insightful media comments should go listen to a sampling of Belichick pressers for comparison.
more overreaction. Also, the entire quote is pretty important. If he doesn't sign, he'll get killed by the media and fans, which is entirely true, he already has been. He has thick skin, meaning that if he doesn't get signed and the media kills him, it won't affect him much. That comment won't affect contract negotiation at all.
more overreaction. Also, the entire quote is pretty important. If he doesn't sign, he'll get killed by the media and fans, which is entirely true, he already has been. He has thick skin, meaning that if he doesn't get signed and the media kills him, it won't affect him much. That comment won't affect contract negotiation at all.
these are the same posters that had mental mental downs because our fat lb coach had an interview set up.
Madelyn Burke
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Asked why it was so important to add teachers to the coaching roster, Joe Judge says “We don’t have cheerleaders in the Giants organization, from what I understand... it was important not to add them in the coaching office either”
Holy shit, now THAT is a quote.
Unless this guy is an utter moron at calling a game, I think he'll do wonders for this team.
but I don't really care what Judge has to say. Not really sure I care what Gettleman says either. For the past 4 years, 3(now 4) different head coaches, 2 GM's and 2 Owners have all 'said the right things', with the same crappy results. I'll be slightly excited to see the FA's that we sign and i'll follow the draft, but I can't remember an offseason where I was less excited about the words coming out of the FO or what the media has to say. I look to some decent insight on this website for things not covered in the MSM and I have been following the coaching hires loosely. I still worry that Judge was an after thought when we missed out on Rivera(not that we were ever in it) and Rhule (not that I was ever a huge fan but got the impression he was the Giants first choice). I like what he has said, but then again words are cheap. I look forward to September and a better than .500 season.
imo, the comment means nothing in the negotiation land.
Could mean: "So what? Ill have to handle it. Media comments don't bother me'
Could mean: I know he doesn't want to be franchised
Could mean: If he asks too much Ill get roasted but the NYG wont bend past a point
Could mean: I know you assholes would love it
Highly unlikely it means much at all in the negotiations.
Its a throw away line. imo
Red meat for the irrational to gyrate
This is all mostly true, but it leaves out the most important point, IMO: it wasn't necessary to say at all. Even if it hands over absolutely no negotiating leverage to LW's agent, it certainly doesn't help DG's position at all.
He doesn't have to talk so much. He just makes things harder on himself in the process.
RE: Guys who hate DG will seize on this comment but
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Dave Gettleman on if #Giants don’t sign Leonard Williams: I’ll get killed #NYGiants
What if he wants $20 mil per year? Still sign him?
Zero accolades, zero criticisms, zero NAMES. Ever! He's Bells on steroids.
Probably conducive to a great relationship with the team but the media will hate this guy pretty quickly if they can't get any meat for their stories. If you're a fan, you won't glean much from a season of WE's. At least it keeps the conjugation simple. Just win baby.
In comment 14818395 Eric from BBI said:
@NYGsalomone
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Coach Judge reiterates every returning Giant has a blank slate. “Everybody is going to have the same opportunity on a daily basis — to compete. ... The past is irrelevant.”
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Dave Gettleman on if #Giants don’t sign Leonard Williams: I’ll get killed #NYGiants
He really said that? What a maroon!
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Dave Gettleman on if #Giants don’t sign Leonard Williams: I’ll get killed #NYGiants
This trade just gets worse and worse
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Ryan Dunleavy
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Dave Gettleman on if #Giants don’t sign Leonard Williams: I’ll get killed #NYGiants
Leonard has Dave by the balls. And Dave knows it.
If worse comes to worse, they can allow him to field offers in free agency with the understanding that he will give the Giants an opportunity to match any offer. Ultimately, that would be the best case scenario (assuming he returns) because it would mean giving up a 5th round pick in 2021 instead of a 4th round pick.
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Ryan Dunleavy
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Dave Gettleman on if #Giants don’t sign Leonard Williams: I’ll get killed #NYGiants
FFS. Everyone clamoring for DG to talk more? Good Lord. Way to negotiate against yourself moron.
Seriously. Buffoon. I have a feeling we will be seeing a Joe Douglas scenario after the draft with Old Yeller.
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Dave Gettleman understands the impression if they don’t re-sign Leonard Williams. “I’ll get killed. I’ve got thick rhino hyde.”
Could mean: "So what? Ill have to handle it. Media comments don't bother me'
Could mean: I know he doesn't want to be franchised
Could mean: If he asks too much Ill get roasted but the NYG wont bend past a point
Could mean: I know you assholes would love it
Highly unlikely it means much at all in the negotiations.
Its a throw away line. imo
Red meat for the irrational to gyrate
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Gettleman expect most of top pass rushers to get franchise/transition tagged before free agency #giants
Sales Negotiation 101 FAIL
Bang up reporting by the beats as usual.
@JordanRaanan
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Dave Gettleman understands the impression if they don’t re-sign Leonard Williams. “I’ll get killed. I’ve got thick rhino hyde.”
There you have it -- actual context. But I'm sure that won't prevent more whining on this thread about how Gettleman has given away any negotiation leverage.
Now if you want to blast him once again for doing the Williams deal in the first place, on the other hand...
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Joe Judge has still not publicly mentioned a single Giants players name since being hired. Truly a remarkable accomplishment.
Could mean: "So what? Ill have to handle it. Media comments don't bother me'
Could mean: I know he doesn't want to be franchised
Could mean: If he asks too much Ill get roasted but the NYG wont bend past a point
Could mean: I know you assholes would love it
Highly unlikely it means much at all in the negotiations.
Its a throw away line. imo
Red meat for the irrational to gyrate
He really is a caricature at this point. But he does provide great material...his public events are must watch.
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That Joe Judge said everything meaningful he's ever gonna say in his opening press conference. And everything else is just gonna be reiterating that same stuff.
Think what you will about DG as a GM but he's usually at least entertaining, and informative within the context of what info he'll discuss.
Yeah, im going to completely disagree. Judge has a plan and a message and stays on point. Gettleman comes off as a babbling, stammering buffoon who speaks in superlatives and has no idea what he is doing. Give me Judge all day every day.
I don't get that impression at all from DG. I love where Judge is coming from, but think DG is just doesn't really want to disclose too much while at the same time, he's pretty frank about certain things. You just don't agree with his methods, but that doesn't make him a buffoon.
Why do I even bother.. go ahead and think what you want lol
Ryan Dunleavy
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Dave Gettleman on if #Giants don’t sign Leonard Williams: I’ll get killed #NYGiants
Can only mean, he is pretty sure it will happen......which was my impression when this trade was done.
If I never another word DG said again I would be fine with that.
Could mean: "So what? Ill have to handle it. Media comments don't bother me'
Could mean: I know he doesn't want to be franchised
Could mean: If he asks too much Ill get roasted but the NYG wont bend past a point
Could mean: I know you assholes would love it
Highly unlikely it means much at all in the negotiations.
Its a throw away line. imo
Red meat for the irrational to gyrate
Judge said they won’t sign older players just to teach younger players. That’s the coaches’ job.
He better tell that to Gettleman.
And Gettleman's history has shown that he is not one to let good money chase bad money even if it makes his past decisions look bad.
@rydunleavy
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Dave Gettleman on if #Giants don’t sign Leonard Williams: I’ll get killed #NYGiants
There goes the majority of cap space!
If I never another word DG said again I would be fine with that.
Here's an infamous example of a guy who "said all the right things." Guess where that got him?
Phil Emery, Hall of Fame GM - NOT
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Giants GM Dave Gettleman on the possibility of trading back from No. 4: “We’re open for business.”
Must be a misquote because I have repeatedly on BBI that DG refuses to even consider trading down.
And Gettleman's history has shown that he is not one to let good money chase bad money even if it makes his past decisions look bad.
Totally agree...very misleading reporting
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Still to be determined and it has to translate in the meeting rooms and on the field, but it’s all so refreshing.
LFG
Not being obtuse and I like Judge, but what are you hearing?
Blank slate. Has yet to call a player by name. You, meaning the player, haven’t earned anything with this coaching staff.
DG saying they are open for business at the 4 pick, especially.
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Gettleman on Nate Solder: “Like Joe said, everybody’s got a blank slate and everybody’s competing.”
The "blank slate" approach is fine, but you also have to make good business decisions as well. I hope they don't take this approach on players who, if cut, could save the Giants a significant amount of cap space. Guys like Kareem Martin or Alec Ogletree should not be on this team anymore.
Reading between the lines JJ said expicitly that they won't be bringing in older players to teach the youngsters; that's the coaches job.
You might conclude that if the reason you were hired in the first place was to "give a veteran presence" you may be on shaky ground.
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Judge said they won’t sign older players just to teach younger players. That’s the coaches’ job.
Music to my ears. I hate the idea of a washed up vet being signed just to mentor a younger player. Coaches coach, and players play. Let the coaches earn their paycheck.
Bad news for Alex Tanney.
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Dan Salomone
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Gettleman on Nate Solder: “Like Joe said, everybody’s got a blank slate and everybody’s competing.”
The "blank slate" approach is fine, but you also have to make good business decisions as well. I hope they don't take this approach on players who, if cut, could save the Giants a significant amount of cap space. Guys like Kareem Martin or Alec Ogletree should not be on this team anymore.
I suspect blank slate means no preconceived notions. That doesn't mean they aren't using game and practice tape to evaluate current players now.
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Really needs a perspective check. His job isn't giving the media and fans amazingly new and fresh insights every time he speaks. His job is to create a winning team.
Not sure if that was directed at me or not. I have no problem with Judge's approach to talking to the media, it just means the interview is of no value to me because I learn nothing from it.
Not directed at you specifically, but I would say your reaction of "No shit Sherlock, tell me something I don't know" indicates you're not necessarily neutral on the matter. ;-)
+1
Some people (fans and media alike) strangely think they’re entitled to a detailed description of the Giants plans for the roster, draft or free agent strategy, offensive/defensive scheme strategy, and act like babies when they don’t get it.
Anyone who thinks Judge hasn’t consistently given insightful media comments should go listen to a sampling of Belichick pressers for comparison.
these are the same posters that had mental mental downs because our fat lb coach had an interview set up.
@MadelynBurke
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Asked why it was so important to add teachers to the coaching roster, Joe Judge says “We don’t have cheerleaders in the Giants organization, from what I understand... it was important not to add them in the coaching office either”
Holy shit, now THAT is a quote.
Unless this guy is an utter moron at calling a game, I think he'll do wonders for this team.
Could mean: "So what? Ill have to handle it. Media comments don't bother me'
Could mean: I know he doesn't want to be franchised
Could mean: If he asks too much Ill get roasted but the NYG wont bend past a point
Could mean: I know you assholes would love it
Highly unlikely it means much at all in the negotiations.
Its a throw away line. imo
Red meat for the irrational to gyrate
Thanks Bill2.
Could not have said it better. Lots of "maroons"....
Could mean: "So what? Ill have to handle it. Media comments don't bother me'
Could mean: I know he doesn't want to be franchised
Could mean: If he asks too much Ill get roasted but the NYG wont bend past a point
Could mean: I know you assholes would love it
Highly unlikely it means much at all in the negotiations.
Its a throw away line. imo
Red meat for the irrational to gyrate
This is all mostly true, but it leaves out the most important point, IMO: it wasn't necessary to say at all. Even if it hands over absolutely no negotiating leverage to LW's agent, it certainly doesn't help DG's position at all.
He doesn't have to talk so much. He just makes things harder on himself in the process.
You think it's a done deal already? What are the terms, nostradamus?