We totally agree that if Hanlon got this guy to be a sphinx he and the NYG would be better off.
I don't think our media allows that. For them getting DG talking is always sure to generate hot takes and easy derision.
The NYG should pay Jeter through the nose to come up and give a seminar at being in front of cameras 200 plus times a year and saying absolutely nothing for 20 years.
Not directed at you specifically, but I would say your reaction of "No shit Sherlock, tell me something I don't know" indicates you're not necessarily neutral on the matter. ;-)
That's just my reaction to the fans who think they've gleaned something from what he's said. I completely understand the strategy of speaking in cliches and giving out zero information. And I think it's especially important for a coach who is inexperienced at dealing with the media. Gettleman gets himself into trouble not because he says things that reveal his thinking, but because he hands out enough scraps that people think they know what he's thinking and then they run with their interpretation of it. A perfect example of it is when he said he "didn't sign OBJ in order to trade him." That was absolutely true when he signed the extension in 2018, but had no bearing on 2019 given all the shit that subsequently went down. For some reason, people felt they had been lied to, but he was merely stating a fact. And you still see reporters bringing up that quote as evidence that he's a liar.
RE: RE: Judge and DG have two very different styles
If I never another word DG said again I would be fine with that.
I actually prefer Gettleman's. At least with Gettleman you get a sense of what's important to him. With Judge it's all just coachspeak cliches. He wants tough, smart, fundamentally sound players who put the team first. No shit, Sherlock. I want a rich, young woman with big tits and an oral addiction. Did I just tell you something you didn't already know???
You don't get a sense of what's important to Judge that's a bit different from how other coaches frame it?
He's emphasized two things in such a way that I seldom see: teaching, and holding his coaching staff accountable for the lack thereof.
If I'm a player, I love it. He's delivering the message in the exact right way. He's not implying that the players themselves don't have work to do or won't be accountable, but he's also not likely to blindly align himself with the position coaches.
imo, the comment means nothing in the negotiation land.
Could mean: "So what? Ill have to handle it. Media comments don't bother me'
Could mean: I know he doesn't want to be franchised
Could mean: If he asks too much Ill get roasted but the NYG wont bend past a point
Could mean: I know you assholes would love it
Highly unlikely it means much at all in the negotiations.
Its a throw away line. imo
Red meat for the irrational to gyrate
This is all mostly true, but it leaves out the most important point, IMO: it wasn't necessary to say at all. Even if it hands over absolutely no negotiating leverage to LW's agent, it certainly doesn't help DG's position at all.
He doesn't have to talk so much. He just makes things harder on himself in the process.
imo, the comment means nothing in the negotiation land.
Could mean: "So what? Ill have to handle it. Media comments don't bother me'
Could mean: I know he doesn't want to be franchised
Could mean: If he asks too much Ill get roasted but the NYG wont bend past a point
Could mean: I know you assholes would love it
Highly unlikely it means much at all in the negotiations.
Its a throw away line. imo
Red meat for the irrational to gyrate
Absolutely right.
It’s lip service people. Since when does DG give a fuck about being roasted? He drafted Daniel jones last year knowing full well it was going to set off a wide spread nuclear response. He even said “no guts no glory.”
What DG says in a friggin presser has absolutely no impact on contract negotiations. Cmon people. The guy just got over cancer. He’s closing in on 70. He’s seen and done everything in the nfl for decades. Based on DG’e aura, disposition, history, you name it, I don’t think the guy gives two fucks whether he’s vilified in the media. He’s going to do what he wants to do. He isn’t going to sign Williams simply because he’s scared of getting killed. And Williams has as much leverage as he’s getting based on what other teams MIGHT pay him. Money talks bullshit walks. You get paid based on how good the league perceives you to be.
See what you want. Get mad at what you want. It’s all bullshit.
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Dave Gettleman on if #Giants don’t sign Leonard Williams: I’ll get killed #NYGiants
Can only mean, he is pretty sure it will happen......which was my impression when this trade was done.
I take this to mean that they will try to sign Williams and if that cannot reach agreement then the Giants will tag him.
I don't think our media allows that. For them getting DG talking is always sure to generate hot takes and easy derision.
The NYG should pay Jeter through the nose to come up and give a seminar at being in front of cameras 200 plus times a year and saying absolutely nothing for 20 years.
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Dave Gettleman on if #Giants don’t sign Leonard Williams: I’ll get killed #NYGiants
That's some negotiating tactic. "If I don't buy this car, my wife will kill me so give you the best deal." Holy cow.
Did Gettleman actually say that??
Would you be surprised? That's, like, the most Gettlemany thing to say, ever.
Not directed at you specifically, but I would say your reaction of "No shit Sherlock, tell me something I don't know" indicates you're not necessarily neutral on the matter. ;-)
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I much prefer Judge's.
If I never another word DG said again I would be fine with that.
I actually prefer Gettleman's. At least with Gettleman you get a sense of what's important to him. With Judge it's all just coachspeak cliches. He wants tough, smart, fundamentally sound players who put the team first. No shit, Sherlock. I want a rich, young woman with big tits and an oral addiction. Did I just tell you something you didn't already know???
You don't get a sense of what's important to Judge that's a bit different from how other coaches frame it?
He's emphasized two things in such a way that I seldom see: teaching, and holding his coaching staff accountable for the lack thereof.
If I'm a player, I love it. He's delivering the message in the exact right way. He's not implying that the players themselves don't have work to do or won't be accountable, but he's also not likely to blindly align himself with the position coaches.
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imo, the comment means nothing in the negotiation land.
Could mean: "So what? Ill have to handle it. Media comments don't bother me'
Could mean: I know he doesn't want to be franchised
Could mean: If he asks too much Ill get roasted but the NYG wont bend past a point
Could mean: I know you assholes would love it
Highly unlikely it means much at all in the negotiations.
Its a throw away line. imo
Red meat for the irrational to gyrate
This is all mostly true, but it leaves out the most important point, IMO: it wasn't necessary to say at all. Even if it hands over absolutely no negotiating leverage to LW's agent, it certainly doesn't help DG's position at all.
He doesn't have to talk so much. He just makes things harder on himself in the process.
Exactly, and that's what makes him a 'maroon.'
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Who was the DUMB ASS who asked if he met with Tua?
Some of the NY beat folks really suck.
Could mean: "So what? Ill have to handle it. Media comments don't bother me'
Could mean: I know he doesn't want to be franchised
Could mean: If he asks too much Ill get roasted but the NYG wont bend past a point
Could mean: I know you assholes would love it
Highly unlikely it means much at all in the negotiations.
Its a throw away line. imo
Red meat for the irrational to gyrate
Absolutely right.
It’s lip service people. Since when does DG give a fuck about being roasted? He drafted Daniel jones last year knowing full well it was going to set off a wide spread nuclear response. He even said “no guts no glory.”
What DG says in a friggin presser has absolutely no impact on contract negotiations. Cmon people. The guy just got over cancer. He’s closing in on 70. He’s seen and done everything in the nfl for decades. Based on DG’e aura, disposition, history, you name it, I don’t think the guy gives two fucks whether he’s vilified in the media. He’s going to do what he wants to do. He isn’t going to sign Williams simply because he’s scared of getting killed. And Williams has as much leverage as he’s getting based on what other teams MIGHT pay him. Money talks bullshit walks. You get paid based on how good the league perceives you to be.
See what you want. Get mad at what you want. It’s all bullshit.