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The Checkdown @thecheckdown Clemson LB Isaiah Simmons raced RB Travis Etienne and matched him step-for-step @isaiahsimmons25 @ClemsonFB |
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Dan Schneier @DanSchneierNFL · 9h He’s an excellent football player already (with obvious room to improve given age and experience). But Isaiah Simmons is also a generational athlete. Think Devin Bush from last draft, but a better athlete. The #Giants defense — check that — team — needs a prospect like this. |
I'd love to have a stud linebacker in here. Been a while. Centerpiece to the defense.
I'd love to have a stud linebacker in here. Been a while. Centerpiece to the defense.
I'd take either Simmons or Okudah. I disagree with those calling to trade down to the Raiders for a 12 and 19 or whatever. If you trade down, do it a spot or two and pick up a premium player.
I like the idea of moving down to 7-8 range and getting Simmons
But close enough to impress me, and I was already an Isaiah fan!
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as an OLB, or a Strong Safety. I'm good with the Giants picking Simmons at #4 if Young and Okudah are gone. I do think Simmons is a great target if the Giants move down a few spots.
I like the idea of moving down to 7-8 range and getting Simmons
I'd sign up for that, too. 6th as well.
That's what all those slow hog mollies up front do. We need players that complement each other and given the way our DL is structured, Simmons would be a great fit.
TEs and other short routes up the middle have been crushing us on third downs for years. Simmons is the answer to that.
I am really enamored with his freak potential, and having a hell raiser who can be all over the field... but I get worried about his size. A little too big for safety, a little too small for OLB.
I am really enamored with his freak potential, and having a hell raiser who can be all over the field... but I get worried about his size. A little too big for safety, a little too small for OLB.
It's a good question. I'd think with an NFL Strength Program he should be able to add about 10-15 LB's of muscle to that frame. He's already 6'4, but get him up closer to 245 and he could be a monster.
The short, but stout enforcer is the kind of player that can immediately change the personality of a defense. Don’t be fooled by the lack of height when diagnosing his size and presence, as he is big where it matters and is often the most physical player on the field. Bush is a three down linebacker that will have to prove he is healthy and durable, but there is almost no risk with him. He is going to be a stud.
*I am still going to label Bush as a top 10 player in this class and while I know he won’t be the pick at #6, he would in the discussion if it were up to me. Sometimes guys with a lack of stereotypical size are mistaken for a lack of physical presence and power, but Bush might be the most physical one of the bunch. NYG has struggled with consistent LB play for a long time and I’ve had many debates whether or not premium picks should be spent on this spot, but I think it is being proven over and over a guy like this can change an entire defense right away.
First, this isn't 1990. The NFL isn't relying on 250 pound linebackers anymore. Today's NFL is speed and flexibility. Second, he won the Butkus Award as the nation's top linebacker. For how many years have we been screaming for a LB who can cover tight ends?
I disagree with those calling to trade down to the Raiders for a 12 and 19 or whatever. If you trade down, do it a spot or two and pick up a premium player.
I agree. There are a few premium non-qb's in the draft. IMO, they are Young, Simmons, Okudah and Wills. If we do as you suggested and trade down a spot or two, we can still get one of them.
yet a player comes along on defense that is big.. fast.. and can cover... but NO we dont want that..
1st level: Lawrence and Willams
2nd level: Simmons
3rd level: Baker and Peppers
That's some nice talent on every level of the defense. Some saavy veteran move and good coaching and we could have something there.
I mentioned Okudah's agent is Rich Paul.I wonder who's representing Simmons.
The short, but stout enforcer is the kind of player that can immediately change the personality of a defense. Don’t be fooled by the lack of height when diagnosing his size and presence, as he is big where it matters and is often the most physical player on the field. Bush is a three down linebacker that will have to prove he is healthy and durable, but there is almost no risk with him. He is going to be a stud.
*I am still going to label Bush as a top 10 player in this class and while I know he won’t be the pick at #6, he would in the discussion if it were up to me. Sometimes guys with a lack of stereotypical size are mistaken for a lack of physical presence and power, but Bush might be the most physical one of the bunch. NYG has struggled with consistent LB play for a long time and I’ve had many debates whether or not premium picks should be spent on this spot, but I think it is being proven over and over a guy like this can change an entire defense right away.
I agree with you, and that was my first thought, but I will say if there is one area they are both really good at, is timing there blitzes. But other than that, I just don't get the comparison.
Second, Simmons is a tweener. And those guys are not good pros. Shaq Thompson was a STUD in college. Superstar LB and RB, but he was a tweener between LB and S. It matters. Instincts at LB matter and Simmons doesn't have a lot of experience there.
Third, Simmons seems to be best as a run and chase LB. And I don't think this 3-4 / multiple scheme is going to be that. Patrick Graham is not some defensive mastermind.
Take the shut down corner all day over this guy.
and 4 other new play-makers as well.
Yes giants already have one, in fact, a touch of God one
I am really enamored with his freak potential, and having a hell raiser who can be all over the field... but I get worried about his size. A little too big for safety, a little too small for OLB.
I think you might be hung up on some outdated size requirements. There's a fair number of LBs in the NFL playing at a similar size to Simmons' listed height/weight.
Of course if a player can put on muscle without losing any athleticism, speed, flexibility, etc. (or increasing injury risk), that would be better. But I don't think Simmons is completely in tweener territory as/is unless he measures smaller at the combine.
If not in the 1st rd, then it better be in FA plus with a 2nd rd pick. The Giants need a starting RT and a future LT to come out of this draft. Can't be wasting anymore wear and tear on Barkley's career and Jones health.
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Move would be bad, we still can't protect our QB, #4 has to be Wills or Becton, it just has to be.
If not in the 1st rd, then it better be in FA plus with a 2nd rd pick. The Giants need a starting RT and a future LT to come out of this draft. Can't be wasting anymore wear and tear on Barkley's career and Jones health.
I definitely feel more comfortable with a guarentee premium pick vs reaching for a position of need, did Flowers not teach you guys anything?
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Move would be bad, we still can't protect our QB, #4 has to be Wills or Becton, it just has to be.
If not in the 1st rd, then it better be in FA plus with a 2nd rd pick. The Giants need a starting RT and a future LT to come out of this draft. Can't be wasting anymore wear and tear on Barkley's career and Jones health.
I definitely feel more comfortable with a guarentee premium pick vs reaching for a position of need, did Flowers not teach you guys anything?
I completely agree with not reaching for a position of need, but I sincerely hope you aren't comparing Wills to Flowers.
This assumes Young is off the board.
I don't like Simmons at 4.
All that stuff...who cares. We know he is fast. The question with him revolves around taking on blocks, playing through contact, beating good pass blockers 1 on 1, covering tight ends/backs/WRs in man coverage.
You don't find that out by watching him run in a straight line with shorts and a cutoff tee.
After all the investments we made in corner the last two drafts, it would indeed be a waste to invest in another corner. If we can't find competent, reliable corners from that group that DG drafted than it's more reason to part ways with DG...
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Move would be bad, we still can't protect our QB, #4 has to be Wills or Becton, it just has to be.
After all the investments we made in corner the last two drafts, it would indeed be a waste to invest in another corner. If we can't find competent, reliable corners from that group that DG drafted than it's more reason to part ways with DG...
Teams need 3 corners on the field often. Ballentine is a 6th rounder. Beal has had durability issues. The existing CBs do not block drafting Okudah
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up to around 240/250 and not lose any of his game? That's the question for me.
I am really enamored with his freak potential, and having a hell raiser who can be all over the field... but I get worried about his size. A little too big for safety, a little too small for OLB.
I think you might be hung up on some outdated size requirements. There's a fair number of LBs in the NFL playing at a similar size to Simmons' listed height/weight.
Of course if a player can put on muscle without losing any athleticism, speed, flexibility, etc. (or increasing injury risk), that would be better. But I don't think Simmons is completely in tweener territory as/is unless he measures smaller at the combine.
Definitely. Look at guys like Deion Jones, Darius Leonard, Bush
He doesn't hit like a truck, either.
1st level: Lawrence and Willams
2nd level: Simmons
3rd level: Baker and Peppers
That's some nice talent on every level of the defense. Some saavy veteran move and good coaching and we could have something there.
This is a really odd post. I think a lot of people on BBI might agree with you. But you completely miss the fact that Dalvin Tomlinson was the Giants best DL last year, and that was at the NT position more than than anyone else, where he played more often against double teams.
Just cause he was a 2nd round pick doesn't make him a 2nd tier player.