BBI Poll: Should Giants exercise Pepper’s 5th year option?

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No. Too old

no brainer

I love acquiring addl draft capital and building through the draft, but when you have a player that can play, even with their weaknesses, you have to retain them.

but he got caught guessing/out of position too much last year and left the defense exposed. Giant fans hoping better coaching can solve for a lot in 2020 with some of these players.

and work on a long term extension.

and can they deploy him to the best of his abilities, because under JB he looked lost a good chunk of the time, as did the whole defense.

Incomplete grade.

Although that is not in any way an endorsement of his play to date. This team has no talent. It’s an easy decision

like a $10M player to me.

As JonC said, let's see how he does in the new scheme.

In comment 14818574 pjcas18 said:

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like a $10M player to me. As JonC said, let's see how he does in the new scheme.

Unfortunately they won't be able to wait until seeing how he does in the new scheme because they will have to make a decision in May (or thereabouts). The 5th year option is currently only guaranteed for injury, so they will have the option of releasing him in 2021 (assuming he doesn't tear his ACL in the playoffs) if they don't believe he's worth the money. It would mean they don't qualify for a comp pick, but that's of only very minor consideration. It's also possible that a new CBA could change the rules regarding the 5th year option depending on whether it's retroactive to previous years or only applies to 1st round picks going forward.

I was suggesting do not exercise the option, but offer an extension (or not) based on his play this season.

Based on his career so far in CLE and NY no, I would not want any part of paying him $9M - $10M for one season.

But I'll bet the Giants will.

Use the option.

... been asking for years.

I believe in his upside, but that's a huge raise. At least, it's only one year.

S Keanu Neal was drafted the year before Peppers and his 5th year option was picked up last offseason for $6.5M. Even with a little inflation, you're looking at ~$7M for Peppers.

So it's a definite yes for me.
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I believe the options are guaranteed for injury only so if he's healthy and has a subpar year, they can still cut him next offseason with no dead money.

back for the 5th and if he is doing well work into an extension.

In comment 14818619 JonC said:

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I believe in his upside, but that's a huge raise. At least, it's only one year.

It's only guaranteed for injury. It would merely mean that they lose out on any potential comp pick if they chose to release him next March rather than pay him. And if his play in 2020 isn't good enough to warrant the 5th year option money, it's probably not good enough to land him a free agent contract that would return a valuable comp pick.

got it, thank you.

I am very excited to see how he performs under a solid coaching staff. He will improve just by having a competent FS playing next to him.

I think that Pepper's struggled at times partly because he was trying to do too much to compensate for Bethea. Bettcher's complex scheme also lead to broken/blow coverage.

Peppers did struggle at time last season but he also flashed plenty. His athleticism is evident whenever he steps foot on the field. I am confident that he will become more consistent this season and will establish himself as a core player to build around.

That seems surprising, why wouldn’t teams constantly pick this up and just cut people then?

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League season. Redskins did it with RG3.

Surprised the Bills didn’t do that with Watkins

In comment 14818626 giants#1 said:

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S Keanu Neal was drafted the year before Peppers and his 5th year option was picked up last offseason for $6.5M. Even with a little inflation, you're looking at ~$7M for Peppers. So it's a definite yes for me. Neal - ( New Window )

Thanks that was quick and dirty estimating on my part. His option will be the average of the 3rd - 25th highest salaries for safeties in 2019 (link of 2019 safety salaries below).

So $8+ million, not $9 - $10 million
Top Safety Salaries 2019 - ( New Window )

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Hopefully the new staff can use him more effectively. There is talent there. Landon Collins cap number this season is $14.2M and $17M next year. Salary numbers are going way up, it will be reasonable for the option.

Love looks like a player - the same kind of player that Peppers is.

If we draft Isaiah Simmons for a hybrid S/LB type position, I think you don't need Peppers.

Peppers flashed some last year, but also looked really lost many times. Hopefully he gets up to speed quickly this year.

In comment 14818662 sb from NYT Forum said:

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In comment 14818626 giants#1 said: Quote: S Keanu Neal was drafted the year before Peppers and his 5th year option was picked up last offseason for $6.5M. Even with a little inflation, you're looking at ~$7M for Peppers. So it's a definite yes for me. Neal - ( New Window ) Thanks that was quick and dirty estimating on my part. His option will be the average of the 3rd - 25th highest salaries for safeties in 2019 (link of 2019 safety salaries below). So $8+ million, not $9 - $10 million Top Safety Salaries 2019 - ( New Window )

Some of those guys will be cut (especially the highest salaried ones), others will be signed in free agency, so it will be a different set of numbers that they go by come May. I think. I could be wrong.

in that I want to see him with new staff, he has made some plays but I didn't see a great player last year by any means

refuting my own prior post - just saw this blurb on the PFF website:

"... safety Jabrill Peppers earned the team's highest coverage grade (70.2), but it wasn’t enough to save his hometown team the embarrassment of another disappointing season."

I honestly though Jabril wasn't that impressive in coverage - guess I was wrong.


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