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mdthedream : 2/25/2020 4:03 pm
The New York Giants are the latest team with a top five pick in the NFL Draft willing to move down. Giants general manager Dave Gettleman didn't hold back when asked if the franchise would consider trading back from the No. 4 overall selection.

"Absolutely we're open for business," Gettleman said at the NFL Scouting Combine in Indianapolis Tuesday, via Madelyn Burke of WFAN. "Whatever we do is going to be in our best interest."

The Giants will join the Detroit Lions as the other top five team looking to move back, as Lions general manager Bob Quinn revealed over the weekend. The top picks in the 2020 NFL Draft appear to be set, as the Cincinnati Bengals have their sights set on LSU quarterback Joe Burrow at No. 1 overall and the Washington Redskins seem to be the logical spot for Ohio State defensive end Chase Young at No. 2 overall. If those projected picks hold, the Lions and Giants could be in a buyers market for teams willing to move up to their spots in the draft.

New York has seven draft picks in the 2020 NFL Draft, one each in the first two rounds, one each from the fourth to the sixth round and two in the seventh round. The Giants parted ways with their 2020 third-round pick (No. 68 overall) to the New York Jets in the Leonard Williams trade and a mid-round pick in 2021. Trading down would land the Giants more picks in 2020 and the 2021 draft. https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/giants-gm-dave-gettleman-says-team-willing-to-trade-down-from-no-4-were-open-for-business/
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If We Did  
Aloha Alan : 2/25/2020 4:15 pm : link
It would be a miracle!!!
He also said this:  
The_Boss : 2/25/2020 4:19 pm : link
“Trading back has its danger,” Gettleman warned. “We’re at four. Let’s say you trade back to eight. There’s only four players we like, what if they’re all gone? Now what are you gonna do? Are you gonna trade back again? You can trade yourself back out of good players, but we’re open.”
FFS  
allstarjim : 2/25/2020 4:22 pm : link
I hope he's just giving an example, and not actually saying "there's only 4 players we like." This guy can't learn to keep his mouth shut.
RE: He also said this:  
Oscar : 2/25/2020 4:24 pm : link
In comment 14818860 The_Boss said:
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“Trading back has its danger,” Gettleman warned. “We’re at four. Let’s say you trade back to eight. There’s only four players we like, what if they’re all gone? Now what are you gonna do? Are you gonna trade back again? You can trade yourself back out of good players, but we’re open.”


If there are only four players they like, we’ve got problems. I know what Dave means generally but he’s not very good at communicating his message.
Contrary to some opinions, he's not an idiot.  
81_Great_Dane : 2/25/2020 4:24 pm : link
Assuming one of the top three players taken is Chase Young, Giants are sitting on a valuable draft asset they don't want to use: The chance to draft one of the top three QB prospects or Derrick Brown. They'd be foolish not to at least consider exchanging that asset for more early picks. There are QB-needy teams in the top 10 who'd be happy to jump ahead of Miami.

It is not out of the question that they'd draft Tua or Herbert to trade him if they haven't got a deal before draft day and are near a deal when they're on the clock.
Although not official yet  
SJGiant : 2/25/2020 4:26 pm : link
The Giants will receive one third round compensatory pick and one or two seventh round compensatory picks.
RE: He also said this:  
montanagiant : 2/25/2020 4:29 pm : link
In comment 14818860 The_Boss said:
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“Trading back has its danger,” Gettleman warned. “We’re at four. Let’s say you trade back to eight. There’s only four players we like, what if they’re all gone? Now what are you gonna do? Are you gonna trade back again? You can trade yourself back out of good players, but we’re open.”

He's 100% correct about that
RE: FFS  
section125 : 2/25/2020 4:29 pm : link
In comment 14818865 allstarjim said:
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I hope he's just giving an example, and not actually saying "there's only 4 players we like." This guy can't learn to keep his mouth shut.


Just what in the name of the Lord do you think it is, of course it is an example. If they had #6 he'd say the same thing except using 6 players they like.
Please, you'll do yourself a favor by not parsing DGs words. If he just said they are open for business, that means he is willing to trade back but not past a point where they expect to be able to get one of the guys they want.
RE: Contrary to some opinions, he's not an idiot.  
BobsYourUncle : 2/25/2020 4:34 pm : link
In comment 14818869 81_Great_Dane said:
they're on the clock. [/quote]

+1, but he is a SHITTY Communicator when it comes to the press... I hope to god he isnt that bad internally too.
What might they expect in return.....here's an example...  
rasbutant : 2/25/2020 4:50 pm : link
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So for the Colts to move up from their current pick (No. 13) to move into at least the top five if they want to get the quarterback they like, the offer would be somewhere in the neighborhood of:

The other team gets: Indianapolis 2020 1st (No. 13), two seconds (Nos. 34 and 44), and possibly a mid/late-round pick in either 2020 or 2021.
Indianapolis Colts get: Top five pick (whatever QB they take), and possibly a mid-to-late round pick in this year’s draft.


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RE: What might they expect in return.....here's an example...  
robbieballs2003 : 2/25/2020 4:53 pm : link
In comment 14818887 rasbutant said:
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So for the Colts to move up from their current pick (No. 13) to move into at least the top five if they want to get the quarterback they like, the offer would be somewhere in the neighborhood of:

The other team gets: Indianapolis 2020 1st (No. 13), two seconds (Nos. 34 and 44), and possibly a mid/late-round pick in either 2020 or 2021.
Indianapolis Colts get: Top five pick (whatever QB they take), and possibly a mid-to-late round pick in this year’s draft.

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Except to move from 6 to 3 (I think that is what it was) the Jets gave up three 2nds. So, why would they give up less to move from 13 into the top 5? Makes no sense.
RE: RE: Contrary to some opinions, he's not an idiot.  
section125 : 2/25/2020 4:57 pm : link
In comment 14818880 BobsYourUncle said:
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In comment 14818869 81_Great_Dane said:
they're on the clock.


+1, but he is a SHITTY Communicator when it comes to the press... [/quote]

I don't think that is true at all.
It makes perfect sense. Outside of the qb's, the top players, IMO,  
Ira : 2/25/2020 5:05 pm : link
are Young, Simmons, Okudah, Wills and Brown. After that, there's a big drop off talent wise. I'd rather have one of that group, than someone later plus an extra pick.

So, for me, trading back 2-3 spots is ok, but not any further.
He finally  
Photoguy : 2/25/2020 5:10 pm : link
talks about the possibility of trading down, and STILL some of you people whine. Good lord.
So Dave G.  
Carson53 : 2/25/2020 5:11 pm : link
is saying to other teams, make me an offer I can't refuse.
He has never traded down in his draft history, with the
Panthers or here.
RE: RE: What might they expect in return.....here's an example...  
mphbullet36 : 2/25/2020 5:14 pm : link
In comment 14818889 robbieballs2003 said:
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In comment 14818887 rasbutant said:


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So for the Colts to move up from their current pick (No. 13) to move into at least the top five if they want to get the quarterback they like, the offer would be somewhere in the neighborhood of:

The other team gets: Indianapolis 2020 1st (No. 13), two seconds (Nos. 34 and 44), and possibly a mid/late-round pick in either 2020 or 2021.
Indianapolis Colts get: Top five pick (whatever QB they take), and possibly a mid-to-late round pick in this year’s draft.

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Except to move from 6 to 3 (I think that is what it was) the Jets gave up three 2nds. So, why would they give up less to move from 13 into the top 5? Makes no sense.


all the examples from the article suggest a team moving that far down have to give up there next year 1st as well. So I have no idea where he gets giving up a mid 2021 pick from.

It would be

13, 34, 44, and a 2021 1st rounder.

That would be at least a starting price for #4

I personally don't think DG would drop that far so its probably not a situation where the Giants are interested in a 2021 1st. They probably want to drop a smaller amount stay in the top 10 and pick up a late 1st (couple 2nds + 3rds) for doing so.
RE: RE: What might they expect in return.....here's an example...  
rasbutant : 2/25/2020 5:15 pm : link
In comment 14818889 robbieballs2003 said:
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In comment 14818887 rasbutant said:


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So for the Colts to move up from their current pick (No. 13) to move into at least the top five if they want to get the quarterback they like, the offer would be somewhere in the neighborhood of:

The other team gets: Indianapolis 2020 1st (No. 13), two seconds (Nos. 34 and 44), and possibly a mid/late-round pick in either 2020 or 2021.
Indianapolis Colts get: Top five pick (whatever QB they take), and possibly a mid-to-late round pick in this year’s draft.

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Except to move from 6 to 3 (I think that is what it was) the Jets gave up three 2nds. So, why would they give up less to move from 13 into the top 5? Makes no sense.


Your right, they are a little light there, must be some wishful fandom thinking by Coltswire.com.

I'd want the 2021 pick to be a 1st rounder to move all the way to 13. However, I'd prefer to deal with a team that has (2) 1st this year like Miami, Raiders and jaguars.
Wouldn't it just be prefect if he trades down 1 spot  
rasbutant : 2/25/2020 5:18 pm : link
with Miami and picks up a 3rd this year and a 4th next year. haha.
Your saying  
mdthedream : 2/25/2020 5:20 pm : link
there is a chance :)
Detroit is in great shape  
George from PA : 2/25/2020 5:25 pm : link
Trade with Miami and still get the same player at 3.....if we trade back.

Hopefully, we trade with the Chargers.
RE: RE: He also said this:  
flycatcher : 2/25/2020 6:21 pm : link
In comment 14818868 Oscar said:
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In comment 14818860 The_Boss said:


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“Trading back has its danger,” Gettleman warned. “We’re at four. Let’s say you trade back to eight. There’s only four players we like, what if they’re all gone? Now what are you gonna do? Are you gonna trade back again? You can trade yourself back out of good players, but we’re open.”



If there are only four players they like, we’ve got problems. I know what Dave means generally but he’s not very good at communicating his message.

Can’t believe Dave told everyone he only likes 4 players, it’s Leonard Floyd all over again...
RE: He also said this:  
MeadowlandsMike : 2/25/2020 6:36 pm : link
In comment 14818860 The_Boss said:
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“Trading back has its danger,” Gettleman warned. “We’re at four. Let’s say you trade back to eight. There’s only four players we like, what if they’re all gone? Now what are you gonna do? Are you gonna trade back again? You can trade yourself back out of good players, but we’re open.”


Notice he said 8 lol. He specifically said 8 because he knows 5,6, and 7 all want the QB. And going back just a couple spots we still likely get LT1.
RE: RE: Contrary to some opinions, he's not an idiot.  
Scuzzlebutt : 2/25/2020 6:41 pm : link
In comment 14818880 BobsYourUncle said:
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In comment 14818869 81_Great_Dane said:
they're on the clock.


+1, but he is a SHITTY Communicator when it comes to the press... I hope to god he isnt that bad internally too. [/quote]

I love the way DG communicates. I find him to be entertaining. He clearly communicates his philosophy without really giving anything away. Have no issue with his handling on the press.
That is exactly what he should do  
mdthedream : 2/25/2020 6:43 pm : link
you have to figure out when the QB end and what you will have left on the board.
RE: He finally  
Gatorade Dunk : 2/25/2020 7:14 pm : link
In comment 14818906 Photoguy said:
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talks about the possibility of trading down, and STILL some of you people whine. Good lord.

If you know how to read Gettlemanese, he just told you he isn't trading down.
For the Giants' pick to have value  
johnnyb : 2/25/2020 7:47 pm : link
there needs to be two QBs worthy to trade up for. Tua and Herbert are the obvious. If one falls out of favor for whatever reason, I would expect Detroit to trade out of the three spot and leaves the Giants stuck at four.
know how to read Gettlemanese, he just told you he isn't trading down  
Torrag : 2/25/2020 7:49 pm : link
In a thread rife with word parsing and bad conclusions it was difficult to decide which post was the worst. Your amazing Krteskin, crystal ball, tarot card, carnie act wins or rather loses. Just awful anti DG agenda driven dreck.
RE: know how to read Gettlemanese, he just told you he isn't trading down  
Gatorade Dunk : 2/25/2020 8:06 pm : link
In comment 14819103 Torrag said:
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In a thread rife with word parsing and bad conclusions it was difficult to decide which post was the worst. Your amazing Krteskin, crystal ball, tarot card, carnie act wins or rather loses. Just awful anti DG agenda driven dreck.

Cool. Learn to use the quote feature. Thanks in advance.
RE: He finally  
WillVAB : 2/25/2020 8:33 pm : link
In comment 14818906 Photoguy said:
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talks about the possibility of trading down, and STILL some of you people whine. Good lord.


Exactly. All some want to do here is bitch about everything.
What  
AcidTest : 2/25/2020 9:39 pm : link
does everyone expect him to say? "I won't trade down." All GMs say they're in favor of doing anything under the right circumstances. I'll believe it when I see it.
[quote]Learn to use the quote feature.[/quote]  
Torrag : 2/25/2020 10:38 pm : link
^^^You do realize you can't use command prompts in the subject line. No, you didn't? So you're as dumb as most of your posts indicate. You're welcome in advance for this educational yet embarrassing lesson. Dolt.
RE: [quote]Learn to use the quote feature.[/quote]  
Gatorade Dunk : 2/25/2020 10:46 pm : link
In comment 14819292 Torrag said:
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^^^You do realize you can't use command prompts in the subject line. No, you didn't? So you're as dumb as most of your posts indicate. You're welcome in advance for this educational yet embarrassing lesson. Dolt.

Oh, so you can't just pick a single line out of context and use it as your subject line? For shame.

Learn to use the quote feature, dolt.
For shame?  
Torrag : 2/25/2020 10:51 pm : link
WTF are you talking about. It's a line to reference the post you made idiot. I can't fit all your stupidity in the subject line and why would I need to post the whole thing in the comments section? You know what you posted don't you?

God you really are as dumb as I feared. Try to post more intelligent stuff and you won't be in this position as much. I don't have much hope for you though. We're all familiar with your schtick by now.

Moving on.
Y'all have to chill out  
Leg of Theismann : 2/25/2020 11:12 pm : link
Dave said he's open to trading back (i.e. we're open for business) but then also pointed out why trading back has its risks. The takeaway therefore is we have no idea what the Giants are going to do and DG probably doesn't even know until he has all the trade offers and player evaluations in front of him (which won't be for another 2 months). We're just going to have to wait and see what happens, that's all.
RE: For shame?  
Gatorade Dunk : 2/25/2020 11:18 pm : link
In comment 14819301 Torrag said:
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WTF are you talking about. It's a line to reference the post you made idiot. I can't fit all your stupidity in the subject line and why would I need to post the whole thing in the comments section? You know what you posted don't you?

God you really are as dumb as I feared. Try to post more intelligent stuff and you won't be in this position as much. I don't have much hope for you though. We're all familiar with your schtick by now.

Moving on.

When you use the quote feature, other people can quickly index a thread to see any replies to their post(s). Your refusal to use it reflects an inability to grasp this very basic utility. I don't think you should be calling anyone dumb, regardless of what you think of my intelligence. And my "schtick" isn't meant to catch anyone by surprise, so should I be insulted by people being familiar with it? I would fucking hope they are, I've been here for nearly a decade and a half.
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BlueLou'sBack : 2/26/2020 12:39 am : link
In comment 14819041 Gatorade Dunk said:
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In comment 14818906 Photoguy said:


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talks about the possibility of trading down, and STILL some of you people whine. Good lord.


If you know how to read Gettlemanese, he just told you he isn't trading down.


GD, you're flat out wrong here and "gettlemanese" is a rather peurile term. He IS willing to trade down, period, but he's making reference to the opportunity cost. He seems to indicate he doesn't want to trade too far down...

A lot of BBI would get their clocks cleaned playing poker with DG.
There’s no news here  
UberAlias : 2/26/2020 4:56 am : link
He said what anyone would have said —which is basically anything is possible and we would listen.
RE: know how to read Gettlemanese, he just told you he isn't trading down  
MeadowlandsMike : 2/26/2020 6:25 am : link
In comment 14819103 Torrag said:
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In a thread rife with word parsing and bad conclusions it was difficult to decide which post was the worst. Your amazing Krteskin, crystal ball, tarot card, carnie act wins or rather loses. Just awful anti DG agenda driven dreck.


No, what he was likely telling you is he isnt trading down past 7. His example of going to 8 be8ng potentially unfavorable wasn't just coincidence. 5,6 and 7 are all QB hungry and is a max of a drop of 3 down. What he is hinting at most likely is what many hope for: a slight tradedown but no more.
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Gatorade Dunk : 2/26/2020 6:55 am : link
In comment 14819327 BlueLou'sBack said:
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In comment 14819041 Gatorade Dunk said:


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In comment 14818906 Photoguy said:


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talks about the possibility of trading down, and STILL some of you people whine. Good lord.


If you know how to read Gettlemanese, he just told you he isn't trading down.



GD, you're flat out wrong here and "gettlemanese" is a rather peurile term. He IS willing to trade down, period, but he's making reference to the opportunity cost. He seems to indicate he doesn't want to trade too far down...

A lot of BBI would get their clocks cleaned playing poker with DG.

Fair enough, although for the record, I meant "Gettlemanese" in the same way that many refer to Yogi's quirky sayings as "Berraisms." I can understand how it may be taken differently given my vocal disdain for DG, but I genuinely meant nothing by it.
RE: Detroit is in great shape  
Chocco : 2/26/2020 7:03 am : link
In comment 14818924 George from PA said:
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Trade with Miami and still get the same player at 3.....if we trade back.

Hopefully, we trade with the Chargers.

That's the rub
The Lions are in the ways of a Giants trade right now because no one will want to trade with the Giants if the another team can jump them and trade with the Lions.

The Giants could be in the way of the Lions Plans too. They need to win now. If there is one player they think is going to be there that they feel will make them a better team, they can't afford to miss out on them. Even a trade with Miami could be risky as long as the Giants are still there they can't be confident that the Giants won't pick them. ( Unless it's a QB, but then Detroit would not be trading down). If Detroit is comfortable drafting from a pool of next level players (not who they consider the 3rd best player) they could trade down first otherwise it could be a stalemate that lasts until draft day.
Ultimately the Lions need to decide if more picks is worth more than the 3rd best player in the draft. They will probably take their time during pre draft evaluations to make sure.
But who knows...
RE: For shame?  
Diver_Down : 2/26/2020 7:26 am : link
In comment 14819301 Torrag said:
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WTF are you talking about. It's a line to reference the post you made idiot. I can't fit all your stupidity in the subject line and why would I need to post the whole thing in the comments section? You know what you posted don't you?

God you really are as dumb as I feared. Try to post more intelligent stuff and you won't be in this position as much. I don't have much hope for you though. We're all familiar with your schtick by now.

Moving on.


Torraq, the quote feature allows others that are reading to follow the discussion. Using a single line reference, forces the audience to find the post that you are referencing, understand their point, and then find your response and subsequent counterpoint.

In addition, if you are in a discussion with another member, they can't find your response by not using the quote feature. Contrary to what others may think in that everyone reads every single comment, there are some who are only interested in debating a specific point. Dunk, for example, might have an ongoing discussion that when he gets an opportunity to peruse BBI will conduct a search of a thread to find all responses with his handle. Using the subject line as a truncated pseudo-quote, bypasses the indexing of the response and consequently your response might never be seen.

Now, BBI's interface isn't that complicated- a site that was born in the 90's and redesigned a decade ago to purposely embrace the same interface so as not to complicate the user experience. When users can't figure out how to interact with the user interface and then proceeds to call others dumb/dolt, the irony isn't missed.
RE: FFS  
joeinpa : 2/26/2020 7:28 am : link
In comment 14818865 allstarjim said:
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I hope he's just giving an example, and not actually saying "there's only 4 players we like." This guy can't learn to keep his mouth shut.


Can’t keep his mouth shut? So you knew he was taking Jones at 6 last year?
I don't know what the hell he was trying to say  
Jim in Forest Hills : 2/26/2020 7:47 am : link
which is a good thing I guess.

I do think DG hates talking to the press and he puts on a show personality. I think he is overmatched when talking to the press and should avoid it completely.
RE: RE: What might they expect in return.....here's an example...  
Britt in VA : 2/26/2020 8:55 am : link
In comment 14818889 robbieballs2003 said:
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So for the Colts to move up from their current pick (No. 13) to move into at least the top five if they want to get the quarterback they like, the offer would be somewhere in the neighborhood of:

The other team gets: Indianapolis 2020 1st (No. 13), two seconds (Nos. 34 and 44), and possibly a mid/late-round pick in either 2020 or 2021.
Indianapolis Colts get: Top five pick (whatever QB they take), and possibly a mid-to-late round pick in this year’s draft.

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Except to move from 6 to 3 (I think that is what it was) the Jets gave up three 2nds. So, why would they give up less to move from 13 into the top 5? Makes no sense.


If we dropped from 4 to 13, or out of the top 10 in general, and didn't get that's team's next year's first rounder, I would instantly be on the fire Gettleman bandwagon.

No way.
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allstarjim : 2/26/2020 1:05 pm : link
In comment 14819378 joeinpa said:
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In comment 14818865 allstarjim said:


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I hope he's just giving an example, and not actually saying "there's only 4 players we like." This guy can't learn to keep his mouth shut.



Can’t keep his mouth shut? So you knew he was taking Jones at 6 last year?


I had a strong feeling he would, yes.
Let's hope he answers the phone  
Section331 : 2/26/2020 2:35 pm : link
this time.
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