The New York Giants are the latest team with a top five pick in the NFL Draft willing to move down. Giants general manager Dave Gettleman didn't hold back when asked if the franchise would consider trading back from the No. 4 overall selection.
"Absolutely we're open for business," Gettleman said at the NFL Scouting Combine in Indianapolis Tuesday, via Madelyn Burke of WFAN. "Whatever we do is going to be in our best interest."
The Giants will join the Detroit Lions as the other top five team looking to move back, as Lions general manager Bob Quinn revealed over the weekend. The top picks in the 2020 NFL Draft appear to be set, as the Cincinnati Bengals have their sights set on LSU quarterback Joe Burrow at No. 1 overall and the Washington Redskins seem to be the logical spot for Ohio State defensive end Chase Young at No. 2 overall. If those projected picks hold, the Lions and Giants could be in a buyers market for teams willing to move up to their spots in the draft.
New York has seven draft picks in the 2020 NFL Draft, one each in the first two rounds, one each from the fourth to the sixth round and two in the seventh round. The Giants parted ways with their 2020 third-round pick (No. 68 overall) to the New York Jets in the Leonard Williams trade and a mid-round pick in 2021. Trading down would land the Giants more picks in 2020 and the 2021 draft. https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/giants-gm-dave-gettleman-says-team-willing-to-trade-down-from-no-4-were-open-for-business/
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If there are only four players they like, we’ve got problems. I know what Dave means generally but he’s not very good at communicating his message.
It is not out of the question that they'd draft Tua or Herbert to trade him if they haven't got a deal before draft day and are near a deal when they're on the clock.
He's 100% correct about that
Just what in the name of the Lord do you think it is, of course it is an example. If they had #6 he'd say the same thing except using 6 players they like.
Please, you'll do yourself a favor by not parsing DGs words. If he just said they are open for business, that means he is willing to trade back but not past a point where they expect to be able to get one of the guys they want.
they're on the clock. [/quote]
+1, but he is a SHITTY Communicator when it comes to the press... I hope to god he isnt that bad internally too.
The other team gets: Indianapolis 2020 1st (No. 13), two seconds (Nos. 34 and 44), and possibly a mid/late-round pick in either 2020 or 2021.
Indianapolis Colts get: Top five pick (whatever QB they take), and possibly a mid-to-late round pick in this year’s draft.
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So for the Colts to move up from their current pick (No. 13) to move into at least the top five if they want to get the quarterback they like, the offer would be somewhere in the neighborhood of:
The other team gets: Indianapolis 2020 1st (No. 13), two seconds (Nos. 34 and 44), and possibly a mid/late-round pick in either 2020 or 2021.
Indianapolis Colts get: Top five pick (whatever QB they take), and possibly a mid-to-late round pick in this year’s draft.
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Except to move from 6 to 3 (I think that is what it was) the Jets gave up three 2nds. So, why would they give up less to move from 13 into the top 5? Makes no sense.
they're on the clock.
+1, but he is a SHITTY Communicator when it comes to the press... [/quote]
I don't think that is true at all.
So, for me, trading back 2-3 spots is ok, but not any further.
He has never traded down in his draft history, with the
Panthers or here.
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So for the Colts to move up from their current pick (No. 13) to move into at least the top five if they want to get the quarterback they like, the offer would be somewhere in the neighborhood of:
The other team gets: Indianapolis 2020 1st (No. 13), two seconds (Nos. 34 and 44), and possibly a mid/late-round pick in either 2020 or 2021.
Indianapolis Colts get: Top five pick (whatever QB they take), and possibly a mid-to-late round pick in this year’s draft.
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Except to move from 6 to 3 (I think that is what it was) the Jets gave up three 2nds. So, why would they give up less to move from 13 into the top 5? Makes no sense.
all the examples from the article suggest a team moving that far down have to give up there next year 1st as well. So I have no idea where he gets giving up a mid 2021 pick from.
It would be
13, 34, 44, and a 2021 1st rounder.
That would be at least a starting price for #4
I personally don't think DG would drop that far so its probably not a situation where the Giants are interested in a 2021 1st. They probably want to drop a smaller amount stay in the top 10 and pick up a late 1st (couple 2nds + 3rds) for doing so.
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So for the Colts to move up from their current pick (No. 13) to move into at least the top five if they want to get the quarterback they like, the offer would be somewhere in the neighborhood of:
The other team gets: Indianapolis 2020 1st (No. 13), two seconds (Nos. 34 and 44), and possibly a mid/late-round pick in either 2020 or 2021.
Indianapolis Colts get: Top five pick (whatever QB they take), and possibly a mid-to-late round pick in this year’s draft.
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Except to move from 6 to 3 (I think that is what it was) the Jets gave up three 2nds. So, why would they give up less to move from 13 into the top 5? Makes no sense.
Your right, they are a little light there, must be some wishful fandom thinking by Coltswire.com.
I'd want the 2021 pick to be a 1st rounder to move all the way to 13. However, I'd prefer to deal with a team that has (2) 1st this year like Miami, Raiders and jaguars.
Hopefully, we trade with the Chargers.
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“Trading back has its danger,” Gettleman warned. “We’re at four. Let’s say you trade back to eight. There’s only four players we like, what if they’re all gone? Now what are you gonna do? Are you gonna trade back again? You can trade yourself back out of good players, but we’re open.”
If there are only four players they like, we’ve got problems. I know what Dave means generally but he’s not very good at communicating his message.
Can’t believe Dave told everyone he only likes 4 players, it’s Leonard Floyd all over again...
Notice he said 8 lol. He specifically said 8 because he knows 5,6, and 7 all want the QB. And going back just a couple spots we still likely get LT1.
they're on the clock.
+1, but he is a SHITTY Communicator when it comes to the press... I hope to god he isnt that bad internally too. [/quote]
I love the way DG communicates. I find him to be entertaining. He clearly communicates his philosophy without really giving anything away. Have no issue with his handling on the press.
If you know how to read Gettlemanese, he just told you he isn't trading down.
Cool. Learn to use the quote feature. Thanks in advance.
Exactly. All some want to do here is bitch about everything.
Oh, so you can't just pick a single line out of context and use it as your subject line? For shame.
Learn to use the quote feature, dolt.
God you really are as dumb as I feared. Try to post more intelligent stuff and you won't be in this position as much. I don't have much hope for you though. We're all familiar with your schtick by now.
Moving on.
God you really are as dumb as I feared. Try to post more intelligent stuff and you won't be in this position as much. I don't have much hope for you though. We're all familiar with your schtick by now.
Moving on.
When you use the quote feature, other people can quickly index a thread to see any replies to their post(s). Your refusal to use it reflects an inability to grasp this very basic utility. I don't think you should be calling anyone dumb, regardless of what you think of my intelligence. And my "schtick" isn't meant to catch anyone by surprise, so should I be insulted by people being familiar with it? I would fucking hope they are, I've been here for nearly a decade and a half.
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talks about the possibility of trading down, and STILL some of you people whine. Good lord.
If you know how to read Gettlemanese, he just told you he isn't trading down.
GD, you're flat out wrong here and "gettlemanese" is a rather peurile term. He IS willing to trade down, period, but he's making reference to the opportunity cost. He seems to indicate he doesn't want to trade too far down...
A lot of BBI would get their clocks cleaned playing poker with DG.
No, what he was likely telling you is he isnt trading down past 7. His example of going to 8 be8ng potentially unfavorable wasn't just coincidence. 5,6 and 7 are all QB hungry and is a max of a drop of 3 down. What he is hinting at most likely is what many hope for: a slight tradedown but no more.
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talks about the possibility of trading down, and STILL some of you people whine. Good lord.
If you know how to read Gettlemanese, he just told you he isn't trading down.
GD, you're flat out wrong here and "gettlemanese" is a rather peurile term. He IS willing to trade down, period, but he's making reference to the opportunity cost. He seems to indicate he doesn't want to trade too far down...
A lot of BBI would get their clocks cleaned playing poker with DG.
Fair enough, although for the record, I meant "Gettlemanese" in the same way that many refer to Yogi's quirky sayings as "Berraisms." I can understand how it may be taken differently given my vocal disdain for DG, but I genuinely meant nothing by it.
Hopefully, we trade with the Chargers.
That's the rub
The Lions are in the ways of a Giants trade right now because no one will want to trade with the Giants if the another team can jump them and trade with the Lions.
The Giants could be in the way of the Lions Plans too. They need to win now. If there is one player they think is going to be there that they feel will make them a better team, they can't afford to miss out on them. Even a trade with Miami could be risky as long as the Giants are still there they can't be confident that the Giants won't pick them. ( Unless it's a QB, but then Detroit would not be trading down). If Detroit is comfortable drafting from a pool of next level players (not who they consider the 3rd best player) they could trade down first otherwise it could be a stalemate that lasts until draft day.
Ultimately the Lions need to decide if more picks is worth more than the 3rd best player in the draft. They will probably take their time during pre draft evaluations to make sure.
But who knows...
God you really are as dumb as I feared. Try to post more intelligent stuff and you won't be in this position as much. I don't have much hope for you though. We're all familiar with your schtick by now.
Moving on.
Torraq, the quote feature allows others that are reading to follow the discussion. Using a single line reference, forces the audience to find the post that you are referencing, understand their point, and then find your response and subsequent counterpoint.
In addition, if you are in a discussion with another member, they can't find your response by not using the quote feature. Contrary to what others may think in that everyone reads every single comment, there are some who are only interested in debating a specific point. Dunk, for example, might have an ongoing discussion that when he gets an opportunity to peruse BBI will conduct a search of a thread to find all responses with his handle. Using the subject line as a truncated pseudo-quote, bypasses the indexing of the response and consequently your response might never be seen.
Now, BBI's interface isn't that complicated- a site that was born in the 90's and redesigned a decade ago to purposely embrace the same interface so as not to complicate the user experience. When users can't figure out how to interact with the user interface and then proceeds to call others dumb/dolt, the irony isn't missed.
Can’t keep his mouth shut? So you knew he was taking Jones at 6 last year?
I do think DG hates talking to the press and he puts on a show personality. I think he is overmatched when talking to the press and should avoid it completely.
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So for the Colts to move up from their current pick (No. 13) to move into at least the top five if they want to get the quarterback they like, the offer would be somewhere in the neighborhood of:
The other team gets: Indianapolis 2020 1st (No. 13), two seconds (Nos. 34 and 44), and possibly a mid/late-round pick in either 2020 or 2021.
Indianapolis Colts get: Top five pick (whatever QB they take), and possibly a mid-to-late round pick in this year’s draft.
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Except to move from 6 to 3 (I think that is what it was) the Jets gave up three 2nds. So, why would they give up less to move from 13 into the top 5? Makes no sense.
If we dropped from 4 to 13, or out of the top 10 in general, and didn't get that's team's next year's first rounder, I would instantly be on the fire Gettleman bandwagon.
No way.
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I hope he's just giving an example, and not actually saying "there's only 4 players we like." This guy can't learn to keep his mouth shut.
Can’t keep his mouth shut? So you knew he was taking Jones at 6 last year?
I had a strong feeling he would, yes.