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Blue Ninja's Full Offseason Mock (long read)

Blue Ninja : 2/25/2020 5:39 pm
Hi guys! So something I like to do every year is a quick offseason mock of what I'd like the Giants to do. I haven't posted these before but would like to see what you guys think.

1) First thing I would do is cut these players:
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Alec Ogletree
Kareem Martin
Rhett Ellison
Spencer Pulley
Antoine Bethea


I think these guys are replacement level or worse players, taking a good portion of the cap.

2) Next I would resign these guys:
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Javorius Allen - 1 year, min
Elijhaa Penny - 1 year, min
Cody Core - 2 years, 4M, 2M guaranteed
Corey Coleman - 1 year, min
Jon Halapio - original round tender
Leonard Williams - 5 year, 65M total, 36 guaranteed
David Mayo - 1 year, min
Antonio Hamilton - 1 year, min
Michael Thomas - 1 year, min
Aldrick Rosas - 2nd round tender


-Williams was a big part of the team when acquired. Improved run game and creates pressure. Resigned to a 13M per deal.
-Buck Allen and Penny are good depth at the RB/FB position and versatile.
-Coleman had potential to be a breakout WR for us, give him a shot.
-Core, Hamilton, Thomas are important special teams guys.
-Mayo and Halipo are good backups to have.
-Rosas is given another shot. From pro-bowl to dud.

3) Trade Evan Engram to Packers for 62nd overall pick and conditional 2021 4th round pick (based on games played).

-While I really like Evan and in the right system I think he can be a star, I don't like his versatility in the run game. I would like a TE that can be more inline and have more of a running identity.



So that leaves needs for starters at TE, OT, C, EDGE x2, ILB, slot CB and needs for backups at QB, RB, and S.


4) Sign these guys in free agency:
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QB Chase Daniel - 1 year, 3M, 2M guaranteed
RB Isaiah Crowell - 1 year, 2M, 1M guaranteed
TE MyCole Pruitt - 3 years, 15M, 5M guaranteed
OT Dennis Kelly - 3 years, 21M, 8M guaranteed
OLB Shaq Lawson - 4 years, 44M, 18M guaranteed
OLB Kamalei Correa - 3 years, 27M, 10M guaranteed
ILB Nick Kwiatkoski - 4 years, 26M, 10M guaranteed
ILB Elandon Roberts - 3 years, 12M, 4M guaranteed
CB Anthony Brown - 1 year, 4M, 2M guaranteed
S Sean Davis - 1 year, 2M, 1M guaranteed


-Chase has played in many systems and has a lot of vet knowledge that he can pass onto Daniel. He can also be trusted in case of emergency to play within a gameplan.
-Crowell can be an electric runner and has good hands in the pass game. Can be a versatile backup behind Saquan.
-MyCole has very solid hands and is a good versatile blocker. He is not a dynamic passcatcher, but can play in many roles and be a positive factor in the run game.
-Dennis Kelly has played very well when his number has been called. Although he has been a backup, he holds up versus the pass and is a mauler in the run game. Paired with Zeitler at RG, that can be a dynamic right side of the oline.

-Shaq Lawson is a potential breakout EDGE. I pay him and watch him blossom. He sets a very good edge, and has the power and bend to be a bother in the pass-game.
-Kamalei Correa is very versatile player who is starting to improve on his passrush. He has been used as an ILB and OLB in a 3-4 and had 5 sacks in his last 8 games. He is a guy who can be used in many different ways and can adjust to a gameplan.
-Nick Kwiatkoski is a solid ILB player. Smart, playcaller and productive when out there. He is not a liability in the pass game and in the run. He only played over 60% of the snaps his last 8 games last year, but if you average those out over 16 games, he would have 116 tackles, 4 sacks, 12 TFL, 2 INTs, and 8 PD.
-Elandon Roberts has been a total team player for the Patriots. He is a hard hitting ILB, who plays special teams and even plays at FB. He has limitations in the pass game, but he is a top backups and play some early run downs, as well as be insurance in case Connelly doesn't make it all the way back. At the very worst, Roberts will be a special team ace and a good backup.
-Anthony Brown has versatility to play in the slot and outside at CB. Although he isn't shut-down by any means, he can be a good slot corner and offer competition to a young CB group.
-Sean Davis spent last year on IR, but found a spot at FS two years ago for the Steelers. He is a good deep FS, with limitations in the run game, but can be a compliment to Love and Peppers.



After free agency few holes remain. Only one need for a starter at C and need for depth at TE and oline.

5) Lastly we have the draft. I tried to be realistic of the draft positions of these players. Here's what I would do:

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1 (4) - CB Jeffrey Okudah, Ohio State
2 (36) - C Cesar Ruiz, Michigan
2 (62) - OT Ben Bartch, St. John
3 (98) - WR Chase Claypool, Notre Dame
4 (107) - CB/S Amik Robertson, Lousiana Tech
5 (150) - TE Dalton Keene, Virginia Tech
6 (183) - WR Kendrick Rogers, Texas A& M
7 (239) - G Kyle Murphy, Rhode Island
7 (244) - WR Jeff Thomas, Miami
7 (244) - QB Bryce Perkins, Virginia
7 (255) - K Rodrigo Blankenship, Georgia


-Okudah will be a shutdown all around corner. He's ability to cover a receiver with no help and allows your defense to be more creative with blitzes and coverage.
-Ruiz is the best center in this class. He has the experience, the strength and the movement ability to play in any system. He can be a day 1 starter.
-Bartch has good bend, great hands, is very fundamentally sound, and has the mean streak needed to play in the NFL. What he lacks is NFL conditioning and experience at a high level. I think this guy has as high potential as any OT in this draft.
-Claypool is a 6'4, 235 lb, monster sized receiver in a deep receiver draft. Although he isn't capable of regularly beating outside cornerbacks, he is exceptionally quick and can provides a big target with good hands and tracking ability. He is a great blocker, special teams guy and plays very well in the slot. Very versatile player and will be a steal for whomever drafts him.
-Robertson has extreme size limitations, but is so good. Great hips, ball hawk, great tackler. Ball hound. Put him in the slot or at FS and he can be a game changer.
-Dalton Keene is a very versatile TE. Good blocker, soft hands and has movement skills. Problem is he isn't great at one thing, but he has great blocking in space and will kill you in the short and intermediate range.
-Kendrick Rogers has an enormous catch range and good hands. Problem is he isn't a good route runner. He needs development but will fall in this great WR draft due to his inability to contribute early.
-Kyle Murphy is a nasty low level olinemen, with requisite measurements at guard. He has been productive but doesn't have the lateral ability to play on the edge, which will make him a late draft pick.
-Jeff Thomas is a super fast receiver with great hands. He will fall due to his size and lack of productivity, but he has a chance to stick on the roster and with his speed, he can be a kick returner.
-Bryce Perkins has average arm strength and is still developing as a quarterback, but he is very tough and athletic. He has developed his pocket presence and ability to read the defense, but still needs a lot more development in those areas, as well as accuracy. I like his demeanor though and would like to see if he can be a good backup.
-Rodrigo Blankenship is competition and a message for Rosas.

Roster:
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QB - Daniel Jones - Chase Daniel - Alex Tanney - Bryce Perkins
HB - Saquon Barkley - Isaiah Crowell - Javorius Allen Wayne Gallman - Jon Hilliman
FB - Elijhaa Penny - George Aston
WR - Sterling Sheppard - Chase Claypool - Kendrick Rogers - Reggie White Jr.
WR - Darius Slayton - Cody Core - Jeff Thomas - David Sills
SLOT - Golden Tate - Corey Coleman - Da’Mari Scott - Alex Bachman
TE - MyCole Pruitt - Kaden Smith - Dalton Keene - Garrett Dickerson - C.J. Conrad
LT - Nate Solder - Ben Bartch - Eric Smith
LG - Will Hernandez - Kyle Murphy - Chad Slade
C - Cesar Ruiz - Jon Halapio - Tanner Volson
RG - Kevin Zeitler - Nick Gates
RT - Dennis Kelly - George Asafo-Adjei - Nate Wozniak
LE - Leonard Williams - RJ McIntosh
NT - Dalvin Thomlinson - Chris Slayton
RE - Dexter Lawrence - B.J. Hill - Kevin Wilkins
LOLB - Kamalei Correa - Lorenzo Carter - Chris Peace
ILB - Ryan Connelly - David Mayo - Josiah Tauaefa - Nate Harvey
ILB - Nick Kwiatkoski - Elandon Roberts - Devante Downs - Mark McLaurin
ROLB - Shaq Lawson - Oshane Ximines
CB - Jeffrey Okudah - Sam Beal - Antonio Hamilton
CB - Deandre Baker - Corey Ballentine - Derrick Baity
SCB - Anthony Brown - Amik Robertson - Grant Haley
FS - Julian Love - Sean Davis - Rashaan Gaulden
SS - Jabrill Peppers - Michael Thomas - Sean Chandler
K - Aldrick Rosas - Rodrigo Blankenship
P - Riley Dixon - Sean Smith
LS - Colin Holba - Drew Scott



Thoughts?
Not bad but a little modest in FA  
Eric on Li : 2/25/2020 5:57 pm : link
I'd expect 1 bigger $ starter at LB + DB. A lot of interesting under the radar choices but I expect they do end up adding 1 or 2 of the high profile FA's that get talked about a lot (Conklin, Bradberry, Byron Jones, Van Noy, Schobert, etc).

Entering the draft with Baker + Beal as the 2 starting CB's basically boxes them in on CB in the first 2 picks. Borderline Okudah or bust honestly.
It's a fair take  
Rudy5757 : 2/25/2020 6:52 pm : link
I would put more stock in the pass rush. We need a proven guy and we have none on the roster. When we were good we always had a good top 2 and then rotational depth. Pass rush can improve the D tremendously.

I would get rid of Pio and not resign him. Keep pulley until you have a better option. I don't think that center lasts till 2nd round.

I don't like trading Engram. I want to see what Garrett can do with him. I hate giving up on talent even if he is injured a lot. We control him for 2 more seasons. We can trade next season or during this one. We have so many holes we have to hang on in some spots.
FA sucks  
Earl the goat : 2/25/2020 7:00 pm : link
And draft is ok
Really nice well thought out plan  
montanagiant : 2/25/2020 7:10 pm : link
Not overly aggressive but addresses many holes. Thanks
Trash.  
tyrik13 : 2/25/2020 7:13 pm : link
I stopped reading after you said trade EE..
RE: Not bad but a little modest in FA  
Blue Ninja : 2/25/2020 7:42 pm : link
In comment 14818943 Eric on Li said:
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I'd expect 1 bigger $ starter at LB + DB. A lot of interesting under the radar choices but I expect they do end up adding 1 or 2 of the high profile FA's that get talked about a lot (Conklin, Bradberry, Byron Jones, Van Noy, Schobert, etc).

Entering the draft with Baker + Beal as the 2 starting CB's basically boxes them in on CB in the first 2 picks. Borderline Okudah or bust honestly.


I understand that and I agree, it does box you in a little. With the first three picks I set it up to have CB, C and LT be the picks and not necessarily in that order. If Okudah is gone, I would either trade down or draft the best OT (I have Willis and Wirfs as my top two). I like 2-3 centers in that range in Ruiz, Matt Hennessy and Lloyd Cushenberry and quite a few CBs in that 2nd round range.

I don't like spending big money on free agents. The really good ones will be tagged, so then you're either overpaying for the proven above average ones, or going with some more under the radar guys.
RE: Trash.  
montanagiant : 2/25/2020 7:44 pm : link
In comment 14819040 tyrik13 said:
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I stopped reading after you said trade EE..

For a 2nd rounder and conditional 4th the next year?

In a heartbeat.
RE: It's a fair take  
Blue Ninja : 2/25/2020 7:47 pm : link
In comment 14819004 Rudy5757 said:
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I would put more stock in the pass rush. We need a proven guy and we have none on the roster. When we were good we always had a good top 2 and then rotational depth. Pass rush can improve the D tremendously.

I would get rid of Pio and not resign him. Keep pulley until you have a better option. I don't think that center lasts till 2nd round.

I don't like trading Engram. I want to see what Garrett can do with him. I hate giving up on talent even if he is injured a lot. We control him for 2 more seasons. We can trade next season or during this one. We have so many holes we have to hang on in some spots.


It was a really tough decision on Engram, I just feel like we have a lot of guys who are best playing in the slot and Engram doesn't offer much as a blocker.

I don't believe a lot of the premier EDGE guys will be available. Ngakoue, Barrett, Judon, and Dupree will likely be tagged, leaving Clowney and Fowler as likely the two best options and they will get paid. Not sure if it is prudent to be in their markets.
RE: Really nice well thought out plan  
Blue Ninja : 2/25/2020 7:49 pm : link
In comment 14819035 montanagiant said:
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Not overly aggressive but addresses many holes. Thanks


Thanks. I don't believe in spending big money in free agency, so I tried to keep it as realistic with that premise.
Need a play maker at WR  
Carl in CT : 2/25/2020 7:50 pm : link
Have to have weapons to win.
RE: FA sucks  
Blue Ninja : 2/25/2020 7:51 pm : link
In comment 14819019 Earl the goat said:
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And draft is ok


Potentially this type of free agency can backfire, as few of these players are proven, but it can also be very good if we can develop some of these players and play them to their strengths.

What part of the draft did you not like?
RE: Trash.  
Blue Ninja : 2/25/2020 7:51 pm : link
In comment 14819040 tyrik13 said:
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I stopped reading after you said trade EE..


I get it, EE is a good player when healthy. Thanks for the read.
you disqualified yourself as a competent poster when ...  
Torrag : 2/25/2020 7:53 pm : link
you opted to tender halapio. The worst center in the NFL coming off an Achilles injury. How do people come up with this crap?
RE: Need a play maker at WR  
Blue Ninja : 2/25/2020 7:56 pm : link
In comment 14819106 Carl in CT said:
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Have to have weapons to win.


In the passing game I think that Sheppard, Slayton, Tate, Claypool, Coleman, Pruitt, Barkley, and Crowell compliment each other very well. Lots of plays that could be run with that group. I understand none of these guys are number one receivers, but I don't think a number one receiver is needed to win. With a versatile players, you can attack an opponents weakness, so I tried to have varied players.
RE: you disqualified yourself as a competent poster when ...  
Blue Ninja : 2/25/2020 7:58 pm : link
In comment 14819111 Torrag said:
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you opted to tender halapio. The worst center in the NFL coming off an Achilles injury. How do people come up with this crap?


An original round tender pays no guaranteed money and pays slightly more than 2M. That's nothing more than backup money for someone who has some experience at C and is well liked in the locker room.
RE: you disqualified yourself as a competent poster when ...  
montanagiant : 2/25/2020 8:00 pm : link
In comment 14819111 Torrag said:
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you opted to tender halapio. The worst center in the NFL coming off an Achilles injury. How do people come up with this crap?

You have to have someone for depth
Well done  
DavidinBMNY : 2/25/2020 9:58 pm : link
This is very comprehensive.

It is definitely directionally correct and shows a synthesis of actions on freeing up space, retaining productive or low cost options, and growing the team.


Michael Thomas will cost more then minimum.

I would be surprised if Gettleman is that active in FA but again I like the thinking.

Hope springs eternal after reading this.





'halapio...You have to have someone for depth'  
Torrag : 2/25/2020 10:13 pm : link
You don't have to have the worst center in the NFL coming off an Achilles. This guy should be selling insurance. He doesn't belong on an NFL roster in any capacity. He flat out sucks.

He's the definition of addition by subtraction.
RE: 'halapio...You have to have someone for depth'  
TommyWiseau : 2/26/2020 2:09 am : link
In comment 14819282 Torrag said:
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You don't have to have the worst center in the NFL coming off an Achilles. This guy should be selling insurance. He doesn't belong on an NFL roster in any capacity. He flat out sucks.

He's the definition of addition by subtraction.


Agreed. He is really really bad
RE: RE: 'halapio...You have to have someone for depth'  
montanagiant : 2/26/2020 3:06 am : link
In comment 14819336 TommyWiseau said:
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In comment 14819282 Torrag said:


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You don't have to have the worst center in the NFL coming off an Achilles. This guy should be selling insurance. He doesn't belong on an NFL roster in any capacity. He flat out sucks.

He's the definition of addition by subtraction.



Agreed. He is really really bad

Well then supply an alternative to him that works
RE: 'halapio...You have to have someone for depth'  
Blue Ninja : 2/26/2020 9:04 am : link
In comment 14819282 Torrag said:
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You don't have to have the worst center in the NFL coming off an Achilles. This guy should be selling insurance. He doesn't belong on an NFL roster in any capacity. He flat out sucks.

He's the definition of addition by subtraction.


I understand Halapio is not the level of starting center in the NFL that anyone would want, but you are forgetting that he is a positive force in the locker room, has starting experience and at his best can offer some league average work.

Most centers in this league are pretty poor and although a lot of them are incrementally better than Halapio, 10-12 are much better. As a backup and for a little more than minimum, I don't think it makes or breaks an offseason. To be honest, if that's the biggest gripe to have on an offseason then I would say it went pretty well.
RE: Well done  
Blue Ninja : 2/26/2020 9:07 am : link
In comment 14819275 DavidinBMNY said:
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This is very comprehensive.

It is definitely directionally correct and shows a synthesis of actions on freeing up space, retaining productive or low cost options, and growing the team.


Michael Thomas will cost more then minimum.

I would be surprised if Gettleman is that active in FA but again I like the thinking.

Hope springs eternal after reading this.



Thanks! I was debating on Michael Thomas. His last contract he signed for 2 years and 4 million and he is 31 now. He could get another similar deal, but might get less at the vet min now.
That's probably too many FAs  
BillT : 2/26/2020 11:36 am : link
There are just too many teams with money to get a haul like that. Four LB is two too many to expect to get. Just your top two is more realistic. I like some of your choices though. The T is a very interesting choice.

No one is giving up a 2nd for Engram as much as I'd like to see that happen. Waiting for the draft to get a C is a risk but we may have to do that. I'd rather keep Pully that Halapio. Pully is just a backup. If they keep Halapio I'm worried they may think he can start and that would be a disaster.

RE: 'halapio...You have to have someone for depth'  
Optimus-NY : 2/26/2020 12:53 pm : link
In comment 14819282 Torrag said:
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You don't have to have the worst center in the NFL coming off an Achilles. This guy should be selling insurance. He doesn't belong on an NFL roster in any capacity. He flat out sucks.

He's the definition of addition by subtraction.


Agreed. He's a favorite of Gettleman for some strange reason.
some of you commenters are real dicks. ffs.  
MM_in_NYC : 2/26/2020 1:20 pm : link
it's an interesting take on a plan, this team would certainly be better than the team we fielded last season.

i will say that if we're going to give almost 20 million per year in total to lawson and correa, then maybe i'd rather just go big and give that to a star. i didn't see much of lawson last year but he's not my favorite - stiff and doesn't get to qb enough.

not sure that pruitt deal is where i'd go either nor why he's worth 5 million. who else did you consider at te for this money?
RE: That's probably too many FAs  
Blue Ninja : 2/27/2020 1:28 pm : link
In comment 14819672 BillT said:
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There are just too many teams with money to get a haul like that. Four LB is two too many to expect to get. Just your top two is more realistic. I like some of your choices though. The T is a very interesting choice.

No one is giving up a 2nd for Engram as much as I'd like to see that happen. Waiting for the draft to get a C is a risk but we may have to do that. I'd rather keep Pully that Halapio. Pully is just a backup. If they keep Halapio I'm worried they may think he can start and that would be a disaster.


Thanks for the comments. Yeah likely one or two too many free agents. I think it's quite likely that Engram can fetch a late 2nd. He is a very talented receiver.
RE: some of you commenters are real dicks. ffs.  
Blue Ninja : 2/27/2020 1:34 pm : link
In comment 14819845 MM_in_NYC said:
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it's an interesting take on a plan, this team would certainly be better than the team we fielded last season.

i will say that if we're going to give almost 20 million per year in total to lawson and correa, then maybe i'd rather just go big and give that to a star. i didn't see much of lawson last year but he's not my favorite - stiff and doesn't get to qb enough.

not sure that pruitt deal is where i'd go either nor why he's worth 5 million. who else did you consider at te for this money?


Thanks. I am under the impression that most dominant EDGE guys will be tagged prior to free agency and I am not giving Clowney (injury history and under-performer) 20+ million a year. The guys I chose to sign set good strong edges, are versatile and can rush the passer. They also have low guaranteed money so they can painlessly be cut after one or two years.

As for Pruitt, I like him more than most. I think he is a very good blocker and there aren't too many blocking TEs in the market. Mid-season this spot was supposed to go to Maxx Williams, but he resigned with the Cardinals. The only other guy would be Hunter Henry, but he would cost more than double what Pruitt would make.
My identity for the team was that of versatility and potential  
Blue Ninja : 2/27/2020 1:36 pm : link
while filling holes and building.

Most of the guys I singed or drafted play multiple positions and do a lot of things. For example two of the guys I drafted were asked to work out at different positions:

https://twitter.com/NFLDraft/status/1232727054610649088

Thank you all for your comments.
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