“ If the Giants do use either tag on Williams, they are expected to tag him as a defensive tackle, and if they do, Williams' camp will likely file a grievance claiming he should be tagged as a defensive end, according to an NFL source. Williams played both positions with the Giants and Jets last season, but being tagged as an end could earn him approximately $4 million more...”
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I thought his all in comp for 2019 was $14.2M; regardless of position...What am I missing?
Outside linebacks are edge and 3-4 Ends are interior. It's not like this is a new thing, its been like this for almost 40 years.
at the transition tag DT # Williams is a pretty good deal it would seem
14.2 × 120% = $16.84 mil. Not sure where he is getting $13.7.
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The Jets picked up Leonard Williams fifth year option for 2019. The option is worth $14.2 million and is guaranteed for injury. If he is on the roster on the first day of the 2019 league year his salary will become fully guaranteed.
14.2 × 120% = $16.84 mil. Not sure where he is getting $13.7. Link - ( New Window )
I remember BW and I both raising this right after the trade, and I've spent an embarrassing amount of time trying to figure out if I'm wrong. But I've found no policy in the rules that contradicts this -- 120% of 14.2M is the number.
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The Jets picked up Leonard Williams fifth year option for 2019. The option is worth $14.2 million and is guaranteed for injury. If he is on the roster on the first day of the 2019 league year his salary will become fully guaranteed.
14.2 × 120% = $16.84 mil. Not sure where he is getting $13.7. Link - ( New Window )
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The Jets picked up Leonard Williams fifth year option for 2019. The option is worth $14.2 million and is guaranteed for injury. If he is on the roster on the first day of the 2019 league year his salary will become fully guaranteed.
14.2 × 120% = $16.84 mil. Not sure where he is getting $13.7. Link - ( New Window )
The $14.2M salary that we have been quoting comes from spotrac, but it may be incorrect. OTC has the number that Ralph is basing the article on. And OTC has a track record of being more accurate than spotrac. So I think Ralph is right. Good news!
My link is from OTC.
No they don't. They both say $14.2M for last year. Why do we have to go through this over and over?
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The Jets picked up Leonard Williams fifth year option for 2019. The option is worth $14.2 million and is guaranteed for injury. If he is on the roster on the first day of the 2019 league year his salary will become fully guaranteed.
14.2 × 120% = $16.84 mil. Not sure where he is getting $13.7. Link - ( New Window )
The $14.2M salary that we have been quoting comes from spotrac, but it may be incorrect. OTC has the number that Ralph is basing the article on. And OTC has a track record of being more accurate than spotrac. So I think Ralph is right. Good news!
Both sites have it at $14.2M. They just have it formatted differently.
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Spotrac has him at $14.2M for this year, but OTC agrees with Ralph's numbers.
No they don't. They both say $14.2M for last year. Why do we have to go through this over and over?
Get out the screen shots!
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But I've found no policy in the rules that contradicts this -- 120% of 14.2M is the number.
You are correct about the policy/rules, but wrong about $14.2M. He made $11.4M last year. OTC is more reliable than spotrac.
Here you go, Milton. It's $14.2M.
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Spotrac subtracted out his base salary from the $14.2 million option. Not sure why they did that but once his option was picked up for $14.2 that has to be his salary for 2019.
Spotrac used numbers that assumed he was a DE, but in fact he was a DT, so his 5th year option salary was nearly $3M less than that of a DE.
No, he was a DE for his 5th year option.
I know you REALLY want to believe that you're right, but you're not. Even OTC has him at $13.7 on the salary history tab, but I suspect the $500K shortfall there is just an error due to the Jets picking up a portion of LW's remaining salary for 2019 at the time of the trade.
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But I already posted that above.
Check out the link I posted above. And do your own math.
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But I already posted that above.
Check out the link I posted above. And do your own math.
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I know you REALLY want to believe that you're right, but you're not. Even OTC has him at $13.7 on the salary history tab, but I suspect the $500K shortfall there is just an error due to the Jets picking up a portion of LW's remaining salary for 2019 at the time of the trade.
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The Jets picked up Leonard Williams fifth year option for 2019. The option is worth $14.2 million and is guaranteed for injury. If he is on the roster on the first day of the 2019 league year his salary will become fully guaranteed.
A core of us were getting underneath this months ago and discussing why the LW acquisition was going to have a material cap impact. And that's whether you liked the trade or not...
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Don't let reality get in the way of what you hope is true.
Is that sarcasm? Go check for yourself! As the saying goes, we're all entitled to our own opinions, but not our own facts. Leonard Williams career earnings according to OTC - ( New Window )
Read the contract notes on LW's OTC page. You trust them as a source but also don't trust them as a source?
He made $14.2M last year. Get over it.
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The Jets picked up Leonard Williams fifth year option for 2019. The option is worth $14.2 million and is guaranteed for injury. If he is on the roster on the first day of the 2019 league year his salary will become fully guaranteed.
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OTC states in the contract notes:
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The Jets picked up Leonard Williams fifth year option for 2019. The option is worth $14.2 million and is guaranteed for injury. If he is on the roster on the first day of the 2019 league year his salary will become fully guaranteed.
OTC's "current contract" page is contradicted by their "history" page. I'm guessing the history page is correct. It just makes sense that the Jets would go with the DT # and not the DE # when you consider that he spent more snaps at DT than he did at DE. go to this link and do the math - ( New Window )
No, you're HOPING the history page is correct. But even the history page adds up a hell of a lot closer to $14.2M than to $11.4M, which suggests that they're just getting some part of the calculation wrong as it relates to the transfer of money related to the trade (because NYJ picked up part of LW's residual salary at the time of the transaction).
Every single data point but one corroborates the $14.2M salary, and even that one does NOT confirm the $11.4M salary.
What you're doing is grasping at the noise and ignoring the facts.
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Don't let reality get in the way of what you hope is true.
Is that sarcasm? Go check for yourself! As the saying goes, we're all entitled to our own opinions, but not our own facts. Leonard Williams career earnings according to OTC - ( New Window )
Read the contract notes on LW's OTC page. You trust them as a source but also don't trust them as a source?
He made $14.2M last year. Get over it.
Milton, think for a second. You are Leonard William's. You are guaranteed 14.2 million dollars.
Remember, rookie contracts are guaranteed for the most part, correct? Well, it seems like they added his base salary as part of his career earnings earlier than it was paid out. When his option was picked up he was guaranteed 14.2 mil but because they already gave him his base salary in their career earnings they had to subtract that back out of the 14.2 mil. Either way, he made 14.2 mil last year. That was the option that was picked up.
Milton, think for a second. You are Leonard William's. You are guaranteed 14.2 million dollars.
Remember, rookie contracts are guaranteed for the most part, correct? Well, it seems like they added his base salary as part of his career earnings earlier than it was paid out. When his option was picked up he was guaranteed 14.2 mil but because they already gave him his base salary in their career earnings they had to subtract that back out of the 14.2 mil. Either way, he made 14.2 mil last year. That was the option that was picked up.
One thing I know from following both sites throughout the years is that when there is a discrepancy, OTC is the site that has the correct number.
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Milton, think for a second. You are Leonard William's. You are guaranteed 14.2 million dollars.
Remember, rookie contracts are guaranteed for the most part, correct? Well, it seems like they added his base salary as part of his career earnings earlier than it was paid out. When his option was picked up he was guaranteed 14.2 mil but because they already gave him his base salary in their career earnings they had to subtract that back out of the 14.2 mil. Either way, he made 14.2 mil last year. That was the option that was picked up.
Both spotrac and OTC agree that the guaranteed money in his original contract was $18.63M. That covers the first four years of his career because the rookie contract was fully guaranteed as it is for all 1st round picks. The 5th year option is only guaranteed for injury, so it wasn't included in the guaranteed money that both sites give. Now look at the career earnings as given by spotrac and the career earnings as given by OTC. Spotrac has it as $32.9M, OTC has it is $30.03M. So there is a disagreement between the two sites. If you subtract 18.63 from 32.9, you get 14.2. If you subtract 18.63 from 30.03, you get 11.4. I understand that OTC has a contract note that says he earned $14.2M in 2019, but on that very same page they give his career earnings as $30.03. And on their "career earnings" page they also list his career earnings as $30.03. Why would the Jets pay him as a DE if he took more snaps as a DT? I'm gonna do some more googling to see if there was an article from May of 2018 that mentions the Jets picking up his 5th-year option.
One thing I know from following both sites throughout the years is that when there is a discrepancy, OTC is the site that has the correct number.
There's a lot of articles that mention it. As a DE.
You're grasping at a piece of arithmetic that isn't even supported by the actual salary numbers listed on OTC for 2019. Milton, you're just wrong about this. But your stubbornness is impressive.
You're grasping at a piece of arithmetic that isn't even supported by the actual salary numbers listed on OTC for 2019. Milton, you're just wrong about this. But your stubbornness is impressive.
And like I said, in years past OTC has been more reliable than spotrac.
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I love how you say other than. Lol. Why did OTC decide to put that note on their site? They didn't put a note that says 11.4.
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I love how you say other than. Lol. Why did OTC decide to put that note on their site? They didn't put a note that says 11.4.
Notes are written (and rounded off), the other #s appear like they were pulled directly from a database (they are detailed right down to the dollar).
Not really. If you add up the cash paid by the Jets and Giants it works out to the DT number for the 2019 5th year option. The Jets paid a portion of his remaining salary to allow the trade to work due to our cap limitations last year.