For those that really understand football, should we sign LW

and can take on double teams to free up other defenders to make plays. The run defense was much improved after the trade. He hasn't demonstrated he can get sacks at all in his career, but he's still young enough that he could further develop that skill.

He wants to stay in NY, or at least I get that impression.

He gives us a solid run-stuffing DL. Williams and Lawrence can both take on double teams so I believe our run defense this year will be superb.

The reason I now believe we'll take LB/SS tweener I. Simmons is that he can line up and blitz from anywhere as well as cover like a demon, helping us on 3rd down conversions immensely.

If we trade down to #6 we could still possibly land Simmons but more likely it will be an OT.

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because topping the run isn't more important than being able to defend the pass. Being able to generate a pass rush, contain the edge, and tackle on the outside with corners, safeties, and LBs are far more critical to building a defense. So those are bigger needs that LW's skills can't really fill...

Consequently, LW's price tag will not result in a positive ROI.

rather than resigning him. Good player, but that trade was idiotic and left us in a tough spot.

He might be the best player on the Giants defense.

So yes.

Get him a disrupter on his side of the line and he will really shine.

Just don't get silly and overpay too much for him

Will we? Yes.

Dave will get killed if he doesn’t.

If he wants 15 mil a year and 50 guaranteed is he worth?

to find those who "really" understand football?

People are here precisely because they don't "really" understand football.

If they did they would be at St Elmo's eating those ridiculous shrimp cocktails exactly right now

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to find those who "really" understand football? People are here precisely because they don't "really" understand football. If they did they would be at St Elmo's eating those ridiculous shrimp cocktails exactly right now

I’m talking about those that have played or coached. Not just the average fan like myself.

on the money, but my concern like that of so many others, is that DG will overpay to justify the draft capital he spent to get LW.

Not for more than $12M a year. He should be willing to accept sack escalators in his deal if he believes in himself. If he won't accept that type of structure say g'bye and eat the trade cost.

$500K bonus for 5 sacks
$1.5M for 10 sacks
$100K for each additional sack

Didnt Eliot say it was the easiest 140 yards he ever ran in his life??

In comment 14819197 montanagiant said:

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Get him a disrupter on his side of the line and he will really shine. Just don't get silly and overpay too much for him

I'm curious what the incremental difference between Golden and the edge rusher who's going to unleash Williams needs to be.

I don't think Golden is a great player, but probably pretty good. I worry a player that's considerably better than Golden is a really good player.

Then in turn I worry if Williams needs a really good player over the top of him, might it just be that player who is the priority?

Hmm maybe because we gave up over a yard less per rush for the half season he was on the DL is how?

Rather than cherry pick one bad game maybe a broader statistical data analysis yields a more accurate result to base your position on? So you won't look as foolish in the future as you do now? Just spit balling here of course.

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In comment 14819197 montanagiant said: Quote: Get him a disrupter on his side of the line and he will really shine. Just don't get silly and overpay too much for him I'm curious what the incremental difference between Golden and the edge rusher who's going to unleash Williams needs to be. I don't think Golden is a great player, but probably pretty good. I worry a player that's considerably better than Golden is a really good player. Then in turn I worry if Williams needs a really good player over the top of him, might it just be that player who is the priority?

Doesn't any player need help to fully unleash what they bring to the table (Outside of LT of course).

Having other teams account for a good ER on both sides leaves us with an extremely stout interior 3

In comment 14819186 bw in dc said:

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because topping the run isn't more important than being able to defend the pass. Being able to generate a pass rush, contain the edge, and tackle on the outside with corners, safeties, and LBs are far more critical to building a defense. So those are bigger needs that LW's skills can't really fill... Consequently, LW's price tag will not result in a positive ROI.

Stopping the run is not as important as being able to defend the pass..???? WTF

That statement rules you out as knowledgeable.

If you don't stop the run, you won't have to defend the pass.

Yes, you have to pressure the QB, it is very important and you do that when you deny that team the ability to make 1st downs via the running game.

Yannick, B Jones and a OC.

In comment 14819384 Jim in Forest Hills said:

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Yannick, B Jones and a OC.

Point taken. I think what we do in FA, will have little to do with signing the guys/position you referenced.

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Yannick, B Jones and a OC.

Yannick is asking too much money.

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In comment 14819384 Jim in Forest Hills said: Quote: Yannick, B Jones and a OC. Yannick is asking too much money.

Floated by his Agent, no doubt. He can ask for anything he wants, what he’s actually paid is another thing

In comment 14819383 Big Blue '56 said:

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Quote: Vincent Rapisardi (@VinceRapisardi) 2/25/20, 10:49 PM Leonard Williams with the Giants (8 games): 17 QB Pressures 11 QB Hits 3.7% Missed Tackle Percentage Whether you agree with the trade or not, those are impressive numbers for a 3-4 DE. Especially with the lack of defensive playmakers behind him

stupid question but does a qb hit also count as a pressure? Meaning, did he have 11 qb hits and then an additional 6 pressures?

My feeling is if another team wants to overpay him, then they have to let him go. But they should field a good offer to him. Gonna be a tough call.

Former 1st round talent that you got for a 3rd and 5th.

Yes. You sign him. He can contribute. Chris Canty level player, at least, is how I see him.

Gettleman certainly did himself no favors by wasting draft picks when he should solely be thinking about accumulating them, but nevertheless.

To the OP's question. I am actually ambivalent whether the Giants should sign him.

On one hand, assuming the sunk draft picks don't confuse DG with regards to installing a $ cap, I think Williams would indeed be a nice piece to have on the defense.

On the other hand, if free agency only allows the Giants to address one (or a few) issues amongst Edge, Oline, LB and Williams. Then I would put Williams at the end of that line of priorities.

Unfortunately, Gettleman's free agent deals have also sucked, therefore at least we know Williams doesn't suck. Bird in the hand?

I think you have to go with the Edge rusher. LW is a good solid player but he hasnt proved to be a finisher which is what we really need. I think we have enough money to sign LW and get an ER to shore the D up. If you sign LW you still need an Edge Rusher or 2. But if you get a good quality Edge rusher you don't necessarily need LW.

He's a plus run defender and disruptor, but he's not a pass rusher. You need to put talent behind him on the Edge in order for him to be most effective. You also spent draft picks for the opportunity to secure him for the future, so the football decision figures to have been already decided.

The problem is cost. $12M per? I can get behind it. $15M per or more? I walk away.

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Don’t lie in his case he is a 6-8 million player but he will never become a pass rusher so I made a mistake let’s not add to it. Let him test FA but don’t be afraid to see someone pay him more than he will ever be worth just make sure it’s not the Giants.

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Former 1st round talent that you got for a 3rd and 5th. Yes. You sign him. He can contribute. Chris Canty level player, at least, is how I see him.

Great comparison. The problem is the team needs to sign talent around him so they utilize his price tag

The DL as bw incorrectly states, is the foundation of stopping the run. Look no further than the NFC title game, and how few passes Garapolo had to throw. Precisely because the Packers had no ability to stop the run. It's the very first thing you must be able to do, period. Anyone saying differently is simply trolling just to troll and stir up shit.

I like bw, known him for years but his post is 100% wrong and he knows it, he's simply bashing the team because it's fun for him, when we start winning again he will vanish.

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