Another DG thread

Actually hate our 2X SB MVP QB who beat the best team the NFL ever had and then did it again 4 years later.

Are you really surprised?

In comment 14819329 montanagiant said:

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Actually hate our 2X SB MVP QB who beat the best team the NFL ever had and then did it again 4 years later. Are you really surprised?

Fair enough. I find both things very perplexing

In comment 14819330 kennyd said:

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In comment 14819329 montanagiant said: Quote: Actually hate our 2X SB MVP QB who beat the best team the NFL ever had and then did it again 4 years later. Are you really surprised? Fair enough. I find both things very perplexing

Absolutely, Kenny, I'm right there with you

That spills over, as the losing continues....

Plus, the media vitriol gets transposed....I feel the media hates the guy, as he lies to them, so they constantly write crap about him....and the "fans" follow.....

And then

The handful, of hindsight is 20/20 gms at bbi feel they can do better.....and drafting a RB @2 also had the analyticals going crazy.

I think he has done a ton of good and has transformed the Giants into a very young team with potential and a ton of cap room...if Daniel turns out to be a franchise QB, that would be amazing...now, he hasn't been perfect, but much of it was coach driven.....like Bathea wasn't him.

His 1st draft looked better in the 1st year.....was it all bad coaching? Maybe, we can confirm it this year.....as this coaching staff, will have these guys prepared. LW was a desperate move,if signed and player evolves accordingly....it will turn out fine, but very risky.

I felt he needed 3 years.....so I am giving him 3 years. So,

Very important off season for him.

This board was largely pro DG. I found myself coming off as anti Gettlemen. Now it’s turned on him with some opinions over the top I tend to find myself more in his defense. That said, I do agree that DG has lost some power. Joe Judge was brought in as a program builder and I tend to agree that will come with a price of loss of power to DG. The alignment of power NYG has embraced for years is evolving.

Have a lot more to do with his hiring than just his last two years as GM.
He is old school; he eschews analytics; he was a typical Giants choice of another organizational retread; the search did not seem particularly exhaustive and then he goes out and produces two really bad teams.

Now if you like him, you point to Daniel Jones, pretty good drafts, and getting rid of most of Reece’s guys.

If you don’t you point to lousy free agent signings, a bizarre trade for LW and more losing.

He was picking 2nd overall and 6th overall in every damn round. I dont feel like we have any probowlers on this roster except maybe Barkley (who I would not of selected due to having no oline) . Sure he has selcted a few who look like they can play in this league . Lawrence , Slayton , Jones , maybe Connolly . But jury is still out bigtime . I would be willing to suffer another bad year over going 7-9 and missing playoffs, if it meant DG is gone and we insert a competant GM to run things. Thats how little faith I have in this clueless dinosaur.

Boo-hoo and it has escalated from there, unless you considered a minor signing of Stewart significant. I didn’t want him here and I was disappointed in his hire, but he essentially had to clean up the Reese messes. His drafts have been good, perhaps turn out great and his hits and misses in FA have been pretty much on par with EVERYONE ELSE in the league.

To me? It absolutely started, BIG TIME with Darnold(or QB of choice)..

And they have been upset about it ever since. To them it seemed like the Giants were playing it safe instead of making an innovative hire.

In any event, the jury is still out on DG and it's too soon to make any clear judgments. Team rebuilding isn't done overnight.

In comment 14819373 RobCarpenter said:

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And they have been upset about it ever since. To them it seemed like the Giants were playing it safe instead of making an innovative hire. In any event, the jury is still out on DG and it's too soon to make any clear judgments. Team rebuilding isn't done overnight.

A simple, spot on and excellent post, imv.

well said

as BB said

from day one. I didn’t/don’t think Gettleman was that impressive in his GM role as Carolina and 100% believe he was solely hired because he was a card carrying member of the “Giants Way”, something Mara strongly prefers in that role. But I think that was the very last we needed in that role - old and safe.

(The Accorsi role really pissed me off, too. It was clear Mara was giving Accorsi a chance to redeem himself after he recommended the hiring of Reese. So a lot of the Gettleman man hire is on Mara.)

And based on where we are record wise under Gettleman, his coaching hires, and the holes that continue to exist in the roster (both starters and depth) per Gettleman’s personnel decisions, we are arguably just as bad since the day he arrived.

His personality and press conferences just reaffirm to me that he’s completely unfit for the role as face of the franchise. The lack of preparation has been embarrassing when he’s facing the media.

Remember the shirt of Goodell with the clown nose? They should make one for Gettleman. It would be a monster seller...

In comment 14819393 bw in dc said:

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from day one. I didn’t/don’t think Gettleman was that impressive in his GM role as Carolina and 100% believe he was solely hired because he was a card carrying member of the “Giants Way”, something Mara strongly prefers in that role. But I think that was the very last we needed in that role - old and safe. (The Accorsi role really pissed me off, too. It was clear Mara was giving Accorsi a chance to redeem himself after he recommended the hiring of Reese. So a lot of the Gettleman man hire is on Mara.) And based on where we are record wise under Gettleman, his coaching hires, and the holes that continue to exist in the roster (both starters and depth) per Gettleman’s personnel decisions, we are arguably just as bad since the day he arrived. His personality and press conferences just reaffirm to me that he’s completely unfit for the role as face of the franchise. The lack of preparation has been embarrassing when he’s facing the media. Remember the shirt of Goodell with the clown nose? They should make one for Gettleman. It would be a monster seller...

Why would anyone give a fuck about his personality and press conferences? George Young or no George Young, Parcells was the face of the franchise and his personality and press conferences were even more obnoxious and I loved the Tuna.

In comment 14819364 Big Blue '56 said:

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Boo-hoo and it has escalated from there, unless you considered a minor signing of Stewart significant. I didn’t want him here and I was disappointed in his hire, but he essentially had to clean up the Reese messes. His drafts have been good, perhaps turn out great and his hits and misses in FA have been pretty much on par with EVERYONE ELSE in the league. To me? It absolutely started, BIG TIME with Darnold(or QB of choice)..

There are probably some for whom that was the turning point. For me it started at the very beginning with his terrible evaluation of the roster in the 2018 offseason which, by DG's own admission, wasted a year of the rebuild timeline and probably caused some pieces to be added in a suboptimal sequence. On top of that, it's been his absolutely abysmal work in rebuilding the offensive line, with multiple bad free agent signings and a bizarre attachment to Jon Halapio, who everyone but DG can see is a liability.

I think he's just better suited to either take an established foundation to a higher level, or to be a top lieutenant for a front office during a rebuild. His moves carry too much inconsistency to reflect a well-conceived plan and the discipline to stick to that script as much as possible. He seems reactionary, which can be an asset when a team is already good and the GM needs to patch holes and build the underlying talent pipeline based on opportunity, but in a full-scale rebuild, it's not nearly as helpful.

And I'm reminded that even though Accorsi endorsed Gettleman in 2017, he did originally pluck Reese as his successor ahead of DG. Maybe it's simply wishful thinking to expect that Accorsi's first instinct was wrong.

But Reese was not especially good - this is not intended as a defense of his work. Just that it seemed stale to go back to the same lineage when the entire operation really needed a 360 review. That was always less likely to happen with a familiar face than with someone new.

at the fucking idiot who started that thread.

It is Giants38, a poster who refers to Gettleman as DSG.

Dave Shitbag Gettleman.

When you have some moron referring to a grown man as a shitbag repeatedly, you can basically ignore anything from that source.

I expect a GM, essentially an officer of the company, to sound prepared, organized, and professional.

If you prefer the buffoonery approach than you should be pleased.

In comment 14819411 bw in dc said:

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I expect a GM, essentially an officer of the company, to sound prepared, organized, and professional. If you prefer the buffoonery approach than you should be pleased.

LOL. The hell you do!

The Redskins have been trotting out trainwrecks for GM's for years.

In comment 14819411 bw in dc said:

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I expect a GM, essentially an officer of the company, to sound prepared, organized, and professional. If you prefer the buffoonery approach than you should be pleased.

I was quite pleased with the Tuna and he was a buffoon. A lovable one, but a buffoon nevertheless..

Namely the Mara bros.

John seems like a good man with good intentions but I wonder about his ability level.

He built that terrible stadium
He hired McAdoo and Shurmur.
He bungled the Eli benching thing

But he was born with a license to print money so it doesn’t really matter.

In comment 14819393 bw in dc said:

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from day one. I didn’t/don’t think Gettleman was that impressive in his GM role as Carolina and 100% believe he was solely hired because he was a card carrying member of the “Giants Way”, something Mara strongly prefers in that role. But I think that was the very last we needed in that role - old and safe. (The Accorsi role really pissed me off, too. It was clear Mara was giving Accorsi a chance to redeem himself after he recommended the hiring of Reese. So a lot of the Gettleman man hire is on Mara.) And based on where we are record wise under Gettleman, his coaching hires, and the holes that continue to exist in the roster (both starters and depth) per Gettleman’s personnel decisions, we are arguably just as bad since the day he arrived. His personality and press conferences just reaffirm to me that he’s completely unfit for the role as face of the franchise. The lack of preparation has been embarrassing when he’s facing the media. Remember the shirt of Goodell with the clown nose? They should make one for Gettleman. It would be a monster seller...

Well, you and I are pretty much lockstep in this, except I believe that DG's role has been reduced, if not stripped.

But I agree. Every PC, every statement DG makes is bordering on nonsensical. Unlike what he said, scheme matters. You think he knows that, but instead he chooses to say that

In comment 14819414 Big Blue '56 said:

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I was quite pleased with the Tuna and he was a buffoon. A lovable one, but a buffoon nevertheless..

As a huge fan of Parcells, so this comes with much bias, I recall Parcells being a maestro at controlling the press. He exuded confidence.

Gettleman is largely the opposite...to me.

But it’s a little more venomous with me. Friends and family know (because I’ve told them) I legitimately loathe the man. His body of work here, has been mostly below average. And if we go 6-10 or worse this year, after 3 offseasons, he cannot get a fourth bite at the apple.

put Gettleman in a hole before he even showed up.

But then he did not do himself any favors by poorly assessing Eli, the roster and the team's ability as a whole to be competitive from the outset.

Add in a few significant moves that would probably be handled differently if DG had properly assessed the (poor) state of the team, and the arrogant nature that seems to accompany it, and you have a nice recipe for why he is not liked.

The passing on Darnold in the draft was a moment, not the fulcrum.

I legitimately loathe the man

In comment 14819329 montanagiant said:

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Actually hate our 2X SB MVP QB who beat the best team the NFL ever had and then did it again 4 years later. Are you really surprised?

Great Point!

I really can't believe that's a sentiment for a football professional, but there you have it.

That's a lot of what these endless circles of bashing Gettleman are about - you have fans who hate the man!

I wanted Quentin Nelson.

I don't like Gettleman because the hiring process that resulted in him was a joke, he sounds like a clown every time he opens his mouth, and he's done a mostly miserable job thus far. Simple as that.

credit for these pearls of wisdom yesterday - “Look, offense is offense...”

So if you’re a fan of DG and looking for something to re-assure you of DG’s GM chops, there you have it...

In comment 14819461 FatMan in Charlotte said:

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I really can't believe that's a sentiment for a football professional, but there you have it. That's a lot of what these endless circles of bashing Gettleman are about - you have fans who hate the man!

Is hating someone not allowed? I am fairly certain there’s a big enough pocket of NYG fans who feel similar.

In comment 14819461 FatMan in Charlotte said:

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I really can't believe that's a sentiment for a football professional, but there you have it. That's a lot of what these endless circles of bashing Gettleman are about - you have fans who hate the man!

Even though it's stated clear as day, not even veiled slightly, you'll continually have posters defend that that's not the case, that it's strictly objective criticism.

When you come right out and say that, how can anything you say about the subject be taken objectively from that point on?

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In comment 14819461 FatMan in Charlotte said: Quote: I really can't believe that's a sentiment for a football professional, but there you have it. That's a lot of what these endless circles of bashing Gettleman are about - you have fans who hate the man! Is hating someone not allowed? I am fairly certain there’s a big enough pocket of NYG fans who feel similar.

I agree with the bolded, 100%. Whether they'll come right out and say it, or not.

I've always maintained it's a 3 year evaluation and re-build. At the time, that notion got plenty of flack and patronizing comments. I stand by that timeframe.

In the interim a number of posters I really respect have gone in some strange directions to trivialize criticism and/or the utility of general management.

Maybe the role of GM is overstated, but team vision and building has been a problem, the general manager admitted it. The Giants have been profoundly bad for about 6 years, they've been historically awful the last 2 years.

There are mitigating, but not exonerating factors. It's not been one or two bad moves. There have been several. When those get debated the discussion devolves into excuse making.

When Dave Gettleman's tenure coincides with a winning football team, it will be miraculous how popular he becomes.

to hate whomever you want.

Just like others are entitled to question why a grown man would bear hate for another individual for no legitimate reason.

Can't stop hate - but hopefully shining light on morons taking ridiculous stances helps....

In comment 14819478 FatMan in Charlotte said:

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to hate whomever you want. Just like others are entitled to question why a grown man would bear hate for another individual for no legitimate reason. Can't stop hate - but hopefully shining light on morons taking ridiculous stances helps....

I think the manner in how he was hired and 9-23 can’t just be dismissed as “no legitimate reason”.

Of course it can!

How he was hired is reason to hate HIM??

why don't you hate Mara instead.

You are blaming a guy for the way he was hired, and attributing hate to him for it?

Hopefully you aren't trying to shed the moron designation.

hire initially. I also don't like the way he conducts himself in the media. I also don't like some of the players that he brought in.

BUT - that doesn't automatically mean that he can't build a winner.

I all of sudden find myself defending the guy despite the fact that I would have chosen someone else.

I think I defend him b/c I'm a fan of the Giants...but for no other reason.

I LEGITIMATELY loathe a person I never met and who is not in my life and never will be?

A guy who takes no money from me, denied me nothing and doesn't stop me from whatever life I wish

I LEGITIMATELY loathe him.

And I think that's normal and defensible?

I LEGITIMATELY loathe a person I never met and who is not in my life and never will be

A guy who takes no money from me, denied me nothing and doesn't stop me from whatever life I wish

I LEGITIMATELY loathe him.

And I think that's normal, OK and defensible

In comment 14819485 FatMan in Charlotte said:

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Of course it can! How he was hired is reason to hate HIM?? why don't you hate Mara instead. You are blaming a guy for the way he was hired, and attributing hate to him for it? Hopefully you aren't trying to shed the moron designation.

Who’s the moron here? The guy who hates the GM because he’s perceived by the media AND a good number of his fans as an incompetent buffoon (9-23) or the president of the DG fan club who thinks the guy has been good at his job? I don’t think the choice can be any clearer.

As an aside, USA TODAY is the latest publication to absolutely cut Dave to ribbons.
Link - ( New Window )

No one is defending DG at this point

But the emotional excess and hyperfocus is easy to see and a hard position to defend

There is no enemy here. Your emotion needs to go into letters to the NYG or some channel that does not spill every day into a dead end

Captain Ahab did at least have a harpoon when obsessively chasing the White Whale. None of us do

probably find some posts where I say DG is good at his job, rather than refuting takes that he's a trainwreck and a hated man.

I can actually find a post right above saying you legitimately loathe him.

Are you actually fucking defending that nonsense and wearing it as a badge of honor??

I hope some day I'm able to be the President of a Fan Club for a guy who has a hand in leading to winning again. And if that day comes, your moronic ass will not get a membership!!

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In comment 14819502 FatMan in Charlotte said:

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probably find some posts where I say DG is good at his job, rather than refuting takes that he's a trainwreck and a hated man. I can actually find a post right above saying you legitimately loathe him. Are you actually fucking defending that nonsense and wearing it as a badge of honor?? I hope some day I'm able to be the President of a Fan Club for a guy who has a hand in leading to winning again. And if that day comes, your moronic ass will not get a membership!!

Damn, you just ruined my day.

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Is probably an average GM. Most teams have hits and misses in FA and the draft, which is what DG has done. The losing record (not all DGs fault) has skewed people's opinions.

In comment 14819421 ron mexico said:

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Namely the Mara bros. John seems like a good man with good intentions but I wonder about his ability level. He built that terrible stadium He hired McAdoo and Shurmur. He bungled the Eli benching thing But he was born with a license to print money so it doesn’t really matter.

This, x 10.

I said it when DG was hired - I didn't dislike the guy, and I didn't think he was a bad exec. What I did think was that he was the wrong guy for this organization, one that had become mired in some really faulty thinking and needed some drastic change, and were instead bringing in an old friend to see if they could continue along the same path with different results.

Not surprisingly, they couldn't.

I think the Giants most admirable quality is also their downfall. They're loyal. They just relieved two guys of their duties after almost 20 years. I'm sure that was an extremely difficult thing to do. I don't think those types of decisions can easily been made when everyone in the building has been together for that long (for Gettleman, slightly less with his stint in Carolina). They needed outside perspective and didn't get it.

the problem is not out here on the board.

You revealed too much of the mess inside. Now you are embarrassed and don't know how to handle it.

You lost all credibility as a poster with balanced insights and now you don't know how to handle it

Don't you realize that your mind is not our problem?

Only you can fix it and you cant fix it here

Now all we are observing is a side hooked baby flounder flopping on the dock and gasping with the shock of his predicament and the harshness of the actual light.

Maybe a new start, new self examination and a new handle is the way to go

In comment 14819411 bw in dc said:

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I expect a GM, essentially an officer of the company, to sound prepared, organized, and professional. If you prefer the buffoonery approach than you should be pleased.

We all can agree that stylistically DG leaves a lot to be desired. He’s pretty cringeworthy in front of the press. With due respect, I honestly don’t care if our GM is good in public, I care about him making sound football decisions.

This is a discussion board, so of course we’re all entitled to our opinions, and you and anyone who’s questioned/criticized at least some of DGs decisions has reasonable grounds.

IMO if it turns out he’s hit on the Jones pick and we have a new franchise QB for the next 12 year, that outweighs a lot of his bad decisions like trading for Ogletree or signing Stewart at RB. Bad decisions, but far less significant that nailing a top QB draft pick.

I think most can admit that some fans hatred of DG has gone to an irrational level, that’s what this thread is about.

Instead of evaluating his decisions one by one, many fans thing any decision he makes sucks just bc he made it. That’s where these reasonable discussions/debates get silly. IMO

In comment 14819518 Bill2 said:

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the problem is not out here on the board. You revealed too much of the mess inside. Now you are embarrassed and don't know how to handle it. You lost all credibility as a poster with balanced insights and now you don't know how to handle it Don't you realize that your mind is not our problem? Only you can fix it and you cant fix it here Now all we are observing is a side hooked baby flounder flopping on the dock and gasping with the shock of his predicament and the harshness of the actual light. Maybe a new start, new self examination and a new handle is the way to go

I’m not in any predicament at all. The bottom line here is we are all NYG fans who want to see the team do well. When Dave does something worthy of praise, I have given it on those rare occasions and should he end up turning this around this year, I will give him kudos and all that stuff. I’ll be around here on bbi longer than Dave will be GM of the NYG.

Now that is a reasonable take

and prior to that post I always thought you were a pretty balanced contributor