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Eric from BBI : Admin : 2/26/2020 7:42 am
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GA OL Solomon Kindley  
jvm52106 : 2/26/2020 9:49 am : link
told a great story of saving a kid (when he was a life guard) and how it changed him. Sounds like a great young man and has a chip on his shoulder (was rated the 1800th best high school prospect coming out).. Uses that to motivate himself.
Austin Jackson is one of my favorite OT's in the draft  
Jay on the Island : 2/26/2020 9:54 am : link
If the Giants do not select an OT with their first pick I hope they land Austin Jackson with their 2nd even if it requires a slight trade up. He is a little raw but he is very athletic and he has a big upside.

If the Giants sign a veteran to start at RT then a player like Austin Jackson makes a lot of sense for the Giants. He could begin the season as the swing tackle and be ready to start by midseason if Solder continues to struggle.
Andrew Thomas reminds  
Dnew15 : 2/26/2020 10:01 am : link
me of John Runyan.
OLB K’Lavon Chaisson  
jeff57 : 2/26/2020 10:13 am : link
Height: 6-3
Weight: 254
Hand: 9 7/8
Arm: 32 2/8
Wingspan: 79 2/8
Some good stuff on this thread  
Bill2 : 2/26/2020 10:14 am : link
thank you all
. . .  
jeff57 : 2/26/2020 10:16 am : link
OLB Anfernee Jennings

Height: 6-2 1/8
Weight: 256
Hand: 9 1/8
Arm: 32 7/8
Wingspan: 79 4/8
RE: Austin Jackson is one of my favorite OT's in the draft  
Big Rick in FL : 2/26/2020 10:34 am : link
In comment 14819520 Jay on the Island said:
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If the Giants do not select an OT with their first pick I hope they land Austin Jackson with their 2nd even if it requires a slight trade up. He is a little raw but he is very athletic and he has a big upside.

If the Giants sign a veteran to start at RT then a player like Austin Jackson makes a lot of sense for the Giants. He could begin the season as the swing tackle and be ready to start by midseason if Solder continues to struggle.


Daniel Jeremiah said today that Austin Jackson is getting top 15 buzz. So that kinda sucks. Like you I was hoping he'd be an option at the top of the 2nd round.
RE: RE: Austin Jackson is one of my favorite OT's in the draft  
barens : 2/26/2020 10:35 am : link
In comment 14819566 Big Rick in FL said:
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In comment 14819520 Jay on the Island said:


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If the Giants do not select an OT with their first pick I hope they land Austin Jackson with their 2nd even if it requires a slight trade up. He is a little raw but he is very athletic and he has a big upside.

If the Giants sign a veteran to start at RT then a player like Austin Jackson makes a lot of sense for the Giants. He could begin the season as the swing tackle and be ready to start by midseason if Solder continues to struggle.



Daniel Jeremiah said today that Austin Jackson is getting top 15 buzz. So that kinda sucks. Like you I was hoping he'd be an option at the top of the 2nd round.


I get the feeling there is going to be a big time run on offensive tackles early on. I feel like 6 will not make it out of the first round.
RE: OLB K’Lavon Chaisson  
Rjanyg : 2/26/2020 10:45 am : link
In comment 14819538 jeff57 said:
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Height: 6-3
Weight: 254
Hand: 9 7/8
Arm: 32 2/8
Wingspan: 79 2/8


I love this kid. He is so explosive. If we could trade down to 2-5 spots, pick up another 1st or early 2nd round pick, I would take Chaisson and then go OL with the next pick.
Isaiah Simmons  
Big Rick in FL : 2/26/2020 10:50 am : link
6'3 3/8
238 pounds
9 5/8 hands
33 3/8 arms
81 7/8 wingspan

Good start to the combine for him.
RE: RE: OLB K’Lavon Chaisson  
Dnew15 : 2/26/2020 10:53 am : link
In comment 14819574 Rjanyg said:
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In comment 14819538 jeff57 said:


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Height: 6-3
Weight: 254
Hand: 9 7/8
Arm: 32 2/8
Wingspan: 79 2/8



I love this kid. He is so explosive. If we could trade down to 2-5 spots, pick up another 1st or early 2nd round pick, I would take Chaisson and then go OL with the next pick.


Chaisson is only 20!
I like this kid too.. He's got the potential to be unreal.
6'3" 254 are real nice measurables - with a year in the NFL weight room... I love it.
RE: Isaiah Simmons  
The_Boss : 2/26/2020 10:55 am : link
In comment 14819577 Big Rick in FL said:
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6'3 3/8
238 pounds
9 5/8 hands
33 3/8 arms
81 7/8 wingspan

Good start to the combine for him.


If he were 15 pounds heavier with the same expected explosiveness, I would sign off on him at 4 as an OLB.
RE: RE: OLB K’Lavon Chaisson  
The_Boss : 2/26/2020 10:59 am : link
In comment 14819574 Rjanyg said:
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In comment 14819538 jeff57 said:


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Height: 6-3
Weight: 254
Hand: 9 7/8
Arm: 32 2/8
Wingspan: 79 2/8



I love this kid. He is so explosive. If we could trade down to 2-5 spots, pick up another 1st or early 2nd round pick, I would take Chaisson and then go OL with the next pick.


We trade with the Raiders...get their 2 firsts this year.
Chaisson
Jackson (OT)

I’d be pretty thrilled.
RE: Austin Jackson is one of my favorite OT's in the draft  
AcidTest : 2/26/2020 11:07 am : link
In comment 14819520 Jay on the Island said:
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If the Giants do not select an OT with their first pick I hope they land Austin Jackson with their 2nd even if it requires a slight trade up. He is a little raw but he is very athletic and he has a big upside.

If the Giants sign a veteran to start at RT then a player like Austin Jackson makes a lot of sense for the Giants. He could begin the season as the swing tackle and be ready to start by midseason if Solder continues to struggle.


Agreed. I like Jackson a lot. Such a smooth, easy, mover with very light, quick, feet. Pulls well, and is good in space. Long enough arms. Can add mass without losing quickness in all likelihood. He does need to improve his technique, especially his hand placement, and get stronger, but he has everything else.
The Raiders also  
Dnew15 : 2/26/2020 11:09 am : link
have 3 3rd picks.
I'd love to get one of those too.
. . . .  
jeff57 : 2/26/2020 11:13 am : link
ILB Kenneth Murray

Height: 6-2 4/8
Weight: 241
Hand: 9 4/8
Arm: 32 6/8
Wingspan: 80
2 Takeaways  
Biteymax22 : 2/26/2020 11:25 am : link
1 - If Isiah Simmons weighed in at 238 knowing that number mattered I would guess he'll really play in the high 220's or right around 230 (gallon of water before weigh in likely)

2 - Derek Brown, and this doesn't effect play so is worthless, but does a 9" hand for a guy that size with arms that long seem weird? All 3 of those things go together typically.
Murray is one of those guys who didn't look very big  
ghost718 : 2/26/2020 11:30 am : link
Maybe they used Kyler Murray's tape measure
Spreadsheet of combine results  
widmerseyebrow : 2/26/2020 11:34 am : link
Is anyone doing that this year?
...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 2/26/2020 11:34 am : link
NFL Draft
@NFLDraft
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Official #NFLCombine LB measurements:

Tallest: Cameron Brown and Terrell Lewis, 6-5 1/4

Heaviest: Nick Coe, 280

Longest arms: Azur Kamara, 35 1/4

Longest wing: Daniel Bituli and Terrell Lewis, 83 3/8

Largest hands: Willie Gay Jr., 10 1/2
Idk about the  
90.Cal : 2/26/2020 11:43 am : link
At 240... that height, length... speed, explosion... power, cover skills... that is absolutely rare for a guy his size. He is about the same weight/a bit heavier than Devin White, Devin Bush and Roquon Smith were at their combines...
meant to read  
90.Cal : 2/26/2020 11:44 am : link
Idk about "if he was 15 pounds heavier" for Simmons
Nick Coe  
Bill in UT : 2/26/2020 12:13 pm : link
A 280 pound LB?
RE: 2 Takeaways  
cokeduplt : 2/26/2020 12:14 pm : link
In comment 14819650 Biteymax22 said:
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1 - If Isiah Simmons weighed in at 238 knowing that number mattered I would guess he'll really play in the high 220's or right around 230 (gallon of water before weigh in likely)

2 - Derek Brown, and this doesn't effect play so is worthless, but does a 9" hand for a guy that size with arms that long seem weird? All 3 of those things go together typically.



A gallon of water doesn’t weigh 8lbs
RE: Idk about the  
Nine-Tails : 2/26/2020 12:18 pm : link
In comment 14819685 90.Cal said:
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At 240... that height, length... speed, explosion... power, cover skills... that is absolutely rare for a guy his size. He is about the same weight/a bit heavier than Devin White, Devin Bush and Roquon Smith were at their combines...


Also, a bit heavier than studs like Deion Jones and Darius Stewart. He’s my pick
Correction  
Nine-Tails : 2/26/2020 12:19 pm : link
Darius Leonard
Jedrick Wills mentioned  
barens : 2/26/2020 12:31 pm : link
that the toughest player he had to face was not in the SEC, it was Josh Uche from Michigan.

This makes sense because that was the one game were I thought he struggled a bit.
RE: Idk about the  
Danny Dimes : 2/26/2020 12:33 pm : link
In comment 14819685 90.Cal said:
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At 240... that height, length... speed, explosion... power, cover skills... that is absolutely rare for a guy his size. He is about the same weight/a bit heavier than Devin White, Devin Bush and Roquon Smith were at their combines...


Seriously, not sure why people label him a tweener when he is a bit bigger then the guys you mentioned during their combine.
RE: RE: 2 Takeaways  
Biteymax22 : 2/26/2020 1:08 pm : link
In comment 14819732 cokeduplt said:
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In comment 14819650 Biteymax22 said:


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1 - If Isiah Simmons weighed in at 238 knowing that number mattered I would guess he'll really play in the high 220's or right around 230 (gallon of water before weigh in likely)

2 - Derek Brown, and this doesn't effect play so is worthless, but does a 9" hand for a guy that size with arms that long seem weird? All 3 of those things go together typically.




A gallon of water doesn’t weigh 8lbs


8.34 if you're going to nit pick about .34lbs....
How much does a gallon of water weigh? - ( New Window )
RE: RE: Idk about the  
Dnew15 : 2/26/2020 1:29 pm : link
In comment 14819771 Danny Dimes said:
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In comment 14819685 90.Cal said:


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At 240... that height, length... speed, explosion... power, cover skills... that is absolutely rare for a guy his size. He is about the same weight/a bit heavier than Devin White, Devin Bush and Roquon Smith were at their combines...



Seriously, not sure why people label him a tweener when he is a bit bigger then the guys you mentioned during their combine.


I used to say tweener due to the fact that he played so many different positions, you would figure his size would be a reason for why... but, thanks to a lot of other people who know more than I, it seems as though he played all over the place b/c he was just that good.
RE: RE: RE: OLB K’Lavon Chaisson  
Rjanyg : 2/26/2020 1:33 pm : link
In comment 14819594 The_Boss said:
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In comment 14819538 jeff57 said:


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Height: 6-3
Weight: 254
Hand: 9 7/8
Arm: 32 2/8
Wingspan: 79 2/8



I love this kid. He is so explosive. If we could trade down to 2-5 spots, pick up another 1st or early 2nd round pick, I would take Chaisson and then go OL with the next pick.



We trade with the Raiders...get their 2 firsts this year.
Chaisson
Jackson (OT)

I’d be pretty thrilled.


Exactly or Josh Jones. Getting an ER and OT in round 1 would be amazing.
I dont want Simmons at 4  
Rudy5757 : 2/26/2020 1:47 pm : link
I see a better athlete than football player. Yes he makes some great plays but you also see a guy that gets lost in plays. More safety than LB, I dont think he is tough enough to play that close to the line all the time.
Jets met with a few of the top OTs  
MeadowlandsMike : 2/26/2020 2:09 pm : link
Have Giants met any yet?
...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 2/26/2020 2:17 pm : link
David Newton
@DNewtonespn
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Ron Rivera says the Redskins will bring in QBs Joe Burrow and Tua Tagavailoa. Says all options are on the table.
Time to see  
BigBlueCane : 2/26/2020 3:09 pm : link
how Becton fares in the interviews and drills. I think he and Simmons remain atop the the Giants list.
agree  
Bill2 : 2/26/2020 3:34 pm : link
with the posters who like Chaisson and a trade down
RE: ...  
Anakim : 2/26/2020 4:00 pm : link
In comment 14819942 Eric from BBI said:
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David Newton
@DNewtonespn
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Ron Rivera says the Redskins will bring in QBs Joe Burrow and Tua Tagavailoa. Says all options are on the table.


How awesome would it be if the Bengals took a QB, Washington took a QB and then either the Dolphins, Chargers or Panthers send a shitload to the Lions to take a third QB, leaving us with Chase Young.
RE: I dont want Simmons at 4  
Victor in CT : 2/26/2020 4:05 pm : link
In comment 14819892 Rudy5757 said:
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I see a better athlete than football player. Yes he makes some great plays but you also see a guy that gets lost in plays. More safety than LB, I dont think he is tough enough to play that close to the line all the time.


Agreed. I don't see how to justify taking a guy without a defined position at #4 overall. Hard pass.
RE: RE: ...  
Rjanyg : 2/26/2020 4:24 pm : link
In comment 14820093 Anakim said:
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In comment 14819942 Eric from BBI said:


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David Newton
@DNewtonespn
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19m
Ron Rivera says the Redskins will bring in QBs Joe Burrow and Tua Tagavailoa. Says all options are on the table.



How awesome would it be if the Bengals took a QB, Washington took a QB and then either the Dolphins, Chargers or Panthers send a shitload to the Lions to take a third QB, leaving us with Chase Young.


Crazy shit happens so you never know.
RE: RE: Isaiah Simmons  
montanagiant : 2/26/2020 5:04 pm : link
In comment 14819586 The_Boss said:
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In comment 14819577 Big Rick in FL said:


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6'3 3/8
238 pounds
9 5/8 hands
33 3/8 arms
81 7/8 wingspan

Good start to the combine for him.



If he were 15 pounds heavier with the same expected explosiveness, I would sign off on him at 4 as an OLB.

Actually he only lacks 7 pounds to hit the avg weight of a LB in the NFL which is 245
When people say Simmons is a tweeter it isn't because of his size  
robbieballs2003 : 2/26/2020 5:10 pm : link
It is because he is a "LB" that isn't good inside the box. He plays more like a safety he's unique and needs to be in the right system to maximize what he does well. Asking him to play a traditional role probably isn't the best situation for him.
I don’t like Chaisson and I have a hard time thinking that  
yatqb : 2/26/2020 5:44 pm : link
if we trade down we won’t pick an OT.
RE: RE: 2 Takeaways  
section125 : 2/26/2020 6:02 pm : link
In comment 14819732 cokeduplt said:
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In comment 14819650 Biteymax22 said:


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1 - If Isiah Simmons weighed in at 238 knowing that number mattered I would guess he'll really play in the high 220's or right around 230 (gallon of water before weigh in likely)

2 - Derek Brown, and this doesn't effect play so is worthless, but does a 9" hand for a guy that size with arms that long seem weird? All 3 of those things go together typically.




A gallon of water doesn’t weigh 8 lbs


Correct, a gallon of fresh water weighs 8.33 lbs. Now salt waters weighs 8.55 lbs.
RE: When people say Simmons is a tweeter it isn't because of his size  
Nine-Tails : 2/26/2020 6:35 pm : link
In comment 14820195 robbieballs2003 said:
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It is because he is a "LB" that isn't good inside the box. He plays more like a safety he's unique and needs to be in the right system to maximize what he does well. Asking him to play a traditional role probably isn't the best situation for him.


Well going by Judge and Grahams comments and philosophy, he seems to be the guy we're looking for.
RE: Time to see  
bw in dc : 2/26/2020 9:51 pm : link
In comment 14820022 BigBlueCane said:
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how Becton fares in the interviews and drills. I think he and Simmons remain atop the the Giants list.


I'm getting the sense that this year's recipient of "player who drops the most" is Andrew Thomas. Just a month ago many were predicting him first OL off the board. Likely top 5 prospect.

I wouldn't be surprised now if he falls into the late teens. With Buffalo likely his firewall at #22.
Jedrick Wills is the real deal...  
Torrag : 2/26/2020 10:18 pm : link
I went into this thinking there wasn't an OT in this class worthy of a Top 5 pick but wanted to delve deeper. I've changed my mind.

He's big enough, strong enough, long enough, athletic enough, tough enough, has plus technical skills in both run and pass blocking. There are no deficiencies in his game. He's a smooth and natural mover. He's like an iceman out there. He just works his routine and wears you down. He has upside to his game and a high floor. He's both a better player than becton right now and the less risky choice.

I encourage you all to watch his game vs Auburn. Wills(#74) engages with Derrick Brown(#5) several times and looks good in their encounters. He was the best lineman on either side of the ball for either squad in that game and there was a lot of high quality NFL talent on the field that day.
Good video breakdown of Wills here including some Auburn clips - ( New Window )
RE: I don’t like Chaisson and I have a hard time thinking that  
Rjanyg : 2/26/2020 10:41 pm : link
In comment 14820223 yatqb said:
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if we trade down we won’t pick an OT.


Don’t just look at the stats. Chaisson is super young but smart and relentless. His upside is huge and he is a “ dog “ that many on here say they want in a LB.
RE: Jedrick Wills is the real deal...  
bw in dc : 2/26/2020 11:02 pm : link
In comment 14820440 Torrag said:
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I went into this thinking there wasn't an OT in this class worthy of a Top 5 pick but wanted to delve deeper. I've changed my mind.

He's big enough, strong enough, long enough, athletic enough, tough enough, has plus technical skills in both run and pass blocking. There are no deficiencies in his game. He's a smooth and natural mover. He's like an iceman out there. He just works his routine and wears you down. He has upside to his game and a high floor. He's both a better player than becton right now and the less risky choice.

I encourage you all to watch his game vs Auburn. Wills(#74) engages with Derrick Brown(#5) several times and looks good in their encounters. He was the best lineman on either side of the ball for either squad in that game and there was a lot of high quality NFL talent on the field that day. Good video breakdown of Wills here including some Auburn clips - ( New Window )


Do you know what impressed more in that video? The job Alabama RG Deonte Brown did battling DBrown. He's an interesting prospect for 2021.
Thanks for posting this  
montanagiant : 2/26/2020 11:22 pm : link
I have to admit that is some really good technique in all phases. I can't believe how quick his feet and hips are. I would be happy if he was our 1st pick
RE: Thanks for posting this  
montanagiant : 2/26/2020 11:22 pm : link
In comment 14820472 montanagiant said:
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I have to admit that is some really good technique in all phases. I can't believe how quick his feet and hips are. I would be happy if he was our 1st pick

That's in response to Eric's link on Wills
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