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Union to send CBA Vote to all Players

jvm52106 : 2/26/2020 8:36 am
and with the way the CBA is being proposed it should pass a general vote. The bottom half of the league gains the most with this new CBA.
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The 17 game Regular Season expansion will likely start in 2023  
Ben in Tampa : 2/26/2020 8:42 am : link
Which is when the new TV deals would go into effect.

I think the new TV deals will start to be negotiated the second the ink is dry on the New CBA.
That tells me....it will pass  
George from PA : 2/26/2020 8:43 am : link
As its a good deal for 1300 of 1700 players or so players.
RE: The 17 game Regular Season expansion will likely start in 2023  
shyster : 2/26/2020 8:48 am : link
In comment 14819413 Ben in Tampa said:
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Which is when the new TV deals would go into effect.


ESPN article says 2021 for 17 game season.

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The new CBA calls for a 17-game regular season, which is expected to begin in 2021

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TThis also opens the 17th  
jvm52106 : 2/26/2020 8:53 am : link
game as an option to a number of different outlets.

I read a report that said the 17th game will be a second Inter Conference game. Rotating the additional match up by division and matching teams by finishing place from prervious season.

So, if the NFC East plays the AFC East as part of the normal scheduling, then they would get one of the other divisions for the 17th game. Say that is the AFC North for example. The teams would be matched by where they finished within their divisions the season before. 1 vs 1, 2 vs 2 etc..
The resolution for player compensation for the 17th game  
shyster : 2/26/2020 9:04 am : link
for contracts in place appears to be an additional game check at the same amount as called for by contract, with no $250,000 cap as the owners had sought.

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The owners also agreed to eliminate the $250,000 cap on earnings for players when they get the extra game check for the 17-game season.



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Hmm, so if the 17th game comes before the new TV deals  
Ben in Tampa : 2/26/2020 9:39 am : link
Is the NFL going to bid out a package for the extra weekend? Or will they expect the networks to carry it under the terms of the existing deal?
RE: Hmm, so if the 17th game comes before the new TV deals  
jvm52106 : 2/26/2020 9:46 am : link
In comment 14819495 Ben in Tampa said:
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Is the NFL going to bid out a package for the extra weekend? Or will they expect the networks to carry it under the terms of the existing deal?


That is what I read. It could be an Amazon type deal or the like as well as other big players without games right now.
What are the chances of this  
section125 : 2/26/2020 9:50 am : link
be accepted/passed by the players?
RE: The resolution for player compensation for the 17th game  
mphbullet36 : 2/26/2020 9:54 am : link
In comment 14819454 shyster said:
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for contracts in place appears to be an additional game check at the same amount as called for by contract, with no $250,000 cap as the owners had sought.



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The owners also agreed to eliminate the $250,000 cap on earnings for players when they get the extra game check for the 17-game season.


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I felt that was always the biggest hurdle. The owners wouldn't be dumb enough to think the players would play for less then there agreed to paid check for an additional game. It was probably a negotiating tactic that the players say we want an additional full pay check and owners would easily give that back to maybe sneak something else in they didn't want to give up. Showing they are "working" with the players when they never expected them to play for a $250,000 cap...which is ridiculous.
I think it has a very good chance it will pass  
George from PA : 2/26/2020 9:55 am : link
It is a very good deal for 1300 or so players.....not so great for about the top 400 players.
any news about the 2nd bye...?  
mphbullet36 : 2/26/2020 9:56 am : link
I thought one of the main reasons for a 17 game schedule was to add a 2nd bye so that the superbowl would then be played on presidents weekend...which could easily be considered a future official work holiday since kids already have it off so the game stays on a sunday but almost everyone now will get Monday off.
RE: any news about the 2nd bye...?  
Mad Mike : 2/26/2020 10:09 am : link
In comment 14819523 mphbullet36 said:
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I thought one of the main reasons for a 17 game schedule was to add a 2nd bye so that the superbowl would then be played on presidents weekend...which could easily be considered a future official work holiday since kids already have it off so the game stays on a sunday but almost everyone now will get Monday off.

According to ESPN, there is no 2nd bye.
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mphbullet36 : 2/26/2020 10:13 am : link
In comment 14819535 Mad Mike said:
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In comment 14819523 mphbullet36 said:


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I thought one of the main reasons for a 17 game schedule was to add a 2nd bye so that the superbowl would then be played on presidents weekend...which could easily be considered a future official work holiday since kids already have it off so the game stays on a sunday but almost everyone now will get Monday off.


According to ESPN, there is no 2nd bye.


thats so odd, the season is tailor made to end on presidents weekend. Seems like a missed opportunity unless they plan on starting the year a week later...
Maybe somebody mentioned it in the thread but  
The_Boss : 2/26/2020 10:18 am : link
Doesn’t half the league get an unfair advantage with an extra home game?l
RE: Maybe somebody mentioned it in the thread but  
mphbullet36 : 2/26/2020 10:27 am : link
In comment 14819549 The_Boss said:
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Doesn’t half the league get an unfair advantage with an extra home game?l

I think it was proposed that one game would be a neutral sight type game where they might play at a college stadium or play out of the country.
If the 17th game is going to be an extra inter-conf game,  
Mad Mike : 2/26/2020 10:29 am : link
the fairest way to do it would have it be all NFC home games one year, all AFC the next, so the extra home game doesn't impact playoff standings (though further unbalancing the schedules obviously does). If not that, I assume they'll at least do it by division - not perfect since obviously playoff races aren't just within the division, but better than totally random.
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The_Boss : 2/26/2020 10:31 am : link
In comment 14819557 mphbullet36 said:
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In comment 14819549 The_Boss said:


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Doesn’t half the league get an unfair advantage with an extra home game?l


I think it was proposed that one game would be a neutral sight type game where they might play at a college stadium or play out of the country.


Ok that makes more sense. Thx.
RE: If the 17th game is going to be an extra inter-conf game,  
The_Boss : 2/26/2020 10:37 am : link
In comment 14819559 Mad Mike said:
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the fairest way to do it would have it be all NFC home games one year, all AFC the next, so the extra home game doesn't impact playoff standings (though further unbalancing the schedules obviously does). If not that, I assume they'll at least do it by division - not perfect since obviously playoff races aren't just within the division, but better than totally random.


So if this were the actual resolution, and I’m being facetious here, would it not be typical NYG luck where they’d be a playoff team in any other year but they got saddled with a road game in like KC while the team that got the playoff berth in their place had to go play at the Bengals?
RE: RE: The resolution for player compensation for the 17th game  
giants#1 : 2/26/2020 10:40 am : link
In comment 14819521 mphbullet36 said:
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for contracts in place appears to be an additional game check at the same amount as called for by contract, with no $250,000 cap as the owners had sought.



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The owners also agreed to eliminate the $250,000 cap on earnings for players when they get the extra game check for the 17-game season.


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I felt that was always the biggest hurdle. The owners wouldn't be dumb enough to think the players would play for less then there agreed to paid check for an additional game. It was probably a negotiating tactic that the players say we want an additional full pay check and owners would easily give that back to maybe sneak something else in they didn't want to give up. Showing they are "working" with the players when they never expected them to play for a $250,000 cap...which is ridiculous.


Doubt it's anything that convoluted. $250k game check means players earning a base salary >$4M which is only 264 players (16% of the league). Owners probably figured they could save a few million each by putting in a cap and that it wouldn't be a major sticking point since 84% of the league makes below that figure.
RE: RE: If the 17th game is going to be an extra inter-conf game,  
giants#1 : 2/26/2020 10:42 am : link
In comment 14819569 The_Boss said:
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In comment 14819559 Mad Mike said:


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the fairest way to do it would have it be all NFC home games one year, all AFC the next, so the extra home game doesn't impact playoff standings (though further unbalancing the schedules obviously does). If not that, I assume they'll at least do it by division - not perfect since obviously playoff races aren't just within the division, but better than totally random.



So if this were the actual resolution, and I’m being facetious here, would it not be typical NYG luck where they’d be a playoff team in any other year but they got saddled with a road game in like KC while the team that got the playoff berth in their place had to go play at the Bengals?


That would imply we made the postseason the prior season, so it's a major improvement from the last few seasons...
It makes sense for both sides to get this done now  
Chip : 2/26/2020 12:32 pm : link
and not to negotiate a TV deal with a strike pending.
So is the proposed schedule for the season to start a week earlier...  
Torrag : 2/26/2020 1:52 pm : link
by replacing the 4th pre season game?
Both Richard Sherman and Russell Okung  
gidiefor : Mod : 2/26/2020 3:55 pm : link
are running for President of the NFLPA and have indicated that they strongly oppose this agreement. The Current NFPLA President is retired and no longer in the NFL and thus can't run again.

I'm sure that a good part of the push here is to get this CBA done before Sherman or Okung get elected. The Election is in another couple of weeks.
Just say no to 17 games  
JonC : 2/26/2020 3:55 pm : link
stupid.
RE: So is the proposed schedule for the season to start a week earlier...  
OC2.0 : 2/26/2020 10:34 pm : link
In comment 14819906 Torrag said:
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by replacing the 4th pre season game?


Was wondering that myself
RE: Just say no to 17 games  
NYerInMA : 2/26/2020 10:38 pm : link
In comment 14820085 JonC said:
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stupid.


Agreed. It's just naked greed on the owners' part. No reason to go beyond 16 games or add more playoff teams. Don't fix what isn't broken.
RE: Just say no to 17 games  
bw in dc : 2/26/2020 11:28 pm : link
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stupid.


Amen. Why would lineman in particular want to play an extra three hours getting into car crashes is beyond me...

The NFLPA should just disband at this point.





RE: RE: Just say no to 17 games  
section125 : 2/27/2020 7:14 am : link
In comment 14820476 bw in dc said:
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stupid.



Amen. Why would lineman in particular want to play an extra three hours getting into car crashes is beyond me...

The NFLPA should just disband at this point.



I'm with you on the 17th game...however it is replacing the 4th preseason game (really the 3rd) so that is something. I'd rather a real game than a preseason one. At least the players will get paid for it.
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