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Roster Moves: Giants release Alec Ogletree and Kareem Martin

Burt64 : 2/26/2020 11:10 am
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There it is  
Anakim : 2/26/2020 11:11 am : link
As expected
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 2/26/2020 11:12 am : link
Frees up some $.
Expected  
The_Boss : 2/26/2020 11:12 am : link
Clearing more room to franchise LW and sign Clowney and Conklin.

😎
No brainer.  
VinegarPeppers : 2/26/2020 11:13 am : link
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is it a dick move  
Giantsfan79 : 2/26/2020 11:13 am : link
for the Giants not to release all their cuts at once? Why do it a few at a time?
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widmerseyebrow : 2/26/2020 11:14 am : link
Best move yet!  
Pete from Woodstock : 2/26/2020 11:14 am : link
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Best move yet!  
Pete from Woodstock : 2/26/2020 11:14 am : link
That’s fine.  
Big Blue '56 : 2/26/2020 11:15 am : link
At the time, it was a good trade for Ogletree, not far removed from pro bowl status. Imo.
RE: Expected  
Harvest Blend : 2/26/2020 11:15 am : link
In comment 14819614 The_Boss said:
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Clearing more room to franchise LW and sign Clowney and Conklin.

😎


Big hell no to Clowney from me.
clears what...  
Burt64 : 2/26/2020 11:15 am : link
roughly $13 - $14 million?
On the Gettleman GM Scorecard,  
Mr. Bungle : 2/26/2020 11:16 am : link
the Ogletree trade goes in the L column.
RE: is it a dick move  
BillT : 2/26/2020 11:18 am : link
In comment 14819620 Giantsfan79 said:
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for the Giants not to release all their cuts at once? Why do it a few at a time?

Ummmm…. No. Because they can and that's the way they want to do it.
we gave up nothing for Ogletree  
Chip : 2/26/2020 11:20 am : link
The 4th rounder is not on their team anymbore and the 6th rounder has rushed for 83 yards in two years.
RE: is it a dick move  
LBH15 : 2/26/2020 11:21 am : link
In comment 14819620 Giantsfan79 said:
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for the Giants not to release all their cuts at once? Why do it a few at a time?


Maybe Judge reviewed Ogletree's film just yesterday.
Good riddance.  
Dave in Hoboken : 2/26/2020 11:21 am : link
He was terrible here.
RE: On the Gettleman GM Scorecard,  
Rudy5757 : 2/26/2020 11:22 am : link
In comment 14819630 Mr. Bungle said:
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the Ogletree trade goes in the L column.


We got Ogletree and a 7th rd pick and gave up a 4th and 6th. I dont think it was a bad trade.
RE: we gave up nothing for Ogletree  
Jan in DC : 2/26/2020 11:22 am : link
In comment 14819636 Chip said:
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The 4th rounder is not on their team anymbore and the 6th rounder has rushed for 83 yards in two years.


Doesn't mean we would have picked those players.
RE: we gave up nothing for Ogletree  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 2/26/2020 11:24 am : link
In comment 14819636 Chip said:
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The 4th rounder is not on their team anymbore and the 6th rounder has rushed for 83 yards in two years.


Just wasted a bunch of crap room and future cap room. I wonder how much cap space we have in dead space from Olgeltree. Converting his salary into a bonus probably hurt.
Wouldn't expect a Clowney signing  
JonC : 2/26/2020 11:26 am : link
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With the recent roster moves...  
Tark10 : 2/26/2020 11:26 am : link
What is the current cap space total?
RE: RE: we gave up nothing for Ogletree  
AcidTest : 2/26/2020 11:27 am : link
In comment 14819645 Jan in DC said:
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In comment 14819636 Chip said:


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The 4th rounder is not on their team anymbore and the 6th rounder has rushed for 83 yards in two years.



Doesn't mean we would have picked those players.


^This. We also used our other fourth that year for Lauletta.
RE: RE: On the Gettleman GM Scorecard,  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 2/26/2020 11:27 am : link
In comment 14819643 Rudy5757 said:
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In comment 14819630 Mr. Bungle said:


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the Ogletree trade goes in the L column.



We got Ogletree and a 7th rd pick and gave up a 4th and 6th. I dont think it was a bad trade.


It was because of 2 reasons:

A) He was terrible the year before in a 3/4 defense and we brought him into another 3-4 defense. He played his best in a 4-3 (I know most teams are multiple so please spare me)

B) His salary was pretty big and could have been used for other players that would have made the team better all around. He basically made our team older and gave us less cap space.
gave up draft picks  
Enzo : 2/26/2020 11:30 am : link
for a declining player with a big cap hit and now we have dead money this coming season. Nice one Dave!
RE: we gave up nothing for Ogletree  
Enzo : 2/26/2020 11:30 am : link
In comment 14819636 Chip said:
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The 4th rounder is not on their team anymbore and the 6th rounder has rushed for 83 yards in two years.

so if we gave up the #1 pick in the draft but the guy ended up a bust - we still gave up nothing? WTF?
RE: RE: is it a dick move  
Anakim : 2/26/2020 11:34 am : link
In comment 14819634 BillT said:
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In comment 14819620 Giantsfan79 said:


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for the Giants not to release all their cuts at once? Why do it a few at a time?


Ummmm…. No. Because they can and that's the way they want to do it.



Also, we're still in the roster evaluation portion of the offseason. Judge and the coaching staff are new. Perhaps they want to keep guys like Ellison and Bethea. Unlikely, but possible.
Love it.  
BigBlue2112 : 2/26/2020 11:34 am : link
Coach Judge: "You don’t sign older players to change the culture. That’s our job.”
RE: Wouldn't expect a Clowney signing  
90.Cal : 2/26/2020 11:34 am : link
In comment 14819653 JonC said:
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Can you shoutout a move/target that is expected?
Too early  
JonC : 2/26/2020 11:35 am : link
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RE: gave up draft picks  
jcn56 : 2/26/2020 11:35 am : link
In comment 14819658 Enzo said:
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for a declining player with a big cap hit and now we have dead money this coming season. Nice one Dave!


People talk about irrational negativity then walk right past people trying to put lipstick on this pig. They traded a pick for a guy likely to be cut for the right to pay him a lot of money to stink. At the time it didn't look good, with time it only looks worse.
I'd be surprised if Bethea is retained  
JonC : 2/26/2020 11:36 am : link
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Will give DG a pass for Martin though  
jcn56 : 2/26/2020 11:37 am : link
all logic points towards that being a Bettcher signing.
RE: RE: gave up draft picks  
JonC : 2/26/2020 11:37 am : link
In comment 14819670 jcn56 said:
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In comment 14819658 Enzo said:


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for a declining player with a big cap hit and now we have dead money this coming season. Nice one Dave!



People talk about irrational negativity then walk right past people trying to put lipstick on this pig. They traded a pick for a guy likely to be cut for the right to pay him a lot of money to stink. At the time it didn't look good, with time it only looks worse.


Correct, imv. AO had age on his side but his performance was not ascending, and it was likely he would've been cut.
Frees $13 million  
djstat : 2/26/2020 11:38 am : link
In cap space. OTC has us at $73 Million in cap space
good  
Producer : 2/26/2020 11:38 am : link
cut our losses. let's get cheaper and better..
Actually...  
Dnew15 : 2/26/2020 11:38 am : link
if I heard this correctly, it would be a dick move to keep players on the roster that are not part of the plan for next year.

Players want to be released at this point so that they and/or their agent can get to the combine to start rubbing elbows with team management for their next shot at employment.

RE: RE: On the Gettleman GM Scorecard,  
Mr. Bungle : 2/26/2020 11:39 am : link
In comment 14819643 Rudy5757 said:
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In comment 14819630 Mr. Bungle said:


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the Ogletree trade goes in the L column.



We got Ogletree and a 7th rd pick and gave up a 4th and 6th. I dont think it was a bad trade.

The Giants got nothing out of Ogletree. That's a bad trade.
It was a reasonable gamble at the time  
Reale01 : 2/26/2020 11:39 am : link
We had ZERO LBs. He made some plays his first year. How can people say we are stupid in trading but would have made a great pick in round 4.
RE: Love it.  
Tesla : 2/26/2020 11:40 am : link
In comment 14819665 BigBlue2112 said:
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Coach Judge: "You don’t sign older players to change the culture. That’s our job.”


This is pretty clearly in direct contradiction to Gettleman. E.g. the Jonathan Stewart signing, Antoine Bethea, and saying he was keeping Jenkins around to teach the young CB's.

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But when asked about Jenkins during his post-Draft press conference, GM Dave Gettleman said Jenkins isn't moving because he has some training to do.

Literally.

"Janoris has a bunch of puppies he's got to train," Gettleman told reporters.
Hopefully  
Jay on the Island : 2/26/2020 11:41 am : link
Bethea, Ellison, and Pulley are next.
Good start.  
Chris684 : 2/26/2020 11:42 am : link
Should be more to come.
THANK YOU  
BobsYourUncle : 2/26/2020 11:45 am : link
Coach Judge...
RE: RE: Love it.  
AcidTest : 2/26/2020 11:46 am : link
In comment 14819682 Tesla said:
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In comment 14819665 BigBlue2112 said:


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Coach Judge: "You don’t sign older players to change the culture. That’s our job.”



This is pretty clearly in direct contradiction to Gettleman. E.g. the Jonathan Stewart signing, Antoine Bethea, and saying he was keeping Jenkins around to teach the young CB's.



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But when asked about Jenkins during his post-Draft press conference, GM Dave Gettleman said Jenkins isn't moving because he has some training to do.

Literally.

"Janoris has a bunch of puppies he's got to train," Gettleman told reporters.



Agreed.
RE: That’s fine.  
GiantsFan84 : 2/26/2020 11:48 am : link
In comment 14819625 Big Blue '56 said:
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At the time, it was a good trade for Ogletree, not far removed from pro bowl status. Imo.


no it wasn't
Thanks, Judge.  
Dave in Hoboken : 2/26/2020 11:49 am : link
Let's start fixing this mess.
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New York Giants have officially terminated the contracts of linebackers Alec Ogletree and Kareem Martin. The moves create an additional $13.05 million in cap space ($8.25 million by cutting Ogletree and $4.8 million by cutting Martin).
DG bought very high on AO  
JonC : 2/26/2020 11:49 am : link
when he was likely bidding against himself. It felt like a desperate move for a new GM, one of many he's made.
Hallelujah  
JoeyBigBlue : 2/26/2020 11:52 am : link
Been waiting for these cuts since the beginning of the month. Sucks these 2 guys lost their job, but it gives them an opportunity to catch on with another team in Free Agency.
I find it a bit puzzling that Bethea wasn't cut at the same time.  
yatqb : 2/26/2020 11:53 am : link
He certainly looks washed up.
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