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NFT: Knicks: Leon Rose expected to be official sunday

nygiants16 : 2/26/2020 11:56 am
according to berman of the post..

Frank out with a groin injury..
apparently  
Enzo : 2/26/2020 12:00 pm : link
RJ is actually right-handed. WTF?
The knicks knew they would suck..  
Italianju : 2/26/2020 12:03 pm : link
so they are forcing RJ to use his offhand all season. Next year he is going to be a best when he goes back to his dominant hand!!

But seriously he cant be right handed.
RE: The knicks knew they would suck..  
nygiants16 : 2/26/2020 12:03 pm : link
In comment 14819712 Italianju said:
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so they are forcing RJ to use his offhand all season. Next year he is going to be a best when he goes back to his dominant hand!!

But seriously he cant be right handed.


he said he is right handed and has better form, but more comfortable with his left
If Leon feeds us the usual  
bceagle05 : 2/26/2020 12:35 pm : link
"mecca of basketball," "iconic franchise," "greatest city in the world" nonsense I'm gonna strangle someone. Hopefully he has a sensible plan to build an NBA roster.
This franchise brags about player development  
bceagle05 : 2/26/2020 1:15 pm : link
and doesn't even have a damn shooting coach. Though no shooting coach is better than Keith Smart, so there was an in-season upgrade.

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Marc Berman @NYPost_Berman

With Keith Smart getting the boot with Fizdale, the Knicks don't have a real shooting coach. RJ Barrett said he spoke in recent days with Allan Houston about shooting.
player development  
djm : 2/26/2020 1:29 pm : link
that's funny.
He has better form the right?  
Eli Wilson : 2/26/2020 1:46 pm : link
Makes sense.

Why hasn't anyone tried to change him back to righty?
I thought you all were joking about Barrett bring a righty  
The_Boss : 2/26/2020 2:39 pm : link
But I just read it in the Post.

You really can’t make it up with this franchise.
RE: I thought you all were joking about Barrett bring a righty  
The_Boss : 2/26/2020 2:40 pm : link
In comment 14819977 The_Boss said:
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But I just read it in the Post.

You really can’t make it up with this franchise.


** being ** a righty
RE: He has better form the right?  
steve in ky : 2/26/2020 3:19 pm : link
In comment 14819890 Eli Wilson said:
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Makes sense.

Why hasn't anyone tried to change him back to righty?


He's ambidextrous and always shot from his left. Can you imagine the criticism the Knicks would have gotten if they drafted him and immediately forced him to change the hand he shoots from?

RE: RE: He has better form the right?  
Eli Wilson : 2/26/2020 4:45 pm : link
In comment 14820039 steve in ky said:
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In comment 14819890 Eli Wilson said:


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Makes sense.

Why hasn't anyone tried to change him back to righty?



He's ambidextrous and always shot from his left. Can you imagine the criticism the Knicks would have gotten if they drafted him and immediately forced him to change the hand he shoots from?


True - but some of his shots legit look like someone who is right-handed and shooting lefty. Looks uncomfortable.
I’ll just pretend Taj Gibson  
bceagle05 : 2/26/2020 7:22 pm : link
isn’t our best player.
Barrett  
nygiants16 : 2/26/2020 7:27 pm : link
either he needs to learn how to play off the ball, or he needs to play point guard..
Might have to skip the rest of this one.  
bceagle05 : 2/26/2020 7:28 pm : link
RJ barely touching the ball because Randle, Taj ant Payton are launching every shot. Unwatchable.
i still think smith  
nygiants16 : 2/26/2020 7:35 pm : link
with good coaching can be a good player
RE: Barrett  
BigBlueShock : 2/26/2020 7:43 pm : link
In comment 14820314 nygiants16 said:
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either he needs to learn how to play off the ball, or he needs to play point guard..

If by saying he needs to learn how to play off the ball, you actually mean that he needs to somehow get a bunch of selfish players to actually give up the ball to him, then yes, I agree
RE: RE: Barrett  
nygiants16 : 2/26/2020 7:46 pm : link
In comment 14820326 BigBlueShock said:
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In comment 14820314 nygiants16 said:


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either he needs to learn how to play off the ball, or he needs to play point guard..


If by saying he needs to learn how to play off the ball, you actually mean that he needs to somehow get a bunch of selfish players to actually give up the ball to him, then yes, I agree


no i mean if you want a point guard to run an offense, he has to learn to either shoot or move without the ball..

People hate payton, but it is going to be the same thing with any ppint guard..

Brandon ingram struggled playing next to lebron james and he is the best distributor in the nba..

If you need the ball in your hands to be effective you better be a point guard
I think I am officially tired of watching  
GiantsUA : 2/26/2020 8:57 pm : link
Know.

Needs to play a complete game
.  
GiantsUA : 2/26/2020 9:02 pm : link
Knox

That is, damn autocorrect
Knicks making a game of it  
Del Shofner : 2/26/2020 9:12 pm : link
against the horrible Hornets, lol.
Checked back in with 10 minutes to go  
bceagle05 : 2/26/2020 9:13 pm : link
and see Trier getting one bucket after another. So weird.
Rozier with a circus shot to likely seal it.  
bceagle05 : 2/26/2020 9:19 pm : link
Looks like a solid tank loss. On to Philly tomorrow.
as other BBIers have pointed out,  
Del Shofner : 2/26/2020 10:24 pm : link
the basketball IQ of this Knicks team is below zero.

But for stupid turnovers and stupid fouls, they'd have won.

But that's this team.
I wonder if when rose takes over sunday  
nygiants16 : 2/26/2020 10:40 pm : link
we start to see a shift to the young guys playing more..

Miller said Perry and him set the rotation for each game, are you kidding me?
No Embiid or Simmons tonight in Philly.  
bceagle05 : 2/27/2020 4:53 pm : link
They probably still have enough to beat us.
This has to be a joke now  
nygiants16 : 2/27/2020 6:23 pm : link
Portis starting at center with gibson questionable..

You are joking me right?
Perry trolling us at this point.  
bceagle05 : 2/27/2020 6:38 pm : link
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It is hard to blame miller  
nygiants16 : 2/27/2020 7:27 pm : link
i dont think he has any power, just hope when rose takes over the edict changes and just play young kids
Randle posting up  
ghost718 : 2/27/2020 7:31 pm : link
looks like someone with a Yo-yo in his hand

That is,someone who can't yo-yo
and i dont think trier is anything special  
nygiants16 : 2/27/2020 7:31 pm : link
but he could be instant offense off the bench, why not give him minutes tonight, reward him

and what miller said about him last night was wrong
Down 18 now.  
bceagle05 : 2/27/2020 7:56 pm : link
I wonder how much money it took to sway Leon Rose?
RE: Down 18 now.  
nygiants16 : 2/27/2020 7:58 pm : link
In comment 14821368 bceagle05 said:
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I wonder how much money it took to sway Leon Rose?


he is taking a pay cut, anything he makes he is not making nearly the same he did as an agent
Old Man Horford  
bceagle05 : 2/27/2020 8:47 pm : link
raining threes on our heads.
Mitch still a dumbass.  
bceagle05 : 2/27/2020 9:07 pm : link
No awareness of team defense. Kinda tired of him, too.
Rose is not coming in for a slow rebuild  
nygiants16 : 2/27/2020 9:55 pm : link
I dont know who the star is yet, but he is going to trade for one..
Trade everyone and anyone.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 2/27/2020 10:15 pm : link
No one should be safe. What a mess.
The two  
Jon in NYC : 2/27/2020 10:34 pm : link
guys I really want in the draft are Haliburton and Avdija.
Amazing how collectively bad this team is at shooting free throws  
steve in ky : 2/27/2020 10:39 pm : link
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RE: Trade everyone and anyone.  
bceagle05 : 2/27/2020 10:54 pm : link
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No one should be safe. What a mess.

Agreed. We're kidding ourselves if we think any of these guys can start on a playoff team down the road. Outside chance RJ could, because he'll work his ass off. Everyone else is a liability. Marcus Morris was the only starting caliber player on this year's roster.
RE: Rose is not coming in for a slow rebuild  
Greg from LI : 2/28/2020 9:12 am : link
In comment 14821473 nygiants16 said:
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I dont know who the star is yet, but he is going to trade for one..


Yeah? With what? No one is giving up a star for Knicks castoffs.
RE: RE: Rose is not coming in for a slow rebuild  
nygiants16 : 2/28/2020 9:16 am : link
In comment 14821702 Greg from LI said:
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I dont know who the star is yet, but he is going to trade for one..



Yeah? With what? No one is giving up a star for Knicks castoffs.


Knicks have a ton of draft capitol and teams blowing up their team will trade for draft picks..

they also have cap space, which allows them to also take on a bad contract, which also helps the other team blowing up their team..

As much as we all hate knox and frank, teams will still take a risk on them, not as the main piece of a trade by any means, but they have value as low risk high reward assets...

I'm more concerned with sensible roster construction  
bceagle05 : 2/28/2020 10:22 am : link
than I am with big names, though I'd happily take both. Randle and Robinson don't fit together, Randle and RJ don't fit together, Randle and everyone don't fit together, RJ and LaMelo Ball (hypothetically) don't fit well together. Will Leon Rose be smart enough to understand that and make changes, even if it means trading guys like Mitch and RJ? If not, we'll keep languishing.
RE: I'm more concerned with sensible roster construction  
nygiants16 : 2/28/2020 10:32 am : link
In comment 14821793 bceagle05 said:
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than I am with big names, though I'd happily take both. Randle and Robinson don't fit together, Randle and RJ don't fit together, Randle and everyone don't fit together, RJ and LaMelo Ball (hypothetically) don't fit well together. Will Leon Rose be smart enough to understand that and make changes, even if it means trading guys like Mitch and RJ? If not, we'll keep languishing.


add fricken shooters, you have no chance in the nba playing in the paint with no shooters
Yeah, I'm all for adding as many shooters as possible.  
bceagle05 : 2/28/2020 10:40 am : link
It's a weak free agent class, but it has plenty of shooting - Gallo/Harris/Morris/Bertans/etc. - I'm very much in favor of giving one of those guys a multi-year deal, though none are "stars." We're one of the few teams with a lot of space this summer - might as well take advantage.

The Clippers pick may be a good spot to add a shooter, too - even if a slight trade-up is required.

Guys like Hield and Markkanen may be available via trade - that should also be explored, even if Mitch or RJ have to be sacrificed.

I'm fine with drafting a PG in the top 10 and surrounding him with 3-4 three-point shooters. Play D'Antoni ball for all I care. Just make some shots.
There's a lot of guys with warts in the NBA  
Jan in DC : 2/28/2020 10:55 am : link
Mitch still has strong skills. A rim running 5 who can block shots and is efficient without getting a lot of touches.

You don't have to throw out every player with frustrating tendencies. Coach him up, and get a bunch of ball dominate people who aren't afraid of shooting.
.  
Anakim : 2/28/2020 2:47 pm : link
2019 draft (RJ Barrett): Ja Morant

2017 draft (Ntilikina): Lauri Markkanen

2014 draft (C. Early): Joe Harris

2011 (Iman Shumpert): Nikola Vucevic

2009 (Jordan Hill): Steph Curry

2008 (Gallinari): Kevin Love
Man that draft list is depressing.  
bceagle05 : 2/28/2020 3:57 pm : link
But hey at least we have KP to build with! Oh wait...
RE: .  
Anakim : 2/28/2020 4:00 pm : link
In comment 14822180 Anakim said:
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2019 draft (RJ Barrett): Ja Morant

2017 draft (Ntilikina): Lauri Markkanen

2014 draft (C. Early): Joe Harris

2011 (Iman Shumpert): Nikola Vucevic

2009 (Jordan Hill): Steph Curry

2008 (Gallinari): Kevin Love


The guys in parenthesis are Knicks picks and the guys afterwards are guys taken right before Knicks picks
Stopped watching  
TyreeHelmet : 2/28/2020 4:20 pm : link
Probably about a month ago. Can't say I miss it. The team is horrible to watch and its not like they are trotting out all young guys who are experiencing growing pains. They are just simply a bad team.

I really hope Rose can turn it around. I have my doubts though and its a serious tall task. I just wish they could get back to being relevant and in the playoff hunt.
Season  
TyreeHelmet : 2/28/2020 4:41 pm : link
Going into this season the main things I wanted to see were-

1) Growth from DSJ/ Knox/ Frank where they became effective starters. If anything these guys have regressed.

2) Star flashes from Barrett. He's had some good games but he's really struggled at times and gives you plenty of worry.

3) Robinson taking the next step and becoming full time starter. Unfortunately this hasn't happened either although I'm still very high on him.

4) Smart trades/ pickups to add picks and assets. The Morris trade was solid but not exactly a grand slam. No other moves on this front or "finds" from young guys.

This season couldn't have gone much worse for the Knicks...
RE: Stopped watching  
Del Shofner : 2/28/2020 4:46 pm : link
In comment 14822240 TyreeHelmet said:
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Probably about a month ago. Can't say I miss it. The team is horrible to watch and its not like they are trotting out all young guys who are experiencing growing pains. They are just simply a bad team.


Yeah, same here as to stopping watching about a month ago. I'm the biggest sucker for the Knicks that there is (been following them since the Howard Komives days, when they were also pretty bad), but it's just not enjoyable to watch such a bad team.
Most nights I check in at tip-off to see what suit Clyde is wearing.  
bceagle05 : 2/28/2020 5:01 pm : link
Knicks social media has even ruined that suspense by posting pictures/video of him ahead of time. Otherwise I check in for a couple of minutes in the first half, and a couple of minutes in the second half. This isn't the worst position the Knicks have been in over the past 20 years, but it feels like fans as more miserable than ever. Cumulative effect I guess.
now, the Rangers, ironically, are a completely different story -  
Del Shofner : 2/28/2020 5:11 pm : link
they are a team on the rise and extremely fun to watch this year. Even when they were losing earlier in the year, they were at least enjoyable, and now they're winning...
i am not one to say  
nygiants16 : 2/28/2020 5:29 pm : link
play the young guys at all costs but at this point why even bother with the vets on 1 year deals? i understand randle playing..

But why is Mitch not starting? why is ellington getting minutes over trier?

Knicks do not have any young superstars by any means but at this point just play the kids..
and the crazy thing is  
nygiants16 : 2/28/2020 5:31 pm : link
the team is probably as healthy as it has ever been, 2 young players that you can say have potential..

A ton of cap flexibility and a lot of draft capitol, yet it feels like everything is miserable right now..
The NY press is reporting that Rose is considering bringing Melo back  
GeofromNJ : 3/1/2020 1:56 pm : link
for the 20-21 season. If true, I would rank hiring Rose right up there with the lunacy of hiring Isaiah Thomas and Phil Jackson. Put the ball in Anthony's hands and the offense comes to a screeching halt while he fights to get off his jump shot, even if it means hearing the buzzer. If the goal is to coach young players to share the ball and hit the open man, there is no way Carmelo Anthony should be within 1000 miles of this roster.
RE: The NY press is reporting that Rose is considering bringing Melo back  
Ira : 3/1/2020 6:41 pm : link
In comment 14823640 GeofromNJ said:
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for the 20-21 season. If true, I would rank hiring Rose right up there with the lunacy of hiring Isaiah Thomas and Phil Jackson. Put the ball in Anthony's hands and the offense comes to a screeching halt while he fights to get off his jump shot, even if it means hearing the buzzer. If the goal is to coach young players to share the ball and hit the open man, there is no way Carmelo Anthony should be within 1000 miles of this roster.


Agreed.
and fans wonder why stars dont want to come to the knicks  
nygiants16 : 3/1/2020 7:52 pm : link
signing melo to a minimum deal makes rose like isiah thomas and phil jackson? seriously..

Melo is not signing here unless the knicks add a star player, he is not coming here if it is just kids..

People call melo selfish when he was on the knicks, what player did the knicks have equal or better than him?
RE: and fans wonder why stars dont want to come to the knicks  
BigBlueShock : 3/1/2020 8:00 pm : link
In comment 14823874 nygiants16 said:
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signing melo to a minimum deal makes rose like isiah thomas and phil jackson? seriously..

Melo is not signing here unless the knicks add a star player, he is not coming here if it is just kids..

People call melo selfish when he was on the knicks, what player did the knicks have equal or better than him?

Exactly. The guy hasn’t even been officially announced yet and he’s already being called Isaiah and Phil by the mouth breathers. Unbelievable.

Example #1000000000 why NY sports fans absolutely suck
There is absolutely no reason to bring Melo back. None.  
Jim in Hoboken : 3/1/2020 9:01 pm : link
Has the Blazers played better after adding Melo? I am not a Melo basher and always complained that he didn't get the calls he deserved as a star while with the Knicks. However, adding Melo to whatever iteration of Knicks next year makes zero sense. Probably nothing to get worked up about though.
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