Apologies if this is a repeat, but was really struck by this blurb one of the beats posted on Twitter:
“You don’t sign older players to coach the younger players. You don’t sign older players to change the culture. That’s our job.”
In my view that seemed part of the motivation from a number of signings over the previous two off seasons. Supported by Gettleman's quotes re: Jenkins, Omameh, and Stewart.
I get the motivation, but always disagreed with the angle.
I'm really getting excited about Judge's philosophy.
That is the QB coach's job.
They can set a good example for younger guys.
Doesn't mean they are teaching them how to play football.
We all know FB teams need leadership.
That is the QB coach's job.
Yup. And it's the right take.
It takes a lot to give DG the benefit of the doubt, but maybe it's not such a direct rebuke at all. Maybe DG had shaky trust in Shurmur's staff from the very beginning and was trying to supplement it with more veteran presence. And clearly DG prioritized culture in his housecleaning, so he may have felt that he needed some pillars in the locker room to achieve that.
Clearly, Judge is saying that he doesn't believe it that philosophy and doesn't want it to continue, but it's possible that DG has enough confidence in Judge (compared to Shurmur) that it's not really a matter of calling out DG for what he did during Shurmur's time.
Phew, that was exhausting to try to be fair to DG.
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but have to admit I'm a bit shocked by such a direct rebuke of Gettleman here.
It takes a lot to give DG the benefit of the doubt, but maybe it's not such a direct rebuke at all. Maybe DG had shaky trust in Shurmur's staff from the very beginning and was trying to supplement it with more veteran presence. And clearly DG prioritized culture in his housecleaning, so he may have felt that he needed some pillars in the locker room to achieve that.
Clearly, Judge is saying that he doesn't believe it that philosophy and doesn't want it to continue, but it's possible that DG has enough confidence in Judge (compared to Shurmur) that it's not really a matter of calling out DG for what he did during Shurmur's time.
Phew, that was exhausting to try to be fair to DG.
Pretty impressed by that, actually.
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but have to admit I'm a bit shocked by such a direct rebuke of Gettleman here.
It takes a lot to give DG the benefit of the doubt, but maybe it's not such a direct rebuke at all. Maybe DG had shaky trust in Shurmur's staff from the very beginning and was trying to supplement it with more veteran presence. And clearly DG prioritized culture in his housecleaning, so he may have felt that he needed some pillars in the locker room to achieve that.
Clearly, Judge is saying that he doesn't believe it that philosophy and doesn't want it to continue, but it's possible that DG has enough confidence in Judge (compared to Shurmur) that it's not really a matter of calling out DG for what he did during Shurmur's time.
Phew, that was exhausting to try to be fair to DG.
LOL...You did good GD!
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but have to admit I'm a bit shocked by such a direct rebuke of Gettleman here.
It takes a lot to give DG the benefit of the doubt, but maybe it's not such a direct rebuke at all. Maybe DG had shaky trust in Shurmur's staff from the very beginning and was trying to supplement it with more veteran presence. And clearly DG prioritized culture in his housecleaning, so he may have felt that he needed some pillars in the locker room to achieve that.
Clearly, Judge is saying that he doesn't believe it that philosophy and doesn't want it to continue, but it's possible that DG has enough confidence in Judge (compared to Shurmur) that it's not really a matter of calling out DG for what he did during Shurmur's time.
Phew, that was exhausting to try to be fair to DG.
LOL...You did good GD!
+2, very reasonable take
If the impetus was that Shurmur sucked, and the signings were a vote of no confidence from before the first organized team activity, that is insane.
Now, as for getting players in to mentor. I can see the Gettleman angle. There are times you want to bring in a veteran to help in the locker room and help show the young players how to be a professional. That makes sense. What doesn't make sense is if they are done and can't play anymore. Stewart was toast before he got hurt. Bethea not much better.
Remember, Judge comes from the Belichick/Saban coaching tree. Belichick comes from Parcells. One of the things Parcells and Belichick did very well was identify veterans who were on their last legs/castoffs, but they still had a specific skill or ability that would fit a scheme to help the team win. When Parcells really started to make the team his own in 1984, he got rid of a number of veterans (and we know that drugs were a big part of it), but he went with one of the youngest teams in the NFL to build up the team his way, but he still had veterans on his team to help get the message across (George Martin/Harry Carson). But those guys could still play at a high level.
After 1985, when Parcells established himself and his culture, he started filling in with seeming castoff veterans who would step up and find ways to win. OJ Anderson, Johnie Cooks, Steve DeOssie, Everson Walls, Dave Duerson, etc. They were able to still have a talent that when used properly could help win games. Judge in his press conference said something similar about that and how the coaches are the ones who need to teach and identify what a guy can do to help win.
I think this is great from Judge. This is the type of accountability we are looking for out of our head coach. Now let's see if it translates to wins, but so far, so good.
Now, as for getting players in to mentor. I can see the Gettleman angle. There are times you want to bring in a veteran to help in the locker room and help show the young players how to be a professional. That makes sense. What doesn't make sense is if they are done and can't play anymore. Stewart was toast before he got hurt. Bethea not much better.
Remember, Judge comes from the Belichick/Saban coaching tree. Belichick comes from Parcells. One of the things Parcells and Belichick did very well was identify veterans who were on their last legs/castoffs, but they still had a specific skill or ability that would fit a scheme to help the team win. When Parcells really started to make the team his own in 1984, he got rid of a number of veterans (and we know that drugs were a big part of it), but he went with one of the youngest teams in the NFL to build up the team his way, but he still had veterans on his team to help get the message across (George Martin/Harry Carson). But those guys could still play at a high level.
After 1985, when Parcells established himself and his culture, he started filling in with seeming castoff veterans who would step up and find ways to win. OJ Anderson, Johnie Cooks, Steve DeOssie, Everson Walls, Dave Duerson, etc. They were able to still have a talent that when used properly could help win games. Judge in his press conference said something similar about that and how the coaches are the ones who need to teach and identify what a guy can do to help win.
I think this is great from Judge. This is the type of accountability we are looking for out of our head coach. Now let's see if it translates to wins, but so far, so good.
Everson Walls was, on paper, a Bethea. And I hated giving up premium picks for OJ, at least we didn't give that up with Stewart. What a difference.
I don't think anyone is saying that. The fascinating part is Gettleman literally affixed coaching and mentoring to vets. He said it with Jenkins and Stewart explicitly.
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Judge didn’t say that he doesn’t care about the room or that he doesn’t see the benefit of adding a vet that can promote great culture. He’s saying that that is not the reason you sign a guy. You sign someone because they can be a difference maker on the field but don’t think veteran presence/ culture alignment is something that Judge is going to eliminate from his interview process.
I don't think anyone is saying that. The fascinating part is Gettleman literally affixed coaching and mentoring to vets. He said it with Jenkins and Stewart explicitly.
In fairness, don’t most GMs?
In fairness, don’t most GMs?
I was struck by how explicit Gettleman was with Jenkins and the group of young corners.
Especially knowing Jenkins had a less than stellar work ethic, had been suspended for a game, and in the end was cut for being a weenie.
Considering the player and the directness, no, I don't believe most the GMs do that.