This was re-posted by a friend of mine who says it is from a close friend's friend living in China. That's all I can say about its authenticity. It's a pretty terrifying account if true:
A friend of mine in Asia has apparently contracted the coronavirus. While I have not seen him in a couple of years, I pass along to all of you his desperate posting. Please take heed:
“For the safety of my friends and family and my love of God, I’d like to let everyone know that I believe I’ve contracted the Coronavirus. I may have gotten a bad dose cuz I’m in pretty bad shape. I would like to tell everyone with the little energy I have what this is like for ur protection.
Don’t believe the media, I was absolutely fine, wearing face mask and disinfecting, and as if from nowhere I almost fainted on the street. I went home and in less than 24 hours I was having horrible respiratory problems and have had 3 mild to medium to almost complete respiratory failures so far. The muscle pain are concentrated in the sternum and feel like sudden heart attacks. Also sitting in a position that puts any weight on the area where your lungs feel strained will cause a feeling like your lungs are locked in place.
I haven’t developed a cough, I had nausea and upset stomach, no sore throat and no fever. In the next 48 hours I developed a fever that goes and comes like lightning. Cold air causes respiratory distress BIG TIME, sleeping agents cause respiratory failure so stay away from Tylenol PM or things to help you sleep. When you are weak, the sleeping agent causes a feeling like you’re about to fall into a coma.
Chopping up onions, what sounds like a dumb home remedy, has actually given some relief. Maybe the acidic elements in the onion help, whatever, I’m breathing a little better, not overthinking it.
It SNEAKS UP ON YOU! That’s my most important warning, pay attention to your body, don’t dismiss any small feeling, it’s sudden. I saw pictures of people in wuhan fainting and thought that those were some ignorant people to go outside when they knew they’re sick. I saw a nurse suddenly collapse and thought well why did she come into work?? No. No no no. It sneaks up on you and you have absolutely no idea how the heck you’re suddenly laying on the floor.
I’m in a stage now where I’m fighting to keep myself breathing. Hospitals are turning people away if they didn’t have contact with a Chinese person first. The numbers we are seeing are impossible to be accurate. No way in hell! If the governments are only testing a select few, then how can people like me who are out there be counted in that number? My neighbor’s kid sounds like he’s going to die from the coughing.
Most important for me is I’m not scared in the spiritual sense. I know who’s got my back and I’m good. I want to take a moment to implore those of you who aren’t quite sure of your own convictions to take a moment and reflect on them, because whatever this thing is feels like more than what we are being told. I was holed up in my apartment for almost a month, ordering from the local market which left the food outside my door, and I left once and caught it. The one time I left there were sick people everywhere, literally like a movie. Please, if you ever had any wonder about your life and the possibility That God exists, now may be the time to think about it and ask Him to speak to you and see if you hear something back i can guarantee you will. This will explode soon and your story might be like mine, thinking no way will I catch it, and then you’ve got it... and it’s worse than you imagined.
Last thing, my mom said “I see now how the elderly are dying from this.” I’m sorry to say yes, please watch over your elders. I’m moving around, fighting with all my heart to keep myself from losing consciousness or from respiratory failure. Every time I feel my lungs lock up, I do everything, pace around the room, lay on the floor, get back up, everything so I can to catch my breath again... I have no idea how an older person will be able to do all that if they catch this. Don’t wait too long to bring them in. God bless everyone. If I feel this might get me in trouble with the government I’ll take my FB down.”
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for the Coronavirus have a political agenda/leaning?
Gee, I wonder!?
Yeah...probably. The Chinese leadership certainly had one when they suppressed information about the virus. Maybe planning for something in advance is better than trying to catch up from behind.
I certainly feel safe in the hands of a manchild
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She says she's fine and doesn't even know anyone with the virus. Although everyone is walking around with face masks. She was out of the country when it hit and they kept her in Taiwan until it was deemed safe to come back. Which was two weeks ago. She's back and fine.
BTW, if you look at the mortality rates and track it in line with Ebola, SARS, Swine Flu and MERS, it's tracking a little hire than Swine Flu at the same point in time. It's not even in the same galaxy as Ebola. And it's tracking significantly under SARS.
This is being blown way out of proportion. And FMIC has nailed the OP dead to rights.
no FMIC has not and you comparing this virus to Ebola is utterly moronic. The issue with this virus are transmission and infection rates not mortality rates vis a vis Ebola. Ebola is hard to catch, needs to be blood exchange generally, and expresses itself quickly and dramatically. This virus appears to be easy to catch, possibly easier than seasonal flu but with potentially 20x the mortality of seasonal flu.
He specifically said that he was walking about mortality rates in his comparison.
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She says she's fine and doesn't even know anyone with the virus. Although everyone is walking around with face masks. She was out of the country when it hit and they kept her in Taiwan until it was deemed safe to come back. Which was two weeks ago. She's back and fine.
BTW, if you look at the mortality rates and track it in line with Ebola, SARS, Swine Flu and MERS, it's tracking a little hire than Swine Flu at the same point in time. It's not even in the same galaxy as Ebola. And it's tracking significantly under SARS.
This is being blown way out of proportion. And FMIC has nailed the OP dead to rights.
no FMIC has not and you comparing this virus to Ebola is utterly moronic. The issue with this virus are transmission and infection rates not mortality rates vis a vis Ebola. Ebola is hard to catch, needs to be blood exchange generally, and expresses itself quickly and dramatically. This virus appears to be easy to catch, possibly easier than seasonal flu but with potentially 20x the mortality of seasonal flu.
Yes, comparing this virus with another virus that requires careful containment is moronic. SMH.
You're an obvious troll. FMIC nailed it. Troll.
Ebola is spread through blood transmission and expresses dramatic symptoms within hours/days. Covid19 spreads like the common cold and may not express symptoms for up to ten days while the subject is infectious. Do you understand the difference? These are facts, not trolling. That is why Covid19 is more dangerous than Ebola. It can spread as widely as seasonal flu with potentially 20 times the fatality rate. Do these numbers make sense to you?
Just for clarification Ebola is the virus that is spread. Covid-19 is the name of the disease. The virus is called SARS-CoV-2. Think AIDS versus HIV.
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She says she's fine and doesn't even know anyone with the virus. Although everyone is walking around with face masks. She was out of the country when it hit and they kept her in Taiwan until it was deemed safe to come back. Which was two weeks ago. She's back and fine.
BTW, if you look at the mortality rates and track it in line with Ebola, SARS, Swine Flu and MERS, it's tracking a little hire than Swine Flu at the same point in time. It's not even in the same galaxy as Ebola. And it's tracking significantly under SARS.
This is being blown way out of proportion. And FMIC has nailed the OP dead to rights.
no FMIC has not and you comparing this virus to Ebola is utterly moronic. The issue with this virus are transmission and infection rates not mortality rates vis a vis Ebola. Ebola is hard to catch, needs to be blood exchange generally, and expresses itself quickly and dramatically. This virus appears to be easy to catch, possibly easier than seasonal flu but with potentially 20x the mortality of seasonal flu.
He specifically said that he was walking about mortality rates in his comparison.
he was making a more general inference about the danger posed by the virus. As you well know mortality rate alone does not account for how dangerous a virus is to the general population. It doesn't matter that covid19 is not "in the same galaxy" as Ebola in terms of mortality rate. It is more dangerous to the gen pop when you factor in infection/transmission facts and rates with mortality. One could say Ebola is NOT IN THE SAME GALAXY as covid19 in terms of danger posed to the general population. Ebola never caused a quarantine of almost a billion people, Ebola never caused the dow to drop 3000 points, ebola never killed anyone in China, Ebola never spread to 40 countries, EWbola never caused an infection of unknown origin in the United States... i could go on..
i am quoting press accounts which i believe are quoting the centers of disease control directly in reference to the single california case described as "unknown origin". Unknown origin here is being used to mean they do not know how this individual became infected because they have not come into contact with anybody known to be carrying the disease nor anybody returning from affected regions. It is believed that it might be the first case of community transmission in the united states. "unknown origin" is the media and/or the cdc term, not mine.
see.. we agree!
When they say the infection is of unknown origin they mean they can’t trace it back to a specific person who transmitted the disease.
IMVHO, that's complete horseshit.
They only test patients who show symptoms and those who either spent time in China or were exposed to someone who was positively identified. How can the medical community be serious about containing this outbreak with such a restricted threshold for testing?
I don't think it's outrageous to believe that hundreds, if not thousands of Americans are already infected. Most simply don't meet the criteria for testing.
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They did this coming. And have said so several times.
When they say the infection is of unknown origin they mean they can’t trace it back to a specific person who transmitted the disease.
IMVHO, that's complete horseshit.
They only test patients who show symptoms and those who either spent time in China or were exposed to someone who was positively identified. How can the medical community be serious about containing this outbreak with such a restricted threshold for testing?
I don't think it's outrageous to believe that hundreds, if not thousands of Americans are already infected. Most simply don't meet the criteria for testing.
you're probably right that there are unknown infections, maybe 100s. with this virus it seems it may take 10 days for symptoms to manifest. But there is no reliable test and you can't test 350 million people anyway.
If you contract it and don't have a compromised immune system and are relatively Healthy with proper care and treatment you should be Ok in about 7 days.
The big problem is you immediately become a carrier since this sucker can last in the air for around 14 days. That's why the concern to quarantine patients.
Our Medical infrastructure is superior to China and most of the world. We will be fine.
2% is 2%. People over 70 or under 6 are just as valuable as anyone. Are you suggesting it would be worse if everyone was equally vulnerable with the same overall average?
Is the medical community really this stupid?! How could they NOT see this coming?!
Someone was a carrier, got on a plane from China, brought the virus to the USA and infected someone at the airport. Not fucking hard to figure out folks.
Stop assuming governmental agencies you took for granted are actually functional, staffed, or funded (or are not lead by someone who's sole purpose is to deconstruct them for private profits).
It's a motherfucking ATROCITY that the CDC can only conduct hundreds of tests a day when orders of magnitudes more are being done in other countries on a daily basis.
But don't blame the fucking rank and file of the CDC who have been there for years
If you contract it and don't have a compromised immune system and are relatively Healthy with proper care and treatment you should be Ok in about 7 days.
The big problem is you immediately become a carrier since this sucker can last in the air for around 14 days. That's why the concern to quarantine patients.
Our Medical infrastructure is superior to China and most of the world. We will be fine.
People are so fucking short sighted. Worried about their fucking 401k, and whether they themselves will die....
The point is the SPREAD. Great, you might get Coronavirus and not die -- but in the process, you'll spread it to multiple other people. THAT is the issue.
People contextualize a 2% mortality rate by saying "hey chances are it won't be me, plus I'm not old!!". They think of it out of 100 - not out of the global context.
But yeah bro, you're totally right, autocratic authoritarian governments are just shutting down entire cities and fucking up their economy (and the entire worlds) for shits and giggles bc of "THE MEDIA111"
Give me a fucking break.
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This strain of Flu ...that's what it is the Flu not Ebola- has a 2% mortality rate once infected. The number gets skewed because if your over 70 the rate is 10-15% , kids under 6 its about 6%.
If you contract it and don't have a compromised immune system and are relatively Healthy with proper care and treatment you should be Ok in about 7 days.
The big problem is you immediately become a carrier since this sucker can last in the air for around 14 days. That's why the concern to quarantine patients.
Our Medical infrastructure is superior to China and most of the world. We will be fine.
You got parents? Grandparents?
People are so fucking short sighted. Worried about their fucking 401k, and whether they themselves will die....
The point is the SPREAD. Great, you might get Coronavirus and not die -- but in the process, you'll spread it to multiple other people. THAT is the issue.
People contextualize a 2% mortality rate by saying "hey chances are it won't be me, plus I'm not old!!". They think of it out of 100 - not out of the global context.
But yeah bro, you're totally right, autocratic authoritarian governments are just shutting down entire cities and fucking up their economy (and the entire worlds) for shits and giggles bc of "THE MEDIA111"
Give me a fucking break.
i agree with you! you might have come on a little strong here but you are 100% right, plus i love sonic youth.
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She says she's fine and doesn't even know anyone with the virus. Although everyone is walking around with face masks. She was out of the country when it hit and they kept her in Taiwan until it was deemed safe to come back. Which was two weeks ago. She's back and fine.
BTW, if you look at the mortality rates and track it in line with Ebola, SARS, Swine Flu and MERS, it's tracking a little hire than Swine Flu at the same point in time. It's not even in the same galaxy as Ebola. And it's tracking significantly under SARS.
This is being blown way out of proportion. And FMIC has nailed the OP dead to rights.
no FMIC has not and you comparing this virus to Ebola is utterly moronic. The issue with this virus are transmission and infection rates not mortality rates vis a vis Ebola. Ebola is hard to catch, needs to be blood exchange generally, and expresses itself quickly and dramatically. This virus appears to be easy to catch, possibly easier than seasonal flu but with potentially 20x the mortality of seasonal flu.
Yes, comparing this virus with another virus that requires careful containment is moronic. SMH.
You're an obvious troll. FMIC nailed it. Troll.
Ebola is spread through blood transmission and expresses dramatic symptoms within hours/days. Covid19 spreads like the common cold and may not express symptoms for up to ten days while the subject is infectious. Do you understand the difference? These are facts, not trolling. That is why Covid19 is more dangerous than Ebola. It can spread as widely as seasonal flu with potentially 20 times the fatality rate. Do these numbers make sense to you?
You’re telling me Corona is more dangerous then Ebola? You’re being purposefully obtuse. Ebola is a death sentence for just about anyone. No matter the health or age of the recipient. Just because one spreads easier does not make it more dangerous. Ebola is without question more dangerous virus. It kills within days. Corona Virus might spread easier, but that does NOT make it more dangerous. The mortality rates are not even comparable.
You are trolling. Your logic is flawed. And why I’m wasting my time even debating this with you is harder to explain then the fact that Ebola is more dangerous the Corona.
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She says she's fine and doesn't even know anyone with the virus. Although everyone is walking around with face masks. She was out of the country when it hit and they kept her in Taiwan until it was deemed safe to come back. Which was two weeks ago. She's back and fine.
BTW, if you look at the mortality rates and track it in line with Ebola, SARS, Swine Flu and MERS, it's tracking a little hire than Swine Flu at the same point in time. It's not even in the same galaxy as Ebola. And it's tracking significantly under SARS.
This is being blown way out of proportion. And FMIC has nailed the OP dead to rights.
no FMIC has not and you comparing this virus to Ebola is utterly moronic. The issue with this virus are transmission and infection rates not mortality rates vis a vis Ebola. Ebola is hard to catch, needs to be blood exchange generally, and expresses itself quickly and dramatically. This virus appears to be easy to catch, possibly easier than seasonal flu but with potentially 20x the mortality of seasonal flu.
Yes, comparing this virus with another virus that requires careful containment is moronic. SMH.
You're an obvious troll. FMIC nailed it. Troll.
Ebola is spread through blood transmission and expresses dramatic symptoms within hours/days. Covid19 spreads like the common cold and may not express symptoms for up to ten days while the subject is infectious. Do you understand the difference? These are facts, not trolling. That is why Covid19 is more dangerous than Ebola. It can spread as widely as seasonal flu with potentially 20 times the fatality rate. Do these numbers make sense to you?
You’re telling me Corona is more dangerous then Ebola? You’re being purposefully obtuse. Ebola is a death sentence for just about anyone. No matter the health or age of the recipient. Just because one spreads easier does not make it more dangerous. Ebola is without question more dangerous virus. It kills within days. Corona Virus might spread easier, but that does NOT make it more dangerous. The mortality rates are not even comparable.
You are trolling. Your logic is flawed. And why I’m wasting my time even debating this with you is harder to explain then the fact that Ebola is more dangerous the Corona.
but the difference is that you will never come in contact with Ebola. It is not a threat to 95% of the planet. it is easy to contain and hard to transmit. Covid-19 is a much greater threat to the general population. You and I have a chance to catch it - a high chance. There is a new study out of Harvard that predicts 40% to 70% of all adults worldwide WILL be infected with Covid-19 - linked below.
I ask you, what would you rather have a 0.001% chance to have a 60% chance of dying. Or a 50% chance of having a 2% chance of dying. The answer is you would rather take your chances of catching Ebola - because it is never going to happen. I have tried to explain this as gently as possible. What i have said here is logic. Not trolling.
You’re Likely to Get the Coronavirus - article - ( New Window )
check what the rate is for the majority of the population, and not the elderly.
It is less than 1% for the vast majority of the population, yet you make it seem like a death sentence.
Let me ask you this - on a football board why are you exclusively posting on this subject after signing up last month??
check what the rate is for the majority of the population, and not the elderly.
It is less than 1% for the vast majority of the population, yet you make it seem like a death sentence.
Let me ask you this - on a football board why are you exclusively posting on this subject after signing up last month??
Likelihood of being a dupe = the same chance that Dorsey Levens was good vs. the Eagles.
check what the rate is for the majority of the population, and not the elderly.
It is less than 1% for the vast majority of the population, yet you make it seem like a death sentence.
Let me ask you this - on a football board why are you exclusively posting on this subject after signing up last month??
so if it skews to the elderly that's ok? I hope as we get more cases it goes down, but so far it hasn't. It's a dangerous virus. Are you upset that your boy looks like a fucking retard? Every single point I have made has been valid and clear, and you keep attacking me. What gives?
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really seem to be fucking dense about the 2% mortality rate.
check what the rate is for the majority of the population, and not the elderly.
It is less than 1% for the vast majority of the population, yet you make it seem like a death sentence.
Let me ask you this - on a football board why are you exclusively posting on this subject after signing up last month??
so if it skews to the elderly that's ok? I hope as we get more cases it goes down, but so far it hasn't. It's a dangerous virus. Are you upset that your boy looks like a fucking retard? Every single point I have made has been valid and clear, and you keep attacking me. What gives?
Retard, really?
Stop assuming governmental agencies you took for granted are actually functional, staffed, or funded (or are not lead by someone who's sole purpose is to deconstruct them for private profits).
It's a motherfucking ATROCITY that the CDC can only conduct hundreds of tests a day when orders of magnitudes more are being done in other countries on a daily basis.
But don't blame the fucking rank and file of the CDC who have been there for years
How many trillions have we spent in this country to combat afflictions like influenza?
I'm no conspiracy theorist but does anyone actually monitor the money used for research? Are there any standards or assessments put in place to assure that we get SOMETHING for our financial efforts?
And I'm looking past the government. Non-profits, universities; etc. It's cool that all these organizations get this money tax-free but at some point do we start demanding progress? Spanish flu was exactly one century ago. Surely, that would be enough warning and time to come up with a solution, no?
Might as well ask why they haven't cured cancer or heart disease yet while you're at it. Surely they've had enough time and plenty of money to get 'er done, right?
The fact that the virus causing COVID-19 shares fundamental characteristics with the flu is both the good news and bad news. This version of coronavirus is, arguably, a vehicle by which it will become endemic in the human population, as the cold and flu are.
The upshot of which will be that, in the future, we will have "cold, flu and COVID-19 season" instead of just cold and flu season.
Having gained endemic status, this coronavirus will, again arguably, mutate like the flu and require vaccinations to be in constant development, as with the flu.
The current fatality rate is only one factor. The profile of the number of cases that become severe/critical, but the patient survives, is something we don't really know yet.
And, even as we gain knowledge of the profile for this version of COVID-19-causing coronavirus, there will the next mutation of the now endemic virus with which to be concerned.
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The fact that the virus causing COVID-19 shares fundamental characteristics with the flu is both the good news and bad news. This version of coronavirus is, arguably, a vehicle by which it will become endemic in the human population, as the cold and flu are.
The upshot of which will be that, in the future, we will have "cold, flu and COVID-19 season" instead of just cold and flu season.
Having gained endemic status, this coronavirus will, again arguably, mutate like the flu and require vaccinations to be in constant development, as with the flu.
The current fatality rate is only one factor. The profile of the number of cases that become severe/critical, but the patient survives, is something we don't really know yet.
And, even as we gain knowledge of the profile for this version of COVID-19-causing coronavirus, there will the next mutation of the now endemic virus with which to be concerned. atlantic - ( New Window )
yes. thank you. i think it is pretty important in a thread about coronavirus to point out that *experts* think there is a possibility millions will die in the coming years, maybe millions of Americans as well, and I'm being hung for it. Does it matter if half of them will be elderly? Don't we all know elderly people? Aren't we all going to be elderly one day?
Virologists were never dire about the prospects of Ebola being a threat to the general population. Every single virologist I have seen speak or write about this subject, they look and sound like they are going to toss their lunch. Virologists - the ones who know the most about viruses. I am pretty sure there have already been more infections from Covid-19 in the few months of its existence than in the entire history of Ebola. And as with influenza, soon enough there will probably be more deaths from Covid-19 than in the entire history of Ebola. And then there will be exponentially more.
No. Not every point you have made is valid or clear. In fact the OP is a bunch of horseshit and isn't even a first-hand account.
But I give you kudos for calling somebody a retard in one sentence and then asking why you are being attacked in the next one. Just like everything else, consistency isn't really your forte.
yes. thank you. i think it is pretty important in a thread about coronavirus to point out that *experts* think there is a possibility millions will die in the coming years,
This is not focus I agree with. The point of the Atlantic article is that this novel coronavirus may attain endemic status just because it kills relatively few of its hosts.
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yes. thank you. i think it is pretty important in a thread about coronavirus to point out that *experts* think there is a possibility millions will die in the coming years,
This is not focus I agree with. The point of the Atlantic article is that this novel coronavirus may attain endemic status just because it kills relatively few of its hosts.
well yes and no.. it is actually an irony of virology that the seeming deadliest viruses like Ebola don't kill as many as some more benign viruses like seasonal influenza. Why is that? Well one reason is that influenza doesn't rapidly decimate the host the way Ebola does. And in this regard Covid-19 is like the flu. It may take 10 days for the host to show symptoms meanwhile they are infectious. It is sort of a truism of virology that viruses evolve to sustain the host so it can flourish longer and find more hosts. So if Covid-19 mutates, it might become more benign, closer to influenza in terms of mortality rate. That is the good news. The bad news is that virologists i have heard are saying there is no evidence it is mutating -- yet.
Putting this all together. As FMIC and others have indicated we don't know the actual mortality rate. Cases may be under-reported and many may be asymptomatic, and maybe better intervention can mitigate the numbers we have seen. But whatever the mortality rate is, it is something higher than seasonal flu. If it stays static, a big if I know, we potentially have a new flu-like seasonal epidemic/pandemic, with a still much higher mortality rate. That could be catastrophic. I have seen the author of the Harvard study speak. He won't project mortality rate numbers as the virus takes root and becomes endemic. He doesn't know where that goes, nobody does. But let's say it drops to 1%. Among 40% to 70% of the global adult population, that's a big number. Among hundreds of millions of adult Americans, you do the math.
Good link. Those physicians in China are doing heroic work.
Very, very interesting how this doctor basically said China was too slow to react, and how that likely has been the catalyst to the outbreak.
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She says she's fine and doesn't even know anyone with the virus. Although everyone is walking around with face masks. She was out of the country when it hit and they kept her in Taiwan until it was deemed safe to come back. Which was two weeks ago. She's back and fine.
BTW, if you look at the mortality rates and track it in line with Ebola, SARS, Swine Flu and MERS, it's tracking a little hire than Swine Flu at the same point in time. It's not even in the same galaxy as Ebola. And it's tracking significantly under SARS.
This is being blown way out of proportion. And FMIC has nailed the OP dead to rights.
no FMIC has not and you comparing this virus to Ebola is utterly moronic. The issue with this virus are transmission and infection rates not mortality rates vis a vis Ebola. Ebola is hard to catch, needs to be blood exchange generally, and expresses itself quickly and dramatically. This virus appears to be easy to catch, possibly easier than seasonal flu but with potentially 20x the mortality of seasonal flu.
Yes, comparing this virus with another virus that requires careful containment is moronic. SMH.
You're an obvious troll. FMIC nailed it. Troll.
Ebola is spread through blood transmission and expresses dramatic symptoms within hours/days. Covid19 spreads like the common cold and may not express symptoms for up to ten days while the subject is infectious. Do you understand the difference? These are facts, not trolling. That is why Covid19 is more dangerous than Ebola. It can spread as widely as seasonal flu with potentially 20 times the fatality rate. Do these numbers make sense to you?
You’re telling me Corona is more dangerous then Ebola? You’re being purposefully obtuse. Ebola is a death sentence for just about anyone. No matter the health or age of the recipient. Just because one spreads easier does not make it more dangerous. Ebola is without question more dangerous virus. It kills within days. Corona Virus might spread easier, but that does NOT make it more dangerous. The mortality rates are not even comparable.
You are trolling. Your logic is flawed. And why I’m wasting my time even debating this with you is harder to explain then the fact that Ebola is more dangerous the Corona.
but the difference is that you will never come in contact with Ebola. It is not a threat to 95% of the planet. it is easy to contain and hard to transmit. Covid-19 is a much greater threat to the general population. You and I have a chance to catch it - a high chance. There is a new study out of Harvard that predicts 40% to 70% of all adults worldwide WILL be infected with Covid-19 - linked below.
I ask you, what would you rather have a 0.001% chance to have a 60% chance of dying. Or a 50% chance of having a 2% chance of dying. The answer is you would rather take your chances of catching Ebola - because it is never going to happen. I have tried to explain this as gently as possible. What i have said here is logic. Not trolling. You’re Likely to Get the Coronavirus - article - ( New Window )
Why would I care if I'm going to get this virus? I'm a 39 year old healthy adult. The vast majority of people dying are elderly. And even many of them are surviving. I have a chance at dying if I get the flu as well. A 2% chance of dying is gives me a 98% chance of living. That means something would have to go terribly wrong for this disease to kill me. I will GLADLY take my chances with this virus over ever even being in the same CITY as someone that has Ebola. Not too mention, if Ebola ever mutated to an airborn disease, we would lose most of the earths population. THAT is something to worry about.
Again, my sister lives 9 hours away, by car, from Wuhan. She hasn't caught the virus. Nor has anyone she knows personally. While it is a virus that spreads just like the flu, it's not wiping out civilization. And if she catches the virus, chances are I'll see her next Christmas. If she catches Ebola, I'll never see her again. That's the difference.
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She says she's fine and doesn't even know anyone with the virus. Although everyone is walking around with face masks. She was out of the country when it hit and they kept her in Taiwan until it was deemed safe to come back. Which was two weeks ago. She's back and fine.
BTW, if you look at the mortality rates and track it in line with Ebola, SARS, Swine Flu and MERS, it's tracking a little hire than Swine Flu at the same point in time. It's not even in the same galaxy as Ebola. And it's tracking significantly under SARS.
This is being blown way out of proportion. And FMIC has nailed the OP dead to rights.
no FMIC has not and you comparing this virus to Ebola is utterly moronic. The issue with this virus are transmission and infection rates not mortality rates vis a vis Ebola. Ebola is hard to catch, needs to be blood exchange generally, and expresses itself quickly and dramatically. This virus appears to be easy to catch, possibly easier than seasonal flu but with potentially 20x the mortality of seasonal flu.
Yes, comparing this virus with another virus that requires careful containment is moronic. SMH.
You're an obvious troll. FMIC nailed it. Troll.
Ebola is spread through blood transmission and expresses dramatic symptoms within hours/days. Covid19 spreads like the common cold and may not express symptoms for up to ten days while the subject is infectious. Do you understand the difference? These are facts, not trolling. That is why Covid19 is more dangerous than Ebola. It can spread as widely as seasonal flu with potentially 20 times the fatality rate. Do these numbers make sense to you?
You’re telling me Corona is more dangerous then Ebola? You’re being purposefully obtuse. Ebola is a death sentence for just about anyone. No matter the health or age of the recipient. Just because one spreads easier does not make it more dangerous. Ebola is without question more dangerous virus. It kills within days. Corona Virus might spread easier, but that does NOT make it more dangerous. The mortality rates are not even comparable.
You are trolling. Your logic is flawed. And why I’m wasting my time even debating this with you is harder to explain then the fact that Ebola is more dangerous the Corona.
but the difference is that you will never come in contact with Ebola. It is not a threat to 95% of the planet. it is easy to contain and hard to transmit. Covid-19 is a much greater threat to the general population. You and I have a chance to catch it - a high chance. There is a new study out of Harvard that predicts 40% to 70% of all adults worldwide WILL be infected with Covid-19 - linked below.
I ask you, what would you rather have a 0.001% chance to have a 60% chance of dying. Or a 50% chance of having a 2% chance of dying. The answer is you would rather take your chances of catching Ebola - because it is never going to happen. I have tried to explain this as gently as possible. What i have said here is logic. Not trolling. You’re Likely to Get the Coronavirus - article - ( New Window )
Why would I care if I'm going to get this virus? I'm a 39 year old healthy adult. The vast majority of people dying are elderly. And even many of them are surviving. I have a chance at dying if I get the flu as well. A 2% chance of dying is gives me a 98% chance of living. That means something would have to go terribly wrong for this disease to kill me. I will GLADLY take my chances with this virus over ever even being in the same CITY as someone that has Ebola. Not too mention, if Ebola ever mutated to an airborn disease, we would lose most of the earths population. THAT is something to worry about.
Again, my sister lives 9 hours away, by car, from Wuhan. She hasn't caught the virus. Nor has anyone she knows personally. While it is a virus that spreads just like the flu, it's not wiping out civilization. And if she catches the virus, chances are I'll see her next Christmas. If she catches Ebola, I'll never see her again. That's the difference.
Ebola going airborne is a science fiction fantasy. Like HIV going airborne. These aren't realistic possibilities. Unless you live in affected areas, like Kenya AND have a family member you need to care for with Ebola OR you're a healthcare worker in those regions, there is a 99.999999999% chance you will never come in contact with Ebola. This virus, there are plausible mathematical models that predict that you will be infected. This whole argument started because people were saying this was nothing, that it would burn out like SARS. Now, with 50+ countries fighting outbreaks, 4000 points down on the DOW, the possible cancellation of the Olympics on the horizon, the largest quarantine in human history, etc etc.. those naysayers have been proved wrong. That is all I and a few others have been saying. This is not SARS. This isn't going away next week. Now the naysayers are saying, I don't care if I get it.. ok... but that's not what they were saying before. The goal posts have moved. I for one don't want to get it. I'm not living in terror, but I'm 54 with a few health issues. One day soon I will be 65 with worse health issues. It's on my mind. I'm not paralyzed by it but I hope treatments make this virus as relatively benign as seasonal flu.
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She says she's fine and doesn't even know anyone with the virus. Although everyone is walking around with face masks. She was out of the country when it hit and they kept her in Taiwan until it was deemed safe to come back. Which was two weeks ago. She's back and fine.
BTW, if you look at the mortality rates and track it in line with Ebola, SARS, Swine Flu and MERS, it's tracking a little hire than Swine Flu at the same point in time. It's not even in the same galaxy as Ebola. And it's tracking significantly under SARS.
This is being blown way out of proportion. And FMIC has nailed the OP dead to rights.
no FMIC has not and you comparing this virus to Ebola is utterly moronic. The issue with this virus are transmission and infection rates not mortality rates vis a vis Ebola. Ebola is hard to catch, needs to be blood exchange generally, and expresses itself quickly and dramatically. This virus appears to be easy to catch, possibly easier than seasonal flu but with potentially 20x the mortality of seasonal flu.
Yes, comparing this virus with another virus that requires careful containment is moronic. SMH.
You're an obvious troll. FMIC nailed it. Troll.
Ebola is spread through blood transmission and expresses dramatic symptoms within hours/days. Covid19 spreads like the common cold and may not express symptoms for up to ten days while the subject is infectious. Do you understand the difference? These are facts, not trolling. That is why Covid19 is more dangerous than Ebola. It can spread as widely as seasonal flu with potentially 20 times the fatality rate. Do these numbers make sense to you?
You’re telling me Corona is more dangerous then Ebola? You’re being purposefully obtuse. Ebola is a death sentence for just about anyone. No matter the health or age of the recipient. Just because one spreads easier does not make it more dangerous. Ebola is without question more dangerous virus. It kills within days. Corona Virus might spread easier, but that does NOT make it more dangerous. The mortality rates are not even comparable.
You are trolling. Your logic is flawed. And why I’m wasting my time even debating this with you is harder to explain then the fact that Ebola is more dangerous the Corona.
but the difference is that you will never come in contact with Ebola. It is not a threat to 95% of the planet. it is easy to contain and hard to transmit. Covid-19 is a much greater threat to the general population. You and I have a chance to catch it - a high chance. There is a new study out of Harvard that predicts 40% to 70% of all adults worldwide WILL be infected with Covid-19 - linked below.
I ask you, what would you rather have a 0.001% chance to have a 60% chance of dying. Or a 50% chance of having a 2% chance of dying. The answer is you would rather take your chances of catching Ebola - because it is never going to happen. I have tried to explain this as gently as possible. What i have said here is logic. Not trolling. You’re Likely to Get the Coronavirus - article - ( New Window )
Why would I care if I'm going to get this virus? I'm a 39 year old healthy adult. The vast majority of people dying are elderly. And even many of them are surviving. I have a chance at dying if I get the flu as well. A 2% chance of dying is gives me a 98% chance of living. That means something would have to go terribly wrong for this disease to kill me. I will GLADLY take my chances with this virus over ever even being in the same CITY as someone that has Ebola. Not too mention, if Ebola ever mutated to an airborn disease, we would lose most of the earths population. THAT is something to worry about.
Again, my sister lives 9 hours away, by car, from Wuhan. She hasn't caught the virus. Nor has anyone she knows personally. While it is a virus that spreads just like the flu, it's not wiping out civilization. And if she catches the virus, chances are I'll see her next Christmas. If she catches Ebola, I'll never see her again. That's the difference.
Ebola going airborne is a science fiction fantasy. Like HIV going airborne. These aren't realistic possibilities. Unless you live in affected areas, like Kenya AND have a family member you need to care for with Ebola OR you're a healthcare worker in those regions, there is a 99.999999999% chance you will never come in contact with Ebola. This virus, there are plausible mathematical models that predict that you will be infected. This whole argument started because people were saying this was nothing, that it would burn out like SARS. Now, with 50+ countries fighting outbreaks, 4000 points down on the DOW, the possible cancellation of the Olympics on the horizon, the largest quarantine in human history, etc etc.. those naysayers have been proved wrong. That is all I and a few others have been saying. This is not SARS. This isn't going away next week. Now the naysayers are saying, I don't care if I get it.. ok... but that's not what they were saying before. The goal posts have moved. I for one don't want to get it. I'm not living in terror, but I'm 54 with a few health issues. One day soon I will be 65 with worse health issues. It's on my mind. I'm not paralyzed by it but I hope treatments make this virus as relatively benign as seasonal flu.
By the time you're 65 this virus will most likely be treated and vaccinated for like our most standard seasonal viruses. They are already making great strides on getting a handle on it and it's only been around a few weeks.
Look at AIDS. People thought they would never be able to stop or slow it down. I have two friends with AIDS and both of them live perfectly normal lives. One of them was near death and they brought him back to the point where the virus is undetectable in his system.
This virus doesn't show any signs of being the grim reaper virus you are equating it to. The main point you're getting across is that it's spreading like the flu. We get that. But it's not wiping out civilization.
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She says she's fine and doesn't even know anyone with the virus. Although everyone is walking around with face masks. She was out of the country when it hit and they kept her in Taiwan until it was deemed safe to come back. Which was two weeks ago. She's back and fine.
BTW, if you look at the mortality rates and track it in line with Ebola, SARS, Swine Flu and MERS, it's tracking a little hire than Swine Flu at the same point in time. It's not even in the same galaxy as Ebola. And it's tracking significantly under SARS.
This is being blown way out of proportion. And FMIC has nailed the OP dead to rights.
no FMIC has not and you comparing this virus to Ebola is utterly moronic. The issue with this virus are transmission and infection rates not mortality rates vis a vis Ebola. Ebola is hard to catch, needs to be blood exchange generally, and expresses itself quickly and dramatically. This virus appears to be easy to catch, possibly easier than seasonal flu but with potentially 20x the mortality of seasonal flu.
Yes, comparing this virus with another virus that requires careful containment is moronic. SMH.
You're an obvious troll. FMIC nailed it. Troll.
Ebola is spread through blood transmission and expresses dramatic symptoms within hours/days. Covid19 spreads like the common cold and may not express symptoms for up to ten days while the subject is infectious. Do you understand the difference? These are facts, not trolling. That is why Covid19 is more dangerous than Ebola. It can spread as widely as seasonal flu with potentially 20 times the fatality rate. Do these numbers make sense to you?
You’re telling me Corona is more dangerous then Ebola? You’re being purposefully obtuse. Ebola is a death sentence for just about anyone. No matter the health or age of the recipient. Just because one spreads easier does not make it more dangerous. Ebola is without question more dangerous virus. It kills within days. Corona Virus might spread easier, but that does NOT make it more dangerous. The mortality rates are not even comparable.
You are trolling. Your logic is flawed. And why I’m wasting my time even debating this with you is harder to explain then the fact that Ebola is more dangerous the Corona.
but the difference is that you will never come in contact with Ebola. It is not a threat to 95% of the planet. it is easy to contain and hard to transmit. Covid-19 is a much greater threat to the general population. You and I have a chance to catch it - a high chance. There is a new study out of Harvard that predicts 40% to 70% of all adults worldwide WILL be infected with Covid-19 - linked below.
I ask you, what would you rather have a 0.001% chance to have a 60% chance of dying. Or a 50% chance of having a 2% chance of dying. The answer is you would rather take your chances of catching Ebola - because it is never going to happen. I have tried to explain this as gently as possible. What i have said here is logic. Not trolling. You’re Likely to Get the Coronavirus - article - ( New Window )
Why would I care if I'm going to get this virus? I'm a 39 year old healthy adult. The vast majority of people dying are elderly. And even many of them are surviving. I have a chance at dying if I get the flu as well. A 2% chance of dying is gives me a 98% chance of living. That means something would have to go terribly wrong for this disease to kill me. I will GLADLY take my chances with this virus over ever even being in the same CITY as someone that has Ebola. Not too mention, if Ebola ever mutated to an airborn disease, we would lose most of the earths population. THAT is something to worry about.
Again, my sister lives 9 hours away, by car, from Wuhan. She hasn't caught the virus. Nor has anyone she knows personally. While it is a virus that spreads just like the flu, it's not wiping out civilization. And if she catches the virus, chances are I'll see her next Christmas. If she catches Ebola, I'll never see her again. That's the difference.
Ebola going airborne is a science fiction fantasy. Like HIV going airborne. These aren't realistic possibilities. Unless you live in affected areas, like Kenya AND have a family member you need to care for with Ebola OR you're a healthcare worker in those regions, there is a 99.999999999% chance you will never come in contact with Ebola. This virus, there are plausible mathematical models that predict that you will be infected. This whole argument started because people were saying this was nothing, that it would burn out like SARS. Now, with 50+ countries fighting outbreaks, 4000 points down on the DOW, the possible cancellation of the Olympics on the horizon, the largest quarantine in human history, etc etc.. those naysayers have been proved wrong. That is all I and a few others have been saying. This is not SARS. This isn't going away next week. Now the naysayers are saying, I don't care if I get it.. ok... but that's not what they were saying before. The goal posts have moved. I for one don't want to get it. I'm not living in terror, but I'm 54 with a few health issues. One day soon I will be 65 with worse health issues. It's on my mind. I'm not paralyzed by it but I hope treatments make this virus as relatively benign as seasonal flu.
By the time you're 65 this virus will most likely be treated and vaccinated for like our most standard seasonal viruses. They are already making great strides on getting a handle on it and it's only been around a few weeks.
Look at AIDS. People thought they would never be able to stop or slow it down. I have two friends with AIDS and both of them live perfectly normal lives. One of them was near death and they brought him back to the point where the virus is undetectable in his system.
This virus doesn't show any signs of being the grim reaper virus you are equating it to. The main point you're getting across is that it's spreading like the flu. We get that. But it's not wiping out civilization.
I never once claimed it was wiping out civilization. The 1918 flu didn't wipe out civilization. Not close. But it was catastrophic. The number of dead was mind-boggling and everyone knew people, many healthy people, who died. Civilization will move, of course.
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I know a little something about it. I know more than you. Three weeks ago when you were claiming it was nothing and that it would go away, I disagreed. You were the one spouting off with too little information, and knowledge. You were wrong, not me. But it's ok to be wrong as long as you can admit it. You my friend, seem to double down on wrong a lot. Sorry I tried to correct your misconceptions. I didn't develop an interest in virology last week, but it seems you did, making broad assertions that were untrue.
Be vigilant, take precautions and don't act like the fucking world is ending.It is a strain of the flu, not some population-leveling disease.
And what I also said - is learn the facts before spreading fear. Three weeks later - and you still are doing the same fucking thing. A dupe and a troll who signed up to discuss a virus.
Who the fuck acts like that?
If you didn't develop an interest in virology last week, you sure sound like an idiot when discussing it. What person with an understanding of virology would spread fear and misinformation instead of sticking with what is known?
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She says she's fine and doesn't even know anyone with the virus. Although everyone is walking around with face masks. She was out of the country when it hit and they kept her in Taiwan until it was deemed safe to come back. Which was two weeks ago. She's back and fine.
BTW, if you look at the mortality rates and track it in line with Ebola, SARS, Swine Flu and MERS, it's tracking a little hire than Swine Flu at the same point in time. It's not even in the same galaxy as Ebola. And it's tracking significantly under SARS.
This is being blown way out of proportion. And FMIC has nailed the OP dead to rights.
no FMIC has not and you comparing this virus to Ebola is utterly moronic. The issue with this virus are transmission and infection rates not mortality rates vis a vis Ebola. Ebola is hard to catch, needs to be blood exchange generally, and expresses itself quickly and dramatically. This virus appears to be easy to catch, possibly easier than seasonal flu but with potentially 20x the mortality of seasonal flu.
Yes, comparing this virus with another virus that requires careful containment is moronic. SMH.
You're an obvious troll. FMIC nailed it. Troll.
Ebola is spread through blood transmission and expresses dramatic symptoms within hours/days. Covid19 spreads like the common cold and may not express symptoms for up to ten days while the subject is infectious. Do you understand the difference? These are facts, not trolling. That is why Covid19 is more dangerous than Ebola. It can spread as widely as seasonal flu with potentially 20 times the fatality rate. Do these numbers make sense to you?
You’re telling me Corona is more dangerous then Ebola? You’re being purposefully obtuse. Ebola is a death sentence for just about anyone. No matter the health or age of the recipient. Just because one spreads easier does not make it more dangerous. Ebola is without question more dangerous virus. It kills within days. Corona Virus might spread easier, but that does NOT make it more dangerous. The mortality rates are not even comparable.
You are trolling. Your logic is flawed. And why I’m wasting my time even debating this with you is harder to explain then the fact that Ebola is more dangerous the Corona.
but the difference is that you will never come in contact with Ebola. It is not a threat to 95% of the planet. it is easy to contain and hard to transmit. Covid-19 is a much greater threat to the general population. You and I have a chance to catch it - a high chance. There is a new study out of Harvard that predicts 40% to 70% of all adults worldwide WILL be infected with Covid-19 - linked below.
I ask you, what would you rather have a 0.001% chance to have a 60% chance of dying. Or a 50% chance of having a 2% chance of dying. The answer is you would rather take your chances of catching Ebola - because it is never going to happen. I have tried to explain this as gently as possible. What i have said here is logic. Not trolling. You’re Likely to Get the Coronavirus - article - ( New Window )
Why would I care if I'm going to get this virus? I'm a 39 year old healthy adult. The vast majority of people dying are elderly. And even many of them are surviving. I have a chance at dying if I get the flu as well. A 2% chance of dying is gives me a 98% chance of living. That means something would have to go terribly wrong for this disease to kill me. I will GLADLY take my chances with this virus over ever even being in the same CITY as someone that has Ebola. Not too mention, if Ebola ever mutated to an airborn disease, we would lose most of the earths population. THAT is something to worry about.
Again, my sister lives 9 hours away, by car, from Wuhan. She hasn't caught the virus. Nor has anyone she knows personally. While it is a virus that spreads just like the flu, it's not wiping out civilization. And if she catches the virus, chances are I'll see her next Christmas. If she catches Ebola, I'll never see her again. That's the difference.
Ebola going airborne is a science fiction fantasy. Like HIV going airborne. These aren't realistic possibilities. Unless you live in affected areas, like Kenya AND have a family member you need to care for with Ebola OR you're a healthcare worker in those regions, there is a 99.999999999% chance you will never come in contact with Ebola. This virus, there are plausible mathematical models that predict that you will be infected. This whole argument started because people were saying this was nothing, that it would burn out like SARS. Now, with 50+ countries fighting outbreaks, 4000 points down on the DOW, the possible cancellation of the Olympics on the horizon, the largest quarantine in human history, etc etc.. those naysayers have been proved wrong. That is all I and a few others have been saying. This is not SARS. This isn't going away next week. Now the naysayers are saying, I don't care if I get it.. ok... but that's not what they were saying before. The goal posts have moved. I for one don't want to get it. I'm not living in terror, but I'm 54 with a few health issues. One day soon I will be 65 with worse health issues. It's on my mind. I'm not paralyzed by it but I hope treatments make this virus as relatively benign as seasonal flu.
By the time you're 65 this virus will most likely be treated and vaccinated for like our most standard seasonal viruses. They are already making great strides on getting a handle on it and it's only been around a few weeks.
Look at AIDS. People thought they would never be able to stop or slow it down. I have two friends with AIDS and both of them live perfectly normal lives. One of them was near death and they brought him back to the point where the virus is undetectable in his system.
This virus doesn't show any signs of being the grim reaper virus you are equating it to. The main point you're getting across is that it's spreading like the flu. We get that. But it's not wiping out civilization.
I never once claimed it was wiping out civilization. The 1918 flu didn't wipe out civilization. Not close. But it was catastrophic. The number of dead was mind-boggling and everyone knew people, many healthy people, who died. Civilization will move, of course.
Good lord. You understand hyperbole as well as virology.
My point is you're acting as if this is the 1918 flu. And to quote you, "The 1918 flu didn't wipe out civilization. Not close. But it was catastrophic."
This is not that.
Is the goal to save BBI from the virus or is this just a way to direct your anxiety to the masses on a subject? Why not post it on a virology board?? Are we supposed to take action or just cower in a dark room with anti-microbial wipes until it passes?
There must be some motivation to sign up on a football board just to be a Good Samaritan, right, Ace?
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Thanks for sharing that. I’ve read and heard some WHO officials just raving about the job China has done managing the outbreak. One guy essentially said if he had to be in one country for this type of health crisis China was his choice. It’s like he was an alien. Or being bribed.
They owe the world the truth. Unfortunately they are incapable of meeting that moral obligation.
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Thanks for sharing that. I’ve read and heard some WHO officials just raving about the job China has done managing the outbreak. One guy essentially said if he had to be in one country for this type of health crisis China was his choice. It’s like he was an alien. Or being bribed.
They owe the world the truth. Unfortunately they are incapable of meeting that moral obligation.
Actually I think both are true... Information has not been allowed to leave China, and they do have an moral obligation to share that. On the other hand, China's top down authoritarian structure has allowed them to mobilize the Army, and put a huge region under very strict Marshal Law. They have army personnel trucking in food and delivering it. They also have large number of army doctors and nurses in the region, and they produce the majority of HazMat suits. They were able to ramp up production before most of the world knew what was happening. They have been able to take unprecedented steps to control the disease. Steps that will be nearly impossible to replicate here in the US.
They have taken over sporting arenas and large gymnasiums and converted them into temporary Hospitals, adding over 10,000 more beds.
If people start getting sick here, something like 15% of the population (typical numbers for the flu), we *may* need 100x that number. What is that going to do to the mortality rate if people can't get them.
They have taken over sporting arenas and large gymnasiums and converted them into temporary Hospitals, adding over 10,000 more beds.
I saw the hospital builds. I think jcn posted one of those fast-forward videos that shows them breaking ground and working around the clock to go live in by 2 weeks.