This was re-posted by a friend of mine who says it is from a close friend's friend living in China. That's all I can say about its authenticity. It's a pretty terrifying account if true:
A friend of mine in Asia has apparently contracted the coronavirus. While I have not seen him in a couple of years, I pass along to all of you his desperate posting. Please take heed:
“For the safety of my friends and family and my love of God, I’d like to let everyone know that I believe I’ve contracted the Coronavirus. I may have gotten a bad dose cuz I’m in pretty bad shape. I would like to tell everyone with the little energy I have what this is like for ur protection.
Don’t believe the media, I was absolutely fine, wearing face mask and disinfecting, and as if from nowhere I almost fainted on the street. I went home and in less than 24 hours I was having horrible respiratory problems and have had 3 mild to medium to almost complete respiratory failures so far. The muscle pain are concentrated in the sternum and feel like sudden heart attacks. Also sitting in a position that puts any weight on the area where your lungs feel strained will cause a feeling like your lungs are locked in place.
I haven’t developed a cough, I had nausea and upset stomach, no sore throat and no fever. In the next 48 hours I developed a fever that goes and comes like lightning. Cold air causes respiratory distress BIG TIME, sleeping agents cause respiratory failure so stay away from Tylenol PM or things to help you sleep. When you are weak, the sleeping agent causes a feeling like you’re about to fall into a coma.
Chopping up onions, what sounds like a dumb home remedy, has actually given some relief. Maybe the acidic elements in the onion help, whatever, I’m breathing a little better, not overthinking it.
It SNEAKS UP ON YOU! That’s my most important warning, pay attention to your body, don’t dismiss any small feeling, it’s sudden. I saw pictures of people in wuhan fainting and thought that those were some ignorant people to go outside when they knew they’re sick. I saw a nurse suddenly collapse and thought well why did she come into work?? No. No no no. It sneaks up on you and you have absolutely no idea how the heck you’re suddenly laying on the floor.
I’m in a stage now where I’m fighting to keep myself breathing. Hospitals are turning people away if they didn’t have contact with a Chinese person first. The numbers we are seeing are impossible to be accurate. No way in hell! If the governments are only testing a select few, then how can people like me who are out there be counted in that number? My neighbor’s kid sounds like he’s going to die from the coughing.
Most important for me is I’m not scared in the spiritual sense. I know who’s got my back and I’m good. I want to take a moment to implore those of you who aren’t quite sure of your own convictions to take a moment and reflect on them, because whatever this thing is feels like more than what we are being told. I was holed up in my apartment for almost a month, ordering from the local market which left the food outside my door, and I left once and caught it. The one time I left there were sick people everywhere, literally like a movie. Please, if you ever had any wonder about your life and the possibility That God exists, now may be the time to think about it and ask Him to speak to you and see if you hear something back i can guarantee you will. This will explode soon and your story might be like mine, thinking no way will I catch it, and then you’ve got it... and it’s worse than you imagined.
Last thing, my mom said “I see now how the elderly are dying from this.” I’m sorry to say yes, please watch over your elders. I’m moving around, fighting with all my heart to keep myself from losing consciousness or from respiratory failure. Every time I feel my lungs lock up, I do everything, pace around the room, lay on the floor, get back up, everything so I can to catch my breath again... I have no idea how an older person will be able to do all that if they catch this. Don’t wait too long to bring them in. God bless everyone. If I feel this might get me in trouble with the government I’ll take my FB down.”
For those with a weakened immune system, the elderly and the very young, there's a chance the virus could cause a lower, and much more serious, respiratory tract illness such as pneumonia or bronchitis.
There are a handful of human coronaviruses that are known to be deadly.
There is no specific treatment, but research is underway. Most of the time, symptoms will go away on their own and experts advise seeking care early. People with symptoms that feel worse than a standard cold should see their doctor.
Doesn't sound consistent with the known symptoms.
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The viruses can make people sick, usually with a mild to moderate upper respiratory tract illness, similar to a common cold. Coronavirus symptoms include a runny nose, cough, sore throat, possibly a headache and maybe a fever, which can last for a couple of days.
For those with a weakened immune system, the elderly and the very young, there's a chance the virus could cause a lower, and much more serious, respiratory tract illness such as pneumonia or bronchitis.
There are a handful of human coronaviruses that are known to be deadly.
There is no specific treatment, but research is underway. Most of the time, symptoms will go away on their own and experts advise seeking care early. People with symptoms that feel worse than a standard cold should see their doctor.
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for sure.. skepticism is a good thing. I imagine we'll get some more fist hand accounts very soon.
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because this starts out just like those urban legends type things where some story is passed on from a "friend" who got it first hand from another "friend".
for sure.. skepticism is a good thing. I imagine we'll get some more fist hand accounts very soon.
I doubt it, China's pretty good at controlling the news.
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The viruses can make people sick, usually with a mild to moderate upper respiratory tract illness, similar to a common cold. Coronavirus symptoms include a runny nose, cough, sore throat, possibly a headache and maybe a fever, which can last for a couple of days.
For those with a weakened immune system, the elderly and the very young, there's a chance the virus could cause a lower, and much more serious, respiratory tract illness such as pneumonia or bronchitis.
There are a handful of human coronaviruses that are known to be deadly.
There is no specific treatment, but research is underway. Most of the time, symptoms will go away on their own and experts advise seeking care early. People with symptoms that feel worse than a standard cold should see their doctor.
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Why the hostile response?
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yea ok Dr. Lawguy. This sounds like he has pneumonia which is a common manifestation of this outbreak.
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The viruses can make people sick, usually with a mild to moderate upper respiratory tract illness, similar to a common cold. Coronavirus symptoms include a runny nose, cough, sore throat, possibly a headache and maybe a fever, which can last for a couple of days.
For those with a weakened immune system, the elderly and the very young, there's a chance the virus could cause a lower, and much more serious, respiratory tract illness such as pneumonia or bronchitis.
There are a handful of human coronaviruses that are known to be deadly.
There is no specific treatment, but research is underway. Most of the time, symptoms will go away on their own and experts advise seeking care early. People with symptoms that feel worse than a standard cold should see their doctor.
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Why the hostile response?
i am sorry you took it as hostile. I thought your reply was flip. Sorry if I misinterpreted it. Colds and flus, while they have a consistent symptom pattern may express ancillary symptoms different in different people. But he sounds like he is struggling with classic pneumonia. That's all i can say. I don't know more. And with little news we can trust out of China it is worrisome. I hope our own authorities are transparent
I doubt it, China's pretty good at controlling the news.
Not when the news is also coming from Japan, S Korea, etc.
i have personally communicated with the person who received this message from a friend. He is second, I am third, I suppose.
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I doubt it, China's pretty good at controlling the news.
Not when the news is also coming from Japan, S Korea, etc.
true but in terms of getting first hand info on mortality, infection rates, deaths, herd immunity etc I'm not expecting to get much truth from China.
true but in terms of getting first hand info on mortality, infection rates, deaths, herd immunity etc I'm not expecting to get much truth from China.
No doubt.
i don't know. you are correct i should have labeled it POSSIBLE Corona Virus first hand account.
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HIV meds are effective because Covid19 is immunosuppressive. Attached is a very technical article about Coronaviruses in general, from the article:
“ The virus is capable of entering macrophages and dendritic cells but only leads to an abortive infection. Despite this, infection of these cell types may be important in inducing pro-inflammatory cytokines that may contribute to disease.”
This would explain the symptoms described in OP’s account.
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Yup.
I pray this is the rubbish it reads like it is.
Producer is either having some sort of breakdown, or is trolling — these posts are a continuation from yesterday’s hysteria. Oyy.
I pray this is the rubbish it reads like it is.
You mock OP for posting rubbish, then you pray it actually IS rubbish - a great illustration of the effect that the fog of incomplete and misleading info is having on the population.
China quarantined a city bigger that NYC, they’re not divulging all the relevant facts. Its no surprise that accounts like OP are popping up on message boards, Twitter, and other non-media sites.
I also pray OP’s story is false - but I won’t mock him because it’s very possible he’s telling the truth.
Love that book
"The walking Dude!
Lol, is this the simo dupe again?
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Lol, is this the simo dupe again?
It’s Denny in Denville et al
And I think that is really dramatic and reads like an outbreak sequel script. If that is accurate, I think he needs a therapist more than a doctor or may have a career as an Instagram influencer.
The vast, vast majority of people aren’t dying from this.
Docs wanted to test earlier for Corona, couldn't due to no local testing and CDC rules. Thanks CDC and Federal government.
I hope for this individual's recovery, but it is now clear this virus is here in the US and spreading locally. This is a pandemic, no one knows what will happen. So far the government response on the federal level will go down in history a scientific and bureaucratic failure of epic proportions. The time bought by the draconian methods of China has been squandered.
South Korea has tested 30 thousand plus, they have setup drive thru testing, UK preparing home resting, Ontario Canada has tested more then entire USA. What a fucking joke. Local labs at state level still held up by CDC.
Patient even was transferred to another hospital. So he was sick for a while, went to two hospitals and had the virus.
The US still cant test on a mass and effective level.
The virus is in control now, we should all hope it is not as bad once it is spreading wildly.
Docs wanted to test earlier for Corona, couldn't due to no local testing and CDC rules. Thanks CDC and Federal government.
I hope for this individual's recovery, but it is now clear this virus is here in the US and spreading locally. This is a pandemic, no one knows what will happen. So far the government response on the federal level will go down in history a scientific and bureaucratic failure of epic proportions. The time bought by the draconian methods of China has been squandered.
South Korea has tested 30 thousand plus, they have setup drive thru testing, UK preparing home resting, Ontario Canada has tested more then entire USA. What a fucking joke. Local labs at state level still held up by CDC.
Patient even was transferred to another hospital. So he was sick for a while, went to two hospitals and had the virus.
Right, the CDC is telling MDs not to test.
The virus has existed before. It is not new.
How the hell do you quarantine entire cities when there have been 15 cases in the entire country?
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No worries, the right person is in charge now.
It's basically a rehash of all the talking points this schmuck has been telling the board for the past two weeks and yet, it doesn't seem to sound like other actually documented cases or accounts.
The troll is strong with this fuckwit.
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Docs wanted to test earlier for Corona, couldn't due to no local testing and CDC rules. Thanks CDC and Federal government.
I hope for this individual's recovery, but it is now clear this virus is here in the US and spreading locally. This is a pandemic, no one knows what will happen. So far the government response on the federal level will go down in history a scientific and bureaucratic failure of epic proportions. The time bought by the draconian methods of China has been squandered.
South Korea has tested 30 thousand plus, they have setup drive thru testing, UK preparing home resting, Ontario Canada has tested more then entire USA. What a fucking joke. Local labs at state level still held up by CDC.
Patient even was transferred to another hospital. So he was sick for a while, went to two hospitals and had the virus.
Right, the CDC is telling MDs not to test.
The virus has existed before. It is not new.
How the hell do you quarantine entire cities when there have been 15 cases in the entire country?
Who said quarantine at this time? The US would not even know where to quarantine, the nation is flying blind. The CDC did reject the request to test based on the current criteria. I mean the ability to screen and test to accurately assess the situation while perhaps there is still time to mitigate or stop the spread. South Korea and Italy have growing spreads, they can at least mass test to get a clearer picture of what is going on. South Korea has tested tens of thousands, based on my understanding, as of right now in our beloved USA, tests still have to be sent to the cdc via fucking mail to be done. Now that it is confirmed there is community spread, are tens of thousands of tests going to be mailed to the CDC?
There was a letter given to UC Davis hospital staff, where the patient is, stating what I wrote above. They even mention the hospital does not control the testing process, implying they were denied permission to test.
How about all the health care workers at two hospitals working on this guy without even knowing he has it? They theh go home without knowing etc.? The virus is here, has been for weeks and the USA will be incapable of tracking and testing its spread.
This poor soul is the only community case walking around the US? Unlikey, this thing is everywhere and the US ability to test and track seems closer to Iran to me then South Kore, Italy, UK, and so on.
Why did none of these other countries have an issue creating a viable testing capability? The US was like a backwater nation with this.
It is out, if it is like what is happening in SK and Italy it will spread like wildfire and everyone is in uncharted waters now.
Today and the next fee days there will be people showing up sick with pneumonia all over the US, having been spreading it all over for st least a few weeks.
Again, SK has a punchers chance to slow or reduce spread due to being able to track and test. This process has already revealed over 1500 cases in less than one week.
By the time the US can even sniff what they have done tens of thousands will be infected.
This is serious stuff, there should be a wartime like response.
Let my Cameron go!!
tested negative for flu
Maybe I am a nut with this thing, but, Korea is over 1500, one case in Italy became hundreds.
Why wouldn't this person lead to more cases and the inevitable people who will be showing up this week in hospitals have infected many many more. This coming up positive today after being sick or at least a week, AND was in two hospitals and no one knew, proves to me this virus is out there, likely all over the US
In my opinion, there is no one on Earth who knows how this is going to play out. It would fill me with more confidence if the US could actually know what is going on and would have had the ability to be aggressive with that knowledge in the early stages. That ship has sailed, if this thing really makes ten percent or so of people need oxygen etc. it is going to be very bad.
That and wrapping up leftovers....
Wait...whoa. Are you trying to say it doesn't?! If you use the regular foil and not the freezer stuff, you get much better results (I heard from a friend...)
That and wrapping up leftovers....
Hopefully you are correct.
But that's actually something you should worry about - getting food poisioning from badly wrapped up leftovers is more common than picking up the CoronaVirus....
Maybe I am a nut with this thing, but, Korea is over 1500, one case in Italy became hundreds.
Why wouldn't this person lead to more cases and the inevitable people who will be showing up this week in hospitals have infected many many more. This coming up positive today after being sick or at least a week, AND was in two hospitals and no one knew, proves to me this virus is out there, likely all over the US
In my opinion, there is no one on Earth who knows how this is going to play out. It would fill me with more confidence if the US could actually know what is going on and would have had the ability to be aggressive with that knowledge in the early stages. That ship has sailed, if this thing really makes ten percent or so of people need oxygen etc. it is going to be very bad.
Maybe it is out there and will spread in the US but over reacting with hyper fear doesn't do anything but overshadow legitimate warning that people should heed. The more panic there is the less effective people will be when giving genuine specific warnings.
But that's actually something you should worry about - getting food poisioning from badly wrapped up leftovers is more common than picking up the CoronaVirus....
Yeah, but unless you're ordering from Papa John's the likelihood of that pizza killing you is probably nowhere near 2%.
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think its tin foil stuff all you want.
Maybe I am a nut with this thing, but, Korea is over 1500, one case in Italy became hundreds.
Why wouldn't this person lead to more cases and the inevitable people who will be showing up this week in hospitals have infected many many more. This coming up positive today after being sick or at least a week, AND was in two hospitals and no one knew, proves to me this virus is out there, likely all over the US
In my opinion, there is no one on Earth who knows how this is going to play out. It would fill me with more confidence if the US could actually know what is going on and would have had the ability to be aggressive with that knowledge in the early stages. That ship has sailed, if this thing really makes ten percent or so of people need oxygen etc. it is going to be very bad.
Maybe it is out there and will spread in the US but over reacting with hyper fear doesn't do anything but overshadow legitimate warning that people should heed. The more panic there is the less effective people will be when giving genuine specific warnings.
Of course, although I don't think I have said anything that is not fact.
Panic and social disruption is actually what will likely be the most dangerous thing of a virulent pandemic.
Still would like to know why other countries can quickly mass test, and this one can't.
The vast, vast majority of people aren’t dying from this.
The estimated fatality rate is 2%. That is alarming. Epidemiologists estimate that this virus could effect 40-70% of the worlds pop in the next year. Even taking the lower number, that means 70 million dead if that rate holds. That is disastrous.
But that's actually something you should worry about - getting food poisioning from badly wrapped up leftovers is more common than picking up the CoronaVirus....
That is a ridiculous comment. Sure, no one is picking it up in the US, BECAUSE IT'S NOT HERE YET! It will get here, and it will spread quickly. It's unsourced spread has experts very concerned, but I guess that's tinfoil hat stuff.
Find out what plans your employer has to limit exposure, like working from home. Find out what your kids' schools have planned, as in smaller class sizes or even online classes.
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The vast, vast majority of people aren’t dying from this.
The estimated fatality rate is 2%. That is alarming. Epidemiologists estimate that this virus could effect 40-70% of the worlds pop in the next year. Even taking the lower number, that means 70 million dead if that rate holds. That is disastrous.
I not saying it isn't concerning but I also think right now there has to be large numbers of infected people that haven't been tested which would logically lower that 2% number if they were.
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The vast, vast majority of people aren’t dying from this.
The estimated fatality rate is 2%. That is alarming. Epidemiologists estimate that this virus could effect 40-70% of the worlds pop in the next year. Even taking the lower number, that means 70 million dead if that rate holds. That is disastrous.
I not saying it isn't concerning but I also think right now there has to be large numbers of infected people that haven't been tested which would logically lower that 2% number if they were.
This is my hope as well, but frankly, no one knows.
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The vast, vast majority of people aren’t dying from this.
The estimated fatality rate is 2%. That is alarming. Epidemiologists estimate that this virus could effect 40-70% of the worlds pop in the next year. Even taking the lower number, that means 70 million dead if that rate holds. That is disastrous.
I probably say this here every day, but nobody ever believes me.
That 2% number is very misleading because it’s pretty much the epicenter numbers. Outside of a Wuhan/Hubei, the mortality rate, even in other parts of China, is very low. Again I have to add the disclaimer that I’m not trying to minimize the seriousness of the spread of infection but just to clarify that using the 2% death rate and, especially, extrapolating that to numbers of world-wide deaths is unnecessarily fear-mongering (imv).
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pizza from two days ago still looks fresh.
But that's actually something you should worry about - getting food poisioning from badly wrapped up leftovers is more common than picking up the CoronaVirus....
That is a ridiculous comment. Sure, no one is picking it up in the US, BECAUSE IT'S NOT HERE YET! It will get here, and it will spread quickly. It's unsourced spread has experts very concerned, but I guess that's tinfoil hat stuff.
Sure it is a ridiculous comments - and so are the over the top reactions. From the take that the US can't mass test and is operating like a 3rd world country in its response to the idea one person will get the virus and next thing you know millions will be sick.
What people need to be worried about in new viruses or outbreaks is the mortality rate of "healthy" people or those between the ages of 10 and 70. The Flu outbreak of 1918 was very bad because there were a fair number of people in their 30's and 40's who succumbed to the outbreak.
The Coronavirus is not looking like that right now. It is looking like a bad proposition for the very young and the elderly. And the claims that it will kill millions very shortly is really overblown.
Meanwhile, the regular flu will kill 40,000 or more each year.
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The vast, vast majority of people aren’t dying from this.
The estimated fatality rate is 2%. That is alarming. Epidemiologists estimate that this virus could effect 40-70% of the worlds pop in the next year. Even taking the lower number, that means 70 million dead if that rate holds. That is disastrous.
I probably say this here every day, but nobody ever believes me.
That 2% number is very misleading because it’s pretty much the epicenter numbers. Outside of a Wuhan/Hubei, the mortality rate, even in other parts of China, is very low. Again I have to add the disclaimer that I’m not trying to minimize the seriousness of the spread of infection but just to clarify that using the 2% death rate and, especially, extrapolating that to numbers of world-wide deaths is unnecessarily fear-mongering (imv).
people believe you plenty. the info you provided on the testing issue with the qc protocol was very informative. thank you for that. some, however, including me, legitimately believe that you're downplaying the significance of the virus being ~20x more deadly. that doesn't mean bc i think that everyone needs to panic. it doesn't mean i'm saying doom and gloom. you can have and give an alternative perspective but just because some people disagree with you doesn't mean they anything other than that your opinion is not the only possible correct perspective. now as to the % being less than 2%, that's great news. can you share your sources?
i'm also aware as found out in ebola situation the govt in certain situations is actually allowed to lie to people about numbers and where people are being treated so long as it is in the public interest to prevent civil unrest or otherwise impede the ability to provide necessary medical care.
Bill, how likely is it (or unlikely) that the virus has mutated in an adverse way in Italy? And why aren't we following what Israel is doing with those who've recently been there?
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tested negative for flu
The OP does not say that.
Since he's a troll that keeps posting about the virus - and likely made up the account above.
I’m not trying to be an alarmist and I have a healthy skepticism of the media but when reasonable countries start with these measures something is up. Japan has a first rate medical system and closing schools means they are legitimately afraid, I think some concern should be shared here as well and not brushed off
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tested negative for flu
The OP does not say that.
I meant the guy in california I was talking about. My mistake
Trusting the NYT....Why would the CDC say they couldn't test for it? It is not their choice, is it? Wouldn't the treating physician have the right to test for anything he wanted?
This has the potential to be a nightmare.
It's basically a rehash of all the talking points this schmuck has been telling the board for the past two weeks and yet, it doesn't seem to sound like other actually documented cases or accounts.
The troll is strong with this fuckwit.
A troll is someone who harasses a person or a group with insults/slurs or knowingly false information. All I did was present numbers about mortality rate, which were correct, and remain correct to this day. We are all sports fans here and we understand data for the most part and the mortality rate has been 2% from almost day one and hovers around 2% today, as far as we know. Doesn't mean there aren't factors to consider that might make it lower in reality or that it may not drop for a myriad of reasons in the future. but this is what we know. And since it is a static pct, logic tells us it is a data point to take seriously. If the mortality rate was bouncing around we could say that all the data is unreliable, and perhaps throw it out.
As to the account above, I provided plenty of caveats and accurate context and in spite of the unclear authenticity I thought it was interesting to share as there are precious few (or no) first hand accounts from victims coming out of China. This is an outbreak we are all concerned about and any info is helpful. I never insisted this is absolutely true, though i think it is likely a true account as I trust the person who posted it and the ill person is a friend of his friend. Could it be a fake? It might be, but there is a lot of detail here that suggests otherwise to me. If I find out this is fake I will be the first to admit it.
This has the potential to be a nightmare.
it is alarming that what the president says does not match what the cdc says and there are reports that the president is angry at the cdc for statements they have made because of how it will affect the stock market. i think in the end the truth will out, because, as China found out, the virus doesn't care about your politics or your desire for secrecy or a propaganda regime.
This has the potential to be a nightmare.
I have no reason not to believe the CDC. Now - the question becomes, is the CDC accurate and on point here?
This is a rapidly developing situation that started off in a country not well known for sharing information. In addition, even with all of the necessary resources (funding) and information available to them, the CDC (and everyone else) isn't above making mistakes. My greatest fear is that idiots on all sides are going to point at mistakes made here or there and capitalize on them and try to claim they were committed intentionally.
The Fed chair just said the virus could trigger a recession. Some people will see it as obvious - the drop in global productivity and the increase in healthcare costs globally if a pandemic were to break out would have an undeniable negative effect on the global economy. Others are going to point to Yellen trying to manipulate markets for someone's gain.
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Can you trust anything coming out of the US gov't at this point? Sorry to make this political..but half the country won't believe a word coming out of Washington anymore. A culture of lies and misinformation has taken over on both sides.
This has the potential to be a nightmare.
I have no reason not to believe the CDC. Now - the question becomes, is the CDC accurate and on point here?
This is a rapidly developing situation that started off in a country not well known for sharing information. In addition, even with all of the necessary resources (funding) and information available to them, the CDC (and everyone else) isn't above making mistakes. My greatest fear is that idiots on all sides are going to point at mistakes made here or there and capitalize on them and try to claim they were committed intentionally.
The Fed chair just said the virus could trigger a recession. Some people will see it as obvious - the drop in global productivity and the increase in healthcare costs globally if a pandemic were to break out would have an undeniable negative effect on the global economy. Others are going to point to Yellen trying to manipulate markets for someone's gain.
every day there a new countries with cases. Given the apparent infection rate of this virus I think the pandemic is here. Yesterday there were five or so new countries, and they are countries all over the world with less resources in healthcare sector than us. It's spreading worldwide. In such a situation, trust the scientists, period.
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so let's get this straight - a poster who has been going apeshit about the virus since the inception, who has been obsessed with mortality rates and that everyone needs to be on the look out for the pending pandemic has a "friend" who documented the bullshit in the OP.
It's basically a rehash of all the talking points this schmuck has been telling the board for the past two weeks and yet, it doesn't seem to sound like other actually documented cases or accounts.
The troll is strong with this fuckwit.
A troll is someone who harasses a person or a group with insults/slurs or knowingly false information. All I did was present numbers about mortality rate, which were correct, and remain correct to this day. We are all sports fans here and we understand data for the most part and the mortality rate has been 2% from almost day one and hovers around 2% today, as far as we know. Doesn't mean there aren't factors to consider that might make it lower in reality or that it may not drop for a myriad of reasons in the future. but this is what we know. And since it is a static pct, logic tells us it is a data point to take seriously. If the mortality rate was bouncing around we could say that all the data is unreliable, and perhaps throw it out.
As to the account above, I provided plenty of caveats and accurate context and in spite of the unclear authenticity I thought it was interesting to share as there are precious few (or no) first hand accounts from victims coming out of China. This is an outbreak we are all concerned about and any info is helpful. I never insisted this is absolutely true, though i think it is likely a true account as I trust the person who posted it and the ill person is a friend of his friend. Could it be a fake? It might be, but there is a lot of detail here that suggests otherwise to me. If I find out this is fake I will be the first to admit it.
This is priceless, "Tweedle Dee" and Tweedle Dumb" bickering. Gotta say,if it hasn't at least crossed your mind, things like; Georgia Guide stones, NWO,Population Control, Markets,Elections etc ..You're at the very least naive..Oh well..
GTFOH with that story. It's shit like this that is making my 401K go to crap.
GTFOH with that story. It's shit like this that is making my 401K go to crap.
the good news is that your 401k will eventually bounce back.
I'm not saying people shouldn't be aware and take common sense precautions, but it's too early to just assume that 2% of our population is in for a death sentence.
I have come to the conclusion that with any type of potential catastrophe there are certain people that fixate on the worst case possibilities. When I moved to Kentucky I had to get used to tornado sirens and the chance of one touching down. Always a possibility for a deadly outcome each season but highly unlikely. There are some people that with every storm and warning seemed to get overly concerned and get alarmed while most people used appropriate cautions but went about their lives. This reminds me of that. Some people are fixated on the worst, and while that may happen it doesn't mean it's likely to. Be smart, take precautions where one should but at this point no need just yet for hand wringing and panic.
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confirms what I said, person in california could not be tested because CDC said no.
Trusting the NYT....Why would the CDC say they couldn't test for it? It is not their choice, is it? Wouldn't the treating physician have the right to test for anything he wanted?
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locally there was no test ability due to the worthless local tests they sent out.
i heard a cdc public conference call Tuesday night tets has to be mailed to Atlanta where results take one day, lady even mentioned there is a shipping turn around time.
not my friend. no.. he doesn't wind people up. he's an older gentleman and a professional. certainly it is possible it is still fake. But why do you say it is obvious that it wasn't written by someone who has the virus? How do you know that?
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confirms what I said, person in california could not be tested because CDC said no.
Trusting the NYT....Why would the CDC say they couldn't test for it? It is not their choice, is it? Wouldn't the treating physician have the right to test for anything he wanted?
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locally there was no test ability due to the worthless local tests they sent out.
i heard a cdc public conference call Tuesday night tets has to be mailed to Atlanta where results take one day, lady even mentioned there is a shipping turn around time.
there are no reliable tests for this virus yet. i have heard from scientists that the cdc test for the virus has problems and that is one of things they need funding for.
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The vast, vast majority of people aren’t dying from this.
The estimated fatality rate is 2%. That is alarming. Epidemiologists estimate that this virus could effect 40-70% of the worlds pop in the next year. Even taking the lower number, that means 70 million dead if that rate holds. That is disastrous.
I probably say this here every day, but nobody ever believes me.
That 2% number is very misleading because it’s pretty much the epicenter numbers. Outside of a Wuhan/Hubei, the mortality rate, even in other parts of China, is very low. Again I have to add the disclaimer that I’m not trying to minimize the seriousness of the spread of infection but just to clarify that using the 2% death rate and, especially, extrapolating that to numbers of world-wide deaths is unnecessarily fear-mongering (imv).
I'm highly skeptical of the statistics released by the CCP (any government and health institution for that matter). China isn't locking down cities, welding apartment complex doors shut, spraying entire cities, and building dozens of hospitals/quarantine centers over 80,000 cases and 3,000 deaths.
Observing other government actions with new outbreaks, and I think world leaders know the virus is far worse than official reports. Governments around the world are working to contain outbreaks and protect their political, economic, health, and other critical domestic and global systems. Like wars, providing the populace the truth is the first casualty.
I hope that percentage is correct, but I believe the death count in China is far greater than CCP reporting. This is my belief after digging through information and misinformation published over the past five weeks.
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The vast, vast majority of people aren’t dying from this.
The estimated fatality rate is 2%. That is alarming. Epidemiologists estimate that this virus could effect 40-70% of the worlds pop in the next year. Even taking the lower number, that means 70 million dead if that rate holds. That is disastrous.
I probably say this here every day, but nobody ever believes me.
That 2% number is very misleading because it’s pretty much the epicenter numbers. Outside of a Wuhan/Hubei, the mortality rate, even in other parts of China, is very low. Again I have to add the disclaimer that I’m not trying to minimize the seriousness of the spread of infection but just to clarify that using the 2% death rate and, especially, extrapolating that to numbers of world-wide deaths is unnecessarily fear-mongering (imv).
I'm highly skeptical of the statistics released by the CCP (any government and health institution for that matter). China isn't locking down cities, welding apartment complex doors shut, spraying entire cities, and building dozens of hospitals/quarantine centers over 80,000 cases and 3,000 deaths.
Observing other government actions with new outbreaks, and I think world leaders know the virus is far worse than official reports. Governments around the world are working to contain outbreaks and protect their political, economic, health, and other critical domestic and global systems. Like wars, providing the populace the truth is the first casualty.
I hope that percentage is correct, but I believe the death count in China is far greater than CCP reporting. This is my belief after digging through information and misinformation published over the past five weeks.
i think the mortality rate is of great concern but i don't necessarily share your fear that China is hiding the death rate. In fact I am heartened by the possibility that they have unintentionally under reported the infection rate. They may not know how many infections there are, many people may be asymptomatic or may not seek treatment. There is a lot we don't know and I think the 2% to 2.5% mortality rate (which would be catastrophic on a global scale) likely represents the high end of the spectrum.
The US needs to mail a fucking care package to Atlanta to even test.
Why has the US failed when peer nations have not with this capability?
Doesn't matter now, it is out and as stated on this thread fatality rate likely to be lower since so many are walking around undiagnosed.
Thing is, it seems to need medical intervention in ten percent of cases at least. How long will the hospitals of NYC, Chicago,LA and other cities meet that demand for care? There was a WHO doctor speaking the other day about how many ventilators China had in Wuhan hospitals, how many of some type of machine I never heard of that keeps people alive as a last ditch effort at care when things are bleak. He marveled at the number and said western hospitals have no where near this capability in terms of numbers. Now I am no expert. But, my guess is that if many start showing up critically sick in need of care like oxygen AND themselves highly contagious to the care givers, things can get biblical real quick. Could be a society changing event.
This is why China went to Defcon 1 and has done draconian lockdowns. When the health-care system collapses, the.fatality rate is going to go up. Also, patients with other aliments wont be able to get care.
I stand by my statement that for the safety amd well being of the American people,this pandemic requires a war time, comprehensive, organized and creative response to stave off catastrophe.
So not only do you have a friend of a friends take from having the corona virus, you also have scientists on speed dial.
I'd ignore what is coming out of the mouths of politicians and focusing on what the CDC is saying.
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Are you at all open to the possibility your buddy is winding you up? Your post obviously wasn't written by someone who has the virus.
not my friend. no.. he doesn't wind people up. he's an older gentleman and a professional. certainly it is possible it is still fake. But why do you say it is obvious that it wasn't written by someone who has the virus? How do you know that?
What he is describing is wildly different from what the vast majority of people have said. Not even similar.
But glad we could give Ron Hussler the opening to start more shit about conspiracy theories.
The "Woke BBI" is alive and well
a good friend of mine's parents were on the ship (still in quarantine). they are publishing daily updates.
Is the medical community really this stupid?! How could they NOT see this coming?!
Someone was a carrier, got on a plane from China, brought the virus to the USA and infected someone at the airport. Not fucking hard to figure out folks.
Is the medical community really this stupid?! How could they NOT see this coming?!
Someone was a carrier, got on a plane from China, brought the virus to the USA and infected someone at the airport. Not fucking hard to figure out folks.
They did this coming. And have said so several times.
When they say the infection is of unknown origin they mean they can’t trace it back to a specific person who transmitted the disease.
They should coordinate with the friend of a friend of Producer. Tag-team it and really get us the lowdown.
The US needs to mail a fucking care package to Atlanta to even test.
Why has the US failed when peer nations have not with this capability?
Doesn't matter now, it is out and as stated on this thread fatality rate likely to be lower since so many are walking around undiagnosed.
Thing is, it seems to need medical intervention in ten percent of cases at least. How long will the hospitals of NYC, Chicago,LA and other cities meet that demand for care? There was a WHO doctor speaking the other day about how many ventilators China had in Wuhan hospitals, how many of some type of machine I never heard of that keeps people alive as a last ditch effort at care when things are bleak. He marveled at the number and said western hospitals have no where near this capability in terms of numbers. Now I am no expert. But, my guess is that if many start showing up critically sick in need of care like oxygen AND themselves highly contagious to the care givers, things can get biblical real quick. Could be a society changing event.
This is why China went to Defcon 1 and has done draconian lockdowns. When the health-care system collapses, the.fatality rate is going to go up. Also, patients with other aliments wont be able to get care.
I stand by my statement that for the safety amd well being of the American people,this pandemic requires a war time, comprehensive, organized and creative response to stave off catastrophe.
all tests seem to be flawed with false negatives/false positives. But yes we shouldn't be lagging other nations in any aspect of this.
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a good friend of mine's parents were on the ship (still in quarantine). they are publishing daily updates.
They should coordinate with the friend of a friend of Producer. Tag-team it and really get us the lowdown.
It’s all coming together. My wife is half Persian — her mom’s neighbor’s uncle’s friend can handle the Iranian mortality rates. Just need someone with the 411 in Italy.
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Are you at all open to the possibility your buddy is winding you up? Your post obviously wasn't written by someone who has the virus.
not my friend. no.. he doesn't wind people up. he's an older gentleman and a professional. certainly it is possible it is still fake. But why do you say it is obvious that it wasn't written by someone who has the virus? How do you know that?
What he is describing is wildly different from what the vast majority of people have said. Not even similar.
But glad we could give Ron Hussler the opening to start more shit about conspiracy theories.
The "Woke BBI" is alive and well
well he is basically describing a serious case of pneumonia which seems to be what is killing people in the most serious instances. That is how i read it and matches somewhat with the respiratory distress this disease causes.
Pretty convenient that a "first-hand" account (which isn't even a first hand account) somehow not only made its way to you from the friend of a friend, but it is used to spread more hysteria and to exaggerate the situation.
I just don't get the motivation of trolls.
Pretty convenient that a "first-hand" account (which isn't even a first hand account) somehow not only made its way to you from the friend of a friend, but it is used to spread more hysteria and to exaggerate the situation.
I just don't get the motivation of trolls.
i posted it to share what sounded to me like a first hand account from someone who is sick with corona virus. The numbers i provided earlier were all accurate. If you don't like the data I can't help you. But numbers are facts, whether you like them or not. I know we live in an era where numbers, data and facts don't matter to some people, but facts still matter to me. No go back to your hole, little boy.
Pretty convenient that a "first-hand" account (which isn't even a first hand account) somehow not only made its way to you from the friend of a friend, but it is used to spread more hysteria and to exaggerate the situation.
I just don't get the motivation of trolls.
The CEO of Starbucks just announced they have re-opened 85% of their 4,300 stores in China. It may be the end of humankind ... but at least we’ll be caffeinated.
No, I think it means he has had experience dealing with outbreaks and working with HHS and CDC and has some power to enact responses. I think that is why he was given the job to oversee this.
I think that is what you meant. But I would not read anything into his appointment other than that.
first hand means from the person experiencing it. this is a first hand first, person account. i posted the caveats pretty clearly. at this point you are just being argumentative for no apparent reason.
Gee, I wonder!?
My daughter went with her school to Italy as part of an exchange program. We hosted an Italian student in September, and my daughter went there and stayed with them these past two+ weeks. They were in Florence mostly, but also visited Venice, Rome and other cities.
Upon her return, on the news they announced the confirmed cases of coronavirus in Venice.
They got home to Mas. on Friday (the 21st), and many of the kids played sports and went to the HS basketball game Friday night and spent all weekend gallivanting around the state of Massachusetts. Additionally, my daughter who went to Italy has two siblings and they went about their business over the weekend too.
My youngest plays hockey and had hockey games all over New England.
Sunday afternoon one of the parents in a group text of parents from the kids who went texted the superintendent in our town and asked if he was concerned about the coronavirus outbreak in Italy.
he said he was, and all students who went to Italy should stay home Monday.
someone then asked what about siblings?
he said, siblings should stay home too. In fact if students from the trip or students try to go to school they will be sent home.
all until further notice.
Someone asked about the parents? he had no good answer other than "use your judgment".
One person then asked, one of the siblings went to Umass and had already left to return to school, does the parent need to bring that child back?
He said no. His purview is only our town schools. Makes some sense.
But, when you think about it just from those 20 kids from one small town in Massachusetts, maybe 1M people or more were possibly exposed as you exponentially link everyone to everyone they came into contact with and everyone they came into contact with, and everyone they came into contact with, etc.
so, one parent asked about their status, and cited the reported 14 day incubation period, asked if the kids had to be tested, how long were the kids and siblings "quarantined"
He said, he checked with MA and US CDC and all were allowed to return to school Tuesday. That one day, that saved the planet?
I've read similar stories specifically about students and exchange trips (mostly to Italy).
Anyway, point is no one knows shit, no one could have predicted this, and the US general approach to pandemics is among the best in the world.
But anyone making claims positive or negative are very likely doing so for political reasons (whether they are diminishing the threat or exaggerating it).
No one knows. Do your best to prepare and react and IMO that's all anyone should expect.
BTW, if you look at the mortality rates and track it in line with Ebola, SARS, Swine Flu and MERS, it's tracking a little hire than Swine Flu at the same point in time. It's not even in the same galaxy as Ebola. And it's tracking significantly under SARS.
This is being blown way out of proportion. And FMIC has nailed the OP dead to rights.
BTW, if you look at the mortality rates and track it in line with Ebola, SARS, Swine Flu and MERS, it's tracking a little hire than Swine Flu at the same point in time. It's not even in the same galaxy as Ebola. And it's tracking significantly under SARS.
This is being blown way out of proportion. And FMIC has nailed the OP dead to rights.
Thanks for sharing
BTW, if you look at the mortality rates and track it in line with Ebola, SARS, Swine Flu and MERS, it's tracking a little hire than Swine Flu at the same point in time. It's not even in the same galaxy as Ebola. And it's tracking significantly under SARS.
This is being blown way out of proportion. And FMIC has nailed the OP dead to rights.
no FMIC has not and you comparing this virus to Ebola is utterly moronic. The issue with this virus are transmission and infection rates not mortality rates vis a vis Ebola. Ebola is hard to catch, needs to be blood exchange generally, and expresses itself quickly and dramatically. This virus appears to be easy to catch, possibly easier than seasonal flu but with potentially 20x the mortality of seasonal flu.
The US needs to mail a fucking care package to Atlanta to even test.
Why has the US failed when peer nations have not with this capability?
Doesn't matter now, it is out and as stated on this thread fatality rate likely to be lower since so many are walking around undiagnosed.
Thing is, it seems to need medical intervention in ten percent of cases at least. How long will the hospitals of NYC, Chicago,LA and other cities meet that demand for care? There was a WHO doctor speaking the other day about how many ventilators China had in Wuhan hospitals, how many of some type of machine I never heard of that keeps people alive as a last ditch effort at care when things are bleak. He marveled at the number and said western hospitals have no where near this capability in terms of numbers. Now I am no expert. But, my guess is that if many start showing up critically sick in need of care like oxygen AND themselves highly contagious to the care givers, things can get biblical real quick. Could be a society changing event.
This is why China went to Defcon 1 and has done draconian lockdowns. When the health-care system collapses, the.fatality rate is going to go up. Also, patients with other aliments wont be able to get care.
I stand by my statement that for the safety amd well being of the American people,this pandemic requires a war time, comprehensive, organized and creative response to stave off catastrophe.
I heard a report that the test kits distributed in the US were defective so there is a shortage. S. Korea has tested 35000 of its citizens, the US <500. Of course the epidemic is more advance in Korea and the urgency is higher.
Is the medical community really this stupid?! How could they NOT see this coming?!
Someone was a carrier, got on a plane from China, brought the virus to the USA and infected someone at the airport. Not fucking hard to figure out folks.
The CDC has predicted it and has issued serious warnings. It is some politicians who claim the virus has been contained in the US.
Gee, I wonder!?
Yeah...probably. The Chinese leadership certainly had one when they suppressed information about the virus. Maybe planning for something in advance is better than trying to catch up from behind.
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She says she's fine and doesn't even know anyone with the virus. Although everyone is walking around with face masks. She was out of the country when it hit and they kept her in Taiwan until it was deemed safe to come back. Which was two weeks ago. She's back and fine.
BTW, if you look at the mortality rates and track it in line with Ebola, SARS, Swine Flu and MERS, it's tracking a little hire than Swine Flu at the same point in time. It's not even in the same galaxy as Ebola. And it's tracking significantly under SARS.
This is being blown way out of proportion. And FMIC has nailed the OP dead to rights.
no FMIC has not and you comparing this virus to Ebola is utterly moronic. The issue with this virus are transmission and infection rates not mortality rates vis a vis Ebola. Ebola is hard to catch, needs to be blood exchange generally, and expresses itself quickly and dramatically. This virus appears to be easy to catch, possibly easier than seasonal flu but with potentially 20x the mortality of seasonal flu.
Yes, comparing this virus with another virus that requires careful containment is moronic. SMH.
You're an obvious troll. FMIC nailed it. Troll.
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She says she's fine and doesn't even know anyone with the virus. Although everyone is walking around with face masks. She was out of the country when it hit and they kept her in Taiwan until it was deemed safe to come back. Which was two weeks ago. She's back and fine.
BTW, if you look at the mortality rates and track it in line with Ebola, SARS, Swine Flu and MERS, it's tracking a little hire than Swine Flu at the same point in time. It's not even in the same galaxy as Ebola. And it's tracking significantly under SARS.
This is being blown way out of proportion. And FMIC has nailed the OP dead to rights.
no FMIC has not and you comparing this virus to Ebola is utterly moronic. The issue with this virus are transmission and infection rates not mortality rates vis a vis Ebola. Ebola is hard to catch, needs to be blood exchange generally, and expresses itself quickly and dramatically. This virus appears to be easy to catch, possibly easier than seasonal flu but with potentially 20x the mortality of seasonal flu.
Yes, comparing this virus with another virus that requires careful containment is moronic. SMH.
You're an obvious troll. FMIC nailed it. Troll.
Ebola is spread through blood transmission and expresses dramatic symptoms within hours/days. Covid19 spreads like the common cold and may not express symptoms for up to ten days while the subject is infectious. Do you understand the difference? These are facts, not trolling. That is why Covid19 is more dangerous than Ebola. It can spread as widely as seasonal flu with potentially 20 times the fatality rate. Do these numbers make sense to you?
If you contract it and don't have a compromised immune system and are relatively Healthy with proper care and treatment you should be Ok in about 7 days.
The big problem is you immediately become a carrier since this sucker can last in the air for around 14 days. That's why the concern to quarantine patients.
Our Medical infrastructure is superior to China and most of the world. We will be fine.
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for the Coronavirus have a political agenda/leaning?
Gee, I wonder!?
Yeah...probably. The Chinese leadership certainly had one when they suppressed information about the virus. Maybe planning for something in advance is better than trying to catch up from behind.
I certainly feel safe in the hands of a manchild
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She says she's fine and doesn't even know anyone with the virus. Although everyone is walking around with face masks. She was out of the country when it hit and they kept her in Taiwan until it was deemed safe to come back. Which was two weeks ago. She's back and fine.
BTW, if you look at the mortality rates and track it in line with Ebola, SARS, Swine Flu and MERS, it's tracking a little hire than Swine Flu at the same point in time. It's not even in the same galaxy as Ebola. And it's tracking significantly under SARS.
This is being blown way out of proportion. And FMIC has nailed the OP dead to rights.
no FMIC has not and you comparing this virus to Ebola is utterly moronic. The issue with this virus are transmission and infection rates not mortality rates vis a vis Ebola. Ebola is hard to catch, needs to be blood exchange generally, and expresses itself quickly and dramatically. This virus appears to be easy to catch, possibly easier than seasonal flu but with potentially 20x the mortality of seasonal flu.
He specifically said that he was walking about mortality rates in his comparison.
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She says she's fine and doesn't even know anyone with the virus. Although everyone is walking around with face masks. She was out of the country when it hit and they kept her in Taiwan until it was deemed safe to come back. Which was two weeks ago. She's back and fine.
BTW, if you look at the mortality rates and track it in line with Ebola, SARS, Swine Flu and MERS, it's tracking a little hire than Swine Flu at the same point in time. It's not even in the same galaxy as Ebola. And it's tracking significantly under SARS.
This is being blown way out of proportion. And FMIC has nailed the OP dead to rights.
no FMIC has not and you comparing this virus to Ebola is utterly moronic. The issue with this virus are transmission and infection rates not mortality rates vis a vis Ebola. Ebola is hard to catch, needs to be blood exchange generally, and expresses itself quickly and dramatically. This virus appears to be easy to catch, possibly easier than seasonal flu but with potentially 20x the mortality of seasonal flu.
Yes, comparing this virus with another virus that requires careful containment is moronic. SMH.
You're an obvious troll. FMIC nailed it. Troll.
Ebola is spread through blood transmission and expresses dramatic symptoms within hours/days. Covid19 spreads like the common cold and may not express symptoms for up to ten days while the subject is infectious. Do you understand the difference? These are facts, not trolling. That is why Covid19 is more dangerous than Ebola. It can spread as widely as seasonal flu with potentially 20 times the fatality rate. Do these numbers make sense to you?
Just for clarification Ebola is the virus that is spread. Covid-19 is the name of the disease. The virus is called SARS-CoV-2. Think AIDS versus HIV.
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She says she's fine and doesn't even know anyone with the virus. Although everyone is walking around with face masks. She was out of the country when it hit and they kept her in Taiwan until it was deemed safe to come back. Which was two weeks ago. She's back and fine.
BTW, if you look at the mortality rates and track it in line with Ebola, SARS, Swine Flu and MERS, it's tracking a little hire than Swine Flu at the same point in time. It's not even in the same galaxy as Ebola. And it's tracking significantly under SARS.
This is being blown way out of proportion. And FMIC has nailed the OP dead to rights.
no FMIC has not and you comparing this virus to Ebola is utterly moronic. The issue with this virus are transmission and infection rates not mortality rates vis a vis Ebola. Ebola is hard to catch, needs to be blood exchange generally, and expresses itself quickly and dramatically. This virus appears to be easy to catch, possibly easier than seasonal flu but with potentially 20x the mortality of seasonal flu.
He specifically said that he was walking about mortality rates in his comparison.
he was making a more general inference about the danger posed by the virus. As you well know mortality rate alone does not account for how dangerous a virus is to the general population. It doesn't matter that covid19 is not "in the same galaxy" as Ebola in terms of mortality rate. It is more dangerous to the gen pop when you factor in infection/transmission facts and rates with mortality. One could say Ebola is NOT IN THE SAME GALAXY as covid19 in terms of danger posed to the general population. Ebola never caused a quarantine of almost a billion people, Ebola never caused the dow to drop 3000 points, ebola never killed anyone in China, Ebola never spread to 40 countries, EWbola never caused an infection of unknown origin in the United States... i could go on..
i am quoting press accounts which i believe are quoting the centers of disease control directly in reference to the single california case described as "unknown origin". Unknown origin here is being used to mean they do not know how this individual became infected because they have not come into contact with anybody known to be carrying the disease nor anybody returning from affected regions. It is believed that it might be the first case of community transmission in the united states. "unknown origin" is the media and/or the cdc term, not mine.
see.. we agree!
When they say the infection is of unknown origin they mean they can’t trace it back to a specific person who transmitted the disease.
IMVHO, that's complete horseshit.
They only test patients who show symptoms and those who either spent time in China or were exposed to someone who was positively identified. How can the medical community be serious about containing this outbreak with such a restricted threshold for testing?
I don't think it's outrageous to believe that hundreds, if not thousands of Americans are already infected. Most simply don't meet the criteria for testing.
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They did this coming. And have said so several times.
When they say the infection is of unknown origin they mean they can’t trace it back to a specific person who transmitted the disease.
IMVHO, that's complete horseshit.
They only test patients who show symptoms and those who either spent time in China or were exposed to someone who was positively identified. How can the medical community be serious about containing this outbreak with such a restricted threshold for testing?
I don't think it's outrageous to believe that hundreds, if not thousands of Americans are already infected. Most simply don't meet the criteria for testing.
you're probably right that there are unknown infections, maybe 100s. with this virus it seems it may take 10 days for symptoms to manifest. But there is no reliable test and you can't test 350 million people anyway.
If you contract it and don't have a compromised immune system and are relatively Healthy with proper care and treatment you should be Ok in about 7 days.
The big problem is you immediately become a carrier since this sucker can last in the air for around 14 days. That's why the concern to quarantine patients.
Our Medical infrastructure is superior to China and most of the world. We will be fine.
2% is 2%. People over 70 or under 6 are just as valuable as anyone. Are you suggesting it would be worse if everyone was equally vulnerable with the same overall average?
Is the medical community really this stupid?! How could they NOT see this coming?!
Someone was a carrier, got on a plane from China, brought the virus to the USA and infected someone at the airport. Not fucking hard to figure out folks.
Stop assuming governmental agencies you took for granted are actually functional, staffed, or funded (or are not lead by someone who's sole purpose is to deconstruct them for private profits).
It's a motherfucking ATROCITY that the CDC can only conduct hundreds of tests a day when orders of magnitudes more are being done in other countries on a daily basis.
But don't blame the fucking rank and file of the CDC who have been there for years
If you contract it and don't have a compromised immune system and are relatively Healthy with proper care and treatment you should be Ok in about 7 days.
The big problem is you immediately become a carrier since this sucker can last in the air for around 14 days. That's why the concern to quarantine patients.
Our Medical infrastructure is superior to China and most of the world. We will be fine.
People are so fucking short sighted. Worried about their fucking 401k, and whether they themselves will die....
The point is the SPREAD. Great, you might get Coronavirus and not die -- but in the process, you'll spread it to multiple other people. THAT is the issue.
People contextualize a 2% mortality rate by saying "hey chances are it won't be me, plus I'm not old!!". They think of it out of 100 - not out of the global context.
But yeah bro, you're totally right, autocratic authoritarian governments are just shutting down entire cities and fucking up their economy (and the entire worlds) for shits and giggles bc of "THE MEDIA111"
Give me a fucking break.
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This strain of Flu ...that's what it is the Flu not Ebola- has a 2% mortality rate once infected. The number gets skewed because if your over 70 the rate is 10-15% , kids under 6 its about 6%.
If you contract it and don't have a compromised immune system and are relatively Healthy with proper care and treatment you should be Ok in about 7 days.
The big problem is you immediately become a carrier since this sucker can last in the air for around 14 days. That's why the concern to quarantine patients.
Our Medical infrastructure is superior to China and most of the world. We will be fine.
You got parents? Grandparents?
People are so fucking short sighted. Worried about their fucking 401k, and whether they themselves will die....
The point is the SPREAD. Great, you might get Coronavirus and not die -- but in the process, you'll spread it to multiple other people. THAT is the issue.
People contextualize a 2% mortality rate by saying "hey chances are it won't be me, plus I'm not old!!". They think of it out of 100 - not out of the global context.
But yeah bro, you're totally right, autocratic authoritarian governments are just shutting down entire cities and fucking up their economy (and the entire worlds) for shits and giggles bc of "THE MEDIA111"
Give me a fucking break.
i agree with you! you might have come on a little strong here but you are 100% right, plus i love sonic youth.
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She says she's fine and doesn't even know anyone with the virus. Although everyone is walking around with face masks. She was out of the country when it hit and they kept her in Taiwan until it was deemed safe to come back. Which was two weeks ago. She's back and fine.
BTW, if you look at the mortality rates and track it in line with Ebola, SARS, Swine Flu and MERS, it's tracking a little hire than Swine Flu at the same point in time. It's not even in the same galaxy as Ebola. And it's tracking significantly under SARS.
This is being blown way out of proportion. And FMIC has nailed the OP dead to rights.
no FMIC has not and you comparing this virus to Ebola is utterly moronic. The issue with this virus are transmission and infection rates not mortality rates vis a vis Ebola. Ebola is hard to catch, needs to be blood exchange generally, and expresses itself quickly and dramatically. This virus appears to be easy to catch, possibly easier than seasonal flu but with potentially 20x the mortality of seasonal flu.
Yes, comparing this virus with another virus that requires careful containment is moronic. SMH.
You're an obvious troll. FMIC nailed it. Troll.
Ebola is spread through blood transmission and expresses dramatic symptoms within hours/days. Covid19 spreads like the common cold and may not express symptoms for up to ten days while the subject is infectious. Do you understand the difference? These are facts, not trolling. That is why Covid19 is more dangerous than Ebola. It can spread as widely as seasonal flu with potentially 20 times the fatality rate. Do these numbers make sense to you?
You’re telling me Corona is more dangerous then Ebola? You’re being purposefully obtuse. Ebola is a death sentence for just about anyone. No matter the health or age of the recipient. Just because one spreads easier does not make it more dangerous. Ebola is without question more dangerous virus. It kills within days. Corona Virus might spread easier, but that does NOT make it more dangerous. The mortality rates are not even comparable.
You are trolling. Your logic is flawed. And why I’m wasting my time even debating this with you is harder to explain then the fact that Ebola is more dangerous the Corona.
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She says she's fine and doesn't even know anyone with the virus. Although everyone is walking around with face masks. She was out of the country when it hit and they kept her in Taiwan until it was deemed safe to come back. Which was two weeks ago. She's back and fine.
BTW, if you look at the mortality rates and track it in line with Ebola, SARS, Swine Flu and MERS, it's tracking a little hire than Swine Flu at the same point in time. It's not even in the same galaxy as Ebola. And it's tracking significantly under SARS.
This is being blown way out of proportion. And FMIC has nailed the OP dead to rights.
no FMIC has not and you comparing this virus to Ebola is utterly moronic. The issue with this virus are transmission and infection rates not mortality rates vis a vis Ebola. Ebola is hard to catch, needs to be blood exchange generally, and expresses itself quickly and dramatically. This virus appears to be easy to catch, possibly easier than seasonal flu but with potentially 20x the mortality of seasonal flu.
Yes, comparing this virus with another virus that requires careful containment is moronic. SMH.
You're an obvious troll. FMIC nailed it. Troll.
Ebola is spread through blood transmission and expresses dramatic symptoms within hours/days. Covid19 spreads like the common cold and may not express symptoms for up to ten days while the subject is infectious. Do you understand the difference? These are facts, not trolling. That is why Covid19 is more dangerous than Ebola. It can spread as widely as seasonal flu with potentially 20 times the fatality rate. Do these numbers make sense to you?
You’re telling me Corona is more dangerous then Ebola? You’re being purposefully obtuse. Ebola is a death sentence for just about anyone. No matter the health or age of the recipient. Just because one spreads easier does not make it more dangerous. Ebola is without question more dangerous virus. It kills within days. Corona Virus might spread easier, but that does NOT make it more dangerous. The mortality rates are not even comparable.
You are trolling. Your logic is flawed. And why I’m wasting my time even debating this with you is harder to explain then the fact that Ebola is more dangerous the Corona.
but the difference is that you will never come in contact with Ebola. It is not a threat to 95% of the planet. it is easy to contain and hard to transmit. Covid-19 is a much greater threat to the general population. You and I have a chance to catch it - a high chance. There is a new study out of Harvard that predicts 40% to 70% of all adults worldwide WILL be infected with Covid-19 - linked below.
I ask you, what would you rather have a 0.001% chance to have a 60% chance of dying. Or a 50% chance of having a 2% chance of dying. The answer is you would rather take your chances of catching Ebola - because it is never going to happen. I have tried to explain this as gently as possible. What i have said here is logic. Not trolling.
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check what the rate is for the majority of the population, and not the elderly.
It is less than 1% for the vast majority of the population, yet you make it seem like a death sentence.
Let me ask you this - on a football board why are you exclusively posting on this subject after signing up last month??
check what the rate is for the majority of the population, and not the elderly.
It is less than 1% for the vast majority of the population, yet you make it seem like a death sentence.
Let me ask you this - on a football board why are you exclusively posting on this subject after signing up last month??
Likelihood of being a dupe = the same chance that Dorsey Levens was good vs. the Eagles.
check what the rate is for the majority of the population, and not the elderly.
It is less than 1% for the vast majority of the population, yet you make it seem like a death sentence.
Let me ask you this - on a football board why are you exclusively posting on this subject after signing up last month??
so if it skews to the elderly that's ok? I hope as we get more cases it goes down, but so far it hasn't. It's a dangerous virus. Are you upset that your boy looks like a fucking retard? Every single point I have made has been valid and clear, and you keep attacking me. What gives?
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really seem to be fucking dense about the 2% mortality rate.
check what the rate is for the majority of the population, and not the elderly.
It is less than 1% for the vast majority of the population, yet you make it seem like a death sentence.
Let me ask you this - on a football board why are you exclusively posting on this subject after signing up last month??
so if it skews to the elderly that's ok? I hope as we get more cases it goes down, but so far it hasn't. It's a dangerous virus. Are you upset that your boy looks like a fucking retard? Every single point I have made has been valid and clear, and you keep attacking me. What gives?
Retard, really?
Stop assuming governmental agencies you took for granted are actually functional, staffed, or funded (or are not lead by someone who's sole purpose is to deconstruct them for private profits).
It's a motherfucking ATROCITY that the CDC can only conduct hundreds of tests a day when orders of magnitudes more are being done in other countries on a daily basis.
But don't blame the fucking rank and file of the CDC who have been there for years
How many trillions have we spent in this country to combat afflictions like influenza?
I'm no conspiracy theorist but does anyone actually monitor the money used for research? Are there any standards or assessments put in place to assure that we get SOMETHING for our financial efforts?
And I'm looking past the government. Non-profits, universities; etc. It's cool that all these organizations get this money tax-free but at some point do we start demanding progress? Spanish flu was exactly one century ago. Surely, that would be enough warning and time to come up with a solution, no?
Might as well ask why they haven't cured cancer or heart disease yet while you're at it. Surely they've had enough time and plenty of money to get 'er done, right?
The fact that the virus causing COVID-19 shares fundamental characteristics with the flu is both the good news and bad news. This version of coronavirus is, arguably, a vehicle by which it will become endemic in the human population, as the cold and flu are.
The upshot of which will be that, in the future, we will have "cold, flu and COVID-19 season" instead of just cold and flu season.
Having gained endemic status, this coronavirus will, again arguably, mutate like the flu and require vaccinations to be in constant development, as with the flu.
The current fatality rate is only one factor. The profile of the number of cases that become severe/critical, but the patient survives, is something we don't really know yet.
And, even as we gain knowledge of the profile for this version of COVID-19-causing coronavirus, there will the next mutation of the now endemic virus with which to be concerned.
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The fact that the virus causing COVID-19 shares fundamental characteristics with the flu is both the good news and bad news. This version of coronavirus is, arguably, a vehicle by which it will become endemic in the human population, as the cold and flu are.
The upshot of which will be that, in the future, we will have "cold, flu and COVID-19 season" instead of just cold and flu season.
Having gained endemic status, this coronavirus will, again arguably, mutate like the flu and require vaccinations to be in constant development, as with the flu.
The current fatality rate is only one factor. The profile of the number of cases that become severe/critical, but the patient survives, is something we don't really know yet.
And, even as we gain knowledge of the profile for this version of COVID-19-causing coronavirus, there will the next mutation of the now endemic virus with which to be concerned. atlantic - ( New Window )
yes. thank you. i think it is pretty important in a thread about coronavirus to point out that *experts* think there is a possibility millions will die in the coming years, maybe millions of Americans as well, and I'm being hung for it. Does it matter if half of them will be elderly? Don't we all know elderly people? Aren't we all going to be elderly one day?
Virologists were never dire about the prospects of Ebola being a threat to the general population. Every single virologist I have seen speak or write about this subject, they look and sound like they are going to toss their lunch. Virologists - the ones who know the most about viruses. I am pretty sure there have already been more infections from Covid-19 in the few months of its existence than in the entire history of Ebola. And as with influenza, soon enough there will probably be more deaths from Covid-19 than in the entire history of Ebola. And then there will be exponentially more.
No. Not every point you have made is valid or clear. In fact the OP is a bunch of horseshit and isn't even a first-hand account.
But I give you kudos for calling somebody a retard in one sentence and then asking why you are being attacked in the next one. Just like everything else, consistency isn't really your forte.
yes. thank you. i think it is pretty important in a thread about coronavirus to point out that *experts* think there is a possibility millions will die in the coming years,
This is not focus I agree with. The point of the Atlantic article is that this novel coronavirus may attain endemic status just because it kills relatively few of its hosts.
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yes. thank you. i think it is pretty important in a thread about coronavirus to point out that *experts* think there is a possibility millions will die in the coming years,
This is not focus I agree with. The point of the Atlantic article is that this novel coronavirus may attain endemic status just because it kills relatively few of its hosts.
well yes and no.. it is actually an irony of virology that the seeming deadliest viruses like Ebola don't kill as many as some more benign viruses like seasonal influenza. Why is that? Well one reason is that influenza doesn't rapidly decimate the host the way Ebola does. And in this regard Covid-19 is like the flu. It may take 10 days for the host to show symptoms meanwhile they are infectious. It is sort of a truism of virology that viruses evolve to sustain the host so it can flourish longer and find more hosts. So if Covid-19 mutates, it might become more benign, closer to influenza in terms of mortality rate. That is the good news. The bad news is that virologists i have heard are saying there is no evidence it is mutating -- yet.
Putting this all together. As FMIC and others have indicated we don't know the actual mortality rate. Cases may be under-reported and many may be asymptomatic, and maybe better intervention can mitigate the numbers we have seen. But whatever the mortality rate is, it is something higher than seasonal flu. If it stays static, a big if I know, we potentially have a new flu-like seasonal epidemic/pandemic, with a still much higher mortality rate. That could be catastrophic. I have seen the author of the Harvard study speak. He won't project mortality rate numbers as the virus takes root and becomes endemic. He doesn't know where that goes, nobody does. But let's say it drops to 1%. Among 40% to 70% of the global adult population, that's a big number. Among hundreds of millions of adult Americans, you do the math.
Good link. Those physicians in China are doing heroic work.
Very, very interesting how this doctor basically said China was too slow to react, and how that likely has been the catalyst to the outbreak.
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She says she's fine and doesn't even know anyone with the virus. Although everyone is walking around with face masks. She was out of the country when it hit and they kept her in Taiwan until it was deemed safe to come back. Which was two weeks ago. She's back and fine.
BTW, if you look at the mortality rates and track it in line with Ebola, SARS, Swine Flu and MERS, it's tracking a little hire than Swine Flu at the same point in time. It's not even in the same galaxy as Ebola. And it's tracking significantly under SARS.
This is being blown way out of proportion. And FMIC has nailed the OP dead to rights.
no FMIC has not and you comparing this virus to Ebola is utterly moronic. The issue with this virus are transmission and infection rates not mortality rates vis a vis Ebola. Ebola is hard to catch, needs to be blood exchange generally, and expresses itself quickly and dramatically. This virus appears to be easy to catch, possibly easier than seasonal flu but with potentially 20x the mortality of seasonal flu.
Yes, comparing this virus with another virus that requires careful containment is moronic. SMH.
You're an obvious troll. FMIC nailed it. Troll.
Ebola is spread through blood transmission and expresses dramatic symptoms within hours/days. Covid19 spreads like the common cold and may not express symptoms for up to ten days while the subject is infectious. Do you understand the difference? These are facts, not trolling. That is why Covid19 is more dangerous than Ebola. It can spread as widely as seasonal flu with potentially 20 times the fatality rate. Do these numbers make sense to you?
You’re telling me Corona is more dangerous then Ebola? You’re being purposefully obtuse. Ebola is a death sentence for just about anyone. No matter the health or age of the recipient. Just because one spreads easier does not make it more dangerous. Ebola is without question more dangerous virus. It kills within days. Corona Virus might spread easier, but that does NOT make it more dangerous. The mortality rates are not even comparable.
You are trolling. Your logic is flawed. And why I’m wasting my time even debating this with you is harder to explain then the fact that Ebola is more dangerous the Corona.
but the difference is that you will never come in contact with Ebola. It is not a threat to 95% of the planet. it is easy to contain and hard to transmit. Covid-19 is a much greater threat to the general population. You and I have a chance to catch it - a high chance. There is a new study out of Harvard that predicts 40% to 70% of all adults worldwide WILL be infected with Covid-19 - linked below.
I ask you, what would you rather have a 0.001% chance to have a 60% chance of dying. Or a 50% chance of having a 2% chance of dying. The answer is you would rather take your chances of catching Ebola - because it is never going to happen. I have tried to explain this as gently as possible. What i have said here is logic. Not trolling. You’re Likely to Get the Coronavirus - article - ( New Window )
Why would I care if I'm going to get this virus? I'm a 39 year old healthy adult. The vast majority of people dying are elderly. And even many of them are surviving. I have a chance at dying if I get the flu as well. A 2% chance of dying is gives me a 98% chance of living. That means something would have to go terribly wrong for this disease to kill me. I will GLADLY take my chances with this virus over ever even being in the same CITY as someone that has Ebola. Not too mention, if Ebola ever mutated to an airborn disease, we would lose most of the earths population. THAT is something to worry about.
Again, my sister lives 9 hours away, by car, from Wuhan. She hasn't caught the virus. Nor has anyone she knows personally. While it is a virus that spreads just like the flu, it's not wiping out civilization. And if she catches the virus, chances are I'll see her next Christmas. If she catches Ebola, I'll never see her again. That's the difference.
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She says she's fine and doesn't even know anyone with the virus. Although everyone is walking around with face masks. She was out of the country when it hit and they kept her in Taiwan until it was deemed safe to come back. Which was two weeks ago. She's back and fine.
BTW, if you look at the mortality rates and track it in line with Ebola, SARS, Swine Flu and MERS, it's tracking a little hire than Swine Flu at the same point in time. It's not even in the same galaxy as Ebola. And it's tracking significantly under SARS.
This is being blown way out of proportion. And FMIC has nailed the OP dead to rights.
no FMIC has not and you comparing this virus to Ebola is utterly moronic. The issue with this virus are transmission and infection rates not mortality rates vis a vis Ebola. Ebola is hard to catch, needs to be blood exchange generally, and expresses itself quickly and dramatically. This virus appears to be easy to catch, possibly easier than seasonal flu but with potentially 20x the mortality of seasonal flu.
Yes, comparing this virus with another virus that requires careful containment is moronic. SMH.
You're an obvious troll. FMIC nailed it. Troll.
Ebola is spread through blood transmission and expresses dramatic symptoms within hours/days. Covid19 spreads like the common cold and may not express symptoms for up to ten days while the subject is infectious. Do you understand the difference? These are facts, not trolling. That is why Covid19 is more dangerous than Ebola. It can spread as widely as seasonal flu with potentially 20 times the fatality rate. Do these numbers make sense to you?
You’re telling me Corona is more dangerous then Ebola? You’re being purposefully obtuse. Ebola is a death sentence for just about anyone. No matter the health or age of the recipient. Just because one spreads easier does not make it more dangerous. Ebola is without question more dangerous virus. It kills within days. Corona Virus might spread easier, but that does NOT make it more dangerous. The mortality rates are not even comparable.
You are trolling. Your logic is flawed. And why I’m wasting my time even debating this with you is harder to explain then the fact that Ebola is more dangerous the Corona.
but the difference is that you will never come in contact with Ebola. It is not a threat to 95% of the planet. it is easy to contain and hard to transmit. Covid-19 is a much greater threat to the general population. You and I have a chance to catch it - a high chance. There is a new study out of Harvard that predicts 40% to 70% of all adults worldwide WILL be infected with Covid-19 - linked below.
I ask you, what would you rather have a 0.001% chance to have a 60% chance of dying. Or a 50% chance of having a 2% chance of dying. The answer is you would rather take your chances of catching Ebola - because it is never going to happen. I have tried to explain this as gently as possible. What i have said here is logic. Not trolling. You’re Likely to Get the Coronavirus - article - ( New Window )
Why would I care if I'm going to get this virus? I'm a 39 year old healthy adult. The vast majority of people dying are elderly. And even many of them are surviving. I have a chance at dying if I get the flu as well. A 2% chance of dying is gives me a 98% chance of living. That means something would have to go terribly wrong for this disease to kill me. I will GLADLY take my chances with this virus over ever even being in the same CITY as someone that has Ebola. Not too mention, if Ebola ever mutated to an airborn disease, we would lose most of the earths population. THAT is something to worry about.
Again, my sister lives 9 hours away, by car, from Wuhan. She hasn't caught the virus. Nor has anyone she knows personally. While it is a virus that spreads just like the flu, it's not wiping out civilization. And if she catches the virus, chances are I'll see her next Christmas. If she catches Ebola, I'll never see her again. That's the difference.
Ebola going airborne is a science fiction fantasy. Like HIV going airborne. These aren't realistic possibilities. Unless you live in affected areas, like Kenya AND have a family member you need to care for with Ebola OR you're a healthcare worker in those regions, there is a 99.999999999% chance you will never come in contact with Ebola. This virus, there are plausible mathematical models that predict that you will be infected. This whole argument started because people were saying this was nothing, that it would burn out like SARS. Now, with 50+ countries fighting outbreaks, 4000 points down on the DOW, the possible cancellation of the Olympics on the horizon, the largest quarantine in human history, etc etc.. those naysayers have been proved wrong. That is all I and a few others have been saying. This is not SARS. This isn't going away next week. Now the naysayers are saying, I don't care if I get it.. ok... but that's not what they were saying before. The goal posts have moved. I for one don't want to get it. I'm not living in terror, but I'm 54 with a few health issues. One day soon I will be 65 with worse health issues. It's on my mind. I'm not paralyzed by it but I hope treatments make this virus as relatively benign as seasonal flu.
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She says she's fine and doesn't even know anyone with the virus. Although everyone is walking around with face masks. She was out of the country when it hit and they kept her in Taiwan until it was deemed safe to come back. Which was two weeks ago. She's back and fine.
BTW, if you look at the mortality rates and track it in line with Ebola, SARS, Swine Flu and MERS, it's tracking a little hire than Swine Flu at the same point in time. It's not even in the same galaxy as Ebola. And it's tracking significantly under SARS.
This is being blown way out of proportion. And FMIC has nailed the OP dead to rights.
no FMIC has not and you comparing this virus to Ebola is utterly moronic. The issue with this virus are transmission and infection rates not mortality rates vis a vis Ebola. Ebola is hard to catch, needs to be blood exchange generally, and expresses itself quickly and dramatically. This virus appears to be easy to catch, possibly easier than seasonal flu but with potentially 20x the mortality of seasonal flu.
Yes, comparing this virus with another virus that requires careful containment is moronic. SMH.
You're an obvious troll. FMIC nailed it. Troll.
Ebola is spread through blood transmission and expresses dramatic symptoms within hours/days. Covid19 spreads like the common cold and may not express symptoms for up to ten days while the subject is infectious. Do you understand the difference? These are facts, not trolling. That is why Covid19 is more dangerous than Ebola. It can spread as widely as seasonal flu with potentially 20 times the fatality rate. Do these numbers make sense to you?
You’re telling me Corona is more dangerous then Ebola? You’re being purposefully obtuse. Ebola is a death sentence for just about anyone. No matter the health or age of the recipient. Just because one spreads easier does not make it more dangerous. Ebola is without question more dangerous virus. It kills within days. Corona Virus might spread easier, but that does NOT make it more dangerous. The mortality rates are not even comparable.
You are trolling. Your logic is flawed. And why I’m wasting my time even debating this with you is harder to explain then the fact that Ebola is more dangerous the Corona.
but the difference is that you will never come in contact with Ebola. It is not a threat to 95% of the planet. it is easy to contain and hard to transmit. Covid-19 is a much greater threat to the general population. You and I have a chance to catch it - a high chance. There is a new study out of Harvard that predicts 40% to 70% of all adults worldwide WILL be infected with Covid-19 - linked below.
I ask you, what would you rather have a 0.001% chance to have a 60% chance of dying. Or a 50% chance of having a 2% chance of dying. The answer is you would rather take your chances of catching Ebola - because it is never going to happen. I have tried to explain this as gently as possible. What i have said here is logic. Not trolling. You’re Likely to Get the Coronavirus - article - ( New Window )
Why would I care if I'm going to get this virus? I'm a 39 year old healthy adult. The vast majority of people dying are elderly. And even many of them are surviving. I have a chance at dying if I get the flu as well. A 2% chance of dying is gives me a 98% chance of living. That means something would have to go terribly wrong for this disease to kill me. I will GLADLY take my chances with this virus over ever even being in the same CITY as someone that has Ebola. Not too mention, if Ebola ever mutated to an airborn disease, we would lose most of the earths population. THAT is something to worry about.
Again, my sister lives 9 hours away, by car, from Wuhan. She hasn't caught the virus. Nor has anyone she knows personally. While it is a virus that spreads just like the flu, it's not wiping out civilization. And if she catches the virus, chances are I'll see her next Christmas. If she catches Ebola, I'll never see her again. That's the difference.
Ebola going airborne is a science fiction fantasy. Like HIV going airborne. These aren't realistic possibilities. Unless you live in affected areas, like Kenya AND have a family member you need to care for with Ebola OR you're a healthcare worker in those regions, there is a 99.999999999% chance you will never come in contact with Ebola. This virus, there are plausible mathematical models that predict that you will be infected. This whole argument started because people were saying this was nothing, that it would burn out like SARS. Now, with 50+ countries fighting outbreaks, 4000 points down on the DOW, the possible cancellation of the Olympics on the horizon, the largest quarantine in human history, etc etc.. those naysayers have been proved wrong. That is all I and a few others have been saying. This is not SARS. This isn't going away next week. Now the naysayers are saying, I don't care if I get it.. ok... but that's not what they were saying before. The goal posts have moved. I for one don't want to get it. I'm not living in terror, but I'm 54 with a few health issues. One day soon I will be 65 with worse health issues. It's on my mind. I'm not paralyzed by it but I hope treatments make this virus as relatively benign as seasonal flu.
By the time you're 65 this virus will most likely be treated and vaccinated for like our most standard seasonal viruses. They are already making great strides on getting a handle on it and it's only been around a few weeks.
Look at AIDS. People thought they would never be able to stop or slow it down. I have two friends with AIDS and both of them live perfectly normal lives. One of them was near death and they brought him back to the point where the virus is undetectable in his system.
This virus doesn't show any signs of being the grim reaper virus you are equating it to. The main point you're getting across is that it's spreading like the flu. We get that. But it's not wiping out civilization.
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She says she's fine and doesn't even know anyone with the virus. Although everyone is walking around with face masks. She was out of the country when it hit and they kept her in Taiwan until it was deemed safe to come back. Which was two weeks ago. She's back and fine.
BTW, if you look at the mortality rates and track it in line with Ebola, SARS, Swine Flu and MERS, it's tracking a little hire than Swine Flu at the same point in time. It's not even in the same galaxy as Ebola. And it's tracking significantly under SARS.
This is being blown way out of proportion. And FMIC has nailed the OP dead to rights.
no FMIC has not and you comparing this virus to Ebola is utterly moronic. The issue with this virus are transmission and infection rates not mortality rates vis a vis Ebola. Ebola is hard to catch, needs to be blood exchange generally, and expresses itself quickly and dramatically. This virus appears to be easy to catch, possibly easier than seasonal flu but with potentially 20x the mortality of seasonal flu.
Yes, comparing this virus with another virus that requires careful containment is moronic. SMH.
You're an obvious troll. FMIC nailed it. Troll.
Ebola is spread through blood transmission and expresses dramatic symptoms within hours/days. Covid19 spreads like the common cold and may not express symptoms for up to ten days while the subject is infectious. Do you understand the difference? These are facts, not trolling. That is why Covid19 is more dangerous than Ebola. It can spread as widely as seasonal flu with potentially 20 times the fatality rate. Do these numbers make sense to you?
You’re telling me Corona is more dangerous then Ebola? You’re being purposefully obtuse. Ebola is a death sentence for just about anyone. No matter the health or age of the recipient. Just because one spreads easier does not make it more dangerous. Ebola is without question more dangerous virus. It kills within days. Corona Virus might spread easier, but that does NOT make it more dangerous. The mortality rates are not even comparable.
You are trolling. Your logic is flawed. And why I’m wasting my time even debating this with you is harder to explain then the fact that Ebola is more dangerous the Corona.
but the difference is that you will never come in contact with Ebola. It is not a threat to 95% of the planet. it is easy to contain and hard to transmit. Covid-19 is a much greater threat to the general population. You and I have a chance to catch it - a high chance. There is a new study out of Harvard that predicts 40% to 70% of all adults worldwide WILL be infected with Covid-19 - linked below.
I ask you, what would you rather have a 0.001% chance to have a 60% chance of dying. Or a 50% chance of having a 2% chance of dying. The answer is you would rather take your chances of catching Ebola - because it is never going to happen. I have tried to explain this as gently as possible. What i have said here is logic. Not trolling. You’re Likely to Get the Coronavirus - article - ( New Window )
Why would I care if I'm going to get this virus? I'm a 39 year old healthy adult. The vast majority of people dying are elderly. And even many of them are surviving. I have a chance at dying if I get the flu as well. A 2% chance of dying is gives me a 98% chance of living. That means something would have to go terribly wrong for this disease to kill me. I will GLADLY take my chances with this virus over ever even being in the same CITY as someone that has Ebola. Not too mention, if Ebola ever mutated to an airborn disease, we would lose most of the earths population. THAT is something to worry about.
Again, my sister lives 9 hours away, by car, from Wuhan. She hasn't caught the virus. Nor has anyone she knows personally. While it is a virus that spreads just like the flu, it's not wiping out civilization. And if she catches the virus, chances are I'll see her next Christmas. If she catches Ebola, I'll never see her again. That's the difference.
Ebola going airborne is a science fiction fantasy. Like HIV going airborne. These aren't realistic possibilities. Unless you live in affected areas, like Kenya AND have a family member you need to care for with Ebola OR you're a healthcare worker in those regions, there is a 99.999999999% chance you will never come in contact with Ebola. This virus, there are plausible mathematical models that predict that you will be infected. This whole argument started because people were saying this was nothing, that it would burn out like SARS. Now, with 50+ countries fighting outbreaks, 4000 points down on the DOW, the possible cancellation of the Olympics on the horizon, the largest quarantine in human history, etc etc.. those naysayers have been proved wrong. That is all I and a few others have been saying. This is not SARS. This isn't going away next week. Now the naysayers are saying, I don't care if I get it.. ok... but that's not what they were saying before. The goal posts have moved. I for one don't want to get it. I'm not living in terror, but I'm 54 with a few health issues. One day soon I will be 65 with worse health issues. It's on my mind. I'm not paralyzed by it but I hope treatments make this virus as relatively benign as seasonal flu.
By the time you're 65 this virus will most likely be treated and vaccinated for like our most standard seasonal viruses. They are already making great strides on getting a handle on it and it's only been around a few weeks.
Look at AIDS. People thought they would never be able to stop or slow it down. I have two friends with AIDS and both of them live perfectly normal lives. One of them was near death and they brought him back to the point where the virus is undetectable in his system.
This virus doesn't show any signs of being the grim reaper virus you are equating it to. The main point you're getting across is that it's spreading like the flu. We get that. But it's not wiping out civilization.
I never once claimed it was wiping out civilization. The 1918 flu didn't wipe out civilization. Not close. But it was catastrophic. The number of dead was mind-boggling and everyone knew people, many healthy people, who died. Civilization will move, of course.
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I know a little something about it. I know more than you. Three weeks ago when you were claiming it was nothing and that it would go away, I disagreed. You were the one spouting off with too little information, and knowledge. You were wrong, not me. But it's ok to be wrong as long as you can admit it. You my friend, seem to double down on wrong a lot. Sorry I tried to correct your misconceptions. I didn't develop an interest in virology last week, but it seems you did, making broad assertions that were untrue.
Be vigilant, take precautions and don't act like the fucking world is ending.It is a strain of the flu, not some population-leveling disease.
And what I also said - is learn the facts before spreading fear. Three weeks later - and you still are doing the same fucking thing. A dupe and a troll who signed up to discuss a virus.
Who the fuck acts like that?
If you didn't develop an interest in virology last week, you sure sound like an idiot when discussing it. What person with an understanding of virology would spread fear and misinformation instead of sticking with what is known?
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She says she's fine and doesn't even know anyone with the virus. Although everyone is walking around with face masks. She was out of the country when it hit and they kept her in Taiwan until it was deemed safe to come back. Which was two weeks ago. She's back and fine.
BTW, if you look at the mortality rates and track it in line with Ebola, SARS, Swine Flu and MERS, it's tracking a little hire than Swine Flu at the same point in time. It's not even in the same galaxy as Ebola. And it's tracking significantly under SARS.
This is being blown way out of proportion. And FMIC has nailed the OP dead to rights.
no FMIC has not and you comparing this virus to Ebola is utterly moronic. The issue with this virus are transmission and infection rates not mortality rates vis a vis Ebola. Ebola is hard to catch, needs to be blood exchange generally, and expresses itself quickly and dramatically. This virus appears to be easy to catch, possibly easier than seasonal flu but with potentially 20x the mortality of seasonal flu.
Yes, comparing this virus with another virus that requires careful containment is moronic. SMH.
You're an obvious troll. FMIC nailed it. Troll.
Ebola is spread through blood transmission and expresses dramatic symptoms within hours/days. Covid19 spreads like the common cold and may not express symptoms for up to ten days while the subject is infectious. Do you understand the difference? These are facts, not trolling. That is why Covid19 is more dangerous than Ebola. It can spread as widely as seasonal flu with potentially 20 times the fatality rate. Do these numbers make sense to you?
You’re telling me Corona is more dangerous then Ebola? You’re being purposefully obtuse. Ebola is a death sentence for just about anyone. No matter the health or age of the recipient. Just because one spreads easier does not make it more dangerous. Ebola is without question more dangerous virus. It kills within days. Corona Virus might spread easier, but that does NOT make it more dangerous. The mortality rates are not even comparable.
You are trolling. Your logic is flawed. And why I’m wasting my time even debating this with you is harder to explain then the fact that Ebola is more dangerous the Corona.
but the difference is that you will never come in contact with Ebola. It is not a threat to 95% of the planet. it is easy to contain and hard to transmit. Covid-19 is a much greater threat to the general population. You and I have a chance to catch it - a high chance. There is a new study out of Harvard that predicts 40% to 70% of all adults worldwide WILL be infected with Covid-19 - linked below.
I ask you, what would you rather have a 0.001% chance to have a 60% chance of dying. Or a 50% chance of having a 2% chance of dying. The answer is you would rather take your chances of catching Ebola - because it is never going to happen. I have tried to explain this as gently as possible. What i have said here is logic. Not trolling. You’re Likely to Get the Coronavirus - article - ( New Window )
Why would I care if I'm going to get this virus? I'm a 39 year old healthy adult. The vast majority of people dying are elderly. And even many of them are surviving. I have a chance at dying if I get the flu as well. A 2% chance of dying is gives me a 98% chance of living. That means something would have to go terribly wrong for this disease to kill me. I will GLADLY take my chances with this virus over ever even being in the same CITY as someone that has Ebola. Not too mention, if Ebola ever mutated to an airborn disease, we would lose most of the earths population. THAT is something to worry about.
Again, my sister lives 9 hours away, by car, from Wuhan. She hasn't caught the virus. Nor has anyone she knows personally. While it is a virus that spreads just like the flu, it's not wiping out civilization. And if she catches the virus, chances are I'll see her next Christmas. If she catches Ebola, I'll never see her again. That's the difference.
Ebola going airborne is a science fiction fantasy. Like HIV going airborne. These aren't realistic possibilities. Unless you live in affected areas, like Kenya AND have a family member you need to care for with Ebola OR you're a healthcare worker in those regions, there is a 99.999999999% chance you will never come in contact with Ebola. This virus, there are plausible mathematical models that predict that you will be infected. This whole argument started because people were saying this was nothing, that it would burn out like SARS. Now, with 50+ countries fighting outbreaks, 4000 points down on the DOW, the possible cancellation of the Olympics on the horizon, the largest quarantine in human history, etc etc.. those naysayers have been proved wrong. That is all I and a few others have been saying. This is not SARS. This isn't going away next week. Now the naysayers are saying, I don't care if I get it.. ok... but that's not what they were saying before. The goal posts have moved. I for one don't want to get it. I'm not living in terror, but I'm 54 with a few health issues. One day soon I will be 65 with worse health issues. It's on my mind. I'm not paralyzed by it but I hope treatments make this virus as relatively benign as seasonal flu.
By the time you're 65 this virus will most likely be treated and vaccinated for like our most standard seasonal viruses. They are already making great strides on getting a handle on it and it's only been around a few weeks.
Look at AIDS. People thought they would never be able to stop or slow it down. I have two friends with AIDS and both of them live perfectly normal lives. One of them was near death and they brought him back to the point where the virus is undetectable in his system.
This virus doesn't show any signs of being the grim reaper virus you are equating it to. The main point you're getting across is that it's spreading like the flu. We get that. But it's not wiping out civilization.
I never once claimed it was wiping out civilization. The 1918 flu didn't wipe out civilization. Not close. But it was catastrophic. The number of dead was mind-boggling and everyone knew people, many healthy people, who died. Civilization will move, of course.
Good lord. You understand hyperbole as well as virology.
My point is you're acting as if this is the 1918 flu. And to quote you, "The 1918 flu didn't wipe out civilization. Not close. But it was catastrophic."
This is not that.
Is the goal to save BBI from the virus or is this just a way to direct your anxiety to the masses on a subject? Why not post it on a virology board?? Are we supposed to take action or just cower in a dark room with anti-microbial wipes until it passes?
There must be some motivation to sign up on a football board just to be a Good Samaritan, right, Ace?
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Thanks for sharing that. I’ve read and heard some WHO officials just raving about the job China has done managing the outbreak. One guy essentially said if he had to be in one country for this type of health crisis China was his choice. It’s like he was an alien. Or being bribed.
They owe the world the truth. Unfortunately they are incapable of meeting that moral obligation.
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The person on the phone with her told her that at the time we knew of almost 79K cases in all of China... Her response of "orders of magnitude worse", was to that.
Thanks for sharing that. I’ve read and heard some WHO officials just raving about the job China has done managing the outbreak. One guy essentially said if he had to be in one country for this type of health crisis China was his choice. It’s like he was an alien. Or being bribed.
They owe the world the truth. Unfortunately they are incapable of meeting that moral obligation.
Actually I think both are true... Information has not been allowed to leave China, and they do have an moral obligation to share that. On the other hand, China's top down authoritarian structure has allowed them to mobilize the Army, and put a huge region under very strict Marshal Law. They have army personnel trucking in food and delivering it. They also have large number of army doctors and nurses in the region, and they produce the majority of HazMat suits. They were able to ramp up production before most of the world knew what was happening. They have been able to take unprecedented steps to control the disease. Steps that will be nearly impossible to replicate here in the US.
They have taken over sporting arenas and large gymnasiums and converted them into temporary Hospitals, adding over 10,000 more beds.
If people start getting sick here, something like 15% of the population (typical numbers for the flu), we *may* need 100x that number. What is that going to do to the mortality rate if people can't get them.
They have taken over sporting arenas and large gymnasiums and converted them into temporary Hospitals, adding over 10,000 more beds.
I saw the hospital builds. I think jcn posted one of those fast-forward videos that shows them breaking ground and working around the clock to go live in by 2 weeks.