This was re-posted by a friend of mine who says it is from a close friend's friend living in China. That's all I can say about its authenticity. It's a pretty terrifying account if true:
A friend of mine in Asia has apparently contracted the coronavirus. While I have not seen him in a couple of years, I pass along to all of you his desperate posting. Please take heed:
“For the safety of my friends and family and my love of God, I’d like to let everyone know that I believe I’ve contracted the Coronavirus. I may have gotten a bad dose cuz I’m in pretty bad shape. I would like to tell everyone with the little energy I have what this is like for ur protection.
Don’t believe the media, I was absolutely fine, wearing face mask and disinfecting, and as if from nowhere I almost fainted on the street. I went home and in less than 24 hours I was having horrible respiratory problems and have had 3 mild to medium to almost complete respiratory failures so far. The muscle pain are concentrated in the sternum and feel like sudden heart attacks. Also sitting in a position that puts any weight on the area where your lungs feel strained will cause a feeling like your lungs are locked in place.
I haven’t developed a cough, I had nausea and upset stomach, no sore throat and no fever. In the next 48 hours I developed a fever that goes and comes like lightning. Cold air causes respiratory distress BIG TIME, sleeping agents cause respiratory failure so stay away from Tylenol PM or things to help you sleep. When you are weak, the sleeping agent causes a feeling like you’re about to fall into a coma.
Chopping up onions, what sounds like a dumb home remedy, has actually given some relief. Maybe the acidic elements in the onion help, whatever, I’m breathing a little better, not overthinking it.
It SNEAKS UP ON YOU! That’s my most important warning, pay attention to your body, don’t dismiss any small feeling, it’s sudden. I saw pictures of people in wuhan fainting and thought that those were some ignorant people to go outside when they knew they’re sick. I saw a nurse suddenly collapse and thought well why did she come into work?? No. No no no. It sneaks up on you and you have absolutely no idea how the heck you’re suddenly laying on the floor.
I’m in a stage now where I’m fighting to keep myself breathing. Hospitals are turning people away if they didn’t have contact with a Chinese person first. The numbers we are seeing are impossible to be accurate. No way in hell! If the governments are only testing a select few, then how can people like me who are out there be counted in that number? My neighbor’s kid sounds like he’s going to die from the coughing.
Most important for me is I’m not scared in the spiritual sense. I know who’s got my back and I’m good. I want to take a moment to implore those of you who aren’t quite sure of your own convictions to take a moment and reflect on them, because whatever this thing is feels like more than what we are being told. I was holed up in my apartment for almost a month, ordering from the local market which left the food outside my door, and I left once and caught it. The one time I left there were sick people everywhere, literally like a movie. Please, if you ever had any wonder about your life and the possibility That God exists, now may be the time to think about it and ask Him to speak to you and see if you hear something back i can guarantee you will. This will explode soon and your story might be like mine, thinking no way will I catch it, and then you’ve got it... and it’s worse than you imagined.
Last thing, my mom said “I see now how the elderly are dying from this.” I’m sorry to say yes, please watch over your elders. I’m moving around, fighting with all my heart to keep myself from losing consciousness or from respiratory failure. Every time I feel my lungs lock up, I do everything, pace around the room, lay on the floor, get back up, everything so I can to catch my breath again... I have no idea how an older person will be able to do all that if they catch this. Don’t wait too long to bring them in. God bless everyone. If I feel this might get me in trouble with the government I’ll take my FB down.”
That and wrapping up leftovers....
Wait...whoa. Are you trying to say it doesn't?! If you use the regular foil and not the freezer stuff, you get much better results (I heard from a friend...)
That and wrapping up leftovers....
Hopefully you are correct.
But that's actually something you should worry about - getting food poisioning from badly wrapped up leftovers is more common than picking up the CoronaVirus....
Maybe I am a nut with this thing, but, Korea is over 1500, one case in Italy became hundreds.
Why wouldn't this person lead to more cases and the inevitable people who will be showing up this week in hospitals have infected many many more. This coming up positive today after being sick or at least a week, AND was in two hospitals and no one knew, proves to me this virus is out there, likely all over the US
In my opinion, there is no one on Earth who knows how this is going to play out. It would fill me with more confidence if the US could actually know what is going on and would have had the ability to be aggressive with that knowledge in the early stages. That ship has sailed, if this thing really makes ten percent or so of people need oxygen etc. it is going to be very bad.
Maybe it is out there and will spread in the US but over reacting with hyper fear doesn't do anything but overshadow legitimate warning that people should heed. The more panic there is the less effective people will be when giving genuine specific warnings.
But that's actually something you should worry about - getting food poisioning from badly wrapped up leftovers is more common than picking up the CoronaVirus....
Yeah, but unless you're ordering from Papa John's the likelihood of that pizza killing you is probably nowhere near 2%.
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think its tin foil stuff all you want.
Maybe I am a nut with this thing, but, Korea is over 1500, one case in Italy became hundreds.
Why wouldn't this person lead to more cases and the inevitable people who will be showing up this week in hospitals have infected many many more. This coming up positive today after being sick or at least a week, AND was in two hospitals and no one knew, proves to me this virus is out there, likely all over the US
In my opinion, there is no one on Earth who knows how this is going to play out. It would fill me with more confidence if the US could actually know what is going on and would have had the ability to be aggressive with that knowledge in the early stages. That ship has sailed, if this thing really makes ten percent or so of people need oxygen etc. it is going to be very bad.
Maybe it is out there and will spread in the US but over reacting with hyper fear doesn't do anything but overshadow legitimate warning that people should heed. The more panic there is the less effective people will be when giving genuine specific warnings.
Of course, although I don't think I have said anything that is not fact.
Panic and social disruption is actually what will likely be the most dangerous thing of a virulent pandemic.
Still would like to know why other countries can quickly mass test, and this one can't.
The vast, vast majority of people aren’t dying from this.
The estimated fatality rate is 2%. That is alarming. Epidemiologists estimate that this virus could effect 40-70% of the worlds pop in the next year. Even taking the lower number, that means 70 million dead if that rate holds. That is disastrous.
But that's actually something you should worry about - getting food poisioning from badly wrapped up leftovers is more common than picking up the CoronaVirus....
That is a ridiculous comment. Sure, no one is picking it up in the US, BECAUSE IT'S NOT HERE YET! It will get here, and it will spread quickly. It's unsourced spread has experts very concerned, but I guess that's tinfoil hat stuff.
Find out what plans your employer has to limit exposure, like working from home. Find out what your kids' schools have planned, as in smaller class sizes or even online classes.
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The vast, vast majority of people aren’t dying from this.
The estimated fatality rate is 2%. That is alarming. Epidemiologists estimate that this virus could effect 40-70% of the worlds pop in the next year. Even taking the lower number, that means 70 million dead if that rate holds. That is disastrous.
I not saying it isn't concerning but I also think right now there has to be large numbers of infected people that haven't been tested which would logically lower that 2% number if they were.
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The vast, vast majority of people aren’t dying from this.
The estimated fatality rate is 2%. That is alarming. Epidemiologists estimate that this virus could effect 40-70% of the worlds pop in the next year. Even taking the lower number, that means 70 million dead if that rate holds. That is disastrous.
I not saying it isn't concerning but I also think right now there has to be large numbers of infected people that haven't been tested which would logically lower that 2% number if they were.
This is my hope as well, but frankly, no one knows.
No one
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The vast, vast majority of people aren’t dying from this.
The estimated fatality rate is 2%. That is alarming. Epidemiologists estimate that this virus could effect 40-70% of the worlds pop in the next year. Even taking the lower number, that means 70 million dead if that rate holds. That is disastrous.
I probably say this here every day, but nobody ever believes me.
That 2% number is very misleading because it’s pretty much the epicenter numbers. Outside of a Wuhan/Hubei, the mortality rate, even in other parts of China, is very low. Again I have to add the disclaimer that I’m not trying to minimize the seriousness of the spread of infection but just to clarify that using the 2% death rate and, especially, extrapolating that to numbers of world-wide deaths is unnecessarily fear-mongering (imv).
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pizza from two days ago still looks fresh.
But that's actually something you should worry about - getting food poisioning from badly wrapped up leftovers is more common than picking up the CoronaVirus....
That is a ridiculous comment. Sure, no one is picking it up in the US, BECAUSE IT'S NOT HERE YET! It will get here, and it will spread quickly. It's unsourced spread has experts very concerned, but I guess that's tinfoil hat stuff.
Sure it is a ridiculous comments - and so are the over the top reactions. From the take that the US can't mass test and is operating like a 3rd world country in its response to the idea one person will get the virus and next thing you know millions will be sick.
What people need to be worried about in new viruses or outbreaks is the mortality rate of "healthy" people or those between the ages of 10 and 70. The Flu outbreak of 1918 was very bad because there were a fair number of people in their 30's and 40's who succumbed to the outbreak.
The Coronavirus is not looking like that right now. It is looking like a bad proposition for the very young and the elderly. And the claims that it will kill millions very shortly is really overblown.
Meanwhile, the regular flu will kill 40,000 or more each year.
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The vast, vast majority of people aren’t dying from this.
The estimated fatality rate is 2%. That is alarming. Epidemiologists estimate that this virus could effect 40-70% of the worlds pop in the next year. Even taking the lower number, that means 70 million dead if that rate holds. That is disastrous.
I probably say this here every day, but nobody ever believes me.
That 2% number is very misleading because it’s pretty much the epicenter numbers. Outside of a Wuhan/Hubei, the mortality rate, even in other parts of China, is very low. Again I have to add the disclaimer that I’m not trying to minimize the seriousness of the spread of infection but just to clarify that using the 2% death rate and, especially, extrapolating that to numbers of world-wide deaths is unnecessarily fear-mongering (imv).
people believe you plenty. the info you provided on the testing issue with the qc protocol was very informative. thank you for that. some, however, including me, legitimately believe that you're downplaying the significance of the virus being ~20x more deadly. that doesn't mean bc i think that everyone needs to panic. it doesn't mean i'm saying doom and gloom. you can have and give an alternative perspective but just because some people disagree with you doesn't mean they anything other than that your opinion is not the only possible correct perspective. now as to the % being less than 2%, that's great news. can you share your sources?
i'm also aware as found out in ebola situation the govt in certain situations is actually allowed to lie to people about numbers and where people are being treated so long as it is in the public interest to prevent civil unrest or otherwise impede the ability to provide necessary medical care.
Bill, how likely is it (or unlikely) that the virus has mutated in an adverse way in Italy? And why aren't we following what Israel is doing with those who've recently been there?
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tested negative for flu
The OP does not say that.
Since he's a troll that keeps posting about the virus - and likely made up the account above.
I’m not trying to be an alarmist and I have a healthy skepticism of the media but when reasonable countries start with these measures something is up. Japan has a first rate medical system and closing schools means they are legitimately afraid, I think some concern should be shared here as well and not brushed off
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tested negative for flu
The OP does not say that.
I meant the guy in california I was talking about. My mistake
Trusting the NYT....Why would the CDC say they couldn't test for it? It is not their choice, is it? Wouldn't the treating physician have the right to test for anything he wanted?
This has the potential to be a nightmare.
It's basically a rehash of all the talking points this schmuck has been telling the board for the past two weeks and yet, it doesn't seem to sound like other actually documented cases or accounts.
The troll is strong with this fuckwit.
A troll is someone who harasses a person or a group with insults/slurs or knowingly false information. All I did was present numbers about mortality rate, which were correct, and remain correct to this day. We are all sports fans here and we understand data for the most part and the mortality rate has been 2% from almost day one and hovers around 2% today, as far as we know. Doesn't mean there aren't factors to consider that might make it lower in reality or that it may not drop for a myriad of reasons in the future. but this is what we know. And since it is a static pct, logic tells us it is a data point to take seriously. If the mortality rate was bouncing around we could say that all the data is unreliable, and perhaps throw it out.
As to the account above, I provided plenty of caveats and accurate context and in spite of the unclear authenticity I thought it was interesting to share as there are precious few (or no) first hand accounts from victims coming out of China. This is an outbreak we are all concerned about and any info is helpful. I never insisted this is absolutely true, though i think it is likely a true account as I trust the person who posted it and the ill person is a friend of his friend. Could it be a fake? It might be, but there is a lot of detail here that suggests otherwise to me. If I find out this is fake I will be the first to admit it.
This has the potential to be a nightmare.
it is alarming that what the president says does not match what the cdc says and there are reports that the president is angry at the cdc for statements they have made because of how it will affect the stock market. i think in the end the truth will out, because, as China found out, the virus doesn't care about your politics or your desire for secrecy or a propaganda regime.
This has the potential to be a nightmare.
I have no reason not to believe the CDC. Now - the question becomes, is the CDC accurate and on point here?
This is a rapidly developing situation that started off in a country not well known for sharing information. In addition, even with all of the necessary resources (funding) and information available to them, the CDC (and everyone else) isn't above making mistakes. My greatest fear is that idiots on all sides are going to point at mistakes made here or there and capitalize on them and try to claim they were committed intentionally.
The Fed chair just said the virus could trigger a recession. Some people will see it as obvious - the drop in global productivity and the increase in healthcare costs globally if a pandemic were to break out would have an undeniable negative effect on the global economy. Others are going to point to Yellen trying to manipulate markets for someone's gain.
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Can you trust anything coming out of the US gov't at this point? Sorry to make this political..but half the country won't believe a word coming out of Washington anymore. A culture of lies and misinformation has taken over on both sides.
This has the potential to be a nightmare.
I have no reason not to believe the CDC. Now - the question becomes, is the CDC accurate and on point here?
This is a rapidly developing situation that started off in a country not well known for sharing information. In addition, even with all of the necessary resources (funding) and information available to them, the CDC (and everyone else) isn't above making mistakes. My greatest fear is that idiots on all sides are going to point at mistakes made here or there and capitalize on them and try to claim they were committed intentionally.
The Fed chair just said the virus could trigger a recession. Some people will see it as obvious - the drop in global productivity and the increase in healthcare costs globally if a pandemic were to break out would have an undeniable negative effect on the global economy. Others are going to point to Yellen trying to manipulate markets for someone's gain.
every day there a new countries with cases. Given the apparent infection rate of this virus I think the pandemic is here. Yesterday there were five or so new countries, and they are countries all over the world with less resources in healthcare sector than us. It's spreading worldwide. In such a situation, trust the scientists, period.
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so let's get this straight - a poster who has been going apeshit about the virus since the inception, who has been obsessed with mortality rates and that everyone needs to be on the look out for the pending pandemic has a "friend" who documented the bullshit in the OP.
It's basically a rehash of all the talking points this schmuck has been telling the board for the past two weeks and yet, it doesn't seem to sound like other actually documented cases or accounts.
The troll is strong with this fuckwit.
A troll is someone who harasses a person or a group with insults/slurs or knowingly false information. All I did was present numbers about mortality rate, which were correct, and remain correct to this day. We are all sports fans here and we understand data for the most part and the mortality rate has been 2% from almost day one and hovers around 2% today, as far as we know. Doesn't mean there aren't factors to consider that might make it lower in reality or that it may not drop for a myriad of reasons in the future. but this is what we know. And since it is a static pct, logic tells us it is a data point to take seriously. If the mortality rate was bouncing around we could say that all the data is unreliable, and perhaps throw it out.
As to the account above, I provided plenty of caveats and accurate context and in spite of the unclear authenticity I thought it was interesting to share as there are precious few (or no) first hand accounts from victims coming out of China. This is an outbreak we are all concerned about and any info is helpful. I never insisted this is absolutely true, though i think it is likely a true account as I trust the person who posted it and the ill person is a friend of his friend. Could it be a fake? It might be, but there is a lot of detail here that suggests otherwise to me. If I find out this is fake I will be the first to admit it.
This is priceless, "Tweedle Dee" and Tweedle Dumb" bickering. Gotta say,if it hasn't at least crossed your mind, things like; Georgia Guide stones, NWO,Population Control, Markets,Elections etc ..You're at the very least naive..Oh well..
GTFOH with that story. It's shit like this that is making my 401K go to crap.
GTFOH with that story. It's shit like this that is making my 401K go to crap.
the good news is that your 401k will eventually bounce back.
I'm not saying people shouldn't be aware and take common sense precautions, but it's too early to just assume that 2% of our population is in for a death sentence.
I have come to the conclusion that with any type of potential catastrophe there are certain people that fixate on the worst case possibilities. When I moved to Kentucky I had to get used to tornado sirens and the chance of one touching down. Always a possibility for a deadly outcome each season but highly unlikely. There are some people that with every storm and warning seemed to get overly concerned and get alarmed while most people used appropriate cautions but went about their lives. This reminds me of that. Some people are fixated on the worst, and while that may happen it doesn't mean it's likely to. Be smart, take precautions where one should but at this point no need just yet for hand wringing and panic.
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confirms what I said, person in california could not be tested because CDC said no.
Trusting the NYT....Why would the CDC say they couldn't test for it? It is not their choice, is it? Wouldn't the treating physician have the right to test for anything he wanted?
no
locally there was no test ability due to the worthless local tests they sent out.
i heard a cdc public conference call Tuesday night tets has to be mailed to Atlanta where results take one day, lady even mentioned there is a shipping turn around time.
not my friend. no.. he doesn't wind people up. he's an older gentleman and a professional. certainly it is possible it is still fake. But why do you say it is obvious that it wasn't written by someone who has the virus? How do you know that?
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confirms what I said, person in california could not be tested because CDC said no.
Trusting the NYT....Why would the CDC say they couldn't test for it? It is not their choice, is it? Wouldn't the treating physician have the right to test for anything he wanted?
no
locally there was no test ability due to the worthless local tests they sent out.
i heard a cdc public conference call Tuesday night tets has to be mailed to Atlanta where results take one day, lady even mentioned there is a shipping turn around time.
there are no reliable tests for this virus yet. i have heard from scientists that the cdc test for the virus has problems and that is one of things they need funding for.
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The vast, vast majority of people aren’t dying from this.
The estimated fatality rate is 2%. That is alarming. Epidemiologists estimate that this virus could effect 40-70% of the worlds pop in the next year. Even taking the lower number, that means 70 million dead if that rate holds. That is disastrous.
I probably say this here every day, but nobody ever believes me.
That 2% number is very misleading because it’s pretty much the epicenter numbers. Outside of a Wuhan/Hubei, the mortality rate, even in other parts of China, is very low. Again I have to add the disclaimer that I’m not trying to minimize the seriousness of the spread of infection but just to clarify that using the 2% death rate and, especially, extrapolating that to numbers of world-wide deaths is unnecessarily fear-mongering (imv).
I'm highly skeptical of the statistics released by the CCP (any government and health institution for that matter). China isn't locking down cities, welding apartment complex doors shut, spraying entire cities, and building dozens of hospitals/quarantine centers over 80,000 cases and 3,000 deaths.
Observing other government actions with new outbreaks, and I think world leaders know the virus is far worse than official reports. Governments around the world are working to contain outbreaks and protect their political, economic, health, and other critical domestic and global systems. Like wars, providing the populace the truth is the first casualty.
I hope that percentage is correct, but I believe the death count in China is far greater than CCP reporting. This is my belief after digging through information and misinformation published over the past five weeks.
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In comment 14820398 JesseS said:
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The vast, vast majority of people aren’t dying from this.
The estimated fatality rate is 2%. That is alarming. Epidemiologists estimate that this virus could effect 40-70% of the worlds pop in the next year. Even taking the lower number, that means 70 million dead if that rate holds. That is disastrous.
I probably say this here every day, but nobody ever believes me.
That 2% number is very misleading because it’s pretty much the epicenter numbers. Outside of a Wuhan/Hubei, the mortality rate, even in other parts of China, is very low. Again I have to add the disclaimer that I’m not trying to minimize the seriousness of the spread of infection but just to clarify that using the 2% death rate and, especially, extrapolating that to numbers of world-wide deaths is unnecessarily fear-mongering (imv).
I'm highly skeptical of the statistics released by the CCP (any government and health institution for that matter). China isn't locking down cities, welding apartment complex doors shut, spraying entire cities, and building dozens of hospitals/quarantine centers over 80,000 cases and 3,000 deaths.
Observing other government actions with new outbreaks, and I think world leaders know the virus is far worse than official reports. Governments around the world are working to contain outbreaks and protect their political, economic, health, and other critical domestic and global systems. Like wars, providing the populace the truth is the first casualty.
I hope that percentage is correct, but I believe the death count in China is far greater than CCP reporting. This is my belief after digging through information and misinformation published over the past five weeks.
i think the mortality rate is of great concern but i don't necessarily share your fear that China is hiding the death rate. In fact I am heartened by the possibility that they have unintentionally under reported the infection rate. They may not know how many infections there are, many people may be asymptomatic or may not seek treatment. There is a lot we don't know and I think the 2% to 2.5% mortality rate (which would be catastrophic on a global scale) likely represents the high end of the spectrum.
The US needs to mail a fucking care package to Atlanta to even test.
Why has the US failed when peer nations have not with this capability?
Doesn't matter now, it is out and as stated on this thread fatality rate likely to be lower since so many are walking around undiagnosed.
Thing is, it seems to need medical intervention in ten percent of cases at least. How long will the hospitals of NYC, Chicago,LA and other cities meet that demand for care? There was a WHO doctor speaking the other day about how many ventilators China had in Wuhan hospitals, how many of some type of machine I never heard of that keeps people alive as a last ditch effort at care when things are bleak. He marveled at the number and said western hospitals have no where near this capability in terms of numbers. Now I am no expert. But, my guess is that if many start showing up critically sick in need of care like oxygen AND themselves highly contagious to the care givers, things can get biblical real quick. Could be a society changing event.
This is why China went to Defcon 1 and has done draconian lockdowns. When the health-care system collapses, the.fatality rate is going to go up. Also, patients with other aliments wont be able to get care.
I stand by my statement that for the safety amd well being of the American people,this pandemic requires a war time, comprehensive, organized and creative response to stave off catastrophe.
So not only do you have a friend of a friends take from having the corona virus, you also have scientists on speed dial.
I'd ignore what is coming out of the mouths of politicians and focusing on what the CDC is saying.
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Are you at all open to the possibility your buddy is winding you up? Your post obviously wasn't written by someone who has the virus.
not my friend. no.. he doesn't wind people up. he's an older gentleman and a professional. certainly it is possible it is still fake. But why do you say it is obvious that it wasn't written by someone who has the virus? How do you know that?
What he is describing is wildly different from what the vast majority of people have said. Not even similar.
But glad we could give Ron Hussler the opening to start more shit about conspiracy theories.
The "Woke BBI" is alive and well
a good friend of mine's parents were on the ship (still in quarantine). they are publishing daily updates.
Is the medical community really this stupid?! How could they NOT see this coming?!
Someone was a carrier, got on a plane from China, brought the virus to the USA and infected someone at the airport. Not fucking hard to figure out folks.
Is the medical community really this stupid?! How could they NOT see this coming?!
Someone was a carrier, got on a plane from China, brought the virus to the USA and infected someone at the airport. Not fucking hard to figure out folks.
They did this coming. And have said so several times.
When they say the infection is of unknown origin they mean they can’t trace it back to a specific person who transmitted the disease.
They should coordinate with the friend of a friend of Producer. Tag-team it and really get us the lowdown.