This was re-posted by a friend of mine who says it is from a close friend's friend living in China. That's all I can say about its authenticity. It's a pretty terrifying account if true:
A friend of mine in Asia has apparently contracted the coronavirus. While I have not seen him in a couple of years, I pass along to all of you his desperate posting. Please take heed:
“For the safety of my friends and family and my love of God, I’d like to let everyone know that I believe I’ve contracted the Coronavirus. I may have gotten a bad dose cuz I’m in pretty bad shape. I would like to tell everyone with the little energy I have what this is like for ur protection.
Don’t believe the media, I was absolutely fine, wearing face mask and disinfecting, and as if from nowhere I almost fainted on the street. I went home and in less than 24 hours I was having horrible respiratory problems and have had 3 mild to medium to almost complete respiratory failures so far. The muscle pain are concentrated in the sternum and feel like sudden heart attacks. Also sitting in a position that puts any weight on the area where your lungs feel strained will cause a feeling like your lungs are locked in place.
I haven’t developed a cough, I had nausea and upset stomach, no sore throat and no fever. In the next 48 hours I developed a fever that goes and comes like lightning. Cold air causes respiratory distress BIG TIME, sleeping agents cause respiratory failure so stay away from Tylenol PM or things to help you sleep. When you are weak, the sleeping agent causes a feeling like you’re about to fall into a coma.
Chopping up onions, what sounds like a dumb home remedy, has actually given some relief. Maybe the acidic elements in the onion help, whatever, I’m breathing a little better, not overthinking it.
It SNEAKS UP ON YOU! That’s my most important warning, pay attention to your body, don’t dismiss any small feeling, it’s sudden. I saw pictures of people in wuhan fainting and thought that those were some ignorant people to go outside when they knew they’re sick. I saw a nurse suddenly collapse and thought well why did she come into work?? No. No no no. It sneaks up on you and you have absolutely no idea how the heck you’re suddenly laying on the floor.
I’m in a stage now where I’m fighting to keep myself breathing. Hospitals are turning people away if they didn’t have contact with a Chinese person first. The numbers we are seeing are impossible to be accurate. No way in hell! If the governments are only testing a select few, then how can people like me who are out there be counted in that number? My neighbor’s kid sounds like he’s going to die from the coughing.
Most important for me is I’m not scared in the spiritual sense. I know who’s got my back and I’m good. I want to take a moment to implore those of you who aren’t quite sure of your own convictions to take a moment and reflect on them, because whatever this thing is feels like more than what we are being told. I was holed up in my apartment for almost a month, ordering from the local market which left the food outside my door, and I left once and caught it. The one time I left there were sick people everywhere, literally like a movie. Please, if you ever had any wonder about your life and the possibility That God exists, now may be the time to think about it and ask Him to speak to you and see if you hear something back i can guarantee you will. This will explode soon and your story might be like mine, thinking no way will I catch it, and then you’ve got it... and it’s worse than you imagined.
Last thing, my mom said “I see now how the elderly are dying from this.” I’m sorry to say yes, please watch over your elders. I’m moving around, fighting with all my heart to keep myself from losing consciousness or from respiratory failure. Every time I feel my lungs lock up, I do everything, pace around the room, lay on the floor, get back up, everything so I can to catch my breath again... I have no idea how an older person will be able to do all that if they catch this. Don’t wait too long to bring them in. God bless everyone. If I feel this might get me in trouble with the government I’ll take my FB down.”
The US needs to mail a fucking care package to Atlanta to even test.
Why has the US failed when peer nations have not with this capability?
Doesn't matter now, it is out and as stated on this thread fatality rate likely to be lower since so many are walking around undiagnosed.
Thing is, it seems to need medical intervention in ten percent of cases at least. How long will the hospitals of NYC, Chicago,LA and other cities meet that demand for care? There was a WHO doctor speaking the other day about how many ventilators China had in Wuhan hospitals, how many of some type of machine I never heard of that keeps people alive as a last ditch effort at care when things are bleak. He marveled at the number and said western hospitals have no where near this capability in terms of numbers. Now I am no expert. But, my guess is that if many start showing up critically sick in need of care like oxygen AND themselves highly contagious to the care givers, things can get biblical real quick. Could be a society changing event.
This is why China went to Defcon 1 and has done draconian lockdowns. When the health-care system collapses, the.fatality rate is going to go up. Also, patients with other aliments wont be able to get care.
I stand by my statement that for the safety amd well being of the American people,this pandemic requires a war time, comprehensive, organized and creative response to stave off catastrophe.
all tests seem to be flawed with false negatives/false positives. But yes we shouldn't be lagging other nations in any aspect of this.
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a good friend of mine's parents were on the ship (still in quarantine). they are publishing daily updates.
They should coordinate with the friend of a friend of Producer. Tag-team it and really get us the lowdown.
It’s all coming together. My wife is half Persian — her mom’s neighbor’s uncle’s friend can handle the Iranian mortality rates. Just need someone with the 411 in Italy.
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Are you at all open to the possibility your buddy is winding you up? Your post obviously wasn't written by someone who has the virus.
not my friend. no.. he doesn't wind people up. he's an older gentleman and a professional. certainly it is possible it is still fake. But why do you say it is obvious that it wasn't written by someone who has the virus? How do you know that?
What he is describing is wildly different from what the vast majority of people have said. Not even similar.
But glad we could give Ron Hussler the opening to start more shit about conspiracy theories.
The "Woke BBI" is alive and well
well he is basically describing a serious case of pneumonia which seems to be what is killing people in the most serious instances. That is how i read it and matches somewhat with the respiratory distress this disease causes.
Pretty convenient that a "first-hand" account (which isn't even a first hand account) somehow not only made its way to you from the friend of a friend, but it is used to spread more hysteria and to exaggerate the situation.
I just don't get the motivation of trolls.
Pretty convenient that a "first-hand" account (which isn't even a first hand account) somehow not only made its way to you from the friend of a friend, but it is used to spread more hysteria and to exaggerate the situation.
I just don't get the motivation of trolls.
i posted it to share what sounded to me like a first hand account from someone who is sick with corona virus. The numbers i provided earlier were all accurate. If you don't like the data I can't help you. But numbers are facts, whether you like them or not. I know we live in an era where numbers, data and facts don't matter to some people, but facts still matter to me. No go back to your hole, little boy.
Pretty convenient that a "first-hand" account (which isn't even a first hand account) somehow not only made its way to you from the friend of a friend, but it is used to spread more hysteria and to exaggerate the situation.
I just don't get the motivation of trolls.
The CEO of Starbucks just announced they have re-opened 85% of their 4,300 stores in China. It may be the end of humankind ... but at least we’ll be caffeinated.
No, I think it means he has had experience dealing with outbreaks and working with HHS and CDC and has some power to enact responses. I think that is why he was given the job to oversee this.
I think that is what you meant. But I would not read anything into his appointment other than that.
first hand means from the person experiencing it. this is a first hand first, person account. i posted the caveats pretty clearly. at this point you are just being argumentative for no apparent reason.
Gee, I wonder!?
My daughter went with her school to Italy as part of an exchange program. We hosted an Italian student in September, and my daughter went there and stayed with them these past two+ weeks. They were in Florence mostly, but also visited Venice, Rome and other cities.
Upon her return, on the news they announced the confirmed cases of coronavirus in Venice.
They got home to Mas. on Friday (the 21st), and many of the kids played sports and went to the HS basketball game Friday night and spent all weekend gallivanting around the state of Massachusetts. Additionally, my daughter who went to Italy has two siblings and they went about their business over the weekend too.
My youngest plays hockey and had hockey games all over New England.
Sunday afternoon one of the parents in a group text of parents from the kids who went texted the superintendent in our town and asked if he was concerned about the coronavirus outbreak in Italy.
he said he was, and all students who went to Italy should stay home Monday.
someone then asked what about siblings?
he said, siblings should stay home too. In fact if students from the trip or students try to go to school they will be sent home.
all until further notice.
Someone asked about the parents? he had no good answer other than "use your judgment".
One person then asked, one of the siblings went to Umass and had already left to return to school, does the parent need to bring that child back?
He said no. His purview is only our town schools. Makes some sense.
But, when you think about it just from those 20 kids from one small town in Massachusetts, maybe 1M people or more were possibly exposed as you exponentially link everyone to everyone they came into contact with and everyone they came into contact with, and everyone they came into contact with, etc.
so, one parent asked about their status, and cited the reported 14 day incubation period, asked if the kids had to be tested, how long were the kids and siblings "quarantined"
He said, he checked with MA and US CDC and all were allowed to return to school Tuesday. That one day, that saved the planet?
I've read similar stories specifically about students and exchange trips (mostly to Italy).
Anyway, point is no one knows shit, no one could have predicted this, and the US general approach to pandemics is among the best in the world.
But anyone making claims positive or negative are very likely doing so for political reasons (whether they are diminishing the threat or exaggerating it).
No one knows. Do your best to prepare and react and IMO that's all anyone should expect.
BTW, if you look at the mortality rates and track it in line with Ebola, SARS, Swine Flu and MERS, it's tracking a little hire than Swine Flu at the same point in time. It's not even in the same galaxy as Ebola. And it's tracking significantly under SARS.
This is being blown way out of proportion. And FMIC has nailed the OP dead to rights.
BTW, if you look at the mortality rates and track it in line with Ebola, SARS, Swine Flu and MERS, it's tracking a little hire than Swine Flu at the same point in time. It's not even in the same galaxy as Ebola. And it's tracking significantly under SARS.
This is being blown way out of proportion. And FMIC has nailed the OP dead to rights.
Thanks for sharing
BTW, if you look at the mortality rates and track it in line with Ebola, SARS, Swine Flu and MERS, it's tracking a little hire than Swine Flu at the same point in time. It's not even in the same galaxy as Ebola. And it's tracking significantly under SARS.
This is being blown way out of proportion. And FMIC has nailed the OP dead to rights.
no FMIC has not and you comparing this virus to Ebola is utterly moronic. The issue with this virus are transmission and infection rates not mortality rates vis a vis Ebola. Ebola is hard to catch, needs to be blood exchange generally, and expresses itself quickly and dramatically. This virus appears to be easy to catch, possibly easier than seasonal flu but with potentially 20x the mortality of seasonal flu.
The US needs to mail a fucking care package to Atlanta to even test.
Why has the US failed when peer nations have not with this capability?
Doesn't matter now, it is out and as stated on this thread fatality rate likely to be lower since so many are walking around undiagnosed.
Thing is, it seems to need medical intervention in ten percent of cases at least. How long will the hospitals of NYC, Chicago,LA and other cities meet that demand for care? There was a WHO doctor speaking the other day about how many ventilators China had in Wuhan hospitals, how many of some type of machine I never heard of that keeps people alive as a last ditch effort at care when things are bleak. He marveled at the number and said western hospitals have no where near this capability in terms of numbers. Now I am no expert. But, my guess is that if many start showing up critically sick in need of care like oxygen AND themselves highly contagious to the care givers, things can get biblical real quick. Could be a society changing event.
This is why China went to Defcon 1 and has done draconian lockdowns. When the health-care system collapses, the.fatality rate is going to go up. Also, patients with other aliments wont be able to get care.
I stand by my statement that for the safety amd well being of the American people,this pandemic requires a war time, comprehensive, organized and creative response to stave off catastrophe.
I heard a report that the test kits distributed in the US were defective so there is a shortage. S. Korea has tested 35000 of its citizens, the US <500. Of course the epidemic is more advance in Korea and the urgency is higher.
Is the medical community really this stupid?! How could they NOT see this coming?!
Someone was a carrier, got on a plane from China, brought the virus to the USA and infected someone at the airport. Not fucking hard to figure out folks.
The CDC has predicted it and has issued serious warnings. It is some politicians who claim the virus has been contained in the US.
Gee, I wonder!?
Yeah...probably. The Chinese leadership certainly had one when they suppressed information about the virus. Maybe planning for something in advance is better than trying to catch up from behind.
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She says she's fine and doesn't even know anyone with the virus. Although everyone is walking around with face masks. She was out of the country when it hit and they kept her in Taiwan until it was deemed safe to come back. Which was two weeks ago. She's back and fine.
BTW, if you look at the mortality rates and track it in line with Ebola, SARS, Swine Flu and MERS, it's tracking a little hire than Swine Flu at the same point in time. It's not even in the same galaxy as Ebola. And it's tracking significantly under SARS.
This is being blown way out of proportion. And FMIC has nailed the OP dead to rights.
no FMIC has not and you comparing this virus to Ebola is utterly moronic. The issue with this virus are transmission and infection rates not mortality rates vis a vis Ebola. Ebola is hard to catch, needs to be blood exchange generally, and expresses itself quickly and dramatically. This virus appears to be easy to catch, possibly easier than seasonal flu but with potentially 20x the mortality of seasonal flu.
Yes, comparing this virus with another virus that requires careful containment is moronic. SMH.
You're an obvious troll. FMIC nailed it. Troll.
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She says she's fine and doesn't even know anyone with the virus. Although everyone is walking around with face masks. She was out of the country when it hit and they kept her in Taiwan until it was deemed safe to come back. Which was two weeks ago. She's back and fine.
BTW, if you look at the mortality rates and track it in line with Ebola, SARS, Swine Flu and MERS, it's tracking a little hire than Swine Flu at the same point in time. It's not even in the same galaxy as Ebola. And it's tracking significantly under SARS.
This is being blown way out of proportion. And FMIC has nailed the OP dead to rights.
no FMIC has not and you comparing this virus to Ebola is utterly moronic. The issue with this virus are transmission and infection rates not mortality rates vis a vis Ebola. Ebola is hard to catch, needs to be blood exchange generally, and expresses itself quickly and dramatically. This virus appears to be easy to catch, possibly easier than seasonal flu but with potentially 20x the mortality of seasonal flu.
Yes, comparing this virus with another virus that requires careful containment is moronic. SMH.
You're an obvious troll. FMIC nailed it. Troll.
Ebola is spread through blood transmission and expresses dramatic symptoms within hours/days. Covid19 spreads like the common cold and may not express symptoms for up to ten days while the subject is infectious. Do you understand the difference? These are facts, not trolling. That is why Covid19 is more dangerous than Ebola. It can spread as widely as seasonal flu with potentially 20 times the fatality rate. Do these numbers make sense to you?
If you contract it and don't have a compromised immune system and are relatively Healthy with proper care and treatment you should be Ok in about 7 days.
The big problem is you immediately become a carrier since this sucker can last in the air for around 14 days. That's why the concern to quarantine patients.
Our Medical infrastructure is superior to China and most of the world. We will be fine.
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for the Coronavirus have a political agenda/leaning?
Gee, I wonder!?
Yeah...probably. The Chinese leadership certainly had one when they suppressed information about the virus. Maybe planning for something in advance is better than trying to catch up from behind.
I certainly feel safe in the hands of a manchild
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She says she's fine and doesn't even know anyone with the virus. Although everyone is walking around with face masks. She was out of the country when it hit and they kept her in Taiwan until it was deemed safe to come back. Which was two weeks ago. She's back and fine.
BTW, if you look at the mortality rates and track it in line with Ebola, SARS, Swine Flu and MERS, it's tracking a little hire than Swine Flu at the same point in time. It's not even in the same galaxy as Ebola. And it's tracking significantly under SARS.
This is being blown way out of proportion. And FMIC has nailed the OP dead to rights.
no FMIC has not and you comparing this virus to Ebola is utterly moronic. The issue with this virus are transmission and infection rates not mortality rates vis a vis Ebola. Ebola is hard to catch, needs to be blood exchange generally, and expresses itself quickly and dramatically. This virus appears to be easy to catch, possibly easier than seasonal flu but with potentially 20x the mortality of seasonal flu.
He specifically said that he was walking about mortality rates in his comparison.
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She says she's fine and doesn't even know anyone with the virus. Although everyone is walking around with face masks. She was out of the country when it hit and they kept her in Taiwan until it was deemed safe to come back. Which was two weeks ago. She's back and fine.
BTW, if you look at the mortality rates and track it in line with Ebola, SARS, Swine Flu and MERS, it's tracking a little hire than Swine Flu at the same point in time. It's not even in the same galaxy as Ebola. And it's tracking significantly under SARS.
This is being blown way out of proportion. And FMIC has nailed the OP dead to rights.
no FMIC has not and you comparing this virus to Ebola is utterly moronic. The issue with this virus are transmission and infection rates not mortality rates vis a vis Ebola. Ebola is hard to catch, needs to be blood exchange generally, and expresses itself quickly and dramatically. This virus appears to be easy to catch, possibly easier than seasonal flu but with potentially 20x the mortality of seasonal flu.
Yes, comparing this virus with another virus that requires careful containment is moronic. SMH.
You're an obvious troll. FMIC nailed it. Troll.
Ebola is spread through blood transmission and expresses dramatic symptoms within hours/days. Covid19 spreads like the common cold and may not express symptoms for up to ten days while the subject is infectious. Do you understand the difference? These are facts, not trolling. That is why Covid19 is more dangerous than Ebola. It can spread as widely as seasonal flu with potentially 20 times the fatality rate. Do these numbers make sense to you?
Just for clarification Ebola is the virus that is spread. Covid-19 is the name of the disease. The virus is called SARS-CoV-2. Think AIDS versus HIV.
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She says she's fine and doesn't even know anyone with the virus. Although everyone is walking around with face masks. She was out of the country when it hit and they kept her in Taiwan until it was deemed safe to come back. Which was two weeks ago. She's back and fine.
BTW, if you look at the mortality rates and track it in line with Ebola, SARS, Swine Flu and MERS, it's tracking a little hire than Swine Flu at the same point in time. It's not even in the same galaxy as Ebola. And it's tracking significantly under SARS.
This is being blown way out of proportion. And FMIC has nailed the OP dead to rights.
no FMIC has not and you comparing this virus to Ebola is utterly moronic. The issue with this virus are transmission and infection rates not mortality rates vis a vis Ebola. Ebola is hard to catch, needs to be blood exchange generally, and expresses itself quickly and dramatically. This virus appears to be easy to catch, possibly easier than seasonal flu but with potentially 20x the mortality of seasonal flu.
He specifically said that he was walking about mortality rates in his comparison.
he was making a more general inference about the danger posed by the virus. As you well know mortality rate alone does not account for how dangerous a virus is to the general population. It doesn't matter that covid19 is not "in the same galaxy" as Ebola in terms of mortality rate. It is more dangerous to the gen pop when you factor in infection/transmission facts and rates with mortality. One could say Ebola is NOT IN THE SAME GALAXY as covid19 in terms of danger posed to the general population. Ebola never caused a quarantine of almost a billion people, Ebola never caused the dow to drop 3000 points, ebola never killed anyone in China, Ebola never spread to 40 countries, EWbola never caused an infection of unknown origin in the United States... i could go on..
i am quoting press accounts which i believe are quoting the centers of disease control directly in reference to the single california case described as "unknown origin". Unknown origin here is being used to mean they do not know how this individual became infected because they have not come into contact with anybody known to be carrying the disease nor anybody returning from affected regions. It is believed that it might be the first case of community transmission in the united states. "unknown origin" is the media and/or the cdc term, not mine.
see.. we agree!
When they say the infection is of unknown origin they mean they can’t trace it back to a specific person who transmitted the disease.
IMVHO, that's complete horseshit.
They only test patients who show symptoms and those who either spent time in China or were exposed to someone who was positively identified. How can the medical community be serious about containing this outbreak with such a restricted threshold for testing?
I don't think it's outrageous to believe that hundreds, if not thousands of Americans are already infected. Most simply don't meet the criteria for testing.
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They did this coming. And have said so several times.
When they say the infection is of unknown origin they mean they can’t trace it back to a specific person who transmitted the disease.
IMVHO, that's complete horseshit.
They only test patients who show symptoms and those who either spent time in China or were exposed to someone who was positively identified. How can the medical community be serious about containing this outbreak with such a restricted threshold for testing?
I don't think it's outrageous to believe that hundreds, if not thousands of Americans are already infected. Most simply don't meet the criteria for testing.
you're probably right that there are unknown infections, maybe 100s. with this virus it seems it may take 10 days for symptoms to manifest. But there is no reliable test and you can't test 350 million people anyway.
If you contract it and don't have a compromised immune system and are relatively Healthy with proper care and treatment you should be Ok in about 7 days.
The big problem is you immediately become a carrier since this sucker can last in the air for around 14 days. That's why the concern to quarantine patients.
Our Medical infrastructure is superior to China and most of the world. We will be fine.
2% is 2%. People over 70 or under 6 are just as valuable as anyone. Are you suggesting it would be worse if everyone was equally vulnerable with the same overall average?
Is the medical community really this stupid?! How could they NOT see this coming?!
Someone was a carrier, got on a plane from China, brought the virus to the USA and infected someone at the airport. Not fucking hard to figure out folks.
Stop assuming governmental agencies you took for granted are actually functional, staffed, or funded (or are not lead by someone who's sole purpose is to deconstruct them for private profits).
It's a motherfucking ATROCITY that the CDC can only conduct hundreds of tests a day when orders of magnitudes more are being done in other countries on a daily basis.
But don't blame the fucking rank and file of the CDC who have been there for years
If you contract it and don't have a compromised immune system and are relatively Healthy with proper care and treatment you should be Ok in about 7 days.
The big problem is you immediately become a carrier since this sucker can last in the air for around 14 days. That's why the concern to quarantine patients.
Our Medical infrastructure is superior to China and most of the world. We will be fine.
People are so fucking short sighted. Worried about their fucking 401k, and whether they themselves will die....
The point is the SPREAD. Great, you might get Coronavirus and not die -- but in the process, you'll spread it to multiple other people. THAT is the issue.
People contextualize a 2% mortality rate by saying "hey chances are it won't be me, plus I'm not old!!". They think of it out of 100 - not out of the global context.
But yeah bro, you're totally right, autocratic authoritarian governments are just shutting down entire cities and fucking up their economy (and the entire worlds) for shits and giggles bc of "THE MEDIA111"
Give me a fucking break.
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This strain of Flu ...that's what it is the Flu not Ebola- has a 2% mortality rate once infected. The number gets skewed because if your over 70 the rate is 10-15% , kids under 6 its about 6%.
If you contract it and don't have a compromised immune system and are relatively Healthy with proper care and treatment you should be Ok in about 7 days.
The big problem is you immediately become a carrier since this sucker can last in the air for around 14 days. That's why the concern to quarantine patients.
Our Medical infrastructure is superior to China and most of the world. We will be fine.
You got parents? Grandparents?
People are so fucking short sighted. Worried about their fucking 401k, and whether they themselves will die....
The point is the SPREAD. Great, you might get Coronavirus and not die -- but in the process, you'll spread it to multiple other people. THAT is the issue.
People contextualize a 2% mortality rate by saying "hey chances are it won't be me, plus I'm not old!!". They think of it out of 100 - not out of the global context.
But yeah bro, you're totally right, autocratic authoritarian governments are just shutting down entire cities and fucking up their economy (and the entire worlds) for shits and giggles bc of "THE MEDIA111"
Give me a fucking break.
i agree with you! you might have come on a little strong here but you are 100% right, plus i love sonic youth.
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She says she's fine and doesn't even know anyone with the virus. Although everyone is walking around with face masks. She was out of the country when it hit and they kept her in Taiwan until it was deemed safe to come back. Which was two weeks ago. She's back and fine.
BTW, if you look at the mortality rates and track it in line with Ebola, SARS, Swine Flu and MERS, it's tracking a little hire than Swine Flu at the same point in time. It's not even in the same galaxy as Ebola. And it's tracking significantly under SARS.
This is being blown way out of proportion. And FMIC has nailed the OP dead to rights.
no FMIC has not and you comparing this virus to Ebola is utterly moronic. The issue with this virus are transmission and infection rates not mortality rates vis a vis Ebola. Ebola is hard to catch, needs to be blood exchange generally, and expresses itself quickly and dramatically. This virus appears to be easy to catch, possibly easier than seasonal flu but with potentially 20x the mortality of seasonal flu.
Yes, comparing this virus with another virus that requires careful containment is moronic. SMH.
You're an obvious troll. FMIC nailed it. Troll.
Ebola is spread through blood transmission and expresses dramatic symptoms within hours/days. Covid19 spreads like the common cold and may not express symptoms for up to ten days while the subject is infectious. Do you understand the difference? These are facts, not trolling. That is why Covid19 is more dangerous than Ebola. It can spread as widely as seasonal flu with potentially 20 times the fatality rate. Do these numbers make sense to you?
You’re telling me Corona is more dangerous then Ebola? You’re being purposefully obtuse. Ebola is a death sentence for just about anyone. No matter the health or age of the recipient. Just because one spreads easier does not make it more dangerous. Ebola is without question more dangerous virus. It kills within days. Corona Virus might spread easier, but that does NOT make it more dangerous. The mortality rates are not even comparable.
You are trolling. Your logic is flawed. And why I’m wasting my time even debating this with you is harder to explain then the fact that Ebola is more dangerous the Corona.
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She says she's fine and doesn't even know anyone with the virus. Although everyone is walking around with face masks. She was out of the country when it hit and they kept her in Taiwan until it was deemed safe to come back. Which was two weeks ago. She's back and fine.
BTW, if you look at the mortality rates and track it in line with Ebola, SARS, Swine Flu and MERS, it's tracking a little hire than Swine Flu at the same point in time. It's not even in the same galaxy as Ebola. And it's tracking significantly under SARS.
This is being blown way out of proportion. And FMIC has nailed the OP dead to rights.
no FMIC has not and you comparing this virus to Ebola is utterly moronic. The issue with this virus are transmission and infection rates not mortality rates vis a vis Ebola. Ebola is hard to catch, needs to be blood exchange generally, and expresses itself quickly and dramatically. This virus appears to be easy to catch, possibly easier than seasonal flu but with potentially 20x the mortality of seasonal flu.
Yes, comparing this virus with another virus that requires careful containment is moronic. SMH.
You're an obvious troll. FMIC nailed it. Troll.
Ebola is spread through blood transmission and expresses dramatic symptoms within hours/days. Covid19 spreads like the common cold and may not express symptoms for up to ten days while the subject is infectious. Do you understand the difference? These are facts, not trolling. That is why Covid19 is more dangerous than Ebola. It can spread as widely as seasonal flu with potentially 20 times the fatality rate. Do these numbers make sense to you?
You’re telling me Corona is more dangerous then Ebola? You’re being purposefully obtuse. Ebola is a death sentence for just about anyone. No matter the health or age of the recipient. Just because one spreads easier does not make it more dangerous. Ebola is without question more dangerous virus. It kills within days. Corona Virus might spread easier, but that does NOT make it more dangerous. The mortality rates are not even comparable.
You are trolling. Your logic is flawed. And why I’m wasting my time even debating this with you is harder to explain then the fact that Ebola is more dangerous the Corona.
but the difference is that you will never come in contact with Ebola. It is not a threat to 95% of the planet. it is easy to contain and hard to transmit. Covid-19 is a much greater threat to the general population. You and I have a chance to catch it - a high chance. There is a new study out of Harvard that predicts 40% to 70% of all adults worldwide WILL be infected with Covid-19 - linked below.
I ask you, what would you rather have a 0.001% chance to have a 60% chance of dying. Or a 50% chance of having a 2% chance of dying. The answer is you would rather take your chances of catching Ebola - because it is never going to happen. I have tried to explain this as gently as possible. What i have said here is logic. Not trolling.
You’re Likely to Get the Coronavirus - article - ( New Window )
check what the rate is for the majority of the population, and not the elderly.
It is less than 1% for the vast majority of the population, yet you make it seem like a death sentence.
Let me ask you this - on a football board why are you exclusively posting on this subject after signing up last month??
check what the rate is for the majority of the population, and not the elderly.
It is less than 1% for the vast majority of the population, yet you make it seem like a death sentence.
Let me ask you this - on a football board why are you exclusively posting on this subject after signing up last month??
Likelihood of being a dupe = the same chance that Dorsey Levens was good vs. the Eagles.
check what the rate is for the majority of the population, and not the elderly.
It is less than 1% for the vast majority of the population, yet you make it seem like a death sentence.
Let me ask you this - on a football board why are you exclusively posting on this subject after signing up last month??
so if it skews to the elderly that's ok? I hope as we get more cases it goes down, but so far it hasn't. It's a dangerous virus. Are you upset that your boy looks like a fucking retard? Every single point I have made has been valid and clear, and you keep attacking me. What gives?
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really seem to be fucking dense about the 2% mortality rate.
check what the rate is for the majority of the population, and not the elderly.
It is less than 1% for the vast majority of the population, yet you make it seem like a death sentence.
Let me ask you this - on a football board why are you exclusively posting on this subject after signing up last month??
so if it skews to the elderly that's ok? I hope as we get more cases it goes down, but so far it hasn't. It's a dangerous virus. Are you upset that your boy looks like a fucking retard? Every single point I have made has been valid and clear, and you keep attacking me. What gives?
Retard, really?
Stop assuming governmental agencies you took for granted are actually functional, staffed, or funded (or are not lead by someone who's sole purpose is to deconstruct them for private profits).
It's a motherfucking ATROCITY that the CDC can only conduct hundreds of tests a day when orders of magnitudes more are being done in other countries on a daily basis.
But don't blame the fucking rank and file of the CDC who have been there for years
How many trillions have we spent in this country to combat afflictions like influenza?
I'm no conspiracy theorist but does anyone actually monitor the money used for research? Are there any standards or assessments put in place to assure that we get SOMETHING for our financial efforts?
And I'm looking past the government. Non-profits, universities; etc. It's cool that all these organizations get this money tax-free but at some point do we start demanding progress? Spanish flu was exactly one century ago. Surely, that would be enough warning and time to come up with a solution, no?
Might as well ask why they haven't cured cancer or heart disease yet while you're at it. Surely they've had enough time and plenty of money to get 'er done, right?
The fact that the virus causing COVID-19 shares fundamental characteristics with the flu is both the good news and bad news. This version of coronavirus is, arguably, a vehicle by which it will become endemic in the human population, as the cold and flu are.
The upshot of which will be that, in the future, we will have "cold, flu and COVID-19 season" instead of just cold and flu season.
Having gained endemic status, this coronavirus will, again arguably, mutate like the flu and require vaccinations to be in constant development, as with the flu.
The current fatality rate is only one factor. The profile of the number of cases that become severe/critical, but the patient survives, is something we don't really know yet.
And, even as we gain knowledge of the profile for this version of COVID-19-causing coronavirus, there will the next mutation of the now endemic virus with which to be concerned.
atlantic - ( New Window )
The fact that the virus causing COVID-19 shares fundamental characteristics with the flu is both the good news and bad news. This version of coronavirus is, arguably, a vehicle by which it will become endemic in the human population, as the cold and flu are.
The upshot of which will be that, in the future, we will have "cold, flu and COVID-19 season" instead of just cold and flu season.
Having gained endemic status, this coronavirus will, again arguably, mutate like the flu and require vaccinations to be in constant development, as with the flu.
The current fatality rate is only one factor. The profile of the number of cases that become severe/critical, but the patient survives, is something we don't really know yet.
And, even as we gain knowledge of the profile for this version of COVID-19-causing coronavirus, there will the next mutation of the now endemic virus with which to be concerned. atlantic - ( New Window )
yes. thank you. i think it is pretty important in a thread about coronavirus to point out that *experts* think there is a possibility millions will die in the coming years, maybe millions of Americans as well, and I'm being hung for it. Does it matter if half of them will be elderly? Don't we all know elderly people? Aren't we all going to be elderly one day?
Virologists were never dire about the prospects of Ebola being a threat to the general population. Every single virologist I have seen speak or write about this subject, they look and sound like they are going to toss their lunch. Virologists - the ones who know the most about viruses. I am pretty sure there have already been more infections from Covid-19 in the few months of its existence than in the entire history of Ebola. And as with influenza, soon enough there will probably be more deaths from Covid-19 than in the entire history of Ebola. And then there will be exponentially more.
No. Not every point you have made is valid or clear. In fact the OP is a bunch of horseshit and isn't even a first-hand account.
But I give you kudos for calling somebody a retard in one sentence and then asking why you are being attacked in the next one. Just like everything else, consistency isn't really your forte.
yes. thank you. i think it is pretty important in a thread about coronavirus to point out that *experts* think there is a possibility millions will die in the coming years,
This is not focus I agree with. The point of the Atlantic article is that this novel coronavirus may attain endemic status just because it kills relatively few of its hosts.