I thought it would be a good idea to consolidate all the rumors pertaining to the Giants on one thread. Let's try to keep this thread clean and post only news from trusted media sources.
Arik Armstead rumored to get LT deal (no franchise), no joy
Giants have expressed interest in OLB Jordan Jenkins, who had 15 sacks the past two seasons for the Jets. Former third-round pick is only 25 years old.
I viewed him as the best value going forward, with age and performance in hand. Yannik was the best choice but he's tagged and going to cost a fortune. I feel Jenkins can be had at a nice value.
Jenkins fits as a cheaper version of M. Golden (also Pats profile)
highly productive college player who fell to 3rd round because he doesn't have great measurables. 20 sacks and 6 FF in 4 years isn't nothing. Especially the 15 sacks/4FF in the last 24 starts.
I viewed him as the best value going forward, with age and performance in hand. Yannik was the best choice but he's tagged and going to cost a fortune. I feel Jenkins can be had at a nice value.
NFL COMPARISON Nick Perry
BOTTOM LINE Three-year starter who has played both outside linebacker spots in the Bulldogs 3-4 defense. With Jenkins length and outstanding power on the edge, he is a natural fit as an edge-setting strongside 3-4 outside linebacker in the pros. Jenkins may not be viewed as dangerous enough as a pass rusher to warrant a first round pick, but he?s a safe pick whose toughness and football IQ make him an early starter candidate.
-Lance Zierlein
I agree with someone above who said he isn't going to be cheap. I would guess he cost a similar amount to Golden. Slightly less productive but healthier and younger.
NFL COMPARISON Nick Perry
BOTTOM LINE Three-year starter who has played both outside linebacker spots in the Bulldogs 3-4 defense. With Jenkins length and outstanding power on the edge, he is a natural fit as an edge-setting strongside 3-4 outside linebacker in the pros. Jenkins may not be viewed as dangerous enough as a pass rusher to warrant a first round pick, but he?s a safe pick whose toughness and football IQ make him an early starter candidate.
-Lance Zierlein
He also played under our ILB coach, Kevin Sherrer, at Georgia
"fell to 3rd round because he doesn't have great measurables"
He's also always battled nagging injuries. He consistently misses a couple of games a year going back to his Georgia days. I agree with the analysis he's similar to Golden in a lot of ways just younger. Maybe a tick less as a pass rusher and more as a run setter.
Giants have expressed interest in OLB Jordan Jenkins, who had 15 sacks the past two seasons for the Jets. Former third-round pick is only 25 years old.
Bart Scott ripped him apart a couple of months ago. Said something like his sack numbers were inflated...he got a bunch of coverage sacks thanks to Gregg Williams' schemes...called them "layups." Scott was really down on him, but take it for what it's worth.
RE: Jenkins fits as a cheaper version of M. Golden (also Pats profile)
highly productive college player who fell to 3rd round because he doesn't have great measurables. 20 sacks and 6 FF in 4 years isn't nothing. Especially the 15 sacks/4FF in the last 24 starts.
This would be a huge get for the Giants and exactly the type of player the Giants should be targeting. I was expecting the Jets to tag him or sign him to a long term deal but it would be a huge blunder on their part to let him walk. Jenkins is just beginning to break out IMO.
I was hoping for a run at Shaw Lawson as I think he has been improving and is only 25. Maybe Jenkins is a more productive player the same age. Prior knowledge with our LB coach.
The issue with Lawson for me is he's a one position pony. He's a true 4-3 DE. Doesn't play well in space or moving backwards. If you aren't running a four man front he just doesn't make a whole lot of sense.
The issue with Lawson for me is he's a one position pony. He's a true 4-3 DE. Doesn't play well in space or moving backwards. If you aren't running a four man front he just doesn't make a whole lot of sense.
Yeah, he seems to be more geared to a 4 man front, maybe with some zone blitzes mixed in. I was thinking the with our multiple look he could be a better utilized player. He is improving and I think would have been a good fit, Jenkins may be a better addition as a true 3-4 Edge.
RE: Jay - I see Jenkins as a little boom or bust, but I'll trust Judge
he could either be Zadarius Smith 1 year from now or just another Devon Kennard type.
I do like buying a young guy with upside who is ascending vs bringing back someone like Golden who is safer but also limited upside.
There is absolutely some risk here but I am willing to gamble on a young player that's registered 15 sacks over the past two seasons and is only 25. I will admit I was glad that the Giants didn't give Za'Darius Smith that much money last season but I was quickly proved wrong. I don't think Jenkins is as good but it wouldn't surprise me if he becomes a dependable 10-12 sack guy.
I viewed him as the best value going forward, with age and performance in hand. Yannik was the best choice but he's tagged and going to cost a fortune. I feel Jenkins can be had at a nice value.
Ive been touting Jenkins for some time. Kyler Fackrell and Ogbah as backup plans. Im thinking $13-14M for Jenkins
Now, if we sign these types of parts over Edge talent, then we could be seeing a shift to more 4-3 fronts if not a base.
I agree - from what Judge and graham have said, it looks like they are not as concerned with 3-4 vs 4-3. I think Ogbah will be a value pickup for someone.
highly productive college player who fell to 3rd round because he doesn't have great measurables. 20 sacks and 6 FF in 4 years isn't nothing. Especially the 15 sacks/4FF in the last 24 starts.
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Plus, he's a more versatile player, would be a good move.
Not splashy, but a good move nonetheless.
Dan Sileo just tweeted out that Clowney is going to the Giants
Jordan can play on the line or off the line, in a 1-gap defense or a 2-gap defense. He can play in a 3-4 or a 4-3 defense. He can cover players off the line in single coverage or zone coverage. He can rush the passer and make tacklers look foolish and in college has even been brought inside and made guards look foolish in pass rush and defending the run. For the love of god, what more are you looking for in a defensive player to add to your defense? Jordan has Clay Mathews’ type talent with the power and explosion and mature techniques to impact the day after you draft him. He will become one of the leaders of your defense and a player you can build your defense around.
Jenkins has less sacks than Golden, Golden doubled his tackles per game rate and had double the amount of qb hits. Jenkins also had 2 sacks against a lineman who never started another game for us, Solder was out. I watched the Jets vs Ravens game and he never kept contain and had only 1 tackle, I’m out on him.
RE: RE: Dan Sileo just tweeted out that Clowney is going to the Giants
Now, if we sign these types of parts over Edge talent, then we could be seeing a shift to more 4-3 fronts if not a base.
I agree - from what Judge and graham have said, it looks like they are not as concerned with 3-4 vs 4-3. I think Ogbah will be a value pickup for someone.
They might not be, but you don't want Ogbah playing 3-4 OLB out in space. He's stiff, it's not his game, as an example.
Art Stapleton
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Still hearing #NYGiants are involved in pursuit of Jadeveon Clowney, per source. Not sure where they stand, but at least one team in that chase convinced #NYG are legitimate contenders.
RE: I bet Dan Sileo read the fake account notice....
about Clowney… He can be a wrecker (the games I've seen) but his numbers dont back it up, but the Giants desperately need an ER
I don’t see it. He is a good player but I am not sure it fits with what NYG has been saying it wants. Players entering their their second contract in their mid 20’s.
Jack Conklin agreed to a 3-year deal with the Browns for $42M with $30M fully guarantee, per
@RosenhausSports
. He earns $20mil in the first year. Wanted to keep it short due to the projected increases in the salary cap. Conklin will only be 28 when this deal expires.
Jack Conklin agreed to a 3-year deal with the Browns for $42M with $30M fully guarantee, per
@RosenhausSports
. He earns $20mil in the first year. Wanted to keep it short due to the projected increases in the salary cap. Conklin will only be 28 when this deal expires.
Realistically no pass rushers with a spotless record hit free agency. Clowney has his warts, but he's probably as good as we're going to get outside of the draft.
Realistically no pass rushers with a spotless record hit free agency. Clowney has his warts, but he's probably as good as we're going to get outside of the draft.
I'd much rather pay him 22 mil than Jenkins 13.
Hard to disagree with that, especially if his deal ends up being less than we expect like many of the other deals done today.
Conklin and Kwiakowski are both about 1/2 what most of their projected deals were.
Last year when the Seahawks got him for a 3rd I figured almost every team in the NFL would have paid that price. There is a chance he's just not a guy teams are going to be willing to get into a massive bidding war for due to his injury history.
. How about we sign Clowney and he realizes that with an attitude like LT had, he can be as good as anyone. Maybe Judge can bring him around with the help of NYC and its fans. The guy has unlimited potential if he wants to use. Our defemse is back then in spades.
Is a tad concerning. Yes there are a few top tier UFAs left, but a few non top tier guys like Nick Kwiatkowski who many thought could be a fall back option are also gone...
Not sure if this smoke is true, and if I was a betting man....I would say that Clowney would not be a Judge type player...
Obviously, the talent is there....but the red flags concerns me, especially after getting paid.
Last 2 years combined:
5 FF
5 Fumble Recoveries
2 TDs
12 sacks
23 TFL's
4 passes knocked down
44 QB hits
I am not a bit Clowney fan and highly doubt he will fit what Judget/DG are looking for. But like every other player that's available it will depend on the contract he gets. As Jon mentioned above, it's hard to argue he isn't worth 2x what someone like John Jenkins could get. Or even Golden who we know is far from a game changer. He's got his issues but when healthy he is in the small handful of guys talented enough to be a defensive game wrecker.
sign schobert and then wait for the next wave of FA
you're wise to spend smart and you've got to build a foundation via the draft and its cheaper pipeline. The top UFAs have too many warts to invest open market dollars in. The players you ideally want from UFA rarely are allowed to reach the open market.
If we can sign McGovern or Schobert today in the $10-11M range...
Is a tad concerning. Yes there are a few top tier UFAs left, but a few non top tier guys like Nick Kwiatkowski who many thought could be a fall back option are also gone...
Still a ton of ILB's on the board. We're a good 16-18 hours from the time to be concerned
you're wise to spend smart and you've got to build a foundation via the draft and its cheaper pipeline. The top UFAs have too many warts to invest open market dollars in. The players you ideally want from UFA rarely are allowed to reach the open market.
^This. Let the first wave pass, and sign the second tier FAs. I expect and want us to do something, but throwing money at Clowney, Jones, etc. is the wrong move. Competing for these types of players means participating in a bidding war which inevitably results in overpaying. We are also not one or even two or three players away from being competitive.
you're wise to spend smart and you've got to build a foundation via the draft and its cheaper pipeline. The top UFAs have too many warts to invest open market dollars in. The players you ideally want from UFA rarely are allowed to reach the open market.
^This. Let the first wave pass, and sign the second tier FAs. I expect and want us to do something, but throwing money at Clowney, Jones, etc. is the wrong move. Competing for these types of players means participating in a bidding war which inevitably results in overpaying. We are also not one or even two or three players away from being competitive.
I think Jones is the only player worth throwing big $ at. If NYG land Jones, it allows Baker to shadow him for 3 years as the 2nd CB and develop into a 1 when Jones contract expires. The secondary is a massive defensive hole. Can also allow NYG to hopefully draft Wills at OT number 4. But can hopefully sign Schobert in the $10-$11M range and that’s a lot of holes fixed. At that point, would be competitive even at 8-8 would seem very realistic.
Solid deal if true, Bradberry to NYG for 3 years / 45m
about Clowney… He can be a wrecker (the games I've seen) but his numbers dont back it up, but the Giants desperately need an ER
His sack numbers aren’t very very high but his numbers do indeed back it up. Clowney has consistently been at the top of the positional rankings in terms of TFL, QB hits and hurries. This talk that clowney doesn’t put up numbers is completely untrue. I posted them here last week to prove it.
I can understand people balking at the cost for Clowney
but realistically, you have to overpay for free agents.
Clowney isn't perfect (if he was Houston would never have let him go) but he's WAY more talented than most guys that hit FA, he would be a huge addition to our lame pass rush, and he actually plays the run pretty well. He's not a line-up-wide-loop-to-the-qb-every-time guy.
I wanna show faith in our new staff and bring in supremely talented guys. Sure I'd be happier if he was cheaper, but that's not how FA works.
I would like to see the Giants sign Corey Littleton.
I would not be surprised if we looked at some former Panthers: FS Tre Boston, RT Daryl Williams and CB Ross Cockrell. All three might be decent value signings.
I'd much much rather Littleton even at an increased cost.
It's not time to delve into the value signings area of free agency yet. We're still in the viable starter phase. Which is where guys like Schobert and Glenn fit in.
One low cost signing that could be a possibility: LeAdrian Waddle
Probably would cost in the $1-2mm range, so Remmers like signing. Was on the Bills bench last season but Judge will know him from the sea dome before that he spent in NE.
Giants are OUT on Clowney, asking price is too high, they have moved on.
What is supposed asking price? Fine with this, but there was crazy talk about NYG being very deeply in on him. Martinez at $10M isn’t a ton but many aren’t good with this. If Clowney was in $20-$22 M range that’s a ton as well clearly. NYG need an Edge badly.
Giants are OUT on Clowney, asking price is too high, they have moved on.
What is supposed asking price? Fine with this, but there was crazy talk about NYG being very deeply in on him. Martinez at $10M isn’t a ton but many aren’t good with this. If Clowney was in $20-$22 M range that’s a ton as well clearly. NYG need an Edge badly.
21 per year range is right. Nearly 70 guaranteed. Last I heard NYG had an offer on the table and are still very much in it.
But.. I've also heard they are checking in on other edge rushers. Perhaps they did drop out or maybe just setting up plan B.
With everything going on I haven't had much time to ask around. Sorry folks. Weird offseason.
Giants are OUT on Clowney, asking price is too high, they have moved on.
What is supposed asking price? Fine with this, but there was crazy talk about NYG being very deeply in on him. Martinez at $10M isn’t a ton but many aren’t good with this. If Clowney was in $20-$22 M range that’s a ton as well clearly. NYG need an Edge badly.
21 per year range is right. Nearly 70 guaranteed. Last I heard NYG had an offer on the table and are still very much in it.
But.. I've also heard they are checking in on other edge rushers. Perhaps they did drop out or maybe just setting up plan B.
With everything going on I haven't had much time to ask around. Sorry folks. Weird offseason.
Any clue who option B is? Was it Martinez as an ILB or was that just a 3 year cheaper DG signing totally separate?
Not sure if this smoke is true, and if I was a betting man....I would say that Clowney would not be a Judge type player...
Obviously, the talent is there....but the red flags concerns me, especially after getting paid.
Last 2 years combined:
5 FF
5 Fumble Recoveries
2 TDs
12 sacks
23 TFL's
4 passes knocked down
44 QB hits
I am not a bit Clowney fan and highly doubt he will fit what Judget/DG are looking for. But like every other player that's available it will depend on the contract he gets. As Jon mentioned above, it's hard to argue he isn't worth 2x what someone like John Jenkins could get. Or even Golden who we know is far from a game changer. He's got his issues but when healthy he is in the small handful of guys talented enough to be a defensive game wrecker.
I'm in the anti-Clowney group, but if he's looking for a 3 year deal like seemingly everyone else (would be 30 in 2023), I could warm to it. Would certainly keep him motivated for his next big pay day.
Meanwhile, approx. how much money do we have left? I want McGovern!
id like that signing.
be nice if we were able to get mcgovern and two edges.
go OT at 4 and then maybe delpit in second if there?
Between you and me...and everyone reading this thread, I still have a sneaking suspicion that Chase Young will fall to 4. I think Burrow and Tua are most assuredly top-3 pick. That leave one spot between us and Young.
If Young is not there, I would take Jedrick Wills Jr. No questions asked. And maybe in the second round go with Yetur Gross-Matos or Tee Higgins.
Anthony Harris can be bad for a mid round pick. Giants were rumored to be in on him before he was franchised. Haven’t seen much discussion but seems like a no brainer if they can get it done for their Collins comp pick or their fourth.
Meanwhile, approx. how much money do we have left? I want McGovern!
id like that signing.
be nice if we were able to get mcgovern and two edges.
go OT at 4 and then maybe delpit in second if there?
Between you and me...and everyone reading this thread, I still have a sneaking suspicion that Chase Young will fall to 4. I think Burrow and Tua are most assuredly top-3 pick. That leave one spot between us and Young.
If Young is not there, I would take Jedrick Wills Jr. No questions asked. And maybe in the second round go with Yetur Gross-Matos or Tee Higgins.
anak, you and I are on the same wavelength. 1. i am not counting out young even if its a longer shot 2. i LOVE wills. i know you fell in love with his footwork like i did. I think the guy is going to be special player for a long time.
Meanwhile, approx. how much money do we have left? I want McGovern!
id like that signing.
be nice if we were able to get mcgovern and two edges.
go OT at 4 and then maybe delpit in second if there?
Between you and me...and everyone reading this thread, I still have a sneaking suspicion that Chase Young will fall to 4. I think Burrow and Tua are most assuredly top-3 pick. That leave one spot between us and Young.
If Young is not there, I would take Jedrick Wills Jr. No questions asked. And maybe in the second round go with Yetur Gross-Matos or Tee Higgins.
anak, you and I are on the same wavelength. 1. i am not counting out young even if its a longer shot 2. i LOVE wills. i know you fell in love with his footwork like i did. I think the guy is going to be special player for a long time.
Yep, but it wasn't just his feet. It's his smarts and technique and that punch of his. If he was bigger with longer arms, I think he would be talked about like Penei Sewell.
Anthony Harris can be bad for a mid round pick. Giants were rumored to be in on him before he was franchised. Haven’t seen much discussion but seems like a no brainer if they can get it done for their Collins comp pick or their fourth.
He was my #1 free agent target, the only free agent I wanted to see the Giants sign regardless of cost.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: We're becoming the Stanford of the East
Meanwhile, approx. how much money do we have left? I want McGovern!
id like that signing.
be nice if we were able to get mcgovern and two edges.
go OT at 4 and then maybe delpit in second if there?
Between you and me...and everyone reading this thread, I still have a sneaking suspicion that Chase Young will fall to 4. I think Burrow and Tua are most assuredly top-3 pick. That leave one spot between us and Young.
If Young is not there, I would take Jedrick Wills Jr. No questions asked. And maybe in the second round go with Yetur Gross-Matos or Tee Higgins.
anak, you and I are on the same wavelength. 1. i am not counting out young even if its a longer shot 2. i LOVE wills. i know you fell in love with his footwork like i did. I think the guy is going to be special player for a long time.
Yep, but it wasn't just his feet. It's his smarts and technique and that punch of his. If he was bigger with longer arms, I think he would be talked about like Penei Sewell.
yea, i like him alot. he rarely mis steps and is fluid in pass pro. i think he would be a great pick at 4
"I still have a sneaking suspicion that Chase Young will fall to 4. I think Burrow and Tua are most assuredly top-3 pick. That leave one spot between us and Young."
What are you saying here?
If you think Burrow and Tua are going in the Top 3, which player do you think will sneak ahead of Chase Young, thus pushing the best DE in the Draft to us at 4?
"I still have a sneaking suspicion that Chase Young will fall to 4. I think Burrow and Tua are most assuredly top-3 pick. That leave one spot between us and Young."
What are you saying here?
If you think Burrow and Tua are going in the Top 3, which player do you think will sneak ahead of Chase Young, thus pushing the best DE in the Draft to us at 4?
It just takes one team to fall in love with Justin Herbert.
"I still have a sneaking suspicion that Chase Young will fall to 4. I think Burrow and Tua are most assuredly top-3 pick. That leave one spot between us and Young."
What are you saying here?
If you think Burrow and Tua are going in the Top 3, which player do you think will sneak ahead of Chase Young, thus pushing the best DE in the Draft to us at 4?
Simmons and Okudah, but I also could see a team giving a shitload to the Lions to trade up and secure Herbert
"I still have a sneaking suspicion that Chase Young will fall to 4. I think Burrow and Tua are most assuredly top-3 pick. That leave one spot between us and Young."
What are you saying here?
If you think Burrow and Tua are going in the Top 3, which player do you think will sneak ahead of Chase Young, thus pushing the best DE in the Draft to us at 4?
Simmons and Okudah, but I also could see a team giving a shitload to the Lions to trade up and secure Herbert
Ahh, got it. Thanks!
Here is my opinion:
There is zero chance Chase Young will be there at #4.
"I still have a sneaking suspicion that Chase Young will fall to 4. I think Burrow and Tua are most assuredly top-3 pick. That leave one spot between us and Young."
What are you saying here?
If you think Burrow and Tua are going in the Top 3, which player do you think will sneak ahead of Chase Young, thus pushing the best DE in the Draft to us at 4?
It just takes one team to fall in love with Justin Herbert.
Not likely but not crazy either.
I am a huge fan of Justin Herbert. But I just don't see this scenario unfolding.
"I still have a sneaking suspicion that Chase Young will fall to 4. I think Burrow and Tua are most assuredly top-3 pick. That leave one spot between us and Young."
What are you saying here?
If you think Burrow and Tua are going in the Top 3, which player do you think will sneak ahead of Chase Young, thus pushing the best DE in the Draft to us at 4?
Simmons and Okudah, but I also could see a team giving a shitload to the Lions to trade up and secure Herbert
Ahh, got it. Thanks!
Here is my opinion:
There is zero chance Chase Young will be there at #4.
I can probably "edit" your face in about 30 seconds.
ITG aside, with all of the problems Gary and Eric have had with the site recently, I'd think helping to keep the board as "clean" as possible would be a good thing, not to mention making threads easier to read. But you do you.
Anthony Harris can be bad for a mid round pick. Giants were rumored to be in on him before he was franchised. Haven’t seen much discussion but seems like a no brainer if they can get it done for their Collins comp pick or their fourth.
He was my #1 free agent target, the only free agent I wanted to see the Giants sign regardless of cost.
Give up a 4 now or a 5 this year and 5 next. Get it done!
I can probably "edit" your face in about 30 seconds.
ITG aside, with all of the problems Gary and Eric have had with the site recently, I'd think helping to keep the board as "clean" as possible would be a good thing, not to mention making threads easier to read. But you do you.
So he's a Top 10 lock. Thx Marc Ross for verifying what we all knew.
Also Marc Ross:
Quote:
MEDIA Q&A WITH VICE PRESIDENT OF PLAYER EVALUATION MARC ROSS: (Video) (Giants.com Interview)
Q: What do you think about Ereck Flowers?
A: Ereck is, as you have probably heard, a physical, nasty, tough football player and you just don’t see that too often anymore in college football. He is a man-child physically. He is gigantic. He has long arms. He just turned 21 on Saturday. Super productive against the highest level of competition there, the Florida States and the Nebraskas. He is a good player who is just scratching the surface of how good he can be.
Q: Where do you see him position-wise?
A: Tackle, for sure. He can play [either side]. He has done that. He played right tackle as a freshman. He played left tackle the last two years, so wherever the coaches want to play him and feel most comfortable right now, but I feel he can do either tackle spot.
Q: Do you see that his weakness is with his techniques?
A: You read that stuff. The guy is 20. They all have technique flaws. Nobody is ready-made to play in the NFL. Even fourth- or fifth-year seniors. They all can improve. He is just learning to play, but even with technique flaws, the guy was a productive and dominant player at times.
I agree that it is unlikely but every year there is a discrepancy between what we/media think and what the concensus is among the professionals.
When it comes to QBs, people fall in love and as we all know, love makes us do crazy things.
I don’t believe there was a consensus that Baker Mayfield would go #1. Only very late, when it started leaking that the Browns were big on him, and even then some suspected a smokescreen.
I still maintained the Browns goofed. They could have taken Saquon with #1 and still had a QB with their #4 pick. Might even have been Mayfield.
Can we make this thread just for Giants FA Rumors and not discussions on other topics? I hate Marc Ross as much as anyone but how is that related to FA Rumors?
Anthony Harris can be bad for a mid round pick. Giants were rumored to be in on him before he was franchised. Haven’t seen much discussion but seems like a no brainer if they can get it done for their Collins comp pick or their fourth.
If true, that would be the right kind of trade (would make more sense then giving mid round picks for Leonard Williams). Harris is a stud
Is being released by the Bears, I know he has underwhelmed, he made under 3 mil last season, I know we were interested in him when he came out, maybe he can be had on a 1 year prove it deal, I could see him having a good year if he fits in the type defense we will run, you resign Golden even and that could work.
Is being released by the Bears, I know he has underwhelmed, he made under 3 mil last season, I know we were interested in him when he came out, maybe he can be had on a 1 year prove it deal, I could see him having a good year if he fits in the type defense we will run, you resign Golden even and that could work.
Worst case scenario is he doesn’t work on a prove it deal
"Worst case scenario is he doesn’t work on a prove it deal"
Toiloilo isn't a prove it failure deal nitwit. He's a role player specialist. So dumb.
Nice name-calling! Definitely strengthens your point that Darryl Williams and Leonard Floyd are bottom feeder signings but Toiloilo who may not make the team is a top of the market priority signing. Can't argue with such a line of thinking.
Can we make this thread just for Giants FA Rumors and not discussions on other topics? I hate Marc Ross as much as anyone but how is that related to FA Rumors?
Agree I ignore anything he says & if he comes on the NFL Network,I change the channel!!!
are nothing but a straw man argument. You're stating your opinion which isn't supported by what happens every NFL offseason. I don't have interest in arguing with you further so this is the last I'll say on the topic then I'm moving on.
Williams is a former all-pro who would be penciled in as the starter at RT. They currently don't have a RT. Floyd would be a situational pass rusher. Apparently in your world though you don't prioritize those things over a tight end who may be competing for a roster spot? Give me a break. Clearly you are talking out of your ass and you probably realized your point didn't make any sense hence why instead of actually supporting your point you decided to instead act like a jerk.
but you're on of the dumbest, least knowledgeable football posters on the site. I'm not engaging you anymore. You're not worth my time or effort. Go on spewing garbage. No one gives you any credence.
Nice. Lots of "facts" to continue supporting your "argument".
3 rounds 8 oz gloves? Or do you guys prefer the octagon?
Seriously you each make some points. I get that some opinions are better thought out but there really is no right or wrong here just discussion and opinion.
Manish Mehta
@MMehtaNYDN
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Jets are in the market for a backup QB. Veteran Matt Moore played well for Adam Gase in Miami when needed. He would be solid Sam Darnold insurance.
But keep an eye on the Giants, who have made it known that they’d be interested in having Moore as Daniel Jones’ backup in 2020.
RE: Not all that exciting but still Giants' FA rumor
Manish Mehta
@MMehtaNYDN
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Jets are in the market for a backup QB. Veteran Matt Moore played well for Adam Gase in Miami when needed. He would be solid Sam Darnold insurance.
But keep an eye on the Giants, who have made it known that they’d be interested in having Moore as Daniel Jones’ backup in 2020.
He's a good backup. Be happier with him than Tanney
Again, this incompetent idiot is doing his best to build another team that won't make significant progress next season and that's even with a new coaching staff. I get it, Dave Gettleman does do some things right but the problem comes down to the fact that he can't seem to ultimately build a successful team. A lot of this has to be with how he handles Free Agency and Trades which as we all know is a large part of building a team that can look to challenge in the league. I can't seriously understand how anyone can look at these transactions so far and be satisfied with what we are doing compared to the value other teams are getting.
DG is a bumbling idiot. We need an impact player on defense and all we got so far are pieces. Clowney, wont happen with this "Clown" running the circus unfortunately. All the big time lineman and defensive ends are going elsewhere. We still have holes everywhere and DG is pacing himself instead of moving his ass....
RE: I have tried to hold back and be optimistic but...
Again, this incompetent idiot is doing his best to build another team that won't make significant progress next season and that's even with a new coaching staff. I get it, Dave Gettleman does do some things right but the problem comes down to the fact that he can't seem to ultimately build a successful team. A lot of this has to be with how he handles Free Agency and Trades which as we all know is a large part of building a team that can look to challenge in the league. I can't seriously understand how anyone can look at these transactions so far and be satisfied with what we are doing compared to the value other teams are getting.
As others have said there is a lot working against the franchise right now.
Remember:
Record wise they’ve been the worst team across multiple seasons
They’ve turned over 3 coaches in a short period.
The unknown of yet another coach
NJ State income taxes.
And, like it or not, Dave Gettleman’s presence is a negative.
sure a ton of holes on this team
We still need around 2 ER and a safety on D, and a couple that are high impact an ILB that can cover too
arent connelly and martinez very similiar?
offense
2 olinemen at least 1 more WR
We can probably fill 1 or 2 holes in FA
hopefully 3-4 in draft
DG I have soured on
The only team in the league who has 10 run stuffers on our D line, zero of them can push the pocket or pass rush and 16 million of that is dedicated to a guy who had 2 and a half sacks. The man is brilliant as a GM.
for the negative sentiment from posters above. I know people are frustrated and the Giants don't deserve the benefit of the doubt but it's not like there aren't a ton of impact players still on the market. If they sign none then I can see why people would be pissed off but they haven't missed on any glaring obvious guys yet (aside from choosing Martinez over Littleton or Schobert).
I would have hoped for a pass rusher of some sort by now
For one brief, shining moment, djm got wood thanks to you.
I didn't even see this rumor until much later. Thankfully, no premature wood for this guy. Not that I need any help from a 255 pound war daddy...NTTAWWt
RE: I would have hoped for a pass rusher of some sort by now
Clowney is probably out of reach and may not be fiscally responsible but Jenkins, Fowler or re-signing Golden would be a good move.
I really didn't want to sign a big-ticket pass-rusher this year. For one thing, I haven't given up hope that Carter and/or Ximines will improve with better coaching and a better scheme. For another, I think the Giants will look to add an ER/OLB at some point in the draft.
What I'd like to see them do is sign a stopgap, a veteran who still has something left in his tank, to act as a situational pass-rusher. Vinny Curry would be my choice.
In addition, I'd like to see more improvements to the Secondary. Bradberry was a good start, but I'm still hoping the Giants can sign a veteran FS to team up with Peppers and Love in sub-packages. Try to force more coverage sacks and INT's.
What do you see in him? I sure didn't watch much of Denver, but he's another smallish C like Pulley. I wonder if Gates or a draft choice starts there for us next year.
What do you see in him? I sure didn't watch much of Denver, but he's another smallish C like Pulley. I wonder if Gates or a draft choice starts there for us next year.
I just want a fucking Centre who doesn't get pushed back consistently
"ESPN's Jeremy Fowler reports the Cowboys won't exercise OT Cameron Fleming's option.
It's still possible Dallas brings him back for less than his $4 million option would have entailed. The 27-year-old swing tackle is also a candidate to reunite with Giants OC Jason Garrett in New York."
that's 5 guys with starting experience at their respective positions, 3 who have made pro bowls, plus Gates and Pulley.
That really gives them some flexibility in the draft to do anything from drafting Solder's immediate + long term replacement in round 1 or a couple more developmental players.
RE: Adding Karras and Daryl Williams would be solid moves
that's 5 guys with starting experience at their respective positions, 3 who have made pro bowls, plus Gates and Pulley.
That really gives them some flexibility in the draft to do anything from drafting Solder's immediate + long term replacement in round 1 or a couple more developmental players.
Fleming is another possibility at RT I would think
that's 5 guys with starting experience at their respective positions, 3 who have made pro bowls, plus Gates and Pulley.
That really gives them some flexibility in the draft to do anything from drafting Solder's immediate + long term replacement in round 1 or a couple more developmental players.
Fleming is another possibility at RT I would think
Dan Metro Man had a thread maybe 2 weeks ago breaking down both Williams and Fleming. In it, you will see metrics some posters and I provided on both players that do not paint pretty pictures. They were, actually, awful. Signing either of those 2, especially Fleming, would be asking for problems.
Gates looked pretty decent at OT last couple of games
Answer: because he's not a good football player. Hard pass unless it's on the cheap. If we give him a ridiculous payday like Beasley got I'll be joining the 'run DG out of town' nutters.
. Poking around d another team's washouts is a symptom of such. Chicago's defensive coaching was really good in the last few years. Floyd may just be what he looks like. An athlete, not a football player.
Here’s an answer on Floyd’s lack of sacks (not a great one)
Since his first year in the league, Floyd’s sack numbers have steadily decreased. He has only totaled 11.5 sacks in the past three seasons. However, he still has shown the consistent ability to rush the passer with 35 quarterback hits and 75 pressures during this span.
“ Expect the Giants to be searching for more value at the edge rusher position. They will look into Leonard Floyd and others but don’t foresee them jumping at the top names available.
They’re also looking at affordable options at RT and C. #NFLFreeAgency”
“ Expect the Giants to be searching for more value at the edge rusher position. They will look into Leonard Floyd and others but don’t foresee them jumping at the top names available.
They’re also looking at affordable options at RT and C. #NFLFreeAgency”
Cordy Glenn?
Why is that they never seem to make a concerted effort to
fill the FS spot? Such an important position that they’ve been mostly neglecting since Rolle. Center too but at least they seem ready to do that this offseason.
RE: Why is that they never seem to make a concerted effort to
fill the FS spot? Such an important position that they’ve been mostly neglecting since Rolle. Center too but at least they seem ready to do that this offseason.
Personally, I like Love. I have high hopes for him.
...that the Giants don't think like fans do, won't sign everyone that they would like to, won't even try to sign everyone that the all-knowing fan base would like them to, have a far better understanding of the salary/cap situation than the fans do, know what their next move is likely to be based on UFA availability and what their plans might be heading into the draft and the next season...
...I think that the Giants, specifically Dave Gettleman, is having a pretty good week.
Dave will be fine.
Go Giants!
Anak: "Personally, I like Love. I have high hopes for him."
CMicks3110 : don't know if this guy is legit
Paul Crane
@PaulCrane7
Told Leonard Floyd close to deal with NYG.
ATL & MIA talking w/ LB Markus Golden
@929TheGame
Anak barring a draft pick like McKinney(unlikely)...
CMicks3110 : don't know if this guy is legit
Paul Crane
@PaulCrane7
Told Leonard Floyd close to deal with NYG.
ATL & MIA talking w/ LB Markus Golden
@929TheGame
Hoping this guy is full of shit. Floyd would get eaten alive by the OL’s in this division.
CMicks3110 : don't know if this guy is legit
Paul Crane
@PaulCrane7
Told Leonard Floyd close to deal with NYG.
ATL & MIA talking w/ LB Markus Golden
@929TheGame
I think Paul Crane is the guy who did podcasts with Dave Te Thomas. He is out of Atlanta. Seems to be plugged in.
RE: Anak barring a draft pick like McKinney(unlikely)...
I'd definitely give Love first crack at the starting FS job too.
My guess is love gets firsr crack unless the take simmons and feel he is a safety first. If they do and he is the pick love will be third safety. Im more concerned about our edge players right now vs love
fill the FS spot? Such an important position that they’ve been mostly neglecting since Rolle. Center too but at least they seem ready to do that this offseason.
Personally, I like Love. I have high hopes for him.
The jury is still out but I don’t think Love is ever going to be that deep-half safety with range that they so desperately need. He was playing more at the LOS and in the box than anywhere else and played a bunch in the slot too. Small sample size at FS and there was some good and some bad but it’s still tbd if he can excel there full time and I don’t think they should be handing him that job right out of the gate in year 2 either. I’d rather have him as a third safety, jack of all trades type and hope for the best than to pin our hopes on him developing into a strong FS.
For more on Love this was what Sy said in his week 17 game review
Julian Love was a mixed bag as we have seen in recent weeks. He had 8 tackles, 2 TFL, and 1 PD. He also missed a tackle and was getting beat, routinely, by Greg Ward, Jr. in coverage. I am optimistic with Love when it comes to his potential to impact the team. The question is, where? He played a similar safety role to Jabrill Peppers and I wouldn’t want either of them in the deep FS-type role that Bethea was playing. I think Love could do it more than I believe in Peppers, but they may need to find a nickel role for him depending on, once again, the new scheme that is coming
"was playing more at the LOS and in the box than anywhere else"
Listen you and I have gotten into it but this is about football. He absolutely got a long stretch run at FS this year. Especially the last 5 weeks or so. He played more there than any other position and he showed improvement.
in the box (176 snaps), slot corner (129 snaps) free safety (77 snaps). I don’t pay for PFF so I don’t have the game by game breakdown but Bethea was on the field for every snap on defense Love played except for week 14 and Bethea missed just 2 snaps. Going back and looking at Sy’s game reviews he talks about Love’s role in several of them the majority of which being in Peppers’ role after he went down.
This is week 15 for example:
“ -Julian Love’s role with this team will be interesting to watch in the offseason. He finished with yet another strong game. He had 5 tackles / 2 TFL / 1 pressure / 1 pass break up. He is playing the versatile role of Jabrill Peppers with a lot of action in the box and excelling. Can he be moved back into the role of Antoine Bethea? On paper that is ideal, but I’m not sure he can produce from that spot. All of that aside, his play has been stellar.”
in the box (176 snaps), slot corner (129 snaps) free safety (77 snaps). I don’t pay for PFF so I don’t have the game by game breakdown but Bethea was on the field for every snap on defense Love played except for week 14 and Bethea missed just 2 snaps. Going back and looking at Sy’s game reviews he talks about Love’s role in several of them the majority of which being in Peppers’ role after he went down.
This is week 15 for example:
“ -Julian Love’s role with this team will be interesting to watch in the offseason. He finished with yet another strong game. He had 5 tackles / 2 TFL / 1 pressure / 1 pass break up. He is playing the versatile role of Jabrill Peppers with a lot of action in the box and excelling. Can he be moved back into the role of Antoine Bethea? On paper that is ideal, but I’m not sure he can produce from that spot. All of that aside, his play has been stellar.”
Thanks for these snippets. Did not see Sy gig him for the FS play vs DC. I still think he can play FS. He was a bit of a ball hawk at ND(as CB), so it would seem he could play FS. Perhaps it had more to do with a move to FS from SS and insufficient reps at FS. He is not afraid to tackle, in fact he is a bit too aggressive and misses a few by not breaking down soon enough, so that is a concern. He has to be significantly faster than Bethea.
Unless they sign another vet FS, I think Love should be given a serious look at FS.
in the box (176 snaps), slot corner (129 snaps) free safety (77 snaps). I don’t pay for PFF so I don’t have the game by game breakdown but Bethea was on the field for every snap on defense Love played except for week 14 and Bethea missed just 2 snaps. Going back and looking at Sy’s game reviews he talks about Love’s role in several of them the majority of which being in Peppers’ role after he went down.
This is week 15 for example:
“ -Julian Love’s role with this team will be interesting to watch in the offseason. He finished with yet another strong game. He had 5 tackles / 2 TFL / 1 pressure / 1 pass break up. He is playing the versatile role of Jabrill Peppers with a lot of action in the box and excelling. Can he be moved back into the role of Antoine Bethea? On paper that is ideal, but I’m not sure he can produce from that spot. All of that aside, his play has been stellar.”
Thanks for these snippets. Did not see Sy gig him for the FS play vs DC. I still think he can play FS. He was a bit of a ball hawk at ND(as CB), so it would seem he could play FS. Perhaps it had more to do with a move to FS from SS and insufficient reps at FS. He is not afraid to tackle, in fact he is a bit too aggressive and misses a few by not breaking down soon enough, so that is a concern. He has to be significantly faster than Bethea.
Unless they sign another vet FS, I think Love should be given a serious look at FS.
From what I have seen Love in a hybrid slot/S Rolle would be ideal. Looking more for a true deep saftey to esentially fill the nickel spot kickng Love to the slot. kind of a 3 saftey big Nickel package.
My sense might be that Ballentine could adapt to being the deep saftey. maybe allow him to break on the ball and essentially become a weapon for us back there as he has good ball skills and is good woth the ball in his hands. Not in a base set but in a passing down sub package that allows for Peppers and Love to be aggressive blitzing from the slot
CMicks3110 : don't know if this guy is legit
Paul Crane
@PaulCrane7
Told Leonard Floyd close to deal with NYG.
ATL & MIA talking w/ LB Markus Golden
@929TheGame
Hoping this guy is full of shit. Floyd would get eaten alive by the OL’s in this division.
I think the biggest knock on Floyd is probably his durability. He has been a disappointment as a pass rusher, but I would assume if the Giants sign him - they'd move him around. He's actually very good in coverage and may reduce the desire for a guy like Isaiah Simmons...which would turn their attention more towards OT.
I'm not saying Floyd is Simmons by any stretch. But they may feel he can do a lot of the same things...at least along that LB front.
like Clowney hasn't seen the market he was hoping to.
Wonder if the Giants swoop back in at a short term deal with a lower number. 3/54 or something Link - ( New Window )
I think the market for a lot of these guys isn't what they are hoping for, hence the 3 year deals. No one wants a 3 year deal but if the guaranteed money isn't all that different from what you would be offered at 4 or 5 years, might as well take the shorter contract and try again next time.
He was awful this past year but he was moved all around the line and played mostly out of position. He was a stud at RT prior to the injury so as long as you're not relying on him regaining form and you play him there where he's best suited it could be a low risk, high reward move.
I know WR isnt exactly at the top of the needs list
that all makes a lot of sense. With Bethea cut they are back around $20m, if they save some money on Solder maybe that gets them to $25m. Plus Pulley/Rosas are another $6m that can be easily replaced if nec.
1 year $3-5m deals for Williams, Floyd, Karras would be an ideal use of the remaining bigger ticket adds. All 3 have starting experience. Hopefully we can snag at least 2 of them.
FS and WR are interesting lower priority spots to add bodies. I still like Coleman and he's the exact type of field stretcher we need. He could be next year's Breshad Perriman (who is also out there but likely a little too much $).
Not sure what's out there that fits at FS. Logan Ryan would be amazing but I'd imagine he will get a good $ deal somewhere.
Don't have many specific names, Looney has been mentioned, Williams as well (Kilgore, Karas, Garland for C)
Sniffing around RB/WR also but monitoring C Coleman, but those positions they might wait for longer than OT/C/ER
Makes sense. Nobody's rushing out to sign Corey Coleman, not with about 100 other UFA WR's available, not to mention how many talented WR's there will be in this year's draft class.
Not a great UFA RB market...maybe a couple of gems. Seems like a lot of age, injury worries, underachievers.
I think there's a valid discussion to be had on someone like Clowney
or Logan Ryan, or Breshad Perriman, or Chris Harris, or Ha Ha clinton dix.
Is a bigger (relative) 1 year deal worth it for a potential plus starter or several depth additions like Karras/Wiliams/Floyd/etc.
I'd probably lean towards the latter. Clowney's upside is obviously worthwhile however if he wants to come here to raise his value on a 1 year deal (no where better and he'd be motivated).
And Ha Ha Clinton Dix would slot in as an immediate starter, if he's got the Saban seal of approval, that could be an impact player. He was on GB with Graham too. He's got 16 ints in 6 years.
Deon Bush is a younger potential lower cost alternative to Dix, he's a highly athletic safety in the same mold who has some starts under his belt in Chicago.
I don't get the infatuation with this guy on BBI. It's been years since he played decent football. Yeah he survived last season without blowing up his knee again. He stank. He was terrible. PFF, who has limited uses for me, but straight stats don't lie have him surrendering 12 Sacks...as an OG.
Let's repeat that. He gave up 12 sacks playing OG. That was the worst in the NFL. His days playing on the edge are done...or they should be unless someone loses their mind.
Everyone wants FA's like Golden last year, that's what Williams is
he is 27 years old and 2 years ago he was an all pro.
if the last 2 years didn't go poorly he wouldn't be readily available for a cheap 1 year contract.
Markus Golden was the exact same way and is proof that sometimes those types of low risk 1 year gambles can pay off. The year before we signed Golden he had a poor season with a new scheme/coaching staff (2.5 sacks). The year before that he missed the entire season with a major injury.
Daryl Williams fits that exact same profile so if you want to make more moves like Markus Golden those are the types of players you are going to be signing.
I don't get the infatuation with this guy on BBI. It's been years since he played decent football. Yeah he survived last season without blowing up his knee again. He stank. He was terrible. PFF, who has limited uses for me, but straight stats don't lie have him surrendering 12 Sacks...as an OG.
Let's repeat that. He gave up 12 sacks playing OG. That was the worst in the NFL. His days playing on the edge are done...or they should be unless someone loses their mind.
He didn't surrender 12 sacks as an OG... He played all over the line for some strange reason. He is a RT
Awful comparison. Giant men don't always respond to leg injuries like others. Mobility is the core skill they require. Williams was tried outside last year. It was a disaster. He hasn't been a decent player for a long, long time now. It's over for him at tackle.
2017 - 16 starts, 2nd team all pro at RT
2018 - 1 game played, major knee injury
2019 - 12 starts split between G/T
He is coming off 1 bad season, which also happened to be his first year post injury and split between different positions. It happens. As I mentioned above it is the exact same profile as Markus Golden.
He gave up 12 sacks in 12 starts last season. That's not bad...it's catastrophic. they couldn't find a place to hide his suck last season. It was a train wreck.
Hard pass.
how was he "awful" in 2018 when he only played 1 game?
Is his health....which still might be a problem....but if he has fully recovered.....it takes more time for big men to fully recover and get back to form.
But if he has....then the Giants should go after....at the right price
Low risk High reward type. If he again sucks you cut him. It doesnt stop us from taking an OT in the 1st round. Hopefully he is back to 100% and you get a solid season from him. At this point there isnt much out there so its a good gamble.
This is different than a Remmers. Remmers was always a stopgap and never played at a high level. his best days were average.
Not through FA which has been a miserable failure for DG over the past 2 years.
Williams coming back from surgery last year was plain awful. Why take the risk. SB and DJ need a good OL.Do it through the draft.
Last I heard they were talking to Solder & checking out the market for Centers.
RT/C is best bet to get signed next.
Have heard they are 'still-in' on Clowney but ALOT has to happen namely, clear some space, possibly let L Williams walk & price would have to go down but nothing further.
Last I heard they were talking to Solder & checking out the market for Centers.
RT/C is best bet to get signed next.
Have heard they are 'still-in' on Clowney but ALOT has to happen namely, clear some space, possibly let L Williams walk & price would have to go down but nothing further.
If not, and we hope/pray the starting C isn't a guy that suited up for NYG last year, we're talking draft.
Ruiz/Cushenberry - both seem to be a borderline elite C prospects
Biadasz - was previously highly regarded but a shoulder injury and some athletic concerns seemingly has dropped his projection
Hennessy - looks solid but if there is a question, its in the power department
Nick Harris - this is a guy that impressed me perhaps more than the prior two guys. His downside is lack of length. But hes strong, tough and quick and really commands the position in a way that NYG hasn't seen since O'Hara.
& personally highly doubt it happens, but would have to in order to get Clowney in.
Will be away for a couple hours will check in later, should hear/see some rumblings after year league starts possibly a signing even tonight
How can they let him walk? Does that mean a 1st is still attached? Thought since he was tagged it automatically means if a team signs Williams, a 1 comes back? I’m now confused.
in an offseason before. With the amount of cap out there I was expecting some game changers. We added 3 decent at best defenders and retained a bunch of guys already on the roster of one of the worst giants teams I’ve ever seen. Very disappointed fan right now. I see no signs of things getting better any time soon.
in an offseason before. With the amount of cap out there I was expecting some game changers. We added 3 decent at best defenders and retained a bunch of guys already on the roster of one of the worst giants teams I’ve ever seen. Very disappointed fan right now. I see no signs of things getting better any time soon.
It doesnt' really make sense to spend big money on these names but the lack of them caring about pass rushers has caught up to them.
& personally highly doubt it happens, but would have to in order to get Clowney in.
Will be away for a couple hours will check in later, should hear/see some rumblings after year league starts possibly a signing even tonight
How can they let him walk? Does that mean a 1st is still attached? Thought since he was tagged it automatically means if a team signs Williams, a 1 comes back? I’m now confused.
They can simply rescind the tag if LW hasn't signed it yet.
yeah there's no game changers, but they should have picked Littleton over Martinez easily (rumor was they didn't even pursue him), Bradberry is a good signing, they constantly every year ignore the pass rush.
in an offseason before. With the amount of cap out there I was expecting some game changers. We added 3 decent at best defenders and retained a bunch of guys already on the roster of one of the worst giants teams I’ve ever seen. Very disappointed fan right now. I see no signs of things getting better any time soon.
This is spot on! All those moves to create cap space and we end up with no game changers and still a good amount of holes to fill. And limited cap space remaining.
in an offseason before. With the amount of cap out there I was expecting some game changers. We added 3 decent at best defenders and retained a bunch of guys already on the roster of one of the worst giants teams I’ve ever seen. Very disappointed fan right now. I see no signs of things getting better any time soon.
Who? Who are these "game-changers" out there in FA?
in an offseason before. With the amount of cap out there I was expecting some game changers. We added 3 decent at best defenders and retained a bunch of guys already on the roster of one of the worst giants teams I’ve ever seen. Very disappointed fan right now. I see no signs of things getting better any time soon.
This is spot on! All those moves to create cap space and we end up with no game changers and still a good amount of holes to fill. And limited cap space remaining.
that I'm seeing on twitter and on facebook from friends
People just have no idea what they want but one thing is for certain, the Giants can't do anything right.
I hate New Yorkers
We want the two biggest weaknesses of the team to be fixed. OL and pass-rush. Neither of those two aspects have even been addressed yet nevermind fixed. Pretty simple.
This GM is inept. 2 Glaring needs for forever it seems. O line and Pass Rushers. Never addressed once again. I know its early but could of picked up a couple guys to address this. Instead we get another D-back and 2 linebackers. Could of got a starting linebacker with our first pick. We already spent a bunch of our cap. Seems like deja vu all over again. I think Mara is just as clueless to keep him around. Looks like another long season
This GM is inept. 2 Glaring needs for forever it seems. O line and Pass Rushers. Never addressed once again. I know its early but could of picked up a couple guys to address this. Instead we get another D-back and 2 linebackers. Could of got a starting linebacker with our first pick. We already spent a bunch of our cap. Seems like deja vu all over again. I think Mara is just as clueless to keep him around. Looks like another long season
its not just Gettleman, Reese ignored both for years too or missed big time.
and certainly fewer who were worth the UFA cost. Fans here tend to overrate UFA, and we're in no position to spend stupidly. And it's free agency, they can sign wherever they want and many people have no interest in living up here.
and certainly fewer who were worth the UFA cost. Fans here tend to overrate UFA, and we're in no position to spend stupidly. And it's free agency, they can sign wherever they want and many people have no interest in living up here.
This is spot on! All those moves to create cap space and we end up with no game changers and still a good amount of holes to fill. And limited cap space remaining.
Obviously you weren't around from 65 to 80 [/quote]
Lol...right your are😀. My fandom with Big Blue started around ‘82. I
This GM is inept. 2 Glaring needs for forever it seems. O line and Pass Rushers. Never addressed once again. I know its early but could of picked up a couple guys to address this. Instead we get another D-back and 2 linebackers. Could of got a starting linebacker with our first pick. We already spent a bunch of our cap. Seems like deja vu all over again. I think Mara is just as clueless to keep him around. Looks like another long season
Gettleman has many faults, but what surefire improvement at OL or Pass Rusher was available that we passed on in Free Agency? Let's also not act like CB and LB weren't needs. Do you really want to go into the season with one of Ballentine, oft-injured Beal, and Grant Haley as your #2 CB and the others as your depth? LB we had Mayo, who is a depth LB not a starter in an ideal world, and Ryan Connelly who nobody knows how he will look coming back from a serious injury.
most of you clown fans would have signed clowney to huge money on the first day and would have given conklin the keys to the castle.
meanwhile in a few years when you cant afford anyone or to extend your QB and RB and you have 25+ a year guy in clowney playing in 10 games a year....then what?
the giants have the need and they know its a need but shopping hungry is DANGEROUS. there isnt much out in the group to say we should have done this or that. the ONLY time ive agreed is that littelton could of maybe been had for 2 mill more per year....that i WOULD have done, but ill leave it up to graham to decide to who fits his scheme best....
im excited for the draft and expect OL early and often. a slight trade back to get some exttra early picks would be great
This GM is inept. 2 Glaring needs for forever it seems. O line and Pass Rushers. Never addressed once again. I know its early but could of picked up a couple guys to address this. Instead we get another D-back and 2 linebackers. Could of got a starting linebacker with our first pick. We already spent a bunch of our cap. Seems like deja vu all over again. I think Mara is just as clueless to keep him around. Looks like another long season
Gettleman has many faults, but what surefire improvement at OL or Pass Rusher was available that we passed on in Free Agency? Let's also not act like CB and LB weren't needs. Do you really want to go into the season with one of Ballentine, oft-injured Beal, and Grant Haley as your #2 CB and the others as your depth? LB we had Mayo, who is a depth LB not a starter in an ideal world, and Ryan Connelly who nobody knows how he will look coming back from a serious injury.
its about who he went after tho. He went for another guy good against the run but not against the pass. Littleton made much more sense to go after than Martinez did.
This GM is inept. 2 Glaring needs for forever it seems. O line and Pass Rushers. Never addressed once again. I know its early but could of picked up a couple guys to address this. Instead we get another D-back and 2 linebackers. Could of got a starting linebacker with our first pick. We already spent a bunch of our cap. Seems like deja vu all over again. I think Mara is just as clueless to keep him around. Looks like another long season
One of those LB is an OLB who is a pass rusher. Pay attention.
No argument there. But our needs can be addressed, and they haven't up to this point. Now, I know they will be addressed in the draft. But they'll be rookies and some might not be ready to contribute right off the bat. Besides, as we all know, the best teams are a mix of good, proven vets and rookies. We might get our hands on some good rookies, but alot of our vets just aren't good enough. In 2005 we had guys like Plax, Pierce, and McKenzie. Sorry but Martinez, Golden, and the like don't come close to those guys.
most of you clown fans would have signed clowney to huge money on the first day and would have given conklin the keys to the castle.
meanwhile in a few years when you cant afford anyone or to extend your QB and RB and you have 25+ a year guy in clowney playing in 10 games a year....then what?
the giants have the need and they know its a need but shopping hungry is DANGEROUS. there isnt much out in the group to say we should have done this or that. the ONLY time ive agreed is that littelton could of maybe been had for 2 mill more per year....that i WOULD have done, but ill leave it up to graham to decide to who fits his scheme best....
im excited for the draft and expect OL early and often. a slight trade back to get some exttra early picks would be great
You said the same shit last year and the year before, and we won a combined 9 games in those two seasons.
This GM is inept. 2 Glaring needs for forever it seems. O line and Pass Rushers. Never addressed once again. I know its early but could of picked up a couple guys to address this. Instead we get another D-back and 2 linebackers. Could of got a starting linebacker with our first pick. We already spent a bunch of our cap. Seems like deja vu all over again. I think Mara is just as clueless to keep him around. Looks like another long season
Gettleman has many faults, but what surefire improvement at OL or Pass Rusher was available that we passed on in Free Agency? Let's also not act like CB and LB weren't needs. Do you really want to go into the season with one of Ballentine, oft-injured Beal, and Grant Haley as your #2 CB and the others as your depth? LB we had Mayo, who is a depth LB not a starter in an ideal world, and Ryan Connelly who nobody knows how he will look coming back from a serious injury.
its about who he went after tho. He went for another guy good against the run but not against the pass. Littleton made much more sense to go after than Martinez did.
I agree I would rather have targeted Littleton. However, we don't know what happens behind the scenes. If Patrick Graham said that Martinez is the LB he needs to run his Defense and that he can get him back to the form he showed in 2017 and 2018 should the GM just ignore that? How many times under Jim Fassel did we have Ernie Accorsi selecting players who could not possibly fit the schemes we were running?
This GM is inept. 2 Glaring needs for forever it seems. O line and Pass Rushers. Never addressed once again. I know its early but could of picked up a couple guys to address this. Instead we get another D-back and 2 linebackers. Could of got a starting linebacker with our first pick. We already spent a bunch of our cap. Seems like deja vu all over again. I think Mara is just as clueless to keep him around. Looks like another long season
Gettleman has many faults, but what surefire improvement at OL or Pass Rusher was available that we passed on in Free Agency? Let's also not act like CB and LB weren't needs. Do you really want to go into the season with one of Ballentine, oft-injured Beal, and Grant Haley as your #2 CB and the others as your depth? LB we had Mayo, who is a depth LB not a starter in an ideal world, and Ryan Connelly who nobody knows how he will look coming back from a serious injury.
its about who he went after tho. He went for another guy good against the run but not against the pass. Littleton made much more sense to go after than Martinez did.
I agree I would rather have targeted Littleton. However, we don't know what happens behind the scenes. If Patrick Graham said that Martinez is the LB he needs to run his Defense and that he can get him back to the form he showed in 2017 and 2018 should the GM just ignore that? How many times under Jim Fassel did we have Ernie Accorsi selecting players who could not possibly fit the schemes we were running?
A lot has to happen before people puff out their chests
And with a new Head Coach and brand new coaching staff, they are in Year One of that re-build.
Sorry to those who thought otherwise.
They are going to build this team primarily through the Draft (which includes the past two Drafts), and allow all the young players to grow up together on the field and in the locker room. That also includes 26-year old James Bradberry (and 25-year old Leonard Williams).
Once a critical mass occurs, then the Giants will probably purchase a very expensive free agent or two in the hope that they represent the final piece for a serious playoff run.
But that is not what the 2020 Free Agency Season is all about.
Not at all.
I get the frustration - this is new coaching staff, Volume 3
I think Golden is underrated. look at his numbers and film before the injury and his film and numbers this past year. he's that tier just below those elite pass rushers, IMO. I used to think he was just and effort, hustle type player but he's better than that.
Martinez - I think one of the biggest issues with the Giants the past few years has been the confusion - two years into Bettcher's reign and they were still a mess. I'm think Martinez can handle the job. and he's a solid player. you have a lot of B-B+ football players you can have a pretty good defense.
biggest unknowns this year - what can new staff get out of Carter, XMan and Connelly.
does anyone actually think "winning" free agency matters?
seriously when is the last time a team won free agency with big signings that also created a winning team once games began? The 2016 Giants?
I'm not saying FA is unimportant or should be avoided altogether - just that rarely are the teams who make the biggest splash rewarded with the best results. Free agency is a way to supplement a roster and fill holes temporarily, not build a winner. Isn't that pretty universally accepted?
So far they've been prudent spending $ which is more than half of the battle. And secondarily they've added players the coaches have experience with - so the success of this FA will be heavily weighted towards how good or bad those coaches are (particularly Graham since he's coached 2 of the 3 defensive players signed).
I think Golden is underrated. look at his numbers and film before the injury and his film and numbers this past year. he's that tier just below those elite pass rushers, IMO. I used to think he was just and effort, hustle type player but he's better than that.
Martinez - I think one of the biggest issues with the Giants the past few years has been the confusion - two years into Bettcher's reign and they were still a mess. I'm think Martinez can handle the job. and he's a solid player. you have a lot of B-B+ football players you can have a pretty good defense.
biggest unknowns this year - what can new staff get out of Carter, XMan and Connelly.
Martinez can't cover and our defense has a track record recently of getting destroyed by TE's. The last thing we needed was another TE who can't cover.
This is what we're talking about. DG repeats signings. He wants to stock up on DT but not address LB who can cover a TE, or pass-rush. And he still hasn't. Year after year it's the same offseason, with awful results in-season.
What makes anyone think the Giants personnel department
can choose a decent OT in the draft. I am not convinced they can. Why are we wasting premium 1st round picks on this position over and over again. It is a tough position to evaluate especially for the Giants. Stop wasting these picks already. The fans always think they have the answer but they never do. Sick of it myself. Who was the last decent LT drafted by the Giants Jumbo Elliott ?
Intelligent measured assessment has nothing to do with BBI during Free Agency week. LOL.
If people had 'accurate perspective' here, they wouldn't have praised the past several offseasons when they've gotten the same result in season every season of those supposedly good off-seasons. That ship sailed ions ago.
RE: RE: I get the frustration - this is new coaching staff, Volume 3
I think Golden is underrated. look at his numbers and film before the injury and his film and numbers this past year. he's that tier just below those elite pass rushers, IMO. I used to think he was just and effort, hustle type player but he's better than that.
Martinez - I think one of the biggest issues with the Giants the past few years has been the confusion - two years into Bettcher's reign and they were still a mess. I'm think Martinez can handle the job. and he's a solid player. you have a lot of B-B+ football players you can have a pretty good defense.
biggest unknowns this year - what can new staff get out of Carter, XMan and Connelly.
Martinez can't cover and our defense has a track record recently of getting destroyed by TE's. The last thing we needed was another TE who can't cover.
This is what we're talking about. DG repeats signings. He wants to stock up on DT but not address LB who can cover a TE, or pass-rush. And he still hasn't. Year after year it's the same offseason, with awful results in-season.
He has addressed it, you just don't like the direction they chose to go in
Every team has the same problem with coverage linebackers. They aren't a dime a dozen. They are hard to find. Every team has trouble with protection on the O-Line. More and more every year actually. If it was so easy to find these guys, they wouldn't be in such demand when they became available
There are only so many players to go around. And when to have 10-15 teams with enough cap space to do whatever they want, prices are going to be expensive. And it's not smart for a team with so many holes to get into a bidding war for one of them.
RE: What makes anyone think the Giants personnel department
can choose a decent OT in the draft. I am not convinced they can. Why are we wasting premium 1st round picks on this position over and over again. It is a tough position to evaluate especially for the Giants. Stop wasting these picks already. The fans always think they have the answer but they never do. Sick of it myself. Who was the last decent LT drafted by the Giants Jumbo Elliott ?
What is ironic is, BBI would kill for a Will Beatty right now.
RE: RE: RE: I get the frustration - this is new coaching staff, Volume 3
I think Golden is underrated. look at his numbers and film before the injury and his film and numbers this past year. he's that tier just below those elite pass rushers, IMO. I used to think he was just and effort, hustle type player but he's better than that.
Martinez - I think one of the biggest issues with the Giants the past few years has been the confusion - two years into Bettcher's reign and they were still a mess. I'm think Martinez can handle the job. and he's a solid player. you have a lot of B-B+ football players you can have a pretty good defense.
biggest unknowns this year - what can new staff get out of Carter, XMan and Connelly.
Martinez can't cover and our defense has a track record recently of getting destroyed by TE's. The last thing we needed was another TE who can't cover.
This is what we're talking about. DG repeats signings. He wants to stock up on DT but not address LB who can cover a TE, or pass-rush. And he still hasn't. Year after year it's the same offseason, with awful results in-season.
He has addressed it, you just don't like the direction they chose to go in
Every team has the same problem with coverage linebackers. They aren't a dime a dozen. They are hard to find. Every team has trouble with protection on the O-Line. More and more every year actually. If it was so easy to find these guys, they wouldn't be in such demand when they became available
There are only so many players to go around. And when to have 10-15 teams with enough cap space to do whatever they want, prices are going to be expensive. And it's not smart for a team with so many holes to get into a bidding war for one of them.
but Connelly had shown some potential re: pass rush. And Golden had 12 sacks.
Carter has taken longer, and I think some of it had to do with Bettcher.
Speaking of same - The sports article I'm waiting to be written is "What happened to Bettcher - the guy who churned out all those solid Cards' defenses"?
most of you clown fans would have signed clowney to huge money on the first day and would have given conklin the keys to the castle.
meanwhile in a few years when you cant afford anyone or to extend your QB and RB and you have 25+ a year guy in clowney playing in 10 games a year....then what?
the giants have the need and they know its a need but shopping hungry is DANGEROUS. there isnt much out in the group to say we should have done this or that. the ONLY time ive agreed is that littelton could of maybe been had for 2 mill more per year....that i WOULD have done, but ill leave it up to graham to decide to who fits his scheme best....
im excited for the draft and expect OL early and often. a slight trade back to get some exttra early picks would be great
15 mil per year to a middling CB is smart when the OL is in shambles? 10 mil per to a middling LB is smart?
Conklin would’ve been a great signing especially at the price point he signed. Much better than what the Giants ended up with.
RE: RE: RE: RE: I get the frustration - this is new coaching staff, Volume 3
I think Golden is underrated. look at his numbers and film before the injury and his film and numbers this past year. he's that tier just below those elite pass rushers, IMO. I used to think he was just and effort, hustle type player but he's better than that.
Martinez - I think one of the biggest issues with the Giants the past few years has been the confusion - two years into Bettcher's reign and they were still a mess. I'm think Martinez can handle the job. and he's a solid player. you have a lot of B-B+ football players you can have a pretty good defense.
biggest unknowns this year - what can new staff get out of Carter, XMan and Connelly.
Martinez can't cover and our defense has a track record recently of getting destroyed by TE's. The last thing we needed was another TE who can't cover.
This is what we're talking about. DG repeats signings. He wants to stock up on DT but not address LB who can cover a TE, or pass-rush. And he still hasn't. Year after year it's the same offseason, with awful results in-season.
He has addressed it, you just don't like the direction they chose to go in
Every team has the same problem with coverage linebackers. They aren't a dime a dozen. They are hard to find. Every team has trouble with protection on the O-Line. More and more every year actually. If it was so easy to find these guys, they wouldn't be in such demand when they became available
There are only so many players to go around. And when to have 10-15 teams with enough cap space to do whatever they want, prices are going to be expensive. And it's not smart for a team with so many holes to get into a bidding war for one of them.
Where have they addressed OL and pass-rush?
You said linebackers in your previous post. You don't like the players they chose, fine. But to say they haven't addressed it is twitter bullshit
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: I get the frustration - this is new coaching staff, Volume 3
I think Golden is underrated. look at his numbers and film before the injury and his film and numbers this past year. he's that tier just below those elite pass rushers, IMO. I used to think he was just and effort, hustle type player but he's better than that.
Martinez - I think one of the biggest issues with the Giants the past few years has been the confusion - two years into Bettcher's reign and they were still a mess. I'm think Martinez can handle the job. and he's a solid player. you have a lot of B-B+ football players you can have a pretty good defense.
biggest unknowns this year - what can new staff get out of Carter, XMan and Connelly.
Martinez can't cover and our defense has a track record recently of getting destroyed by TE's. The last thing we needed was another TE who can't cover.
This is what we're talking about. DG repeats signings. He wants to stock up on DT but not address LB who can cover a TE, or pass-rush. And he still hasn't. Year after year it's the same offseason, with awful results in-season.
He has addressed it, you just don't like the direction they chose to go in
Every team has the same problem with coverage linebackers. They aren't a dime a dozen. They are hard to find. Every team has trouble with protection on the O-Line. More and more every year actually. If it was so easy to find these guys, they wouldn't be in such demand when they became available
There are only so many players to go around. And when to have 10-15 teams with enough cap space to do whatever they want, prices are going to be expensive. And it's not smart for a team with so many holes to get into a bidding war for one of them.
Where have they addressed OL and pass-rush?
You said linebackers in your previous post. You don't like the players they chose, fine. But to say they haven't addressed it is twitter bullshit
No. I said OL and pass rush are our two biggest weaknesses and they have not been addressed.
in an offseason before. With the amount of cap out there I was expecting some game changers. We added 3 decent at best defenders and retained a bunch of guys already on the roster of one of the worst giants teams I’ve ever seen. Very disappointed fan right now. I see no signs of things getting better any time soon.
What were you looking for? Clowney, Jones, and Conklin?
Most here know I’m no Dave fan, but he played this well. Time will tell if he acquired the right players. I have my reservations regarding the GB LB’s, but that’s another topic. If you were looking for instant gratification in 2020, you’re probably going to be disappointed. This is still one of the 3-5 least talented rosters in the league and it likely will be throughout 2020. They were never surpassing Dallas or Philadelphia this offseason. I’m ready for a 4-6 win year again, unfortunately. Maybe you should start preparing for that possibility as well. The only silver lining I see in it is maybe, just maybe, John will have seen enough from Dave and send him off into retirement in early 2021....
Intelligent measured assessment has nothing to do with BBI during Free Agency week. LOL.
If people had 'accurate perspective' here, they wouldn't have praised the past several offseasons when they've gotten the same result in season every season of those supposedly good off-seasons. That ship sailed ions ago.
I try to deliver it. I should quit. LOL
This was a mediocre pass rush and OL free agent class
The only OL that deserved the price he got was Castonzo. Yes, that includes Conklin who is overrated here. Who wanted to pay Donte Fowler $16M a year? Or any of this years 'top tier' guys what they got paid?
Those are long term bad decisions. The way you win is to consistently make good long term decisions. That's what we've done so far this year.
The only things I would have done differently is signed Schobert/Littleton/Kwiatkoski at their price before giving Martinez $10M. And I would have signed McGovern at OC for his price. Of course we don't know the details of offers, negotiations etc for the players we inquired about. You can't make players sign with you.
They drafted how many CBs the last 2 years? and then they spend their one big deal on a CB like Bradberry who I like, but still whats the plan?. Linebackers is basically a revolving door from average to below average, Littleton would have been a piece you could build with.. He constantly drafts defensive tackles despite having how many? THey're not push rushers, you dont need 10 of them.
Seriously, obviously we're in a rebuild, but what exactly is the plan here?
don't want to sign here. If that's the reason, then I guess nothing can be said and I can't blame them. This is a franchise that has been losing for almost a decade straight and has lost 9 games in the last two seasons. If they have a plan, it doesn't really seem to be apparent outside of being at least somewhat sold on Daniel Jones. Everything else kind of seems up in the air at best. And I guess these FA's aren't being won over with what the Giants are telling them in their meetings with them in free agency.
the whole over investment at CB argument has been debunked and destroyed. The assets used there including Baker were more than reasonable and a lot less than many NFL teams. Signing Bradberry puts us a lot more in line with most teams at what is a critical position requiring at least three very good players to be successful.
the whole over investment at CB argument has been debunked and destroyed. The assets used there including Baker were more than reasonable and a lot less than many NFL teams. Signing Bradberry puts us a lot more in line with most teams at what is a critical position requiring at least three very good players to be successful.
and the defensive tackles? How many of those do we need?. We had like 3 before he took Lawrence (when there was an edge rusher sitting there), then we gave up picks to trade for Williams who is yet another defensive tackle. it makes zero sense. They have no plan.
You need 4 good ones. These big boys have to rotate. Again our investment there is in line with what it takes to be successful. Look at the 49ers group for example. They have much more sunk into draft picks and money invested than we do. Four man line but still not close.
You aren't very knowledgeable about roster construction are you?
They drafted how many CBs the last 2 years? and then they spend their one big deal on a CB like Bradberry who I like, but still whats the plan?. Linebackers is basically a revolving door from average to below average, Littleton would have been a piece you could build with.. He constantly drafts defensive tackles despite having how many? THey're not push rushers, you dont need 10 of them.
Seriously, obviously we're in a rebuild, but what exactly is the plan here?
What would you expect management to publicly announce about their plan to rebuild the franchise? Who they will target in free agency? Who they will target in the draft? What positions they will prioritize?
That isn't how any team in any sport works.
I would agree that not signing a viable Center is concerning
Their were not many on the market or any great OL prospects but I really liked McGovern and would have felt really good if we could have strengthened at least one of the C/RT positions this offseason.
I can understand the Bradberry signing, I am warming to the Martinez signing, I actually really like Fackrell..the guy is a total under the radar signing.
Tagging Williams was predictable and he is a good player.
Hopefully we find a Center in the draft.
RE: What makes anyone think the Giants personnel department
can choose a decent OT in the draft. I am not convinced they can. Why are we wasting premium 1st round picks on this position over and over again. It is a tough position to evaluate especially for the Giants. Stop wasting these picks already. The fans always think they have the answer but they never do. Sick of it myself. Who was the last decent LT drafted by the Giants Jumbo Elliott ?
"Over and over again?" Not really. It's actually been three since 1999, two since 2012. Perhaps if, in the last ten years, the Giants had drafted one less CB in the 1st round and one more OT instead, they would have been better off. Ditto for RB.
Does anyone know why we have not tried to re-sign Golden?
I know we aren’t competing for championships this year or maybe even next year, but they could’ve signed some impact players with the cap space they had and fought for one of the 3 wild card spots. Instead they continue to ignore OL and Edge, our two most important weaknesses.
I’m so tired of seeing beat writers tell us that said player is priced above our range. Like they aren’t trying to get better, at least they aren’t acting like it. And I’m never one to be one of those “sky is falling” guys, but when I spend my hard earned money each year on season tickets I expect an effort. Now they’re saying that Jenkins is costing too much as well? I mean cmon. I totally agree with not paying Floyd $13mil, well done there. But to not try and get a Jenkins, Fowler, Re-sign Golden, or Hell even give Kennard money to come back is ridiculous. He only got $20 mil over 3 hrs from ARZ. Shit needs to change.
End rant.
RE: RE: RE: Does anyone know why we have not tried to re-sign Golden?
I know we aren’t competing for championships this year or maybe even next year, but they could’ve signed some impact players with the cap space they had and fought for one of the 3 wild card spots. Instead they continue to ignore OL and Edge, our two most important weaknesses.
I’m so tired of seeing beat writers tell us that said player is priced above our range. Like they aren’t trying to get better, at least they aren’t acting like it. And I’m never one to be one of those “sky is falling” guys, but when I spend my hard earned money each year on season tickets I expect an effort. Now they’re saying that Jenkins is costing too much as well? I mean cmon. I totally agree with not paying Floyd $13mil, well done there. But to not try and get a Jenkins, Fowler, Re-sign Golden, or Hell even give Kennard money to come back is ridiculous. He only got $20 mil over 3 hrs from ARZ. Shit needs to change.
End rant.
I hear your frustration but we don't know what Jenkins is asking for. Maybe like Floyd, it's also too much for who he is. Fowler got paid very well for who he is too. He's had 1 double digit sack season (like the guy we signed for much less) and that took playing on a defense with Aaron Donald. I wouldn't have given him that contract personally.
I'd still like to bring Golden back and will hold out hope until we hear he signed elsewhere.
I know we aren’t competing for championships this year or maybe even next year, but they could’ve signed some impact players with the cap space they had and fought for one of the 3 wild card spots. Instead they continue to ignore OL and Edge, our two most important weaknesses.
I’m so tired of seeing beat writers tell us that said player is priced above our range. Like they aren’t trying to get better, at least they aren’t acting like it. And I’m never one to be one of those “sky is falling” guys, but when I spend my hard earned money each year on season tickets I expect an effort. Now they’re saying that Jenkins is costing too much as well? I mean cmon. I totally agree with not paying Floyd $13mil, well done there. But to not try and get a Jenkins, Fowler, Re-sign Golden, or Hell even give Kennard money to come back is ridiculous. He only got $20 mil over 3 hrs from ARZ. Shit needs to change.
End rant.
I hear your frustration but we don't know what Jenkins is asking for. Maybe like Floyd, it's also too much for who he is. Fowler got paid very well for who he is too. He's had 1 double digit sack season (like the guy we signed for much less) and that took playing on a defense with Aaron Donald. I wouldn't have given him that contract personally.
I'd still like to bring Golden back and will hold out hope until we hear he signed elsewhere.
Yes Fowler got paid a ton, but Jenkins isn’t or at least shouldn’t be asking for that. So they should be ponying up for him. They can back load his contract in years 2/3 and with the cap rising, it’s not gonna look like a bad deal at all in the future. The prices for players is only going to do the to go up. I’m so frustrated with the moves we continue to make. And ppl will say, they still have the draft but I don’t want to hear that. We’ve ignored OL in the draft year after year, minus Flowers and Hernandez. And we haven’t hit on a pass rusher since JPP. Again, shit needs to change.
I know we aren’t competing for championships this year or maybe even next year, but they could’ve signed some impact players with the cap space they had and fought for one of the 3 wild card spots. Instead they continue to ignore OL and Edge, our two most important weaknesses.
I’m so tired of seeing beat writers tell us that said player is priced above our range. Like they aren’t trying to get better, at least they aren’t acting like it. And I’m never one to be one of those “sky is falling” guys, but when I spend my hard earned money each year on season tickets I expect an effort. Now they’re saying that Jenkins is costing too much as well? I mean cmon. I totally agree with not paying Floyd $13mil, well done there. But to not try and get a Jenkins, Fowler, Re-sign Golden, or Hell even give Kennard money to come back is ridiculous. He only got $20 mil over 3 hrs from ARZ. Shit needs to change.
End rant.
You’re ranting about Jenkins, Golden, Fowler, Kennard?
Come on.
You realize we still have the draft right?
I’d rather draft OL or Edge than tie up $20m-$30m on marginal players we will cut in a year.
I know we aren’t competing for championships this year or maybe even next year, but they could’ve signed some impact players with the cap space they had and fought for one of the 3 wild card spots. Instead they continue to ignore OL and Edge, our two most important weaknesses.
I’m so tired of seeing beat writers tell us that said player is priced above our range. Like they aren’t trying to get better, at least they aren’t acting like it. And I’m never one to be one of those “sky is falling” guys, but when I spend my hard earned money each year on season tickets I expect an effort. Now they’re saying that Jenkins is costing too much as well? I mean cmon. I totally agree with not paying Floyd $13mil, well done there. But to not try and get a Jenkins, Fowler, Re-sign Golden, or Hell even give Kennard money to come back is ridiculous. He only got $20 mil over 3 hrs from ARZ. Shit needs to change.
End rant.
You’re ranting about Jenkins, Golden, Fowler, Kennard?
Come on.
You realize we still have the draft right?
I’d rather draft OL or Edge than tie up $20m-$30m on marginal players we will cut in a year.
This is the typical response from a Giants fan who continues to believe in an organization to a fault. Smh. Because they’ve been killing drafts right? Please stop it.
Jenkins is looking for a deal worth $13M/year. Definitely too rich for him.
Every contract is too rich! It’s the NFL. And next years contracts will be higher, and the year after that, and the year after that. You have to pay players. It’s simple.
I know we aren’t competing for championships this year or maybe even next year, but they could’ve signed some impact players with the cap space they had and fought for one of the 3 wild card spots. Instead they continue to ignore OL and Edge, our two most important weaknesses.
I’m so tired of seeing beat writers tell us that said player is priced above our range. Like they aren’t trying to get better, at least they aren’t acting like it. And I’m never one to be one of those “sky is falling” guys, but when I spend my hard earned money each year on season tickets I expect an effort. Now they’re saying that Jenkins is costing too much as well? I mean cmon. I totally agree with not paying Floyd $13mil, well done there. But to not try and get a Jenkins, Fowler, Re-sign Golden, or Hell even give Kennard money to come back is ridiculous. He only got $20 mil over 3 hrs from ARZ. Shit needs to change.
End rant.
You’re ranting about Jenkins, Golden, Fowler, Kennard?
Come on.
You realize we still have the draft right?
I’d rather draft OL or Edge than tie up $20m-$30m on marginal players we will cut in a year.
This is the typical response from a Giants fan who continues to believe in an organization to a fault. Smh. Because they’ve been killing drafts right? Please stop it.
Have they been killing it in free agency for the past couple of years?
Jenkins is looking for a deal worth $13M/year. Definitely too rich for him.
Every contract is too rich! It’s the NFL. And next years contracts will be higher, and the year after that, and the year after that. You have to pay players. It’s simple.
If Jenkins has another year where he has 6-8 sacks, but has 40-45 tackles with it, $13M next season would look like a massive steal if the cap goes to the $250M range. $13M AAV can look like $17-$18M AAV...
Jenkins is looking for a deal worth $13M/year. Definitely too rich for him.
Every contract is too rich! It’s the NFL. And next years contracts will be higher, and the year after that, and the year after that. You have to pay players. It’s simple.
If Jenkins has another year where he has 6-8 sacks, but has 40-45 tackles with it, $13M next season would look like a massive steal if the cap goes to the $250M range. $13M AAV can look like $17-$18M AAV...
Exactly, these guys arguing against spending clearly don’t understand Inflation lol. Next years guys are gonna make soooo much more. But instead we sit around and sign 3rd string blocking TE’s who made $800k last year and give them $3.5mil this year. But hey, I don’t know shit.
I know we aren’t competing for championships this year or maybe even next year, but they could’ve signed some impact players with the cap space they had and fought for one of the 3 wild card spots. Instead they continue to ignore OL and Edge, our two most important weaknesses.
I’m so tired of seeing beat writers tell us that said player is priced above our range. Like they aren’t trying to get better, at least they aren’t acting like it. And I’m never one to be one of those “sky is falling” guys, but when I spend my hard earned money each year on season tickets I expect an effort. Now they’re saying that Jenkins is costing too much as well? I mean cmon. I totally agree with not paying Floyd $13mil, well done there. But to not try and get a Jenkins, Fowler, Re-sign Golden, or Hell even give Kennard money to come back is ridiculous. He only got $20 mil over 3 hrs from ARZ. Shit needs to change.
End rant.
You’re ranting about Jenkins, Golden, Fowler, Kennard?
Come on.
You realize we still have the draft right?
I’d rather draft OL or Edge than tie up $20m-$30m on marginal players we will cut in a year.
This is the typical response from a Giants fan who continues to believe in an organization to a fault. Smh. Because they’ve been killing drafts right? Please stop it.
Nah, wrong guy. They're f'ed up a ton for sure. But, look at it objectively, they've been drafting WAY better than FA pickups that's for sure. I'd rather they have spent big money on an impact player - you wanna hitch your wagon to Kennard?
Good luck. Keep ranting buddy.
If you're going off of sack numbers strictly then sure
but both Smith's were/are far superior players to Jenkins. Even just using advanced stats which doesn't tell the full story, Jenkins blitzed 58 times this past year and in total amounted to 4 hurries, 4 qb knockdowns, and 16 pressures.
That comment was totally a joke right? Was it reported anywhere that DG offered him a deal?
. Is this true ? Maybe Judge can get him to be all he can be in NYC. He is a true game changer if her wants to be. Put him and Williams on the line together and draft Simmons. We are contenders next year. Instantly.
a quick point about the state of the roster if we all step back
there are 22 offensive/defensive starters. Heading into FA, you could make an argument that we had 16 positions with relatively clear starters (i'm counting Love at FS, though I think that one is certainly debatable):
9 players on offense (all except C, RT)
7 on defense (needed 1 CB, 2 LB, 1 DL)
Of those 16 starters by the way, 12 were draft picks in the last few years. 2 were trades (Zeitler/Peppers) and 2 were FA's (Solder, Tate).
Tagging LW and signing Bradberry/Martinez/Fackrell hit each of the 4 starting spots on D. It is absolutely fair to disagree and argue on which players should have been signed for those open slots, but IMO no matter who we signed the more consequential factor of where this team is going next year is how the new coaching staff does developing and getting the most out of those 12 homegrown players who were already here and the additional players added in the draft next month - at least 2 of whom are likely to be day 1 starters.
Ian Rapoport @RapSheet
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Seattle #Seahawks starting free safety Tedric Thompson has been given permission to seek a trade, source said. Would likely be for a late-round draft pick.
That comment was totally a joke right? Was it reported anywhere that DG offered him a deal?
. Is this true ? Maybe Judge can get him to be all he can be in NYC. He is a true game changer if her wants to be. Put him and Williams on the line together and draft Simmons. We are contenders next year. Instantly.
If Clowney was a game changer, Houston would not have traded him and Seattle would not have let him go. Now, 3 strikes and you’re out.
RE: I'd be all over this - Thompson is a solid ball hawk
Ian Rapoport @RapSheet
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Seattle #Seahawks starting free safety Tedric Thompson has been given permission to seek a trade, source said. Would likely be for a late-round draft pick.
Coming off an injury, but I like your train of thought here. There are some interesting signs he can make plays...
Are generally hard for Safeties to come back from 100% effective they were before injury. He’s still young so has that going for him in regards to recovery.
Ian Rapoport @RapSheet
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Seattle #Seahawks starting free safety Tedric Thompson has been given permission to seek a trade, source said. Would likely be for a late-round draft pick.
If he could be bad for a late round pick sign me up. That would allow Love to play the slot more often and Graham could deploy 3 safety sets like the Giants did years ago when they signed Deon Grant.
specifically a rangy centerfielder would allow Love to play slot and Peppers to play in the box - both seemed to do well in those roles.
Clinton Dix would be a fit but you've got to think that if Judge had a good review on him from the Saban crew he might have been an initial target. I believe Graham was on the staff when he was in GB too.
Surprised we’ve heard nothing on Oline Free Agents yet?!
We need to get a RT or Center in Free Agency. Are the Giants waiting for prices to drop? I suppose they’re looking at guys that could be a 1 or 2 year rental and focusing on drafting guys that could become eventual starters?!
RE: Surprised we’ve heard nothing on Oline Free Agents yet?!
We need to get a RT or Center in Free Agency. Are the Giants waiting for prices to drop? I suppose they’re looking at guys that could be a 1 or 2 year rental and focusing on drafting guys that could become eventual starters?!
We need to get a RT or Center in Free Agency. Are the Giants waiting for prices to drop? I suppose they’re looking at guys that could be a 1 or 2 year rental and focusing on drafting guys that could become eventual starters?!
Draft is deep in OL.
I think it’s almost a guarantee that we draft Oline, however, as DG has stated, don’t go shopping hungry.
We need to get a RT or Center in Free Agency. Are the Giants waiting for prices to drop? I suppose they’re looking at guys that could be a 1 or 2 year rental and focusing on drafting guys that could become eventual starters?!
Cameron Fleming sets a floor under the right tackle position for a year. It's a low floor, but at least he's a legitimate NFL player. Might point toward drafting a RT prospect who needs a year of development. The 2020 class seems fairly deep in that type.
but he had a podcast last night on what's going on around the NFL. Keep in mind, a few weeks ago he said that Brady was not coming back to the Pats (he is a consultant with Belichick) and he said he thought he was going to the Titans or Bucs. His next prediction is Jameis is going to New England, but anyway on the Giants
- He thinks Denver is going to release Joe Flacco soon. When they do, the Giants will look to pick him up as a backup to Jones. He noted that Flacco is a similar enough type player to Jones in case there is an injury and he has to step in to run the system. And he will provide a good veteran holding the clipboard for Jones. Makes sense
- The Giants and Seahawks are waiting on Clowney's price to come down. No one is giving him $20M. If he comes down to around $16M, the Giants will be back in on him.
but he had a podcast last night on what's going on around the NFL. Keep in mind, a few weeks ago he said that Brady was not coming back to the Pats (he is a consultant with Belichick) and he said he thought he was going to the Titans or Bucs. His next prediction is Jameis is going to New England, but anyway on the Giants
- He thinks Denver is going to release Joe Flacco soon. When they do, the Giants will look to pick him up as a backup to Jones. He noted that Flacco is a similar enough type player to Jones in case there is an injury and he has to step in to run the system. And he will provide a good veteran holding the clipboard for Jones. Makes sense
- The Giants and Seahawks are waiting on Clowney's price to come down. No one is giving him $20M. If he comes down to around $16M, the Giants will be back in on him.
I thought I read (RapSheet maybe?) that Denver was definitely about to dump Flacco. So stay tuned on that...
but he had a podcast last night on what's going on around the NFL. Keep in mind, a few weeks ago he said that Brady was not coming back to the Pats (he is a consultant with Belichick) and he said he thought he was going to the Titans or Bucs. His next prediction is Jameis is going to New England, but anyway on the Giants
- He thinks Denver is going to release Joe Flacco soon. When they do, the Giants will look to pick him up as a backup to Jones. He noted that Flacco is a similar enough type player to Jones in case there is an injury and he has to step in to run the system. And he will provide a good veteran holding the clipboard for Jones. Makes sense
- The Giants and Seahawks are waiting on Clowney's price to come down. No one is giving him $20M. If he comes down to around $16M, the Giants will be back in on him.
And to the point of the Pats. Maybe Bill’s plan up there is to bottom out and position himself for Lawrence or Fields in 2021? I’m trying to find the team(s) looking to get bad enough for those guys and SD is another “contender”along with Jacksonville, and maybe Carolina and Chicago thus far.
but he had a podcast last night on what's going on around the NFL. Keep in mind, a few weeks ago he said that Brady was not coming back to the Pats (he is a consultant with Belichick) and he said he thought he was going to the Titans or Bucs. His next prediction is Jameis is going to New England, but anyway on the Giants
- He thinks Denver is going to release Joe Flacco soon. When they do, the Giants will look to pick him up as a backup to Jones. He noted that Flacco is a similar enough type player to Jones in case there is an injury and he has to step in to run the system. And he will provide a good veteran holding the clipboard for Jones. Makes sense
- The Giants and Seahawks are waiting on Clowney's price to come down. No one is giving him $20M. If he comes down to around $16M, the Giants will be back in on him.
I like Dave Te. Hope he is right on both fronts.
I believe Belichek wants to troll the entire league and win w/ a loser
I don't know if he will pick Jameis or Dalton, but I think there is nothing Belichek would love to do more than to pick up a guy that everyone else says is a loser and can't win a big game, and win a championship with that person.
And before anyone says it's not possible, Parcells almost did it with Vinny testaverde.
Obviously Stidham could also be in play and I'm sure they will let him (and maybe another draft pick) compete for the job.
But I believe that is what Belichek wants to do and the fact that it would also lead some to (wrongly) throw cold water on Brady is icing on the cake for him.
but he had a podcast last night on what's going on around the NFL. Keep in mind, a few weeks ago he said that Brady was not coming back to the Pats (he is a consultant with Belichick) and he said he thought he was going to the Titans or Bucs. His next prediction is Jameis is going to New England, but anyway on the Giants
- He thinks Denver is going to release Joe Flacco soon. When they do, the Giants will look to pick him up as a backup to Jones. He noted that Flacco is a similar enough type player to Jones in case there is an injury and he has to step in to run the system. And he will provide a good veteran holding the clipboard for Jones. Makes sense
- The Giants and Seahawks are waiting on Clowney's price to come down. No one is giving him $20M. If he comes down to around $16M, the Giants will be back in on him.
That comment was totally a joke right? Was it reported anywhere that DG offered him a deal?
. Is this true ? Maybe Judge can get him to be all he can be in NYC. He is a true game changer if her wants to be. Put him and Williams on the line together and draft Simmons. We are contenders next year. Instantly.
Perhaps, but maybe not because the team has gone yet another year without a serious upgrade to a very bad OL.
If I was Billy B, I would consider Winston but only if Winston came
I do not think there is much left in the bank for NYG. Unless they get LW to a long term deal at the expected $12-13m(freeing about $3, and get Solder to take a pay cut, I do not see where they would get money for a Clowney and still have $6-7 for the draft picks. I really do not think there is enough for Golden, unless he takes about a $8m contract.
They signed McCoy, doubt Flacco is in the picture - he could go to NE.
How much is Alex Tanney cap hit? I see the one who loses out on backup job as getting cut, hopefully it will free up some space. Are teams allowed to go into camp over the cap as long as they don’t exceed it week 1?
@Connor_J_Hughes
And yes, as
@art_stapleton
said, and now per my sources, the #Giants are in on him
Not sure.
Paul Schwartz
@NYPost_Schwartz
Giants have expressed interest in OLB Jordan Jenkins, who had 15 sacks the past two seasons for the Jets. Former third-round pick is only 25 years old.
I viewed him as the best value going forward, with age and performance in hand. Yannik was the best choice but he's tagged and going to cost a fortune. I feel Jenkins can be had at a nice value.
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Has Jenkins been even talked about on here?
I viewed him as the best value going forward, with age and performance in hand. Yannik was the best choice but he's tagged and going to cost a fortune. I feel Jenkins can be had at a nice value.
I haven’t seen all that much of him. A solid fit?
BOTTOM LINE Three-year starter who has played both outside linebacker spots in the Bulldogs 3-4 defense. With Jenkins length and outstanding power on the edge, he is a natural fit as an edge-setting strongside 3-4 outside linebacker in the pros. Jenkins may not be viewed as dangerous enough as a pass rusher to warrant a first round pick, but he?s a safe pick whose toughness and football IQ make him an early starter candidate.
-Lance Zierlein
BOTTOM LINE Three-year starter who has played both outside linebacker spots in the Bulldogs 3-4 defense. With Jenkins length and outstanding power on the edge, he is a natural fit as an edge-setting strongside 3-4 outside linebacker in the pros. Jenkins may not be viewed as dangerous enough as a pass rusher to warrant a first round pick, but he?s a safe pick whose toughness and football IQ make him an early starter candidate.
-Lance Zierlein
He also played under our ILB coach, Kevin Sherrer, at Georgia
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Has Jenkins been even talked about on here?
Not sure.
Paul Schwartz
@NYPost_Schwartz
Giants have expressed interest in OLB Jordan Jenkins, who had 15 sacks the past two seasons for the Jets. Former third-round pick is only 25 years old.
Bart Scott ripped him apart a couple of months ago. Said something like his sack numbers were inflated...he got a bunch of coverage sacks thanks to Gregg Williams' schemes...called them "layups." Scott was really down on him, but take it for what it's worth.
This would be a huge get for the Giants and exactly the type of player the Giants should be targeting. I was expecting the Jets to tag him or sign him to a long term deal but it would be a huge blunder on their part to let him walk. Jenkins is just beginning to break out IMO.
I do like buying a young guy with upside who is ascending vs bringing back someone like Golden who is safer but also limited upside.
Yeah, he seems to be more geared to a 4 man front, maybe with some zone blitzes mixed in. I was thinking the with our multiple look he could be a better utilized player. He is improving and I think would have been a good fit, Jenkins may be a better addition as a true 3-4 Edge.
I do like buying a young guy with upside who is ascending vs bringing back someone like Golden who is safer but also limited upside.
There is absolutely some risk here but I am willing to gamble on a young player that's registered 15 sacks over the past two seasons and is only 25. I will admit I was glad that the Giants didn't give Za'Darius Smith that much money last season but I was quickly proved wrong. I don't think Jenkins is as good but it wouldn't surprise me if he becomes a dependable 10-12 sack guy.
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I viewed him as the best value going forward, with age and performance in hand. Yannik was the best choice but he's tagged and going to cost a fortune. I feel Jenkins can be had at a nice value.
Ive been touting Jenkins for some time. Kyler Fackrell and Ogbah as backup plans. Im thinking $13-14M for Jenkins
Jordan Jenkins Georgia - ( New Window )
interesting for sure but only 3-4mm discount to Armstead?
I agree, he’s a Devon Kennard clone, 10m per max
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I agree, he’s a Devon Kennard clone, 10m per max
That may be but his production was more like Zadarius Smith and he is a year younger than Smith was at this time last year.
I agree - from what Judge and graham have said, it looks like they are not as concerned with 3-4 vs 4-3. I think Ogbah will be a value pickup for someone.
$13M for a 25 year old IS 2nd wave type of money. If he was a "1st wave" prospect he would be getting $19-20M, or more likely franchised.
LOL! Hey, I did say take it for what it's worth, ya imgrate.
Anyway...if the Giants are committed to Leonard Williams, what's another former Jet more or less?
Plus, he's a more versatile player, would be a good move.
Not splashy, but a good move nonetheless.
Is he reliable?
never heard of him but found it funny he went from that to this:
Dan Sileo
@DanSileoShow
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I can report the
@Giants
have contacted Clowney!!
One of his tweets is still up...
“ I can report the @Giants have contacted Clowney!!“
full profile - ( New Window )
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and then took it down and tweeted out that the Giants have told him to pump the breaks on the news.
Is he reliable?
Not even a little bit
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Now, if we sign these types of parts over Edge talent, then we could be seeing a shift to more 4-3 fronts if not a base.
I agree - from what Judge and graham have said, it looks like they are not as concerned with 3-4 vs 4-3. I think Ogbah will be a value pickup for someone.
They might not be, but you don't want Ogbah playing 3-4 OLB out in space. He's stiff, it's not his game, as an example.
No way...did the Giants call him to pump breaks
Art Stapleton
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Still hearing #NYGiants are involved in pursuit of Jadeveon Clowney, per source. Not sure where they stand, but at least one team in that chase convinced #NYG are legitimate contenders.
No way...did the Giants call him to pump breaks
Lol the Giants called him. Hahaha. Lol ok buddy.
Mike Garafolo
@MikeGarafolo
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LB Nick Kwiatkoski deal to the #Raiders: Three years, $21 million with $13.5 million in guarantees. More available in incentives.
I don’t see it. He is a good player but I am not sure it fits with what NYG has been saying it wants. Players entering their their second contract in their mid 20’s.
Mike Garafolo
@MikeGarafolo
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LB Nick Kwiatkoski deal to the #Raiders: Three years, $21 million with $13.5 million in guarantees. More available in incentives.
That's a very reasonable deal.
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Adam Schefter
@AdamSchefter
Jack Conklin agreed to a 3-year deal with the Browns for $42M with $30M fully guarantee, per
@RosenhausSports
. He earns $20mil in the first year. Wanted to keep it short due to the projected increases in the salary cap. Conklin will only be 28 when this deal expires.
Adam Schefter
@AdamSchefter
Jack Conklin agreed to a 3-year deal with the Browns for $42M with $30M fully guarantee, per
@RosenhausSports
. He earns $20mil in the first year. Wanted to keep it short due to the projected increases in the salary cap. Conklin will only be 28 when this deal expires.
Not a bad deal from either side
GoDeep13,
You got any asshat info to share?
Realistically no pass rushers with a spotless record hit free agency. Clowney has his warts, but he's probably as good as we're going to get outside of the draft.
I'd much rather pay him 22 mil than Jenkins 13.
Realistically no pass rushers with a spotless record hit free agency. Clowney has his warts, but he's probably as good as we're going to get outside of the draft.
I'd much rather pay him 22 mil than Jenkins 13.
Hard to disagree with that, especially if his deal ends up being less than we expect like many of the other deals done today.
Conklin and Kwiakowski are both about 1/2 what most of their projected deals were.
Last year when the Seahawks got him for a 3rd I figured almost every team in the NFL would have paid that price. There is a chance he's just not a guy teams are going to be willing to get into a massive bidding war for due to his injury history.
Obviously, the talent is there....but the red flags concerns me, especially after getting paid.
Obviously, the talent is there....but the red flags concerns me, especially after getting paid.
Last 2 years combined:
5 FF
5 Fumble Recoveries
2 TDs
12 sacks
23 TFL's
4 passes knocked down
44 QB hits
I am not a bit Clowney fan and highly doubt he will fit what Judget/DG are looking for. But like every other player that's available it will depend on the contract he gets. As Jon mentioned above, it's hard to argue he isn't worth 2x what someone like John Jenkins could get. Or even Golden who we know is far from a game changer. He's got his issues but when healthy he is in the small handful of guys talented enough to be a defensive game wrecker.
Still a ton of ILB's on the board. We're a good 16-18 hours from the time to be concerned
^This. Let the first wave pass, and sign the second tier FAs. I expect and want us to do something, but throwing money at Clowney, Jones, etc. is the wrong move. Competing for these types of players means participating in a bidding war which inevitably results in overpaying. We are also not one or even two or three players away from being competitive.
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you're wise to spend smart and you've got to build a foundation via the draft and its cheaper pipeline. The top UFAs have too many warts to invest open market dollars in. The players you ideally want from UFA rarely are allowed to reach the open market.
^This. Let the first wave pass, and sign the second tier FAs. I expect and want us to do something, but throwing money at Clowney, Jones, etc. is the wrong move. Competing for these types of players means participating in a bidding war which inevitably results in overpaying. We are also not one or even two or three players away from being competitive.
I think Jones is the only player worth throwing big $ at. If NYG land Jones, it allows Baker to shadow him for 3 years as the 2nd CB and develop into a 1 when Jones contract expires. The secondary is a massive defensive hole. Can also allow NYG to hopefully draft Wills at OT number 4. But can hopefully sign Schobert in the $10-$11M range and that’s a lot of holes fixed. At that point, would be competitive even at 8-8 would seem very realistic.
His sack numbers aren’t very very high but his numbers do indeed back it up. Clowney has consistently been at the top of the positional rankings in terms of TFL, QB hits and hurries. This talk that clowney doesn’t put up numbers is completely untrue. I posted them here last week to prove it.
Clowney isn't perfect (if he was Houston would never have let him go) but he's WAY more talented than most guys that hit FA, he would be a huge addition to our lame pass rush, and he actually plays the run pretty well. He's not a line-up-wide-loop-to-the-qb-every-time guy.
I wanna show faith in our new staff and bring in supremely talented guys. Sure I'd be happier if he was cheaper, but that's not how FA works.
That's fake
Come on, dude. Even if you thought it was the real Schefter, the fact that it was tweeted 5 hours ago wasn't a giveaway?
It's fake.
Be better, for fucks sake.
For one brief, shining moment, djm got wood thanks to you.
Um Schobert far from sucks
I'd much much rather Littleton even at an increased cost. I like Schobert better then Martinez though
I would not be surprised if we looked at some former Panthers: FS Tre Boston, RT Daryl Williams and CB Ross Cockrell. All three might be decent value signings.
Curious to see where he lands, and for how much.
And thank goodness for that. More money for the Blake Martinez's of the world.
Woof.
If true, im not too upset about this.
Can we get two fkr price of one? Lol
Fowler and golden?
What is supposed asking price? Fine with this, but there was crazy talk about NYG being very deeply in on him. Martinez at $10M isn’t a ton but many aren’t good with this. If Clowney was in $20-$22 M range that’s a ton as well clearly. NYG need an Edge badly.
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Giants are OUT on Clowney, asking price is too high, they have moved on.
What is supposed asking price? Fine with this, but there was crazy talk about NYG being very deeply in on him. Martinez at $10M isn’t a ton but many aren’t good with this. If Clowney was in $20-$22 M range that’s a ton as well clearly. NYG need an Edge badly.
21 per year range is right. Nearly 70 guaranteed. Last I heard NYG had an offer on the table and are still very much in it.
But.. I've also heard they are checking in on other edge rushers. Perhaps they did drop out or maybe just setting up plan B.
With everything going on I haven't had much time to ask around. Sorry folks. Weird offseason.
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Giants are OUT on Clowney, asking price is too high, they have moved on.
What is supposed asking price? Fine with this, but there was crazy talk about NYG being very deeply in on him. Martinez at $10M isn’t a ton but many aren’t good with this. If Clowney was in $20-$22 M range that’s a ton as well clearly. NYG need an Edge badly.
21 per year range is right. Nearly 70 guaranteed. Last I heard NYG had an offer on the table and are still very much in it.
But.. I've also heard they are checking in on other edge rushers. Perhaps they did drop out or maybe just setting up plan B.
With everything going on I haven't had much time to ask around. Sorry folks. Weird offseason.
Any clue who option B is? Was it Martinez as an ILB or was that just a 3 year cheaper DG signing totally separate?
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Not sure if this smoke is true, and if I was a betting man....I would say that Clowney would not be a Judge type player...
Obviously, the talent is there....but the red flags concerns me, especially after getting paid.
Last 2 years combined:
5 FF
5 Fumble Recoveries
2 TDs
12 sacks
23 TFL's
4 passes knocked down
44 QB hits
I am not a bit Clowney fan and highly doubt he will fit what Judget/DG are looking for. But like every other player that's available it will depend on the contract he gets. As Jon mentioned above, it's hard to argue he isn't worth 2x what someone like John Jenkins could get. Or even Golden who we know is far from a game changer. He's got his issues but when healthy he is in the small handful of guys talented enough to be a defensive game wrecker.
I'm in the anti-Clowney group, but if he's looking for a 3 year deal like seemingly everyone else (would be 30 in 2023), I could warm to it. Would certainly keep him motivated for his next big pay day.
Thank God. Overrated.
Thank you Joey. Would like to see that money go to multiple players in FA and start plugging holes and building depth.
What other teams are in on him? I doubt many for huge money.
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Thank God. Overrated.
And injury prone as well.
id like that signing.
be nice if we were able to get mcgovern and two edges.
go OT at 4 and then maybe delpit in second if there?
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Meanwhile, approx. how much money do we have left? I want McGovern!
id like that signing.
be nice if we were able to get mcgovern and two edges.
go OT at 4 and then maybe delpit in second if there?
Between you and me...and everyone reading this thread, I still have a sneaking suspicion that Chase Young will fall to 4. I think Burrow and Tua are most assuredly top-3 pick. That leave one spot between us and Young.
If Young is not there, I would take Jedrick Wills Jr. No questions asked. And maybe in the second round go with Yetur Gross-Matos or Tee Higgins.
Great news!
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Meanwhile, approx. how much money do we have left? I want McGovern!
id like that signing.
be nice if we were able to get mcgovern and two edges.
go OT at 4 and then maybe delpit in second if there?
Between you and me...and everyone reading this thread, I still have a sneaking suspicion that Chase Young will fall to 4. I think Burrow and Tua are most assuredly top-3 pick. That leave one spot between us and Young.
If Young is not there, I would take Jedrick Wills Jr. No questions asked. And maybe in the second round go with Yetur Gross-Matos or Tee Higgins.
anak, you and I are on the same wavelength. 1. i am not counting out young even if its a longer shot 2. i LOVE wills. i know you fell in love with his footwork like i did. I think the guy is going to be special player for a long time.
Phew
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Meanwhile, approx. how much money do we have left? I want McGovern!
id like that signing.
be nice if we were able to get mcgovern and two edges.
go OT at 4 and then maybe delpit in second if there?
Between you and me...and everyone reading this thread, I still have a sneaking suspicion that Chase Young will fall to 4. I think Burrow and Tua are most assuredly top-3 pick. That leave one spot between us and Young.
If Young is not there, I would take Jedrick Wills Jr. No questions asked. And maybe in the second round go with Yetur Gross-Matos or Tee Higgins.
anak, you and I are on the same wavelength. 1. i am not counting out young even if its a longer shot 2. i LOVE wills. i know you fell in love with his footwork like i did. I think the guy is going to be special player for a long time.
Yep, but it wasn't just his feet. It's his smarts and technique and that punch of his. If he was bigger with longer arms, I think he would be talked about like Penei Sewell.
He was my #1 free agent target, the only free agent I wanted to see the Giants sign regardless of cost.
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Meanwhile, approx. how much money do we have left? I want McGovern!
id like that signing.
be nice if we were able to get mcgovern and two edges.
go OT at 4 and then maybe delpit in second if there?
Between you and me...and everyone reading this thread, I still have a sneaking suspicion that Chase Young will fall to 4. I think Burrow and Tua are most assuredly top-3 pick. That leave one spot between us and Young.
If Young is not there, I would take Jedrick Wills Jr. No questions asked. And maybe in the second round go with Yetur Gross-Matos or Tee Higgins.
anak, you and I are on the same wavelength. 1. i am not counting out young even if its a longer shot 2. i LOVE wills. i know you fell in love with his footwork like i did. I think the guy is going to be special player for a long time.
Yep, but it wasn't just his feet. It's his smarts and technique and that punch of his. If he was bigger with longer arms, I think he would be talked about like Penei Sewell.
yea, i like him alot. he rarely mis steps and is fluid in pass pro. i think he would be a great pick at 4
Your words:
"I still have a sneaking suspicion that Chase Young will fall to 4. I think Burrow and Tua are most assuredly top-3 pick. That leave one spot between us and Young."
What are you saying here?
If you think Burrow and Tua are going in the Top 3, which player do you think will sneak ahead of Chase Young, thus pushing the best DE in the Draft to us at 4?
For the right to pay him $21M a year moving forward, I wouldn't.
Your words:
"I still have a sneaking suspicion that Chase Young will fall to 4. I think Burrow and Tua are most assuredly top-3 pick. That leave one spot between us and Young."
What are you saying here?
If you think Burrow and Tua are going in the Top 3, which player do you think will sneak ahead of Chase Young, thus pushing the best DE in the Draft to us at 4?
It just takes one team to fall in love with Justin Herbert.
Not likely but not crazy either.
Your words:
"I still have a sneaking suspicion that Chase Young will fall to 4. I think Burrow and Tua are most assuredly top-3 pick. That leave one spot between us and Young."
What are you saying here?
If you think Burrow and Tua are going in the Top 3, which player do you think will sneak ahead of Chase Young, thus pushing the best DE in the Draft to us at 4?
Simmons and Okudah, but I also could see a team giving a shitload to the Lions to trade up and secure Herbert
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Your words:
"I still have a sneaking suspicion that Chase Young will fall to 4. I think Burrow and Tua are most assuredly top-3 pick. That leave one spot between us and Young."
What are you saying here?
If you think Burrow and Tua are going in the Top 3, which player do you think will sneak ahead of Chase Young, thus pushing the best DE in the Draft to us at 4?
Simmons and Okudah, but I also could see a team giving a shitload to the Lions to trade up and secure Herbert
Ahh, got it. Thanks!
Here is my opinion:
There is zero chance Chase Young will be there at #4.
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Your words:
"I still have a sneaking suspicion that Chase Young will fall to 4. I think Burrow and Tua are most assuredly top-3 pick. That leave one spot between us and Young."
What are you saying here?
If you think Burrow and Tua are going in the Top 3, which player do you think will sneak ahead of Chase Young, thus pushing the best DE in the Draft to us at 4?
It just takes one team to fall in love with Justin Herbert.
Not likely but not crazy either.
I am a huge fan of Justin Herbert. But I just don't see this scenario unfolding.
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Your words:
"I still have a sneaking suspicion that Chase Young will fall to 4. I think Burrow and Tua are most assuredly top-3 pick. That leave one spot between us and Young."
What are you saying here?
If you think Burrow and Tua are going in the Top 3, which player do you think will sneak ahead of Chase Young, thus pushing the best DE in the Draft to us at 4?
Simmons and Okudah, but I also could see a team giving a shitload to the Lions to trade up and secure Herbert
Ahh, got it. Thanks!
Here is my opinion:
There is zero chance Chase Young will be there at #4.
We shall see
I am a huge fan of Justin Herbert. But I just don't see this scenario unfolding.
I agree that it is unlikely but every year there is a discrepancy between what we/media think and what the concensus is among the professionals.
When it comes to QBs, people fall in love and as we all know, love makes us do crazy things.
You need to edit...your face
FACE!
ITG aside, with all of the problems Gary and Eric have had with the site recently, I'd think helping to keep the board as "clean" as possible would be a good thing, not to mention making threads easier to read. But you do you.
Ironically The Giants passed on 2 of them and traded for one.
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Anthony Harris can be bad for a mid round pick. Giants were rumored to be in on him before he was franchised. Haven’t seen much discussion but seems like a no brainer if they can get it done for their Collins comp pick or their fourth.
He was my #1 free agent target, the only free agent I wanted to see the Giants sign regardless of cost.
Give up a 4 now or a 5 this year and 5 next. Get it done!
ITG aside, with all of the problems Gary and Eric have had with the site recently, I'd think helping to keep the board as "clean" as possible would be a good thing, not to mention making threads easier to read. But you do you.
Haha, you're right. Just teasin'
So that means, Jones is heading for glory!
So that means, Jones is heading for glory!
Hate that smarmy asshole so much. Makes me sick to see him on the NFLN
So that means, Jones is heading for glory!
Marc Ross turned being a horrible judge of talent into a nice gig on tv/radio being horrible at judging talent. Pretty amazing actually.
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Says Jones will be just a “serviceable” QB in this league. Moose then says. “You don’t choose serviceable with the 6th overall pick”.
So that means, Jones is heading for glory!
Marc Ross turned being a horrible judge of talent into a nice gig on tv/radio being horrible at judging talent. Pretty amazing actually.
Jedrick Willis is a 2nd rounder: Ross
Case in point.
He might be the best FS in football. If not he's definitely top 3.
Also Marc Ross:
Q: What do you think about Ereck Flowers?
A: Ereck is, as you have probably heard, a physical, nasty, tough football player and you just don’t see that too often anymore in college football. He is a man-child physically. He is gigantic. He has long arms. He just turned 21 on Saturday. Super productive against the highest level of competition there, the Florida States and the Nebraskas. He is a good player who is just scratching the surface of how good he can be.
Q: Where do you see him position-wise?
A: Tackle, for sure. He can play [either side]. He has done that. He played right tackle as a freshman. He played left tackle the last two years, so wherever the coaches want to play him and feel most comfortable right now, but I feel he can do either tackle spot.
Q: Do you see that his weakness is with his techniques?
A: You read that stuff. The guy is 20. They all have technique flaws. Nobody is ready-made to play in the NFL. Even fourth- or fifth-year seniors. They all can improve. He is just learning to play, but even with technique flaws, the guy was a productive and dominant player at times.
I agree that it is unlikely but every year there is a discrepancy between what we/media think and what the concensus is among the professionals.
When it comes to QBs, people fall in love and as we all know, love makes us do crazy things.
I don’t believe there was a consensus that Baker Mayfield would go #1. Only very late, when it started leaking that the Browns were big on him, and even then some suspected a smokescreen.
I still maintained the Browns goofed. They could have taken Saquon with #1 and still had a QB with their #4 pick. Might even have been Mayfield.
If true, that would be the right kind of trade (would make more sense then giving mid round picks for Leonard Williams). Harris is a stud
Worst case scenario is he doesn’t work on a prove it deal
Currently we still have $35M to spend. Floyd and other similar failures and injury cases(Daryl Williams)can wait.
Oh so like Levine Toilolo?
Currently we still have $35M to spend. Floyd and other similar failures and injury cases(Daryl Williams)can wait.
I think they probably have the capability to work with multiple players at once and forecast various cap scenarios at the same time.
Nice name-calling! Definitely strengthens your point that Darryl Williams and Leonard Floyd are bottom feeder signings but Toiloilo who may not make the team is a top of the market priority signing. Can't argue with such a line of thinking.
Yep, really not difficult to trim the sections you are not replying to from the post when replying. Takes about 15 seconds to delete a few sentences.
Agree I ignore anything he says & if he comes on the NFL Network,I change the channel!!!
Williams is a former all-pro who would be penciled in as the starter at RT. They currently don't have a RT. Floyd would be a situational pass rusher. Apparently in your world though you don't prioritize those things over a tight end who may be competing for a roster spot? Give me a break. Clearly you are talking out of your ass and you probably realized your point didn't make any sense hence why instead of actually supporting your point you decided to instead act like a jerk.
Seriously you each make some points. I get that some opinions are better thought out but there really is no right or wrong here just discussion and opinion.
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Jets are in the market for a backup QB. Veteran Matt Moore played well for Adam Gase in Miami when needed. He would be solid Sam Darnold insurance.
But keep an eye on the Giants, who have made it known that they’d be interested in having Moore as Daniel Jones’ backup in 2020.
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Jets are in the market for a backup QB. Veteran Matt Moore played well for Adam Gase in Miami when needed. He would be solid Sam Darnold insurance.
But keep an eye on the Giants, who have made it known that they’d be interested in having Moore as Daniel Jones’ backup in 2020.
He's a good backup. Be happier with him than Tanney
As others have said there is a lot working against the franchise right now.
Remember:
Record wise they’ve been the worst team across multiple seasons
They’ve turned over 3 coaches in a short period.
The unknown of yet another coach
NJ State income taxes.
And, like it or not, Dave Gettleman’s presence is a negative.
We still need around 2 ER and a safety on D, and a couple that are high impact an ILB that can cover too
arent connelly and martinez very similiar?
offense
2 olinemen at least 1 more WR
We can probably fill 1 or 2 holes in FA
hopefully 3-4 in draft
DG I have soured on
Jesus H.
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excited.....damn it
For one brief, shining moment, djm got wood thanks to you.
I didn't even see this rumor until much later. Thankfully, no premature wood for this guy. Not that I need any help from a 255 pound war daddy...NTTAWWt
I really didn't want to sign a big-ticket pass-rusher this year. For one thing, I haven't given up hope that Carter and/or Ximines will improve with better coaching and a better scheme. For another, I think the Giants will look to add an ER/OLB at some point in the draft.
What I'd like to see them do is sign a stopgap, a veteran who still has something left in his tank, to act as a situational pass-rusher. Vinny Curry would be my choice.
In addition, I'd like to see more improvements to the Secondary. Bradberry was a good start, but I'm still hoping the Giants can sign a veteran FS to team up with Peppers and Love in sub-packages. Try to force more coverage sacks and INT's.
Agreed. I want him
I just want a fucking Centre who doesn't get pushed back consistently
"ESPN's Jeremy Fowler reports the Cowboys won't exercise OT Cameron Fleming's option.
It's still possible Dallas brings him back for less than his $4 million option would have entailed. The 27-year-old swing tackle is also a candidate to reunite with Giants OC Jason Garrett in New York."
Looney and Flemming a little bit lesser.
Someone like Marcus Gilbert would be ok too.
And if the Jags are shopping someone like Brandon Linder, that would be a really nice pickup.
None of those moves would prevent drafting at least 1 OL early on too.
Seems like he's the best C available, so cool with me
That really gives them some flexibility in the draft to do anything from drafting Solder's immediate + long term replacement in round 1 or a couple more developmental players.
That really gives them some flexibility in the draft to do anything from drafting Solder's immediate + long term replacement in round 1 or a couple more developmental players.
Fleming is another possibility at RT I would think
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that's 5 guys with starting experience at their respective positions, 3 who have made pro bowls, plus Gates and Pulley.
That really gives them some flexibility in the draft to do anything from drafting Solder's immediate + long term replacement in round 1 or a couple more developmental players.
Fleming is another possibility at RT I would think
Dan Metro Man had a thread maybe 2 weeks ago breaking down both Williams and Fleming. In it, you will see metrics some posters and I provided on both players that do not paint pretty pictures. They were, actually, awful. Signing either of those 2, especially Fleming, would be asking for problems.
at least he didnt suck out there
Then why does he have 7 sacks in two years.
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he has a first step that nobody else on this team has had since Osi left town.
Then why does he have 7 sacks in two years.
Good question, I don't know.
In the last two seasons alone, Floyd has racked up 49 pressures, 23 hits, and seven sacks while starting all 32 games at outside linebacker on the Bears defense.
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Maybe it's the name Leonard????? Opponents are like I'm not giving up a sack to a dude named Leonard.
Pass.
Maybe it's the name Leonard????? Opponents are like I'm not giving up a sack to a dude named Leonard.
Pass.
I guess times really have changed.
They’re also looking at affordable options at RT and C. #NFLFreeAgency”
They’re also looking at affordable options at RT and C. #NFLFreeAgency”
Cordy Glenn?
Personally, I like Love. I have high hopes for him.
...I think that the Giants, specifically Dave Gettleman, is having a pretty good week.
Dave will be fine.
Go Giants!
For sure, but I think Love can be the starting FS this year. Competition will help push him, but I do like him.
Paul Crane
@PaulCrane7
Told Leonard Floyd close to deal with NYG.
ATL & MIA talking w/ LB Markus Golden
@929TheGame
Paul Crane
@PaulCrane7
Told Leonard Floyd close to deal with NYG.
ATL & MIA talking w/ LB Markus Golden
@929TheGame
Hoping this guy is full of shit. Floyd would get eaten alive by the OL’s in this division.
Paul Crane
@PaulCrane7
Told Leonard Floyd close to deal with NYG.
ATL & MIA talking w/ LB Markus Golden
@929TheGame
I think Paul Crane is the guy who did podcasts with Dave Te Thomas. He is out of Atlanta. Seems to be plugged in.
My guess is love gets firsr crack unless the take simmons and feel he is a safety first. If they do and he is the pick love will be third safety. Im more concerned about our edge players right now vs love
C Joe Looney:
Fleming. But he sucks.
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fill the FS spot? Such an important position that they’ve been mostly neglecting since Rolle. Center too but at least they seem ready to do that this offseason.
Personally, I like Love. I have high hopes for him.
The jury is still out but I don’t think Love is ever going to be that deep-half safety with range that they so desperately need. He was playing more at the LOS and in the box than anywhere else and played a bunch in the slot too. Small sample size at FS and there was some good and some bad but it’s still tbd if he can excel there full time and I don’t think they should be handing him that job right out of the gate in year 2 either. I’d rather have him as a third safety, jack of all trades type and hope for the best than to pin our hopes on him developing into a strong FS.
This is week 15 for example:
“ -Julian Love’s role with this team will be interesting to watch in the offseason. He finished with yet another strong game. He had 5 tackles / 2 TFL / 1 pressure / 1 pass break up. He is playing the versatile role of Jabrill Peppers with a lot of action in the box and excelling. Can he be moved back into the role of Antoine Bethea? On paper that is ideal, but I’m not sure he can produce from that spot. All of that aside, his play has been stellar.”
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Would be recommending right now?! Which Oline are connected to them?
C Joe Looney:
Might be worth a look. He could start and we should still draft a Center, like we did with Richburg his Rookie season.
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We already have one of those non-finishers on the roster. His name is Leonard Williams. We've filled our quota ty.
Maybe it's the name Leonard????? Opponents are like I'm not giving up a sack to a dude named Leonard.
Pass.
I guess times really have changed.
I generally agree with a lot of your posts Torrag, but Klaatu got you good on this one lol. I’ll never forget that play, I thought he killed Montana.
Probably $
This is week 15 for example:
“ -Julian Love’s role with this team will be interesting to watch in the offseason. He finished with yet another strong game. He had 5 tackles / 2 TFL / 1 pressure / 1 pass break up. He is playing the versatile role of Jabrill Peppers with a lot of action in the box and excelling. Can he be moved back into the role of Antoine Bethea? On paper that is ideal, but I’m not sure he can produce from that spot. All of that aside, his play has been stellar.”
Thanks for these snippets. Did not see Sy gig him for the FS play vs DC. I still think he can play FS. He was a bit of a ball hawk at ND(as CB), so it would seem he could play FS. Perhaps it had more to do with a move to FS from SS and insufficient reps at FS. He is not afraid to tackle, in fact he is a bit too aggressive and misses a few by not breaking down soon enough, so that is a concern. He has to be significantly faster than Bethea.
Unless they sign another vet FS, I think Love should be given a serious look at FS.
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in the box (176 snaps), slot corner (129 snaps) free safety (77 snaps). I don’t pay for PFF so I don’t have the game by game breakdown but Bethea was on the field for every snap on defense Love played except for week 14 and Bethea missed just 2 snaps. Going back and looking at Sy’s game reviews he talks about Love’s role in several of them the majority of which being in Peppers’ role after he went down.
This is week 15 for example:
“ -Julian Love’s role with this team will be interesting to watch in the offseason. He finished with yet another strong game. He had 5 tackles / 2 TFL / 1 pressure / 1 pass break up. He is playing the versatile role of Jabrill Peppers with a lot of action in the box and excelling. Can he be moved back into the role of Antoine Bethea? On paper that is ideal, but I’m not sure he can produce from that spot. All of that aside, his play has been stellar.”
Thanks for these snippets. Did not see Sy gig him for the FS play vs DC. I still think he can play FS. He was a bit of a ball hawk at ND(as CB), so it would seem he could play FS. Perhaps it had more to do with a move to FS from SS and insufficient reps at FS. He is not afraid to tackle, in fact he is a bit too aggressive and misses a few by not breaking down soon enough, so that is a concern. He has to be significantly faster than Bethea.
Unless they sign another vet FS, I think Love should be given a serious look at FS.
From what I have seen Love in a hybrid slot/S Rolle would be ideal. Looking more for a true deep saftey to esentially fill the nickel spot kickng Love to the slot. kind of a 3 saftey big Nickel package.
My sense might be that Ballentine could adapt to being the deep saftey. maybe allow him to break on the ball and essentially become a weapon for us back there as he has good ball skills and is good woth the ball in his hands. Not in a base set but in a passing down sub package that allows for Peppers and Love to be aggressive blitzing from the slot
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CMicks3110 : don't know if this guy is legit
Paul Crane
@PaulCrane7
Told Leonard Floyd close to deal with NYG.
ATL & MIA talking w/ LB Markus Golden
@929TheGame
Hoping this guy is full of shit. Floyd would get eaten alive by the OL’s in this division.
I think the biggest knock on Floyd is probably his durability. He has been a disappointment as a pass rusher, but I would assume if the Giants sign him - they'd move him around. He's actually very good in coverage and may reduce the desire for a guy like Isaiah Simmons...which would turn their attention more towards OT.
I'm not saying Floyd is Simmons by any stretch. But they may feel he can do a lot of the same things...at least along that LB front.
https://giantswire.usatoday.com/2020/03/18/russell-shepard-announces-he-will-not-return-to-new-york-giants/ - ( New Window )
Thanks, Oliver. Good to see you posting again.
Thanks Oliver!
I'd like that signing. Can't go into the draft too hungry at certain positions.
Thanks, Oliver. Aside from Williams, any other names you're hearing thrown around?
Wonder if the Giants swoop back in at a short term deal with a lower number. 3/54 or something
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Fowler was shipped out of JAC for being an ass and LAR have no interest in re-signing him. I think he's an issue upstairs.
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I think the market for a lot of these guys isn't what they are hoping for, hence the 3 year deals. No one wants a 3 year deal but if the guaranteed money isn't all that different from what you would be offered at 4 or 5 years, might as well take the shorter contract and try again next time.
Interesting...
Sniffing around RB/WR also but monitoring C Coleman, but those positions they might wait for longer than OT/C/ER
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Garafolo followed right up on that: “ To be clear, he's in line to make a lot of money. But it sounds like his camp's expectations were at the top of the market, and they're not there. Not yet anyway.”
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on the radar...
Interesting...
Very. Still young and could maybe another 1 year deal is something he'd be open to since offers have been looking low.
I think this would be fantastic. THanks for posting man.
1 year $3-5m deals for Williams, Floyd, Karras would be an ideal use of the remaining bigger ticket adds. All 3 have starting experience. Hopefully we can snag at least 2 of them.
FS and WR are interesting lower priority spots to add bodies. I still like Coleman and he's the exact type of field stretcher we need. He could be next year's Breshad Perriman (who is also out there but likely a little too much $).
Not sure what's out there that fits at FS. Logan Ryan would be amazing but I'd imagine he will get a good $ deal somewhere.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001106790/article/jadeveon-clowney-hasnt-found-market-he-expected - ( New Window )
Sniffing around RB/WR also but monitoring C Coleman, but those positions they might wait for longer than OT/C/ER
Makes sense. Nobody's rushing out to sign Corey Coleman, not with about 100 other UFA WR's available, not to mention how many talented WR's there will be in this year's draft class.
Not a great UFA RB market...maybe a couple of gems. Seems like a lot of age, injury worries, underachievers.
Is a bigger (relative) 1 year deal worth it for a potential plus starter or several depth additions like Karras/Wiliams/Floyd/etc.
I'd probably lean towards the latter. Clowney's upside is obviously worthwhile however if he wants to come here to raise his value on a 1 year deal (no where better and he'd be motivated).
And Ha Ha Clinton Dix would slot in as an immediate starter, if he's got the Saban seal of approval, that could be an impact player. He was on GB with Graham too. He's got 16 ints in 6 years.
Deon Bush is a younger potential lower cost alternative to Dix, he's a highly athletic safety in the same mold who has some starts under his belt in Chicago.
Let's repeat that. He gave up 12 sacks playing OG. That was the worst in the NFL. His days playing on the edge are done...or they should be unless someone loses their mind.
if the last 2 years didn't go poorly he wouldn't be readily available for a cheap 1 year contract.
Markus Golden was the exact same way and is proof that sometimes those types of low risk 1 year gambles can pay off. The year before we signed Golden he had a poor season with a new scheme/coaching staff (2.5 sacks). The year before that he missed the entire season with a major injury.
Daryl Williams fits that exact same profile so if you want to make more moves like Markus Golden those are the types of players you are going to be signing.
Let's repeat that. He gave up 12 sacks playing OG. That was the worst in the NFL. His days playing on the edge are done...or they should be unless someone loses their mind.
He didn't surrender 12 sacks as an OG... He played all over the line for some strange reason. He is a RT
Nope. The questions remain out there regarding his health, work ethic, and the lack of sack production. Buyer beware.
I want no part of him.
2018 - 1 game played, major knee injury
2019 - 12 starts split between G/T
He is coming off 1 bad season, which also happened to be his first year post injury and split between different positions. It happens. As I mentioned above it is the exact same profile as Markus Golden.
Hard pass.
Mind boggling level of suck.
Yeah how many of those sacks came playing LT or LG or RG... He gave up zero sacks playing RT his all pro position.
Mind boggling level of suck.
Kyle Allen got sacked 46 times in 13 games.
Cam Newton got sacked 6 times in 2 games.
Will Grier got sacked 6 times in 2 games.
That's 58 sacks for Panthers QB's last year. The average number of sacks if divided evenly to all their OL would be 11 per position.
Their entire OL looks like it was a mind boggling level of suck.
Oliver,
Were we after Karras at all?
Thanks for the info.
But if he has....then the Giants should go after....at the right price
This is different than a Remmers. Remmers was always a stopgap and never played at a high level. his best days were average.
Williams coming back from surgery last year was plain awful. Why take the risk. SB and DJ need a good OL.Do it through the draft.
So you do want him!
RT/C is best bet to get signed next.
Have heard they are 'still-in' on Clowney but ALOT has to happen namely, clear some space, possibly let L Williams walk & price would have to go down but nothing further.
Mind boggling level of suck.
Someone on our Oline hasn't reached this level?...seems close.
He posted an hourglass on his twitter, and the twitter sleuths have images that they are deciphering that they think is at the Seattle Airport.
RT/C is best bet to get signed next.
Have heard they are 'still-in' on Clowney but ALOT has to happen namely, clear some space, possibly let L Williams walk & price would have to go down but nothing further.
They're considering letting Williams walk?
Will be away for a couple hours will check in later, should hear/see some rumblings after year league starts possibly a signing even tonight
Will be away for a couple hours will check in later, should hear/see some rumblings after year league starts possibly a signing even tonight
Thanks Oliver!
Good. Didn't want that lanky softie in Blue.
If not, and we hope/pray the starting C isn't a guy that suited up for NYG last year, we're talking draft.
Ruiz/Cushenberry - both seem to be a borderline elite C prospects
Biadasz - was previously highly regarded but a shoulder injury and some athletic concerns seemingly has dropped his projection
Hennessy - looks solid but if there is a question, its in the power department
Nick Harris - this is a guy that impressed me perhaps more than the prior two guys. His downside is lack of length. But hes strong, tough and quick and really commands the position in a way that NYG hasn't seen since O'Hara.
You're right about Ruiz/Cushenberry.
Considering the lousy OL options in free agency right now our Draft should be :
#4 Wills...or other OT if we trade down
#36 Ruiz/Cushenberry
Will be away for a couple hours will check in later, should hear/see some rumblings after year league starts possibly a signing even tonight
How can they let him walk? Does that mean a 1st is still attached? Thought since he was tagged it automatically means if a team signs Williams, a 1 comes back? I’m now confused.
It doesnt' really make sense to spend big money on these names but the lack of them caring about pass rushers has caught up to them.
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& personally highly doubt it happens, but would have to in order to get Clowney in.
Will be away for a couple hours will check in later, should hear/see some rumblings after year league starts possibly a signing even tonight
How can they let him walk? Does that mean a 1st is still attached? Thought since he was tagged it automatically means if a team signs Williams, a 1 comes back? I’m now confused.
They can simply rescind the tag if LW hasn't signed it yet.
yeah there's no game changers, but they should have picked Littleton over Martinez easily (rumor was they didn't even pursue him), Bradberry is a good signing, they constantly every year ignore the pass rush.
This is spot on! All those moves to create cap space and we end up with no game changers and still a good amount of holes to fill. And limited cap space remaining.
Who? Who are these "game-changers" out there in FA?
People just have no idea what they want but one thing is for certain, the Giants can't do anything right.
I hate New Yorkers
People just have no idea what they want but one thing is for certain, the Giants can't do anything right.
I hate New Yorkers
The Giants have earned any trust in years for people to believe they did anything right.. show it on the field with results.
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in an offseason before. With the amount of cap out there I was expecting some game changers. We added 3 decent at best defenders and retained a bunch of guys already on the roster of one of the worst giants teams I’ve ever seen. Very disappointed fan right now. I see no signs of things getting better any time soon.
This is spot on! All those moves to create cap space and we end up with no game changers and still a good amount of holes to fill. And limited cap space remaining.
Obviously you weren't around from 65 to 80
People just have no idea what they want but one thing is for certain, the Giants can't do anything right.
I hate New Yorkers
We want the two biggest weaknesses of the team to be fixed. OL and pass-rush. Neither of those two aspects have even been addressed yet nevermind fixed. Pretty simple.
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that I'm seeing on twitter and on facebook from friends
People just have no idea what they want but one thing is for certain, the Giants can't do anything right.
I hate New Yorkers
The Giants havent earned any trust in years for people to believe they did anything right.. show it on the field with results.
Yet again they just cant get anything done at OL or pass rush.
its not just Gettleman, Reese ignored both for years too or missed big time.
Accurate perspective helps.
Accurate perspective helps.
So much this 👏👆
No one wants to lose continuously, and thats all the Giants have been doing for years. ITs like the Knicks, you have trouble attracting talent.
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Lol...right your are😀. My fandom with Big Blue started around ‘82. I
Gettleman has many faults, but what surefire improvement at OL or Pass Rusher was available that we passed on in Free Agency? Let's also not act like CB and LB weren't needs. Do you really want to go into the season with one of Ballentine, oft-injured Beal, and Grant Haley as your #2 CB and the others as your depth? LB we had Mayo, who is a depth LB not a starter in an ideal world, and Ryan Connelly who nobody knows how he will look coming back from a serious injury.
most of you clown fans would have signed clowney to huge money on the first day and would have given conklin the keys to the castle.
meanwhile in a few years when you cant afford anyone or to extend your QB and RB and you have 25+ a year guy in clowney playing in 10 games a year....then what?
the giants have the need and they know its a need but shopping hungry is DANGEROUS. there isnt much out in the group to say we should have done this or that. the ONLY time ive agreed is that littelton could of maybe been had for 2 mill more per year....that i WOULD have done, but ill leave it up to graham to decide to who fits his scheme best....
im excited for the draft and expect OL early and often. a slight trade back to get some exttra early picks would be great
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This GM is inept. 2 Glaring needs for forever it seems. O line and Pass Rushers. Never addressed once again. I know its early but could of picked up a couple guys to address this. Instead we get another D-back and 2 linebackers. Could of got a starting linebacker with our first pick. We already spent a bunch of our cap. Seems like deja vu all over again. I think Mara is just as clueless to keep him around. Looks like another long season
Gettleman has many faults, but what surefire improvement at OL or Pass Rusher was available that we passed on in Free Agency? Let's also not act like CB and LB weren't needs. Do you really want to go into the season with one of Ballentine, oft-injured Beal, and Grant Haley as your #2 CB and the others as your depth? LB we had Mayo, who is a depth LB not a starter in an ideal world, and Ryan Connelly who nobody knows how he will look coming back from a serious injury.
its about who he went after tho. He went for another guy good against the run but not against the pass. Littleton made much more sense to go after than Martinez did.
One of those LB is an OLB who is a pass rusher. Pay attention.
No argument there. But our needs can be addressed, and they haven't up to this point. Now, I know they will be addressed in the draft. But they'll be rookies and some might not be ready to contribute right off the bat. Besides, as we all know, the best teams are a mix of good, proven vets and rookies. We might get our hands on some good rookies, but alot of our vets just aren't good enough. In 2005 we had guys like Plax, Pierce, and McKenzie. Sorry but Martinez, Golden, and the like don't come close to those guys.
most of you clown fans would have signed clowney to huge money on the first day and would have given conklin the keys to the castle.
meanwhile in a few years when you cant afford anyone or to extend your QB and RB and you have 25+ a year guy in clowney playing in 10 games a year....then what?
the giants have the need and they know its a need but shopping hungry is DANGEROUS. there isnt much out in the group to say we should have done this or that. the ONLY time ive agreed is that littelton could of maybe been had for 2 mill more per year....that i WOULD have done, but ill leave it up to graham to decide to who fits his scheme best....
im excited for the draft and expect OL early and often. a slight trade back to get some exttra early picks would be great
You said the same shit last year and the year before, and we won a combined 9 games in those two seasons.
I'd be careful who I call a 'clown fan,' tbh.
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This GM is inept. 2 Glaring needs for forever it seems. O line and Pass Rushers. Never addressed once again. I know its early but could of picked up a couple guys to address this. Instead we get another D-back and 2 linebackers. Could of got a starting linebacker with our first pick. We already spent a bunch of our cap. Seems like deja vu all over again. I think Mara is just as clueless to keep him around. Looks like another long season
Gettleman has many faults, but what surefire improvement at OL or Pass Rusher was available that we passed on in Free Agency? Let's also not act like CB and LB weren't needs. Do you really want to go into the season with one of Ballentine, oft-injured Beal, and Grant Haley as your #2 CB and the others as your depth? LB we had Mayo, who is a depth LB not a starter in an ideal world, and Ryan Connelly who nobody knows how he will look coming back from a serious injury.
its about who he went after tho. He went for another guy good against the run but not against the pass. Littleton made much more sense to go after than Martinez did.
I agree I would rather have targeted Littleton. However, we don't know what happens behind the scenes. If Patrick Graham said that Martinez is the LB he needs to run his Defense and that he can get him back to the form he showed in 2017 and 2018 should the GM just ignore that? How many times under Jim Fassel did we have Ernie Accorsi selecting players who could not possibly fit the schemes we were running?
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This GM is inept. 2 Glaring needs for forever it seems. O line and Pass Rushers. Never addressed once again. I know its early but could of picked up a couple guys to address this. Instead we get another D-back and 2 linebackers. Could of got a starting linebacker with our first pick. We already spent a bunch of our cap. Seems like deja vu all over again. I think Mara is just as clueless to keep him around. Looks like another long season
Gettleman has many faults, but what surefire improvement at OL or Pass Rusher was available that we passed on in Free Agency? Let's also not act like CB and LB weren't needs. Do you really want to go into the season with one of Ballentine, oft-injured Beal, and Grant Haley as your #2 CB and the others as your depth? LB we had Mayo, who is a depth LB not a starter in an ideal world, and Ryan Connelly who nobody knows how he will look coming back from a serious injury.
its about who he went after tho. He went for another guy good against the run but not against the pass. Littleton made much more sense to go after than Martinez did.
I agree I would rather have targeted Littleton. However, we don't know what happens behind the scenes. If Patrick Graham said that Martinez is the LB he needs to run his Defense and that he can get him back to the form he showed in 2017 and 2018 should the GM just ignore that? How many times under Jim Fassel did we have Ernie Accorsi selecting players who could not possibly fit the schemes we were running?
And with a new Head Coach and brand new coaching staff, they are in Year One of that re-build.
Sorry to those who thought otherwise.
They are going to build this team primarily through the Draft (which includes the past two Drafts), and allow all the young players to grow up together on the field and in the locker room. That also includes 26-year old James Bradberry (and 25-year old Leonard Williams).
Once a critical mass occurs, then the Giants will probably purchase a very expensive free agent or two in the hope that they represent the final piece for a serious playoff run.
But that is not what the 2020 Free Agency Season is all about.
Not at all.
Martinez - I think one of the biggest issues with the Giants the past few years has been the confusion - two years into Bettcher's reign and they were still a mess. I'm think Martinez can handle the job. and he's a solid player. you have a lot of B-B+ football players you can have a pretty good defense.
biggest unknowns this year - what can new staff get out of Carter, XMan and Connelly.
I'm not saying FA is unimportant or should be avoided altogether - just that rarely are the teams who make the biggest splash rewarded with the best results. Free agency is a way to supplement a roster and fill holes temporarily, not build a winner. Isn't that pretty universally accepted?
So far they've been prudent spending $ which is more than half of the battle. And secondarily they've added players the coaches have experience with - so the success of this FA will be heavily weighted towards how good or bad those coaches are (particularly Graham since he's coached 2 of the 3 defensive players signed).
Philly drafts well, and they know when to get in and get out. That simple.
Martinez - I think one of the biggest issues with the Giants the past few years has been the confusion - two years into Bettcher's reign and they were still a mess. I'm think Martinez can handle the job. and he's a solid player. you have a lot of B-B+ football players you can have a pretty good defense.
biggest unknowns this year - what can new staff get out of Carter, XMan and Connelly.
Martinez can't cover and our defense has a track record recently of getting destroyed by TE's. The last thing we needed was another TE who can't cover.
This is what we're talking about. DG repeats signings. He wants to stock up on DT but not address LB who can cover a TE, or pass-rush. And he still hasn't. Year after year it's the same offseason, with awful results in-season.
If people had 'accurate perspective' here, they wouldn't have praised the past several offseasons when they've gotten the same result in season every season of those supposedly good off-seasons. That ship sailed ions ago.
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I think Golden is underrated. look at his numbers and film before the injury and his film and numbers this past year. he's that tier just below those elite pass rushers, IMO. I used to think he was just and effort, hustle type player but he's better than that.
Martinez - I think one of the biggest issues with the Giants the past few years has been the confusion - two years into Bettcher's reign and they were still a mess. I'm think Martinez can handle the job. and he's a solid player. you have a lot of B-B+ football players you can have a pretty good defense.
biggest unknowns this year - what can new staff get out of Carter, XMan and Connelly.
Martinez can't cover and our defense has a track record recently of getting destroyed by TE's. The last thing we needed was another TE who can't cover.
This is what we're talking about. DG repeats signings. He wants to stock up on DT but not address LB who can cover a TE, or pass-rush. And he still hasn't. Year after year it's the same offseason, with awful results in-season.
He has addressed it, you just don't like the direction they chose to go in
Every team has the same problem with coverage linebackers. They aren't a dime a dozen. They are hard to find. Every team has trouble with protection on the O-Line. More and more every year actually. If it was so easy to find these guys, they wouldn't be in such demand when they became available
There are only so many players to go around. And when to have 10-15 teams with enough cap space to do whatever they want, prices are going to be expensive. And it's not smart for a team with so many holes to get into a bidding war for one of them.
What is ironic is, BBI would kill for a Will Beatty right now.
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I think Golden is underrated. look at his numbers and film before the injury and his film and numbers this past year. he's that tier just below those elite pass rushers, IMO. I used to think he was just and effort, hustle type player but he's better than that.
Martinez - I think one of the biggest issues with the Giants the past few years has been the confusion - two years into Bettcher's reign and they were still a mess. I'm think Martinez can handle the job. and he's a solid player. you have a lot of B-B+ football players you can have a pretty good defense.
biggest unknowns this year - what can new staff get out of Carter, XMan and Connelly.
Martinez can't cover and our defense has a track record recently of getting destroyed by TE's. The last thing we needed was another TE who can't cover.
This is what we're talking about. DG repeats signings. He wants to stock up on DT but not address LB who can cover a TE, or pass-rush. And he still hasn't. Year after year it's the same offseason, with awful results in-season.
He has addressed it, you just don't like the direction they chose to go in
Every team has the same problem with coverage linebackers. They aren't a dime a dozen. They are hard to find. Every team has trouble with protection on the O-Line. More and more every year actually. If it was so easy to find these guys, they wouldn't be in such demand when they became available
There are only so many players to go around. And when to have 10-15 teams with enough cap space to do whatever they want, prices are going to be expensive. And it's not smart for a team with so many holes to get into a bidding war for one of them.
Where have they addressed OL and pass-rush?
Carter has taken longer, and I think some of it had to do with Bettcher.
Speaking of same - The sports article I'm waiting to be written is "What happened to Bettcher - the guy who churned out all those solid Cards' defenses"?
most of you clown fans would have signed clowney to huge money on the first day and would have given conklin the keys to the castle.
meanwhile in a few years when you cant afford anyone or to extend your QB and RB and you have 25+ a year guy in clowney playing in 10 games a year....then what?
the giants have the need and they know its a need but shopping hungry is DANGEROUS. there isnt much out in the group to say we should have done this or that. the ONLY time ive agreed is that littelton could of maybe been had for 2 mill more per year....that i WOULD have done, but ill leave it up to graham to decide to who fits his scheme best....
im excited for the draft and expect OL early and often. a slight trade back to get some exttra early picks would be great
15 mil per year to a middling CB is smart when the OL is in shambles? 10 mil per to a middling LB is smart?
Conklin would’ve been a great signing especially at the price point he signed. Much better than what the Giants ended up with.
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I think Golden is underrated. look at his numbers and film before the injury and his film and numbers this past year. he's that tier just below those elite pass rushers, IMO. I used to think he was just and effort, hustle type player but he's better than that.
Martinez - I think one of the biggest issues with the Giants the past few years has been the confusion - two years into Bettcher's reign and they were still a mess. I'm think Martinez can handle the job. and he's a solid player. you have a lot of B-B+ football players you can have a pretty good defense.
biggest unknowns this year - what can new staff get out of Carter, XMan and Connelly.
Martinez can't cover and our defense has a track record recently of getting destroyed by TE's. The last thing we needed was another TE who can't cover.
This is what we're talking about. DG repeats signings. He wants to stock up on DT but not address LB who can cover a TE, or pass-rush. And he still hasn't. Year after year it's the same offseason, with awful results in-season.
He has addressed it, you just don't like the direction they chose to go in
Every team has the same problem with coverage linebackers. They aren't a dime a dozen. They are hard to find. Every team has trouble with protection on the O-Line. More and more every year actually. If it was so easy to find these guys, they wouldn't be in such demand when they became available
There are only so many players to go around. And when to have 10-15 teams with enough cap space to do whatever they want, prices are going to be expensive. And it's not smart for a team with so many holes to get into a bidding war for one of them.
Where have they addressed OL and pass-rush?
You said linebackers in your previous post. You don't like the players they chose, fine. But to say they haven't addressed it is twitter bullshit
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I think Golden is underrated. look at his numbers and film before the injury and his film and numbers this past year. he's that tier just below those elite pass rushers, IMO. I used to think he was just and effort, hustle type player but he's better than that.
Martinez - I think one of the biggest issues with the Giants the past few years has been the confusion - two years into Bettcher's reign and they were still a mess. I'm think Martinez can handle the job. and he's a solid player. you have a lot of B-B+ football players you can have a pretty good defense.
biggest unknowns this year - what can new staff get out of Carter, XMan and Connelly.
Martinez can't cover and our defense has a track record recently of getting destroyed by TE's. The last thing we needed was another TE who can't cover.
This is what we're talking about. DG repeats signings. He wants to stock up on DT but not address LB who can cover a TE, or pass-rush. And he still hasn't. Year after year it's the same offseason, with awful results in-season.
He has addressed it, you just don't like the direction they chose to go in
Every team has the same problem with coverage linebackers. They aren't a dime a dozen. They are hard to find. Every team has trouble with protection on the O-Line. More and more every year actually. If it was so easy to find these guys, they wouldn't be in such demand when they became available
There are only so many players to go around. And when to have 10-15 teams with enough cap space to do whatever they want, prices are going to be expensive. And it's not smart for a team with so many holes to get into a bidding war for one of them.
Where have they addressed OL and pass-rush?
You said linebackers in your previous post. You don't like the players they chose, fine. But to say they haven't addressed it is twitter bullshit
No. I said OL and pass rush are our two biggest weaknesses and they have not been addressed.
What were you looking for? Clowney, Jones, and Conklin?
Most here know I’m no Dave fan, but he played this well. Time will tell if he acquired the right players. I have my reservations regarding the GB LB’s, but that’s another topic. If you were looking for instant gratification in 2020, you’re probably going to be disappointed. This is still one of the 3-5 least talented rosters in the league and it likely will be throughout 2020. They were never surpassing Dallas or Philadelphia this offseason. I’m ready for a 4-6 win year again, unfortunately. Maybe you should start preparing for that possibility as well. The only silver lining I see in it is maybe, just maybe, John will have seen enough from Dave and send him off into retirement in early 2021....
Although I am expecting Hernandez to bounce back after a sophomore slump
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Intelligent measured assessment has nothing to do with BBI during Free Agency week. LOL.
If people had 'accurate perspective' here, they wouldn't have praised the past several offseasons when they've gotten the same result in season every season of those supposedly good off-seasons. That ship sailed ions ago.
I try to deliver it. I should quit. LOL
Those are long term bad decisions. The way you win is to consistently make good long term decisions. That's what we've done so far this year.
The only things I would have done differently is signed Schobert/Littleton/Kwiatkoski at their price before giving Martinez $10M. And I would have signed McGovern at OC for his price. Of course we don't know the details of offers, negotiations etc for the players we inquired about. You can't make players sign with you.
Seriously, obviously we're in a rebuild, but what exactly is the plan here?
It's troubling.
and the defensive tackles? How many of those do we need?. We had like 3 before he took Lawrence (when there was an edge rusher sitting there), then we gave up picks to trade for Williams who is yet another defensive tackle. it makes zero sense. They have no plan.
You aren't very knowledgeable about roster construction are you?
Seriously, obviously we're in a rebuild, but what exactly is the plan here?
What would you expect management to publicly announce about their plan to rebuild the franchise? Who they will target in free agency? Who they will target in the draft? What positions they will prioritize?
That isn't how any team in any sport works.
I can understand the Bradberry signing, I am warming to the Martinez signing, I actually really like Fackrell..the guy is a total under the radar signing.
Tagging Williams was predictable and he is a good player.
Hopefully we find a Center in the draft.
"Over and over again?" Not really. It's actually been three since 1999, two since 2012. Perhaps if, in the last ten years, the Giants had drafted one less CB in the 1st round and one more OT instead, they would have been better off. Ditto for RB.
Because we are waiting on Clowney to accept our offer... (hopefully)
Maybe we have/are trying?
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Is it he wants too much money or that they don't he's any good?
Because we are waiting on Clowney to accept our offer... (hopefully)
What was the offer?
I’m so tired of seeing beat writers tell us that said player is priced above our range. Like they aren’t trying to get better, at least they aren’t acting like it. And I’m never one to be one of those “sky is falling” guys, but when I spend my hard earned money each year on season tickets I expect an effort. Now they’re saying that Jenkins is costing too much as well? I mean cmon. I totally agree with not paying Floyd $13mil, well done there. But to not try and get a Jenkins, Fowler, Re-sign Golden, or Hell even give Kennard money to come back is ridiculous. He only got $20 mil over 3 hrs from ARZ. Shit needs to change.
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Is it he wants too much money or that they don't he's any good?
Because we are waiting on Clowney to accept our offer... (hopefully)
What was the offer?
Actual info that NYG offered Clowney a deal or is this a guess?
I’m so tired of seeing beat writers tell us that said player is priced above our range. Like they aren’t trying to get better, at least they aren’t acting like it. And I’m never one to be one of those “sky is falling” guys, but when I spend my hard earned money each year on season tickets I expect an effort. Now they’re saying that Jenkins is costing too much as well? I mean cmon. I totally agree with not paying Floyd $13mil, well done there. But to not try and get a Jenkins, Fowler, Re-sign Golden, or Hell even give Kennard money to come back is ridiculous. He only got $20 mil over 3 hrs from ARZ. Shit needs to change.
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I hear your frustration but we don't know what Jenkins is asking for. Maybe like Floyd, it's also too much for who he is. Fowler got paid very well for who he is too. He's had 1 double digit sack season (like the guy we signed for much less) and that took playing on a defense with Aaron Donald. I wouldn't have given him that contract personally.
I'd still like to bring Golden back and will hold out hope until we hear he signed elsewhere.
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I know we aren’t competing for championships this year or maybe even next year, but they could’ve signed some impact players with the cap space they had and fought for one of the 3 wild card spots. Instead they continue to ignore OL and Edge, our two most important weaknesses.
I’m so tired of seeing beat writers tell us that said player is priced above our range. Like they aren’t trying to get better, at least they aren’t acting like it. And I’m never one to be one of those “sky is falling” guys, but when I spend my hard earned money each year on season tickets I expect an effort. Now they’re saying that Jenkins is costing too much as well? I mean cmon. I totally agree with not paying Floyd $13mil, well done there. But to not try and get a Jenkins, Fowler, Re-sign Golden, or Hell even give Kennard money to come back is ridiculous. He only got $20 mil over 3 hrs from ARZ. Shit needs to change.
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I hear your frustration but we don't know what Jenkins is asking for. Maybe like Floyd, it's also too much for who he is. Fowler got paid very well for who he is too. He's had 1 double digit sack season (like the guy we signed for much less) and that took playing on a defense with Aaron Donald. I wouldn't have given him that contract personally.
I'd still like to bring Golden back and will hold out hope until we hear he signed elsewhere.
Yes Fowler got paid a ton, but Jenkins isn’t or at least shouldn’t be asking for that. So they should be ponying up for him. They can back load his contract in years 2/3 and with the cap rising, it’s not gonna look like a bad deal at all in the future. The prices for players is only going to do the to go up. I’m so frustrated with the moves we continue to make. And ppl will say, they still have the draft but I don’t want to hear that. We’ve ignored OL in the draft year after year, minus Flowers and Hernandez. And we haven’t hit on a pass rusher since JPP. Again, shit needs to change.
I’m so tired of seeing beat writers tell us that said player is priced above our range. Like they aren’t trying to get better, at least they aren’t acting like it. And I’m never one to be one of those “sky is falling” guys, but when I spend my hard earned money each year on season tickets I expect an effort. Now they’re saying that Jenkins is costing too much as well? I mean cmon. I totally agree with not paying Floyd $13mil, well done there. But to not try and get a Jenkins, Fowler, Re-sign Golden, or Hell even give Kennard money to come back is ridiculous. He only got $20 mil over 3 hrs from ARZ. Shit needs to change.
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You’re ranting about Jenkins, Golden, Fowler, Kennard?
Come on.
You realize we still have the draft right?
I’d rather draft OL or Edge than tie up $20m-$30m on marginal players we will cut in a year.
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I know we aren’t competing for championships this year or maybe even next year, but they could’ve signed some impact players with the cap space they had and fought for one of the 3 wild card spots. Instead they continue to ignore OL and Edge, our two most important weaknesses.
I’m so tired of seeing beat writers tell us that said player is priced above our range. Like they aren’t trying to get better, at least they aren’t acting like it. And I’m never one to be one of those “sky is falling” guys, but when I spend my hard earned money each year on season tickets I expect an effort. Now they’re saying that Jenkins is costing too much as well? I mean cmon. I totally agree with not paying Floyd $13mil, well done there. But to not try and get a Jenkins, Fowler, Re-sign Golden, or Hell even give Kennard money to come back is ridiculous. He only got $20 mil over 3 hrs from ARZ. Shit needs to change.
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You’re ranting about Jenkins, Golden, Fowler, Kennard?
Come on.
You realize we still have the draft right?
I’d rather draft OL or Edge than tie up $20m-$30m on marginal players we will cut in a year.
This is the typical response from a Giants fan who continues to believe in an organization to a fault. Smh. Because they’ve been killing drafts right? Please stop it.
Every contract is too rich! It’s the NFL. And next years contracts will be higher, and the year after that, and the year after that. You have to pay players. It’s simple.
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I know we aren’t competing for championships this year or maybe even next year, but they could’ve signed some impact players with the cap space they had and fought for one of the 3 wild card spots. Instead they continue to ignore OL and Edge, our two most important weaknesses.
I’m so tired of seeing beat writers tell us that said player is priced above our range. Like they aren’t trying to get better, at least they aren’t acting like it. And I’m never one to be one of those “sky is falling” guys, but when I spend my hard earned money each year on season tickets I expect an effort. Now they’re saying that Jenkins is costing too much as well? I mean cmon. I totally agree with not paying Floyd $13mil, well done there. But to not try and get a Jenkins, Fowler, Re-sign Golden, or Hell even give Kennard money to come back is ridiculous. He only got $20 mil over 3 hrs from ARZ. Shit needs to change.
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You’re ranting about Jenkins, Golden, Fowler, Kennard?
Come on.
You realize we still have the draft right?
I’d rather draft OL or Edge than tie up $20m-$30m on marginal players we will cut in a year.
This is the typical response from a Giants fan who continues to believe in an organization to a fault. Smh. Because they’ve been killing drafts right? Please stop it.
Have they been killing it in free agency for the past couple of years?
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Jenkins is looking for a deal worth $13M/year. Definitely too rich for him.
Every contract is too rich! It’s the NFL. And next years contracts will be higher, and the year after that, and the year after that. You have to pay players. It’s simple.
If Jenkins has another year where he has 6-8 sacks, but has 40-45 tackles with it, $13M next season would look like a massive steal if the cap goes to the $250M range. $13M AAV can look like $17-$18M AAV...
I disagree. I think that is about right for a 25 year old who has accrued 15 sacks in 2 years.
Check the contracts that the Smith's got from Green Bay with similar production but they were 1 year older.
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Jenkins is looking for a deal worth $13M/year. Definitely too rich for him.
Every contract is too rich! It’s the NFL. And next years contracts will be higher, and the year after that, and the year after that. You have to pay players. It’s simple.
If Jenkins has another year where he has 6-8 sacks, but has 40-45 tackles with it, $13M next season would look like a massive steal if the cap goes to the $250M range. $13M AAV can look like $17-$18M AAV...
Exactly, these guys arguing against spending clearly don’t understand Inflation lol. Next years guys are gonna make soooo much more. But instead we sit around and sign 3rd string blocking TE’s who made $800k last year and give them $3.5mil this year. But hey, I don’t know shit.
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I know we aren’t competing for championships this year or maybe even next year, but they could’ve signed some impact players with the cap space they had and fought for one of the 3 wild card spots. Instead they continue to ignore OL and Edge, our two most important weaknesses.
I’m so tired of seeing beat writers tell us that said player is priced above our range. Like they aren’t trying to get better, at least they aren’t acting like it. And I’m never one to be one of those “sky is falling” guys, but when I spend my hard earned money each year on season tickets I expect an effort. Now they’re saying that Jenkins is costing too much as well? I mean cmon. I totally agree with not paying Floyd $13mil, well done there. But to not try and get a Jenkins, Fowler, Re-sign Golden, or Hell even give Kennard money to come back is ridiculous. He only got $20 mil over 3 hrs from ARZ. Shit needs to change.
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You’re ranting about Jenkins, Golden, Fowler, Kennard?
Come on.
You realize we still have the draft right?
I’d rather draft OL or Edge than tie up $20m-$30m on marginal players we will cut in a year.
This is the typical response from a Giants fan who continues to believe in an organization to a fault. Smh. Because they’ve been killing drafts right? Please stop it.
Nah, wrong guy. They're f'ed up a ton for sure. But, look at it objectively, they've been drafting WAY better than FA pickups that's for sure. I'd rather they have spent big money on an impact player - you wanna hitch your wagon to Kennard?
Good luck. Keep ranting buddy.
In 2018 before signing their deals:
ZS: blitzed 49 times, 12 hurries, 13 qb knockdowns, and 35 pressures.
PS: blitzed 32 times, 12 hurries, 9 knockdowns, 26 pressures.
I'm using profootballreference but if you were to use PFF the numbers are even more lopsided.
Oh lol.
9 players on offense (all except C, RT)
7 on defense (needed 1 CB, 2 LB, 1 DL)
Of those 16 starters by the way, 12 were draft picks in the last few years. 2 were trades (Zeitler/Peppers) and 2 were FA's (Solder, Tate).
Tagging LW and signing Bradberry/Martinez/Fackrell hit each of the 4 starting spots on D. It is absolutely fair to disagree and argue on which players should have been signed for those open slots, but IMO no matter who we signed the more consequential factor of where this team is going next year is how the new coaching staff does developing and getting the most out of those 12 homegrown players who were already here and the additional players added in the draft next month - at least 2 of whom are likely to be day 1 starters.
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Seattle #Seahawks starting free safety Tedric Thompson has been given permission to seek a trade, source said. Would likely be for a late-round draft pick.
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That comment was totally a joke right? Was it reported anywhere that DG offered him a deal?
. Is this true ? Maybe Judge can get him to be all he can be in NYC. He is a true game changer if her wants to be. Put him and Williams on the line together and draft Simmons. We are contenders next year. Instantly.
If Clowney was a game changer, Houston would not have traded him and Seattle would not have let him go. Now, 3 strikes and you’re out.
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Seattle #Seahawks starting free safety Tedric Thompson has been given permission to seek a trade, source said. Would likely be for a late-round draft pick.
Coming off an injury, but I like your train of thought here. There are some interesting signs he can make plays...
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Seattle #Seahawks starting free safety Tedric Thompson has been given permission to seek a trade, source said. Would likely be for a late-round draft pick.
If he could be bad for a late round pick sign me up. That would allow Love to play the slot more often and Graham could deploy 3 safety sets like the Giants did years ago when they signed Deon Grant.
If Clowney was a game changer, Houston would not have traded him and Seattle would not have let him go. Now, 3 strikes and you’re out.
Maybe not a game changer, but a very good player. The issue appears to be that he has overpriced himself.
He would have a big positive impact on the Giants defense, but more than 20 million a year is too much.
Clinton Dix would be a fit but you've got to think that if Judge had a good review on him from the Saban crew he might have been an initial target. I believe Graham was on the staff when he was in GB too.
Draft is deep in OL.
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We need to get a RT or Center in Free Agency. Are the Giants waiting for prices to drop? I suppose they’re looking at guys that could be a 1 or 2 year rental and focusing on drafting guys that could become eventual starters?!
Draft is deep in OL.
I think it’s almost a guarantee that we draft Oline, however, as DG has stated, don’t go shopping hungry.
apparently its according to Marc Ross.
It'd be great to have Markus back. Can't have too many quality pass rushers.
I dont see that anywhere on the Giants Insider twitter page and NYG_Pete isnt an insider
Almost seems like Joe Judge is saying:
"Please do not saddle me with too many long term deals since I really don't know how these players will blend in with the team."
2 year deals are zero risk for teams...
Now, your logic is true....as the contract are front loaded....which allows everyone to be cut with little dead money
Draft is deep in OL.
I think it’s almost a guarantee that we draft Oline, however, as DG has stated, don’t go shopping hungry.
This, coming from the guy who defined that role in 2018.
- He thinks Denver is going to release Joe Flacco soon. When they do, the Giants will look to pick him up as a backup to Jones. He noted that Flacco is a similar enough type player to Jones in case there is an injury and he has to step in to run the system. And he will provide a good veteran holding the clipboard for Jones. Makes sense
- The Giants and Seahawks are waiting on Clowney's price to come down. No one is giving him $20M. If he comes down to around $16M, the Giants will be back in on him.
- He thinks Denver is going to release Joe Flacco soon. When they do, the Giants will look to pick him up as a backup to Jones. He noted that Flacco is a similar enough type player to Jones in case there is an injury and he has to step in to run the system. And he will provide a good veteran holding the clipboard for Jones. Makes sense
- The Giants and Seahawks are waiting on Clowney's price to come down. No one is giving him $20M. If he comes down to around $16M, the Giants will be back in on him.
I thought I read (RapSheet maybe?) that Denver was definitely about to dump Flacco. So stay tuned on that...
- He thinks Denver is going to release Joe Flacco soon. When they do, the Giants will look to pick him up as a backup to Jones. He noted that Flacco is a similar enough type player to Jones in case there is an injury and he has to step in to run the system. And he will provide a good veteran holding the clipboard for Jones. Makes sense
- The Giants and Seahawks are waiting on Clowney's price to come down. No one is giving him $20M. If he comes down to around $16M, the Giants will be back in on him.
And to the point of the Pats. Maybe Bill’s plan up there is to bottom out and position himself for Lawrence or Fields in 2021? I’m trying to find the team(s) looking to get bad enough for those guys and SD is another “contender”along with Jacksonville, and maybe Carolina and Chicago thus far.
- He thinks Denver is going to release Joe Flacco soon. When they do, the Giants will look to pick him up as a backup to Jones. He noted that Flacco is a similar enough type player to Jones in case there is an injury and he has to step in to run the system. And he will provide a good veteran holding the clipboard for Jones. Makes sense
- The Giants and Seahawks are waiting on Clowney's price to come down. No one is giving him $20M. If he comes down to around $16M, the Giants will be back in on him.
I like Dave Te. Hope he is right on both fronts.
And before anyone says it's not possible, Parcells almost did it with Vinny testaverde.
Obviously Stidham could also be in play and I'm sure they will let him (and maybe another draft pick) compete for the job.
But I believe that is what Belichek wants to do and the fact that it would also lead some to (wrongly) throw cold water on Brady is icing on the cake for him.
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49ers just informed starting guard Mike Person that he is being released, per source. A veteran guard now available.
Might be a cheap option for the Giants who can compete at center
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49ers just informed starting guard Mike Person that he is being released, per source. A veteran guard now available.
Might be a cheap option for the Giants who can compete at center
He has experience at Center, but he was terrible there with the Falcons. He's a Guard.
- He thinks Denver is going to release Joe Flacco soon. When they do, the Giants will look to pick him up as a backup to Jones. He noted that Flacco is a similar enough type player to Jones in case there is an injury and he has to step in to run the system. And he will provide a good veteran holding the clipboard for Jones. Makes sense
- The Giants and Seahawks are waiting on Clowney's price to come down. No one is giving him $20M. If he comes down to around $16M, the Giants will be back in on him.
Flacco cut. Step 1.
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That comment was totally a joke right? Was it reported anywhere that DG offered him a deal?
. Is this true ? Maybe Judge can get him to be all he can be in NYC. He is a true game changer if her wants to be. Put him and Williams on the line together and draft Simmons. We are contenders next year. Instantly.
If not, Dalton or Flacco are better choices.
I do not think there is much left in the bank for NYG. Unless they get LW to a long term deal at the expected $12-13m(freeing about $3, and get Solder to take a pay cut, I do not see where they would get money for a Clowney and still have $6-7 for the draft picks. I really do not think there is enough for Golden, unless he takes about a $8m contract.
They signed McCoy, doubt Flacco is in the picture - he could go to NE.
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Logan Ryan CB we are told down to three teams #Lions
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#Giants have jumped back in on DE Clowney