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Giants FA rumors: Post any news here

Jay on the Island : 3/16/2020 12:26 pm
I thought it would be a good idea to consolidate all the rumors pertaining to the Giants on one thread. Let's try to keep this thread clean and post only news from trusted media sources.
Arik Armstead rumored to get LT deal (no franchise), no joy  
V.I.G. : 3/16/2020 12:29 pm : link
...
I would like to add  
Jay on the Island : 3/16/2020 12:35 pm : link
incarcerated bob is not a legit source.
Giants in on ER Jordan Jenkins  
Anakim : 3/16/2020 12:55 pm : link
Connor Hughes
@Connor_J_Hughes

And yes, as
@art_stapleton
said, and now per my sources, the #Giants are in on him
Anak,  
Big Blue '56 : 3/16/2020 12:57 pm : link
Has Jenkins been even talked about on here?
RE: Anak,  
Anakim : 3/16/2020 12:58 pm : link
In comment 14837328 Big Blue '56 said:
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Has Jenkins been even talked about on here?


Not sure.

Paul Schwartz
@NYPost_Schwartz

Giants have expressed interest in OLB Jordan Jenkins, who had 15 sacks the past two seasons for the Jets. Former third-round pick is only 25 years old.
RE: Anak,  
Toth029 : 3/16/2020 12:59 pm : link
In comment 14837328 Big Blue '56 said:
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Has Jenkins been even talked about on here?


I viewed him as the best value going forward, with age and performance in hand. Yannik was the best choice but he's tagged and going to cost a fortune. I feel Jenkins can be had at a nice value.
Jenkins fits as a cheaper version of M. Golden (also Pats profile)  
Eric on Li : 3/16/2020 1:01 pm : link
highly productive college player who fell to 3rd round because he doesn't have great measurables. 20 sacks and 6 FF in 4 years isn't nothing. Especially the 15 sacks/4FF in the last 24 starts.
Jenkins  
AcidTest : 3/16/2020 1:01 pm : link
is going to be expensive.
RE: RE: Anak,  
Big Blue '56 : 3/16/2020 1:01 pm : link
In comment 14837330 Toth029 said:
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In comment 14837328 Big Blue '56 said:


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Has Jenkins been even talked about on here?



I viewed him as the best value going forward, with age and performance in hand. Yannik was the best choice but he's tagged and going to cost a fortune. I feel Jenkins can be had at a nice value.


I haven’t seen all that much of him. A solid fit?
courtesy NFL.com Jenkins Draft report  
Torrag : 3/16/2020 1:01 pm : link
NFL COMPARISON Nick Perry
BOTTOM LINE Three-year starter who has played both outside linebacker spots in the Bulldogs 3-­4 defense. With Jenkins length and outstanding power on the edge, he is a natural fit as an edge-­setting strongside 3­-4 outside linebacker in the pros. Jenkins may not be viewed as dangerous enough as a pass rusher to warrant a first round pick, but he?s a safe pick whose toughness and football IQ make him an early starter candidate.
-Lance Zierlein
is Jenkins  
NYG22 : 3/16/2020 1:03 pm : link
a RFA or UDFA?
Jenkins is a UFA - as a 3rd round pick he had a 4 year deal  
Eric on Li : 3/16/2020 1:04 pm : link
I agree with someone above who said he isn't going to be cheap. I would guess he cost a similar amount to Golden. Slightly less productive but healthier and younger.
RE: courtesy NFL.com Jenkins Draft report  
Anakim : 3/16/2020 1:04 pm : link
In comment 14837337 Torrag said:
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NFL COMPARISON Nick Perry
BOTTOM LINE Three-year starter who has played both outside linebacker spots in the Bulldogs 3-­4 defense. With Jenkins length and outstanding power on the edge, he is a natural fit as an edge-­setting strongside 3­-4 outside linebacker in the pros. Jenkins may not be viewed as dangerous enough as a pass rusher to warrant a first round pick, but he?s a safe pick whose toughness and football IQ make him an early starter candidate.
-Lance Zierlein


He also played under our ILB coach, Kevin Sherrer, at Georgia
"fell to 3rd round because he doesn't have great measurables"  
Torrag : 3/16/2020 1:04 pm : link
He's also always battled nagging injuries. He consistently misses a couple of games a year going back to his Georgia days. I agree with the analysis he's similar to Golden in a lot of ways just younger. Maybe a tick less as a pass rusher and more as a run setter.
RE: RE: Anak,  
Klaatu : 3/16/2020 1:06 pm : link
In comment 14837329 Anakim said:
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In comment 14837328 Big Blue '56 said:


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Has Jenkins been even talked about on here?



Not sure.

Paul Schwartz
@NYPost_Schwartz

Giants have expressed interest in OLB Jordan Jenkins, who had 15 sacks the past two seasons for the Jets. Former third-round pick is only 25 years old.


Bart Scott ripped him apart a couple of months ago. Said something like his sack numbers were inflated...he got a bunch of coverage sacks thanks to Gregg Williams' schemes...called them "layups." Scott was really down on him, but take it for what it's worth.
RE: Jenkins fits as a cheaper version of M. Golden (also Pats profile)  
Jay on the Island : 3/16/2020 1:12 pm : link
In comment 14837333 Eric on Li said:
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highly productive college player who fell to 3rd round because he doesn't have great measurables. 20 sacks and 6 FF in 4 years isn't nothing. Especially the 15 sacks/4FF in the last 24 starts.

This would be a huge get for the Giants and exactly the type of player the Giants should be targeting. I was expecting the Jets to tag him or sign him to a long term deal but it would be a huge blunder on their part to let him walk. Jenkins is just beginning to break out IMO.
Somebody here was talking up Jenkins  
Rjanyg : 3/16/2020 1:13 pm : link
I was hoping for a run at Shaw Lawson as I think he has been improving and is only 25. Maybe Jenkins is a more productive player the same age. Prior knowledge with our LB coach.
"Bart Scott ripped him apart"  
Torrag : 3/16/2020 1:15 pm : link
This is an endorsement. Bart Scott is an idiot. Makes more stupid remarks and opinions of any talking head in NY sports media history. A true moron.
Jay - I see Jenkins as a little boom or bust, but I'll trust Judge  
Eric on Li : 3/16/2020 1:15 pm : link
he could either be Zadarius Smith 1 year from now or just another Devon Kennard type.

I do like buying a young guy with upside who is ascending vs bringing back someone like Golden who is safer but also limited upside.
Rj: "I was hoping for a run at Shaq Lawson"  
Torrag : 3/16/2020 1:17 pm : link
The issue with Lawson for me is he's a one position pony. He's a true 4-3 DE. Doesn't play well in space or moving backwards. If you aren't running a four man front he just doesn't make a whole lot of sense.
RE: Rj:  
Rjanyg : 3/16/2020 1:22 pm : link
In comment 14837386 Torrag said:
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The issue with Lawson for me is he's a one position pony. He's a true 4-3 DE. Doesn't play well in space or moving backwards. If you aren't running a four man front he just doesn't make a whole lot of sense.


Yeah, he seems to be more geared to a 4 man front, maybe with some zone blitzes mixed in. I was thinking the with our multiple look he could be a better utilized player. He is improving and I think would have been a good fit, Jenkins may be a better addition as a true 3-4 Edge.
RE: Jay - I see Jenkins as a little boom or bust, but I'll trust Judge  
Jay on the Island : 3/16/2020 1:23 pm : link
In comment 14837380 Eric on Li said:
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he could either be Zadarius Smith 1 year from now or just another Devon Kennard type.

I do like buying a young guy with upside who is ascending vs bringing back someone like Golden who is safer but also limited upside.

There is absolutely some risk here but I am willing to gamble on a young player that's registered 15 sacks over the past two seasons and is only 25. I will admit I was glad that the Giants didn't give Za'Darius Smith that much money last season but I was quickly proved wrong. I don't think Jenkins is as good but it wouldn't surprise me if he becomes a dependable 10-12 sack guy.
If I had a quarter for every time  
JonC : 3/16/2020 2:11 pm : link
I explained Lawson was not a 3-4 OLB in that draft ...
... and how he lacked the game  
JonC : 3/16/2020 2:15 pm : link
to be a double digit sacker.
RE: RE: Anak,  
Capt. Don : 3/16/2020 2:16 pm : link
In comment 14837330 Toth029 said:
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In comment 14837328 Big Blue '56 said:


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Has Jenkins been even talked about on here?



I viewed him as the best value going forward, with age and performance in hand. Yannik was the best choice but he's tagged and going to cost a fortune. I feel Jenkins can be had at a nice value.


Ive been touting Jenkins for some time. Kyler Fackrell and Ogbah as backup plans. Im thinking $13-14M for Jenkins
draft writeup on Jordan Jenkins here  
Andy in Boston : 3/16/2020 2:36 pm : link
for those interested
Jordan Jenkins Georgia - ( New Window )
Ogbah is another 4-3 DE  
JonC : 3/16/2020 2:38 pm : link
Now, if we sign these types of parts over Edge talent, then we could be seeing a shift to more 4-3 fronts if not a base.
RE: RE: RE: Anak,  
V.I.G. : 3/16/2020 2:40 pm : link
In comment 14837446 Capt. Don said:
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IIve been touting Jenkins for some time. Kyler Fackrell and Ogbah as backup plans. Im thinking $13-14M for Jenkins

interesting for sure but only 3-4mm discount to Armstead?
Jenkins  
Jon in NYC : 3/16/2020 2:41 pm : link
at 13-14MM seems like an overpay.
RE: Jenkins  
aGiantGuy : 3/16/2020 2:50 pm : link
In comment 14837472 Jon in NYC said:
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at 13-14MM seems like an overpay.

I agree, he’s a Devon Kennard clone, 10m per max
RE: RE: Jenkins  
Capt. Don : 3/16/2020 2:55 pm : link
In comment 14837487 aGiantGuy said:
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In comment 14837472 Jon in NYC said:


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at 13-14MM seems like an overpay.


I agree, he’s a Devon Kennard clone, 10m per max


That may be but his production was more like Zadarius Smith and he is a year younger than Smith was at this time last year.
RE: Ogbah is another 4-3 DE  
Capt. Don : 3/16/2020 2:57 pm : link
In comment 14837462 JonC said:
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Now, if we sign these types of parts over Edge talent, then we could be seeing a shift to more 4-3 fronts if not a base.


I agree - from what Judge and graham have said, it looks like they are not as concerned with 3-4 vs 4-3. I think Ogbah will be a value pickup for someone.
Giants  
PaulN : 3/16/2020 3:00 pm : link
Would be in the market for 2nd and 3rd wave type players, no way are they giving this guy that kind of money.
Another use of cap space  
Nine-Tails : 3/16/2020 3:02 pm : link
The giants should look into is absorbing bad contracts for draft picks.
RE: Giants  
Capt. Don : 3/16/2020 3:04 pm : link
In comment 14837498 PaulN said:
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Would be in the market for 2nd and 3rd wave type players, no way are they giving this guy that kind of money.


$13M for a 25 year old IS 2nd wave type of money. If he was a "1st wave" prospect he would be getting $19-20M, or more likely franchised.
RE:  
Klaatu : 3/16/2020 3:08 pm : link
In comment 14837379 Torrag said:
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This is an endorsement. Bart Scott is an idiot. Makes more stupid remarks and opinions of any talking head in NY sports media history. A true moron.


LOL! Hey, I did say take it for what it's worth, ya imgrate.

Anyway...if the Giants are committed to Leonard Williams, what's another former Jet more or less?
RE: Jenkins fits as a cheaper version of M. Golden (also Pats profile)  
Carson53 : 3/16/2020 3:10 pm : link
In comment 14837333 Eric on Li said:
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highly productive college player who fell to 3rd round because he doesn't have great measurables. 20 sacks and 6 FF in 4 years isn't nothing. Especially the 15 sacks/4FF in the last 24 starts.
.

Plus, he's a more versatile player, would be a good move.
Not splashy, but a good move nonetheless.
Dan Sileo just tweeted out that Clowney is going to the Giants  
nyjuggernaut2 : 3/16/2020 3:44 pm : link
and then took it down and tweeted out that the Giants have told him to pump the breaks on the news.
RE: Dan Sileo just tweeted out that Clowney is going to the Giants  
Nine-Tails : 3/16/2020 3:48 pm : link
In comment 14837540 nyjuggernaut2 said:
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and then took it down and tweeted out that the Giants have told him to pump the breaks on the news.


Is he reliable?
RE: Dan Sileo just tweeted out that Clowney is going to the Giants  
Strahan91 : 3/16/2020 3:50 pm : link
In comment 14837540 nyjuggernaut2 said:
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and then took it down and tweeted out that the Giants have told him to pump the breaks on the news.

never heard of him but found it funny he went from that to this:

Dan Sileo
@DanSileoShow
·
6m
I can report the
@Giants
have contacted Clowney!!
RE: Dan Sileo just tweeted out that Clowney is going to the Giants  
Saquads26 : 3/16/2020 3:50 pm : link
In comment 14837540 nyjuggernaut2 said:
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and then took it down and tweeted out that the Giants have told him to pump the breaks on the news.


One of his tweets is still up...

“ I can report the @Giants have contacted Clowney!!“
yeah and I contacted beyonce  
Payasdaddy : 3/16/2020 3:51 pm : link
that means what again?
Boyhart loved Jenkins in the draft...  
Milton : 3/16/2020 3:55 pm : link
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Jordan can play on the line or off the line, in a 1-gap defense or a 2-gap defense. He can play in a 3-4 or a 4-3 defense. He can cover players off the line in single coverage or zone coverage. He can rush the passer and make tacklers look foolish and in college has even been brought inside and made guards look foolish in pass rush and defending the run. For the love of god, what more are you looking for in a defensive player to add to your defense? Jordan has Clay Mathews’ type talent with the power and explosion and mature techniques to impact the day after you draft him. He will become one of the leaders of your defense and a player you can build your defense around.

full profile - ( New Window )
Just don’t see it  
aGiantGuy : 3/16/2020 4:00 pm : link
Jenkins has less sacks than Golden, Golden doubled his tackles per game rate and had double the amount of qb hits. Jenkins also had 2 sacks against a lineman who never started another game for us, Solder was out. I watched the Jets vs Ravens game and he never kept contain and had only 1 tackle, I’m out on him.
RE: RE: Dan Sileo just tweeted out that Clowney is going to the Giants  
Big Rick in FL : 3/16/2020 4:01 pm : link
In comment 14837545 Nine-Tails said:
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In comment 14837540 nyjuggernaut2 said:


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and then took it down and tweeted out that the Giants have told him to pump the breaks on the news.



Is he reliable?



Not even a little bit
RE: RE: Ogbah is another 4-3 DE  
JonC : 3/16/2020 4:02 pm : link
In comment 14837495 Capt. Don said:
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In comment 14837462 JonC said:


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Now, if we sign these types of parts over Edge talent, then we could be seeing a shift to more 4-3 fronts if not a base.



I agree - from what Judge and graham have said, it looks like they are not as concerned with 3-4 vs 4-3. I think Ogbah will be a value pickup for someone.


They might not be, but you don't want Ogbah playing 3-4 OLB out in space. He's stiff, it's not his game, as an example.
Ugh  
Philu916 : 3/16/2020 4:03 pm : link
Would actually hope NYG don’t pay Clowney rather Jordan Jenkins and someone else...
I bet Dan Sileo read the fake account notice....  
George from PA : 3/16/2020 4:04 pm : link
And made a mistake.....did not want to fess up....

No way...did the Giants call him to pump breaks
.  
Strahan91 : 3/16/2020 4:20 pm : link

Art Stapleton
@art_stapleton
·
13s
Still hearing #NYGiants are involved in pursuit of Jadeveon Clowney, per source. Not sure where they stand, but at least one team in that chase convinced #NYG are legitimate contenders.
RE: I bet Dan Sileo read the fake account notice....  
GiantsRage2007 : 3/16/2020 4:21 pm : link
In comment 14837570 George from PA said:
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And made a mistake.....did not want to fess up....

No way...did the Giants call him to pump breaks


Lol the Giants called him. Hahaha. Lol ok buddy.
I wouldn't know how to feel  
Saquon'sQuadz : 3/16/2020 4:25 pm : link
about Clowney… He can be a wrecker (the games I've seen) but his numbers dont back it up, but the Giants desperately need an ER
Kwiatkoski off the market  
Saquon'sQuadz : 3/16/2020 4:35 pm : link

Mike Garafolo

@MikeGarafolo
·
1m


LB Nick Kwiatkoski deal to the #Raiders: Three years, $21 million with $13.5 million in guarantees. More available in incentives.
Imagine if we can  
GoDeep13 : 3/16/2020 4:55 pm : link
Somehow swing Clowney AND Draft Chase Young
According to Lombardo  
bigfrank612 : 3/16/2020 4:57 pm : link
NYG making a strong push for Martinez from GB
RE: I wouldn't know how to feel  
Rjanyg : 3/16/2020 4:58 pm : link
In comment 14837614 Saquon'sQuadz said:
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about Clowney… He can be a wrecker (the games I've seen) but his numbers dont back it up, but the Giants desperately need an ER


I don’t see it. He is a good player but I am not sure it fits with what NYG has been saying it wants. Players entering their their second contract in their mid 20’s.
RE: Kwiatkoski off the market  
AdamBrag : 3/16/2020 4:59 pm : link
In comment 14837617 Saquon'sQuadz said:
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Mike Garafolo

@MikeGarafolo
·
1m


LB Nick Kwiatkoski deal to the #Raiders: Three years, $21 million with $13.5 million in guarantees. More available in incentives.


That's a very reasonable deal.
Clowney  
aGiantGuy : 3/16/2020 5:02 pm : link
Is most certainly entering his prime
RE: According to Lombardo  
The_Boss : 3/16/2020 5:03 pm : link
In comment 14837625 bigfrank612 said:
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NYG making a strong push for Martinez from GB


🤮
Clowney  
Philu916 : 3/16/2020 5:04 pm : link
Is always hurt playing and has never had 10 sacks... it’s worrisome to give so much $.
^^^Lombardo is wrong 95% of the time...  
Torrag : 3/16/2020 5:04 pm : link
and isn't plugged into the Giants at all. So probably BS.
what a crazy good deal for Conklin by Cleveland  
Saquon'sQuadz : 3/16/2020 5:06 pm : link

Adam Schefter

@AdamSchefter


Jack Conklin agreed to a 3-year deal with the Browns for $42M with $30M fully guarantee, per
@RosenhausSports
. He earns $20mil in the first year. Wanted to keep it short due to the projected increases in the salary cap. Conklin will only be 28 when this deal expires.
...  
christian : 3/16/2020 5:10 pm : link
That Conklin deal sounds like an effective 2/30M deal. I was bearish on Conklin, but that is a good get at that number for the Browns.
RE: what a crazy good deal for Conklin by Cleveland  
TommyWiseau : 3/16/2020 5:10 pm : link
In comment 14837645 Saquon'sQuadz said:
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Adam Schefter

@AdamSchefter


Jack Conklin agreed to a 3-year deal with the Browns for $42M with $30M fully guarantee, per
@RosenhausSports
. He earns $20mil in the first year. Wanted to keep it short due to the projected increases in the salary cap. Conklin will only be 28 when this deal expires.


Not a bad deal from either side
I'm glad Conklin signed elsewhere...  
Torrag : 3/16/2020 5:15 pm : link
He's an average pass blocker that requires help. We have that at LT already. You can't help everyone and still run an aggressive scheme.
RE: Imagine if we can  
Rjanyg : 3/16/2020 5:17 pm : link
In comment 14837621 GoDeep13 said:
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Somehow swing Clowney AND Draft Chase Young


GoDeep13,

You got any asshat info to share?
A lot of short deals being announced  
ZogZerg : 3/16/2020 5:43 pm : link
Players want to get paid again at the higher rate. Good for them.
Jenkins blows  
XBRONX : 3/16/2020 5:45 pm : link
against the run. Half his sacks in two games.
I have a hunch  
Jon in NYC : 3/16/2020 6:01 pm : link
we end up with Clowney.

Realistically no pass rushers with a spotless record hit free agency. Clowney has his warts, but he's probably as good as we're going to get outside of the draft.

I'd much rather pay him 22 mil than Jenkins 13.
RE: I have a hunch  
Eric on Li : 3/16/2020 6:06 pm : link
In comment 14837743 Jon in NYC said:
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we end up with Clowney.

Realistically no pass rushers with a spotless record hit free agency. Clowney has his warts, but he's probably as good as we're going to get outside of the draft.

I'd much rather pay him 22 mil than Jenkins 13.


Hard to disagree with that, especially if his deal ends up being less than we expect like many of the other deals done today.

Conklin and Kwiakowski are both about 1/2 what most of their projected deals were.

Last year when the Seahawks got him for a 3rd I figured almost every team in the NFL would have paid that price. There is a chance he's just not a guy teams are going to be willing to get into a massive bidding war for due to his injury history.
Can anyone "sell" us on clowney?  
George from PA : 3/16/2020 6:09 pm : link
Not sure if this smoke is true, and if I was a betting man....I would say that Clowney would not be a Judge type player...

Obviously, the talent is there....but the red flags concerns me, especially after getting paid.
RE: Imagine if we can  
TMS : 3/16/2020 6:11 pm : link
In comment 14837621 GoDeep13 said:
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Somehow swing Clowney AND Draft Chase Young
. How about we sign Clowney and he realizes that with an attitude like LT had, he can be as good as anyone. Maybe Judge can bring him around with the help of NYC and its fans. The guy has unlimited potential if he wants to use. Our defemse is back then in spades.
The quietness  
Philu916 : 3/16/2020 6:15 pm : link
Is a tad concerning. Yes there are a few top tier UFAs left, but a few non top tier guys like Nick Kwiatkowski who many thought could be a fall back option are also gone...
RE: Can anyone  
Eric on Li : 3/16/2020 6:17 pm : link
In comment 14837754 George from PA said:
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Not sure if this smoke is true, and if I was a betting man....I would say that Clowney would not be a Judge type player...

Obviously, the talent is there....but the red flags concerns me, especially after getting paid.


Last 2 years combined:
5 FF
5 Fumble Recoveries
2 TDs
12 sacks
23 TFL's
4 passes knocked down
44 QB hits

I am not a bit Clowney fan and highly doubt he will fit what Judget/DG are looking for. But like every other player that's available it will depend on the contract he gets. As Jon mentioned above, it's hard to argue he isn't worth 2x what someone like John Jenkins could get. Or even Golden who we know is far from a game changer. He's got his issues but when healthy he is in the small handful of guys talented enough to be a defensive game wrecker.
sign schobert and then wait for the next wave of FA  
GiantsFan84 : 3/16/2020 6:18 pm : link
they should stay clear of clowney.
For me, today is more proof  
JonC : 3/16/2020 6:19 pm : link
you're wise to spend smart and you've got to build a foundation via the draft and its cheaper pipeline. The top UFAs have too many warts to invest open market dollars in. The players you ideally want from UFA rarely are allowed to reach the open market.
If we can sign McGovern or Schobert today in the $10-11M range...  
Torrag : 3/16/2020 6:22 pm : link
I'll be satisfied. Gitter done DG.
RE: The quietness  
Strahan91 : 3/16/2020 6:22 pm : link
In comment 14837761 Philu916 said:
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Is a tad concerning. Yes there are a few top tier UFAs left, but a few non top tier guys like Nick Kwiatkowski who many thought could be a fall back option are also gone...

Still a ton of ILB's on the board. We're a good 16-18 hours from the time to be concerned
What about Jaime collins  
Nine-Tails : 3/16/2020 6:29 pm : link
Rather him than Martinez
...  
christian : 3/16/2020 6:30 pm : link
^ The only big time player out there is Jones. He's the UFA who will get the most money with the least risk to be viewed as a mistake in 2 years.
RE: For me, today is more proof  
AcidTest : 3/16/2020 6:30 pm : link
In comment 14837770 JonC said:
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you're wise to spend smart and you've got to build a foundation via the draft and its cheaper pipeline. The top UFAs have too many warts to invest open market dollars in. The players you ideally want from UFA rarely are allowed to reach the open market.


^This. Let the first wave pass, and sign the second tier FAs. I expect and want us to do something, but throwing money at Clowney, Jones, etc. is the wrong move. Competing for these types of players means participating in a bidding war which inevitably results in overpaying. We are also not one or even two or three players away from being competitive.
RE: RE: For me, today is more proof  
Philu916 : 3/16/2020 6:42 pm : link
In comment 14837787 AcidTest said:
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In comment 14837770 JonC said:


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you're wise to spend smart and you've got to build a foundation via the draft and its cheaper pipeline. The top UFAs have too many warts to invest open market dollars in. The players you ideally want from UFA rarely are allowed to reach the open market.



^This. Let the first wave pass, and sign the second tier FAs. I expect and want us to do something, but throwing money at Clowney, Jones, etc. is the wrong move. Competing for these types of players means participating in a bidding war which inevitably results in overpaying. We are also not one or even two or three players away from being competitive.


I think Jones is the only player worth throwing big $ at. If NYG land Jones, it allows Baker to shadow him for 3 years as the 2nd CB and develop into a 1 when Jones contract expires. The secondary is a massive defensive hole. Can also allow NYG to hopefully draft Wills at OT number 4. But can hopefully sign Schobert in the $10-$11M range and that’s a lot of holes fixed. At that point, would be competitive even at 8-8 would seem very realistic.
Solid deal if true, Bradberry to NYG for 3 years / 45m  
Eric on Li : 3/16/2020 6:43 pm : link
https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1239683196184297474
RE: I wouldn't know how to feel  
djm : 3/16/2020 7:57 pm : link
In comment 14837614 Saquon'sQuadz said:
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about Clowney… He can be a wrecker (the games I've seen) but his numbers dont back it up, but the Giants desperately need an ER


His sack numbers aren’t very very high but his numbers do indeed back it up. Clowney has consistently been at the top of the positional rankings in terms of TFL, QB hits and hurries. This talk that clowney doesn’t put up numbers is completely untrue. I posted them here last week to prove it.
I can understand people balking at the cost for Clowney  
SirYesSir : 3/16/2020 8:50 pm : link
but realistically, you have to overpay for free agents.

Clowney isn't perfect (if he was Houston would never have let him go) but he's WAY more talented than most guys that hit FA, he would be a huge addition to our lame pass rush, and he actually plays the run pretty well. He's not a line-up-wide-loop-to-the-qb-every-time guy.

I wanna show faith in our new staff and bring in supremely talented guys. Sure I'd be happier if he was cheaper, but that's not how FA works.

RE: Clowney a Giant  
Big Rick in FL : 3/16/2020 9:00 pm : link
In comment 14837968 Jonesin 4 A Ship said:
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per Schefter Link - ( New Window )


That's fake
RE: Clowney a Giant  
Anakim : 3/16/2020 9:01 pm : link
In comment 14837968 Jonesin 4 A Ship said:
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per Schefter Link - ( New Window )


Come on, dude. Even if you thought it was the real Schefter, the fact that it was tweeted 5 hours ago wasn't a giveaway?
That’s a fake account.  
bceagle05 : 3/16/2020 9:01 pm : link
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sorry my bad.....I got a little  
Jonesin 4 A Ship : 3/16/2020 9:01 pm : link
excited.....damn it
RE: Clowney a Giant  
Klaatu : 3/16/2020 9:02 pm : link
In comment 14837968 Jonesin 4 A Ship said:
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per Schefter Link - ( New Window )


It's fake.
Blake Martinez  
XBRONX : 3/16/2020 9:03 pm : link
and Schobert suck.Know someone who is a Packer fan,the fans hate Martinez. Him and Schobert pile up tackles downfield.
RE: Clowney a Giant  
Danny Kanell : 3/16/2020 9:04 pm : link
In comment 14837968 Jonesin 4 A Ship said:
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per Schefter Link - ( New Window )


Be better, for fucks sake.
XBRONX : "Blake Martinez and Schobert suck."  
Torrag : 3/16/2020 9:04 pm : link
Correct on Martinez. Incorrect on Schobert.
RE: sorry my bad.....I got a little  
Klaatu : 3/16/2020 9:09 pm : link
In comment 14837977 Jonesin 4 A Ship said:
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excited.....damn it


For one brief, shining moment, djm got wood thanks to you.
RE: Blake Martinez  
Saquads26 : 3/16/2020 9:12 pm : link
In comment 14837981 XBRONX said:
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and Schobert suck.Know someone who is a Packer fan,the fans hate Martinez. Him and Schobert pile up tackles downfield.


Um Schobert far from sucks
RE: XBRONX :  
TommyWiseau : 3/16/2020 9:23 pm : link
In comment 14837983 Torrag said:
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Correct on Martinez. Incorrect on Schobert.


I'd much much rather Littleton even at an increased cost. I like Schobert better then Martinez though
FA  
Big_Pete : 3/16/2020 11:40 pm : link
I would like to see the Giants sign Corey Littleton.

I would not be surprised if we looked at some former Panthers: FS Tre Boston, RT Daryl Williams and CB Ross Cockrell. All three might be decent value signings.
I'd much much rather Littleton even at an increased cost.  
Torrag : 3/16/2020 11:56 pm : link
Agree to disagree. At least at what I believe Littleton's asking price north of $15M is.
All three might be decent value signings.  
Torrag : 3/17/2020 12:03 am : link
It's not time to delve into the value signings area of free agency yet. We're still in the viable starter phase. Which is where guys like Schobert and Glenn fit in.
One low cost signing that could be a possibility: LeAdrian Waddle  
cosmicj : 3/17/2020 12:21 am : link
Probably would cost in the $1-2mm range, so Remmers like signing. Was on the Bills bench last season but Judge will know him from the sea dome before that he spent in NE.
Asshat info  
Joey in VA : 3/17/2020 12:27 am : link
Giants are OUT on Clowney, asking price is too high, they have moved on.
RE: Asshat info  
Klaatu : 3/17/2020 12:36 am : link
In comment 14838262 Joey in VA said:
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Giants are OUT on Clowney, asking price is too high, they have moved on.


Curious to see where he lands, and for how much.
RE: Asshat info  
Dave in Hoboken : 3/17/2020 12:36 am : link
In comment 14838262 Joey in VA said:
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Giants are OUT on Clowney, asking price is too high, they have moved on.


And thank goodness for that. More money for the Blake Martinez's of the world.

Woof.
RE: Asshat info  
BleedBlue : 3/17/2020 12:46 am : link
In comment 14838262 Joey in VA said:
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Giants are OUT on Clowney, asking price is too high, they have moved on.


If true, im not too upset about this.

Can we get two fkr price of one? Lol

Fowler and golden?

RE: Asshat info  
Philu916 : 3/17/2020 4:05 am : link
In comment 14838262 Joey in VA said:
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Giants are OUT on Clowney, asking price is too high, they have moved on.


What is supposed asking price? Fine with this, but there was crazy talk about NYG being very deeply in on him. Martinez at $10M isn’t a ton but many aren’t good with this. If Clowney was in $20-$22 M range that’s a ton as well clearly. NYG need an Edge badly.
RE: RE: Asshat info  
Peppers : 3/17/2020 4:25 am : link
In comment 14838382 Philu916 said:
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In comment 14838262 Joey in VA said:


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Giants are OUT on Clowney, asking price is too high, they have moved on.



What is supposed asking price? Fine with this, but there was crazy talk about NYG being very deeply in on him. Martinez at $10M isn’t a ton but many aren’t good with this. If Clowney was in $20-$22 M range that’s a ton as well clearly. NYG need an Edge badly.


21 per year range is right. Nearly 70 guaranteed. Last I heard NYG had an offer on the table and are still very much in it.

But.. I've also heard they are checking in on other edge rushers. Perhaps they did drop out or maybe just setting up plan B.

With everything going on I haven't had much time to ask around. Sorry folks. Weird offseason.
RE: RE: RE: Asshat info  
Philu916 : 3/17/2020 4:31 am : link
In comment 14838383 Peppers said:
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In comment 14838382 Philu916 said:


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In comment 14838262 Joey in VA said:


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Giants are OUT on Clowney, asking price is too high, they have moved on.



What is supposed asking price? Fine with this, but there was crazy talk about NYG being very deeply in on him. Martinez at $10M isn’t a ton but many aren’t good with this. If Clowney was in $20-$22 M range that’s a ton as well clearly. NYG need an Edge badly.



21 per year range is right. Nearly 70 guaranteed. Last I heard NYG had an offer on the table and are still very much in it.

But.. I've also heard they are checking in on other edge rushers. Perhaps they did drop out or maybe just setting up plan B.

With everything going on I haven't had much time to ask around. Sorry folks. Weird offseason.


Any clue who option B is? Was it Martinez as an ILB or was that just a 3 year cheaper DG signing totally separate?
RE: RE: Can anyone  
giants#1 : 3/17/2020 6:09 am : link
In comment 14837764 Eric on Li said:
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Not sure if this smoke is true, and if I was a betting man....I would say that Clowney would not be a Judge type player...

Obviously, the talent is there....but the red flags concerns me, especially after getting paid.



Last 2 years combined:
5 FF
5 Fumble Recoveries
2 TDs
12 sacks
23 TFL's
4 passes knocked down
44 QB hits

I am not a bit Clowney fan and highly doubt he will fit what Judget/DG are looking for. But like every other player that's available it will depend on the contract he gets. As Jon mentioned above, it's hard to argue he isn't worth 2x what someone like John Jenkins could get. Or even Golden who we know is far from a game changer. He's got his issues but when healthy he is in the small handful of guys talented enough to be a defensive game wrecker.


I'm in the anti-Clowney group, but if he's looking for a 3 year deal like seemingly everyone else (would be 30 in 2023), I could warm to it. Would certainly keep him motivated for his next big pay day.
RE: Asshat info  
Brown Recluse : 3/17/2020 6:51 am : link
In comment 14838262 Joey in VA said:
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Giants are OUT on Clowney, asking price is too high, they have moved on.


Thank God. Overrated.
RE: Asshat info  
figgy2989 : 3/17/2020 6:53 am : link
In comment 14838262 Joey in VA said:
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Giants are OUT on Clowney, asking price is too high, they have moved on.


Thank you Joey. Would like to see that money go to multiple players in FA and start plugging holes and building depth.
NYG to sign Levine Toilolo  
NYG22 : 3/17/2020 7:44 am : link
TE, 6'8" 268 from 49ers
Just glad they didn't sign him on Monday  
ZogZerg : 3/17/2020 8:44 am : link
Set a limit and move on if he is asking for moon.
What other teams are in on him? I doubt many for huge money.

RE: RE: Asshat info  
Carson53 : 3/17/2020 9:17 am : link
In comment 14838434 Brown Recluse said:
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In comment 14838262 Joey in VA said:


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Giants are OUT on Clowney, asking price is too high, they have moved on.



Thank God. Overrated.
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And injury prone as well.
We're becoming the Stanford of the East  
Anakim : 3/17/2020 9:47 am : link
Meanwhile, approx. how much money do we have left? I want McGovern!
RE: We're becoming the Stanford of the East  
BleedBlue : 3/17/2020 9:53 am : link
In comment 14838720 Anakim said:
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Meanwhile, approx. how much money do we have left? I want McGovern!


id like that signing.

be nice if we were able to get mcgovern and two edges.

go OT at 4 and then maybe delpit in second if there?
RE: RE: We're becoming the Stanford of the East  
Anakim : 3/17/2020 9:57 am : link
In comment 14838732 BleedBlue said:
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In comment 14838720 Anakim said:


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Meanwhile, approx. how much money do we have left? I want McGovern!



id like that signing.

be nice if we were able to get mcgovern and two edges.

go OT at 4 and then maybe delpit in second if there?



Between you and me...and everyone reading this thread, I still have a sneaking suspicion that Chase Young will fall to 4. I think Burrow and Tua are most assuredly top-3 pick. That leave one spot between us and Young.

If Young is not there, I would take Jedrick Wills Jr. No questions asked. And maybe in the second round go with Yetur Gross-Matos or Tee Higgins.
I saw Rapoport said that  
Strahan91 : 3/17/2020 9:58 am : link
Anthony Harris can be bad for a mid round pick. Giants were rumored to be in on him before he was franchised. Haven’t seen much discussion but seems like a no brainer if they can get it done for their Collins comp pick or their fourth.
RE: Asshat info  
M.S. : 3/17/2020 10:06 am : link
In comment 14838262 Joey in VA said:
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Giants are OUT on Clowney, asking price is too high, they have moved on.

Great news!
RE: RE: RE: We're becoming the Stanford of the East  
BleedBlue : 3/17/2020 10:07 am : link
In comment 14838744 Anakim said:
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In comment 14838732 BleedBlue said:


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In comment 14838720 Anakim said:


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Meanwhile, approx. how much money do we have left? I want McGovern!



id like that signing.

be nice if we were able to get mcgovern and two edges.

go OT at 4 and then maybe delpit in second if there?




Between you and me...and everyone reading this thread, I still have a sneaking suspicion that Chase Young will fall to 4. I think Burrow and Tua are most assuredly top-3 pick. That leave one spot between us and Young.

If Young is not there, I would take Jedrick Wills Jr. No questions asked. And maybe in the second round go with Yetur Gross-Matos or Tee Higgins.


anak, you and I are on the same wavelength. 1. i am not counting out young even if its a longer shot 2. i LOVE wills. i know you fell in love with his footwork like i did. I think the guy is going to be special player for a long time.

RE: Asshat info  
Saquads26 : 3/17/2020 10:07 am : link
In comment 14838262 Joey in VA said:
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Giants are OUT on Clowney, asking price is too high, they have moved on.


Phew
RE: RE: RE: RE: We're becoming the Stanford of the East  
Anakim : 3/17/2020 10:09 am : link
In comment 14838770 BleedBlue said:
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In comment 14838744 Anakim said:


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In comment 14838732 BleedBlue said:


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In comment 14838720 Anakim said:


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Meanwhile, approx. how much money do we have left? I want McGovern!



id like that signing.

be nice if we were able to get mcgovern and two edges.

go OT at 4 and then maybe delpit in second if there?




Between you and me...and everyone reading this thread, I still have a sneaking suspicion that Chase Young will fall to 4. I think Burrow and Tua are most assuredly top-3 pick. That leave one spot between us and Young.

If Young is not there, I would take Jedrick Wills Jr. No questions asked. And maybe in the second round go with Yetur Gross-Matos or Tee Higgins.



anak, you and I are on the same wavelength. 1. i am not counting out young even if its a longer shot 2. i LOVE wills. i know you fell in love with his footwork like i did. I think the guy is going to be special player for a long time.



Yep, but it wasn't just his feet. It's his smarts and technique and that punch of his. If he was bigger with longer arms, I think he would be talked about like Penei Sewell.
RE: I saw Rapoport said that  
Klaatu : 3/17/2020 10:10 am : link
In comment 14838747 Strahan91 said:
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Anthony Harris can be bad for a mid round pick. Giants were rumored to be in on him before he was franchised. Haven’t seen much discussion but seems like a no brainer if they can get it done for their Collins comp pick or their fourth.


He was my #1 free agent target, the only free agent I wanted to see the Giants sign regardless of cost.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: We're becoming the Stanford of the East  
BleedBlue : 3/17/2020 10:11 am : link
In comment 14838777 Anakim said:
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In comment 14838744 Anakim said:


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In comment 14838732 BleedBlue said:


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Meanwhile, approx. how much money do we have left? I want McGovern!



id like that signing.

be nice if we were able to get mcgovern and two edges.

go OT at 4 and then maybe delpit in second if there?




Between you and me...and everyone reading this thread, I still have a sneaking suspicion that Chase Young will fall to 4. I think Burrow and Tua are most assuredly top-3 pick. That leave one spot between us and Young.

If Young is not there, I would take Jedrick Wills Jr. No questions asked. And maybe in the second round go with Yetur Gross-Matos or Tee Higgins.



anak, you and I are on the same wavelength. 1. i am not counting out young even if its a longer shot 2. i LOVE wills. i know you fell in love with his footwork like i did. I think the guy is going to be special player for a long time.





Yep, but it wasn't just his feet. It's his smarts and technique and that punch of his. If he was bigger with longer arms, I think he would be talked about like Penei Sewell.


yea, i like him alot. he rarely mis steps and is fluid in pass pro. i think he would be a great pick at 4
deforest buckner  
jmalls23 : 3/17/2020 10:11 am : link
would you have traded #4 pick for buckner?
Anakim  
M.S. : 3/17/2020 10:11 am : link

Your words:

"I still have a sneaking suspicion that Chase Young will fall to 4. I think Burrow and Tua are most assuredly top-3 pick. That leave one spot between us and Young."

What are you saying here?

If you think Burrow and Tua are going in the Top 3, which player do you think will sneak ahead of Chase Young, thus pushing the best DE in the Draft to us at 4?

RE: deforest buckner  
figgy2989 : 3/17/2020 10:12 am : link
In comment 14838784 jmalls23 said:
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would you have traded #4 pick for buckner?


For the right to pay him $21M a year moving forward, I wouldn't.
RE: Anakim  
Capt. Don : 3/17/2020 10:20 am : link
In comment 14838785 M.S. said:
Quote:

Your words:

"I still have a sneaking suspicion that Chase Young will fall to 4. I think Burrow and Tua are most assuredly top-3 pick. That leave one spot between us and Young."

What are you saying here?

If you think Burrow and Tua are going in the Top 3, which player do you think will sneak ahead of Chase Young, thus pushing the best DE in the Draft to us at 4?


It just takes one team to fall in love with Justin Herbert.

Not likely but not crazy either.
RE: Anakim  
Anakim : 3/17/2020 10:24 am : link
In comment 14838785 M.S. said:
Quote:

Your words:

"I still have a sneaking suspicion that Chase Young will fall to 4. I think Burrow and Tua are most assuredly top-3 pick. That leave one spot between us and Young."

What are you saying here?

If you think Burrow and Tua are going in the Top 3, which player do you think will sneak ahead of Chase Young, thus pushing the best DE in the Draft to us at 4?



Simmons and Okudah, but I also could see a team giving a shitload to the Lions to trade up and secure Herbert
RE: RE: Anakim  
M.S. : 3/17/2020 10:27 am : link
In comment 14838810 Anakim said:
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In comment 14838785 M.S. said:


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Your words:

"I still have a sneaking suspicion that Chase Young will fall to 4. I think Burrow and Tua are most assuredly top-3 pick. That leave one spot between us and Young."

What are you saying here?

If you think Burrow and Tua are going in the Top 3, which player do you think will sneak ahead of Chase Young, thus pushing the best DE in the Draft to us at 4?





Simmons and Okudah, but I also could see a team giving a shitload to the Lions to trade up and secure Herbert

Ahh, got it. Thanks!

Here is my opinion:

There is zero chance Chase Young will be there at #4.
RE: RE: Anakim  
M.S. : 3/17/2020 10:28 am : link
In comment 14838803 Capt. Don said:
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In comment 14838785 M.S. said:


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Your words:

"I still have a sneaking suspicion that Chase Young will fall to 4. I think Burrow and Tua are most assuredly top-3 pick. That leave one spot between us and Young."

What are you saying here?

If you think Burrow and Tua are going in the Top 3, which player do you think will sneak ahead of Chase Young, thus pushing the best DE in the Draft to us at 4?




It just takes one team to fall in love with Justin Herbert.

Not likely but not crazy either.

I am a huge fan of Justin Herbert. But I just don't see this scenario unfolding.
RE: RE: RE: Anakim  
Anakim : 3/17/2020 10:40 am : link
In comment 14838822 M.S. said:
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In comment 14838810 Anakim said:


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In comment 14838785 M.S. said:


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Your words:

"I still have a sneaking suspicion that Chase Young will fall to 4. I think Burrow and Tua are most assuredly top-3 pick. That leave one spot between us and Young."

What are you saying here?

If you think Burrow and Tua are going in the Top 3, which player do you think will sneak ahead of Chase Young, thus pushing the best DE in the Draft to us at 4?





Simmons and Okudah, but I also could see a team giving a shitload to the Lions to trade up and secure Herbert


Ahh, got it. Thanks!

Here is my opinion:

There is zero chance Chase Young will be there at #4.


We shall see
RE: RE: RE: Anakim  
Capt. Don : 3/17/2020 10:40 am : link
In comment 14838825 M.S. said:
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In comment 14838803 Capt. Don said:



I am a huge fan of Justin Herbert. But I just don't see this scenario unfolding.


I agree that it is unlikely but every year there is a discrepancy between what we/media think and what the concensus is among the professionals.

When it comes to QBs, people fall in love and as we all know, love makes us do crazy things.
Some of you really need to edit your replies.  
Klaatu : 3/17/2020 10:42 am : link
Take an extra minute or two and stop cluttering up the board.
RE: Some of you really need to edit your replies.  
Anakim : 3/17/2020 10:44 am : link
In comment 14838866 Klaatu said:
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Take an extra minute or two and stop cluttering up the board.


You need to edit...your face


FACE!
There have been consensus "top-3" players who have fallen a bit  
Anakim : 3/17/2020 10:46 am : link
Leonard Williams, Josh Allen, Laremy Tunsil (granted that was for off-the-field issues)
Anakim, even at my age...  
Klaatu : 3/17/2020 10:54 am : link
I can probably "edit" your face in about 30 seconds.

ITG aside, with all of the problems Gary and Eric have had with the site recently, I'd think helping to keep the board as "clean" as possible would be a good thing, not to mention making threads easier to read. But you do you.
RE: There have been consensus  
Rjanyg : 3/17/2020 10:54 am : link
In comment 14838883 Anakim said:
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Leonard Williams, Josh Allen, Laremy Tunsil (granted that was for off-the-field issues)


Ironically The Giants passed on 2 of them and traded for one.
RE: RE: I saw Rapoport said that  
JerryNicklebag : 3/17/2020 10:55 am : link
In comment 14838781 Klaatu said:
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In comment 14838747 Strahan91 said:


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Anthony Harris can be bad for a mid round pick. Giants were rumored to be in on him before he was franchised. Haven’t seen much discussion but seems like a no brainer if they can get it done for their Collins comp pick or their fourth.



He was my #1 free agent target, the only free agent I wanted to see the Giants sign regardless of cost.


Give up a 4 now or a 5 this year and 5 next. Get it done!
RE: Anakim, even at my age...  
Anakim : 3/17/2020 10:58 am : link
In comment 14838899 Klaatu said:
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I can probably "edit" your face in about 30 seconds.

ITG aside, with all of the problems Gary and Eric have had with the site recently, I'd think helping to keep the board as "clean" as possible would be a good thing, not to mention making threads easier to read. But you do you.



Haha, you're right. Just teasin'
Marc Ross on WFAN now  
The_Boss : 3/17/2020 11:00 am : link
Says Jones will be just a “serviceable” QB in this league. Moose then says. “You don’t choose serviceable with the 6th overall pick”.

So that means, Jones is heading for glory!
RE: Marc Ross on WFAN now  
Anakim : 3/17/2020 11:02 am : link
In comment 14838920 The_Boss said:
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Says Jones will be just a “serviceable” QB in this league. Moose then says. “You don’t choose serviceable with the 6th overall pick”.

So that means, Jones is heading for glory!


Hate that smarmy asshole so much. Makes me sick to see him on the NFLN
RE: Marc Ross on WFAN now  
GiantsRage2007 : 3/17/2020 11:05 am : link
In comment 14838920 The_Boss said:
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Says Jones will be just a “serviceable” QB in this league. Moose then says. “You don’t choose serviceable with the 6th overall pick”.

So that means, Jones is heading for glory!


Marc Ross turned being a horrible judge of talent into a nice gig on tv/radio being horrible at judging talent. Pretty amazing actually.
RE: RE: Marc Ross on WFAN now  
The_Boss : 3/17/2020 11:09 am : link
In comment 14838942 GiantsRage2007 said:
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In comment 14838920 The_Boss said:


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Says Jones will be just a “serviceable” QB in this league. Moose then says. “You don’t choose serviceable with the 6th overall pick”.

So that means, Jones is heading for glory!



Marc Ross turned being a horrible judge of talent into a nice gig on tv/radio being horrible at judging talent. Pretty amazing actually.


Jedrick Willis is a 2nd rounder: Ross

Case in point.
Anthony Harris  
NYG22 : 3/17/2020 11:09 am : link
Other than the 6 INT, size (6'1" 190), school (UVA), please educate me on this guy. He's not on my radar.
"Jedrick Willis is a 2nd rounder: Ross"  
Torrag : 3/17/2020 11:11 am : link
So he's a Top 10 lock. Thx Marc Ross for verifying what we all knew.
RE: Anthony Harris  
Strahan91 : 3/17/2020 11:12 am : link
In comment 14838953 NYG22 said:
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Other than the 6 INT, size (6'1" 190), school (UVA), please educate me on this guy. He's not on my radar.

He might be the best FS in football. If not he's definitely top 3.
RE: "Jedrick Wills is a 2nd Rounder. Marc Ross."  
Klaatu : 3/17/2020 11:30 am : link
In comment 14838960 Torrag said:
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So he's a Top 10 lock. Thx Marc Ross for verifying what we all knew.


Also Marc Ross:

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MEDIA Q&A WITH VICE PRESIDENT OF PLAYER EVALUATION MARC ROSS: (Video) (Giants.com Interview)

Q: What do you think about Ereck Flowers?

A: Ereck is, as you have probably heard, a physical, nasty, tough football player and you just don’t see that too often anymore in college football. He is a man-child physically. He is gigantic. He has long arms. He just turned 21 on Saturday. Super productive against the highest level of competition there, the Florida States and the Nebraskas. He is a good player who is just scratching the surface of how good he can be.

Q: Where do you see him position-wise?

A: Tackle, for sure. He can play [either side]. He has done that. He played right tackle as a freshman. He played left tackle the last two years, so wherever the coaches want to play him and feel most comfortable right now, but I feel he can do either tackle spot.

Q: Do you see that his weakness is with his techniques?

A: You read that stuff. The guy is 20. They all have technique flaws. Nobody is ready-made to play in the NFL. Even fourth- or fifth-year seniors. They all can improve. He is just learning to play, but even with technique flaws, the guy was a productive and dominant player at times.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Anakim  
Gruber : 3/17/2020 11:35 am : link
In comment 14838863 Capt. Don said:
Quote:

I agree that it is unlikely but every year there is a discrepancy between what we/media think and what the concensus is among the professionals.

When it comes to QBs, people fall in love and as we all know, love makes us do crazy things.


I don’t believe there was a consensus that Baker Mayfield would go #1. Only very late, when it started leaking that the Browns were big on him, and even then some suspected a smokescreen.
I still maintained the Browns goofed. They could have taken Saquon with #1 and still had a QB with their #4 pick. Might even have been Mayfield.
FA Rumors vs Discussion  
Big Blue Hokie : 3/17/2020 11:36 am : link
Can we make this thread just for Giants FA Rumors and not discussions on other topics? I hate Marc Ross as much as anyone but how is that related to FA Rumors?
Agreed  
figgy2989 : 3/17/2020 11:40 am : link
Every time I see this thread jump up, I think its a rumor.
RE: I saw Rapoport said that  
TommyWiseau : 3/17/2020 11:52 am : link
In comment 14838747 Strahan91 said:
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Anthony Harris can be bad for a mid round pick. Giants were rumored to be in on him before he was franchised. Haven’t seen much discussion but seems like a no brainer if they can get it done for their Collins comp pick or their fourth.


If true, that would be the right kind of trade (would make more sense then giving mid round picks for Leonard Williams). Harris is a stud
Leonard Floyd  
PaulN : 3/17/2020 12:38 pm : link
Is being released by the Bears, I know he has underwhelmed, he made under 3 mil last season, I know we were interested in him when he came out, maybe he can be had on a 1 year prove it deal, I could see him having a good year if he fits in the type defense we will run, you resign Golden even and that could work.
RE: Leonard Floyd  
Philu916 : 3/17/2020 1:09 pm : link
In comment 14839118 PaulN said:
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Is being released by the Bears, I know he has underwhelmed, he made under 3 mil last season, I know we were interested in him when he came out, maybe he can be had on a 1 year prove it deal, I could see him having a good year if he fits in the type defense we will run, you resign Golden even and that could work.

Worst case scenario is he doesn’t work on a prove it deal
"Worst case scenario is he doesn’t work on a prove it deal"  
Torrag : 3/17/2020 1:16 pm : link
You worry about these bottom feeder signings when you've run down your cap space and still hjave holes to fill.

Currently we still have $35M to spend. Floyd and other similar failures and injury cases(Daryl Williams)can wait.
RE:  
Strahan91 : 3/17/2020 1:22 pm : link
In comment 14839211 Torrag said:
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You worry about these bottom feeder signings when you've run down your cap space and still hjave holes to fill.

Oh so like Levine Toilolo?
RE:  
Brown Recluse : 3/17/2020 1:24 pm : link
In comment 14839211 Torrag said:
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You worry about these bottom feeder signings when you've run down your cap space and still hjave holes to fill.

Currently we still have $35M to spend. Floyd and other similar failures and injury cases(Daryl Williams)can wait.


I think they probably have the capability to work with multiple players at once and forecast various cap scenarios at the same time.
"Oh so like Levine Toilolo?"  
Torrag : 3/17/2020 1:25 pm : link
Toiloilo isn't a prove it failure deal nitwit. He's a role player specialist. So dumb.
"forecast various cap scenarios at the same time"  
Torrag : 3/17/2020 1:28 pm : link
You don't commit cap resources to reclamation projects until the active market for desirable players dries up. Period.
RE:  
Strahan91 : 3/17/2020 1:32 pm : link
In comment 14839234 Torrag said:
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Toiloilo isn't a prove it failure deal nitwit. He's a role player specialist. So dumb.

Nice name-calling! Definitely strengthens your point that Darryl Williams and Leonard Floyd are bottom feeder signings but Toiloilo who may not make the team is a top of the market priority signing. Can't argue with such a line of thinking.
"Can't argue with such a line of thinking"  
Torrag : 3/17/2020 1:40 pm : link
I provided facts. You invented nonsense. You're debate skills are non existent.
RE: Some of you really need to edit your replies.  
section125 : 3/17/2020 1:47 pm : link
In comment 14838866 Klaatu said:
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Take an extra minute or two and stop cluttering up the board.


Yep, really not difficult to trim the sections you are not replying to from the post when replying. Takes about 15 seconds to delete a few sentences.
RE: FA Rumors vs Discussion  
TheMick7 : 3/17/2020 1:47 pm : link
In comment 14839008 Big Blue Hokie said:
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Can we make this thread just for Giants FA Rumors and not discussions on other topics? I hate Marc Ross as much as anyone but how is that related to FA Rumors?


Agree I ignore anything he says & if he comes on the NFL Network,I change the channel!!!
your "facts"  
Strahan91 : 3/17/2020 1:48 pm : link
are nothing but a straw man argument. You're stating your opinion which isn't supported by what happens every NFL offseason. I don't have interest in arguing with you further so this is the last I'll say on the topic then I'm moving on.

Williams is a former all-pro who would be penciled in as the starter at RT. They currently don't have a RT. Floyd would be a situational pass rusher. Apparently in your world though you don't prioritize those things over a tight end who may be competing for a roster spot? Give me a break. Clearly you are talking out of your ass and you probably realized your point didn't make any sense hence why instead of actually supporting your point you decided to instead act like a jerk.
strahan I don't want to get into insults  
Torrag : 3/17/2020 1:51 pm : link
but you're on of the dumbest, least knowledgeable football posters on the site. I'm not engaging you anymore. You're not worth my time or effort. Go on spewing garbage. No one gives you any credence.
Nice. Lots of "facts" to continue supporting your "argument".  
Strahan91 : 3/17/2020 1:53 pm : link
I tried to engage with you in good faith but clearly you have some serious growing up to do.
Torrag vs Strahan  
Reale01 : 3/17/2020 2:22 pm : link
3 rounds 8 oz gloves? Or do you guys prefer the octagon?

Seriously you each make some points. I get that some opinions are better thought out but there really is no right or wrong here just discussion and opinion.
heh, you guys are fighting about Levine Toilolo  
Heisenberg : 3/17/2020 3:00 pm : link
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Not all that exciting but still Giants' FA rumor  
Pete in MD : 3/17/2020 3:12 pm : link
Manish Mehta
@MMehtaNYDN
·
6m
Jets are in the market for a backup QB. Veteran Matt Moore played well for Adam Gase in Miami when needed. He would be solid Sam Darnold insurance.

But keep an eye on the Giants, who have made it known that they’d be interested in having Moore as Daniel Jones’ backup in 2020.
RE: Not all that exciting but still Giants' FA rumor  
Heisenberg : 3/17/2020 3:47 pm : link
In comment 14839396 Pete in MD said:
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Manish Mehta
@MMehtaNYDN
·
6m
Jets are in the market for a backup QB. Veteran Matt Moore played well for Adam Gase in Miami when needed. He would be solid Sam Darnold insurance.

But keep an eye on the Giants, who have made it known that they’d be interested in having Moore as Daniel Jones’ backup in 2020.


He's a good backup. Be happier with him than Tanney
I would love Matt Moore as the backup  
Jay on the Island : 3/17/2020 3:58 pm : link
I assumed that he would retire again.
I have tried to hold back and be optimistic but...  
Affirmation : 3/17/2020 4:20 pm : link
Again, this incompetent idiot is doing his best to build another team that won't make significant progress next season and that's even with a new coaching staff. I get it, Dave Gettleman does do some things right but the problem comes down to the fact that he can't seem to ultimately build a successful team. A lot of this has to be with how he handles Free Agency and Trades which as we all know is a large part of building a team that can look to challenge in the league. I can't seriously understand how anyone can look at these transactions so far and be satisfied with what we are doing compared to the value other teams are getting.
Agreed  
Jripper7799 : 3/17/2020 4:29 pm : link
DG is a bumbling idiot. We need an impact player on defense and all we got so far are pieces. Clowney, wont happen with this "Clown" running the circus unfortunately. All the big time lineman and defensive ends are going elsewhere. We still have holes everywhere and DG is pacing himself instead of moving his ass....
RE: I have tried to hold back and be optimistic but...  
The_Boss : 3/17/2020 4:33 pm : link
In comment 14839545 Affirmation said:
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Again, this incompetent idiot is doing his best to build another team that won't make significant progress next season and that's even with a new coaching staff. I get it, Dave Gettleman does do some things right but the problem comes down to the fact that he can't seem to ultimately build a successful team. A lot of this has to be with how he handles Free Agency and Trades which as we all know is a large part of building a team that can look to challenge in the league. I can't seriously understand how anyone can look at these transactions so far and be satisfied with what we are doing compared to the value other teams are getting.


As others have said there is a lot working against the franchise right now.
Remember:
Record wise they’ve been the worst team across multiple seasons
They’ve turned over 3 coaches in a short period.
The unknown of yet another coach
NJ State income taxes.
And, like it or not, Dave Gettleman’s presence is a negative.
for going into his 3rd yr  
Payasdaddy : 3/17/2020 4:39 pm : link
sure a ton of holes on this team
We still need around 2 ER and a safety on D, and a couple that are high impact an ILB that can cover too
arent connelly and martinez very similiar?
offense
2 olinemen at least 1 more WR
We can probably fill 1 or 2 holes in FA
hopefully 3-4 in draft
DG I have soured on
Were...  
Jripper7799 : 3/17/2020 4:45 pm : link
The only team in the league who has 10 run stuffers on our D line, zero of them can push the pocket or pass rush and 16 million of that is dedicated to a guy who had 2 and a half sacks. The man is brilliant as a GM.
Feels a little early  
Strahan91 : 3/17/2020 4:49 pm : link
for the negative sentiment from posters above. I know people are frustrated and the Giants don't deserve the benefit of the doubt but it's not like there aren't a ton of impact players still on the market. If they sign none then I can see why people would be pissed off but they haven't missed on any glaring obvious guys yet (aside from choosing Martinez over Littleton or Schobert).
I would have hoped for a pass rusher of some sort by now  
Rjanyg : 3/17/2020 4:50 pm : link
Clowney is probably out of reach and may not be fiscally responsible but Jenkins, Fowler or re-signing Golden would be a good move.
Can you guys create you own "crying thread"  
ZogZerg : 3/17/2020 4:54 pm : link
And keep this nonsense off of the FA rumors thread?

Jesus H.
agree Rjanyc  
Strahan91 : 3/17/2020 4:56 pm : link
but Clowney and Fowler are unsigned and the top two guys who hit the market so I can't complain until they sign elsewhere.
RE: RE: sorry my bad.....I got a little  
djm : 3/17/2020 5:03 pm : link
In comment 14837987 Klaatu said:
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In comment 14837977 Jonesin 4 A Ship said:


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excited.....damn it



For one brief, shining moment, djm got wood thanks to you.


I didn't even see this rumor until much later. Thankfully, no premature wood for this guy. Not that I need any help from a 255 pound war daddy...NTTAWWt

RE: I would have hoped for a pass rusher of some sort by now  
Klaatu : 3/17/2020 5:06 pm : link
In comment 14839611 Rjanyg said:
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Clowney is probably out of reach and may not be fiscally responsible but Jenkins, Fowler or re-signing Golden would be a good move.


I really didn't want to sign a big-ticket pass-rusher this year. For one thing, I haven't given up hope that Carter and/or Ximines will improve with better coaching and a better scheme. For another, I think the Giants will look to add an ER/OLB at some point in the draft.

What I'd like to see them do is sign a stopgap, a veteran who still has something left in his tank, to act as a situational pass-rusher. Vinny Curry would be my choice.

In addition, I'd like to see more improvements to the Secondary. Bradberry was a good start, but I'm still hoping the Giants can sign a veteran FS to team up with Peppers and Love in sub-packages. Try to force more coverage sacks and INT's.
Any news on Connor McGovern?  
Saquads26 : 3/17/2020 5:54 pm : link
He’d be a nice pickup
RE: Any news on Connor McGovern?  
Anakim : 3/17/2020 5:56 pm : link
In comment 14839753 Saquads26 said:
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He’d be a nice pickup


Agreed. I want him
McGovern either has tons of interest to sort through...  
Torrag : 3/17/2020 5:59 pm : link
or his ask is way above his performance level which is good but not elite or he'd have signed by now.
Denver didn't seem too desperate to re-sign him.  
yatqb : 3/17/2020 6:01 pm : link
What do you see in him? I sure didn't watch much of Denver, but he's another smallish C like Pulley. I wonder if Gates or a draft choice starts there for us next year.
If not McGovern, they should sign Karras  
jeff57 : 3/17/2020 6:02 pm : link
They need a center who can play.
RE: Denver didn't seem too desperate to re-sign him.  
Anakim : 3/17/2020 6:12 pm : link
In comment 14839772 yatqb said:
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What do you see in him? I sure didn't watch much of Denver, but he's another smallish C like Pulley. I wonder if Gates or a draft choice starts there for us next year.


I just want a fucking Centre who doesn't get pushed back consistently
Cameron Fleming (OT Cowboys)...  
Mike in St. Louis : 3/17/2020 6:19 pm : link
probably pure speculation but....

"ESPN's Jeremy Fowler reports the Cowboys won't exercise OT Cameron Fleming's option.

It's still possible Dallas brings him back for less than his $4 million option would have entailed. The 27-year-old swing tackle is also a candidate to reunite with Giants OC Jason Garrett in New York."
Well there goes that  
Saquads26 : 3/17/2020 6:33 pm : link
The #Jets are signing former #Broncos C Conner McGovern, per @MMehtaNYDN. GM Joe Douglas continues to work on the offensive line.
I'd be surprised if we don't see 1 or 2 OL added  
Eric on Li : 3/17/2020 6:37 pm : link
Karras and Williams seem like 2 of the better remaining options.

Looney and Flemming a little bit lesser.

Someone like Marcus Gilbert would be ok too.

And if the Jags are shopping someone like Brandon Linder, that would be a really nice pickup.

None of those moves would prevent drafting at least 1 OL early on too.
Leonard  
Saquads26 : 3/17/2020 6:40 pm : link
“ Keep an eye on #Patriots’ Ted Karras as a possibility for #Giants. Filled in well for David Andrews last season.”
RE: Leonard  
Anakim : 3/17/2020 7:04 pm : link
In comment 14839856 Saquads26 said:
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“ Keep an eye on #Patriots’ Ted Karras as a possibility for #Giants. Filled in well for David Andrews last season.”


Seems like he's the best C available, so cool with me
Adding Karras and Daryl Williams would be solid moves  
Eric on Li : 3/17/2020 7:08 pm : link
that's 5 guys with starting experience at their respective positions, 3 who have made pro bowls, plus Gates and Pulley.

That really gives them some flexibility in the draft to do anything from drafting Solder's immediate + long term replacement in round 1 or a couple more developmental players.
RE: Adding Karras and Daryl Williams would be solid moves  
Strahan91 : 3/17/2020 7:10 pm : link
In comment 14839924 Eric on Li said:
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that's 5 guys with starting experience at their respective positions, 3 who have made pro bowls, plus Gates and Pulley.

That really gives them some flexibility in the draft to do anything from drafting Solder's immediate + long term replacement in round 1 or a couple more developmental players.

Fleming is another possibility at RT I would think
yup I'm sure Flemming is on the list somewhere  
Eric on Li : 3/17/2020 7:14 pm : link
I'd prefer the other 2 just because of the upside, but if they are high on Gates at RT, Flemming might make more sense as a cheaper option.
RE: RE: Adding Karras and Daryl Williams would be solid moves  
The_Boss : 3/17/2020 7:19 pm : link
In comment 14839933 Strahan91 said:
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In comment 14839924 Eric on Li said:


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that's 5 guys with starting experience at their respective positions, 3 who have made pro bowls, plus Gates and Pulley.

That really gives them some flexibility in the draft to do anything from drafting Solder's immediate + long term replacement in round 1 or a couple more developmental players.


Fleming is another possibility at RT I would think


Dan Metro Man had a thread maybe 2 weeks ago breaking down both Williams and Fleming. In it, you will see metrics some posters and I provided on both players that do not paint pretty pictures. They were, actually, awful. Signing either of those 2, especially Fleming, would be asking for problems.
Gates looked pretty decent at OT last couple of games  
Payasdaddy : 3/17/2020 7:20 pm : link
if he can get a little stronger with offseason, maybe a decent RT
at least he didnt suck out there
Garafolo says we are in on Leonard Floyd - I'd love that  
Eric on Li : 3/17/2020 7:29 pm : link
he has a first step that nobody else on this team has had since Osi left town.
RE: Garafolo says we are in on Leonard Floyd - I'd love that  
Jon in NYC : 3/17/2020 7:31 pm : link
In comment 14839981 Eric on Li said:
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he has a first step that nobody else on this team has had since Osi left town.


Then why does he have 7 sacks in two years.
Floyd  
XBRONX : 3/17/2020 7:32 pm : link
has been a huge bust. No thanks
Floyd  
Marty866b : 3/17/2020 7:35 pm : link
Yuk! A linebacker in a wider receiver body.
Floyd matching up against the OL’s in this division  
The_Boss : 3/17/2020 7:38 pm : link
Is worrisome. I would be very leery of signing him.
RE: RE: Garafolo says we are in on Leonard Floyd - I'd love that  
Eric on Li : 3/17/2020 7:39 pm : link
In comment 14839985 Jon in NYC said:
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In comment 14839981 Eric on Li said:


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he has a first step that nobody else on this team has had since Osi left town.



Then why does he have 7 sacks in two years.


Good question, I don't know.
"Good question, I don't know."  
Torrag : 3/17/2020 7:42 pm : link
Answer: because he's not a good football player. Hard pass unless it's on the cheap. If we give him a ridiculous payday like Beasley got I'll be joining the 'run DG out of town' nutters.
They're starved for pass rush talent.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/17/2020 7:46 pm : link
. Poking around d another team's washouts is a symptom of such. Chicago's defensive coaching was really good in the last few years. Floyd may just be what he looks like. An athlete, not a football player.
Here’s an answer on Floyd’s lack of sacks (not a great one)  
Eric on Li : 3/17/2020 7:59 pm : link
Since his first year in the league, Floyd’s sack numbers have steadily decreased. He has only totaled 11.5 sacks in the past three seasons. However, he still has shown the consistent ability to rush the passer with 35 quarterback hits and 75 pressures during this span.

In the last two seasons alone, Floyd has racked up 49 pressures, 23 hits, and seven sacks while starting all 32 games at outside linebacker on the Bears defense.
Why the giants should take a chance on Leonard floyd - ( New Window )
I wanted Floyd back in 2016  
Rjanyg : 3/17/2020 8:04 pm : link
But I have to admit the Jenkins may be the better signing. Clowney is a pipe dream at this point.
"he still has shown the consistent ability to rush the passer"  
Torrag : 3/17/2020 8:08 pm : link
We already have one of those non-finishers on the roster. His name is Leonard Williams. We've filled our quota ty.

Maybe it's the name Leonard????? Opponents are like I'm not giving up a sack to a dude named Leonard.

Pass.
RE:  
Klaatu : 3/17/2020 8:12 pm : link
In comment 14840064 Torrag said:
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We already have one of those non-finishers on the roster. His name is Leonard Williams. We've filled our quota ty.

Maybe it's the name Leonard????? Opponents are like I'm not giving up a sack to a dude named Leonard.

Pass.


I guess times really have changed.

Ranaan  
Saquads26 : 3/17/2020 8:39 pm : link
“ Expect the Giants to be searching for more value at the edge rusher position. They will look into Leonard Floyd and others but don’t foresee them jumping at the top names available.

They’re also looking at affordable options at RT and C. #NFLFreeAgency”
RE: Ranaan  
Philu916 : 3/17/2020 8:42 pm : link
In comment 14840117 Saquads26 said:
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“ Expect the Giants to be searching for more value at the edge rusher position. They will look into Leonard Floyd and others but don’t foresee them jumping at the top names available.

They’re also looking at affordable options at RT and C. #NFLFreeAgency”

Cordy Glenn?
Why is that they never seem to make a concerted effort to  
Strahan91 : 3/17/2020 8:43 pm : link
fill the FS spot? Such an important position that they’ve been mostly neglecting since Rolle. Center too but at least they seem ready to do that this offseason.
RE: Why is that they never seem to make a concerted effort to  
Anakim : 3/17/2020 8:59 pm : link
In comment 14840123 Strahan91 said:
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fill the FS spot? Such an important position that they’ve been mostly neglecting since Rolle. Center too but at least they seem ready to do that this offseason.


Personally, I like Love. I have high hopes for him.
Armed with the knowledge...  
Brown_Hornet : 3/17/2020 9:01 pm : link
...that the Giants don't think like fans do, won't sign everyone that they would like to, won't even try to sign everyone that the all-knowing fan base would like them to, have a far better understanding of the salary/cap situation than the fans do, know what their next move is likely to be based on UFA availability and what their plans might be heading into the draft and the next season...
...I think that the Giants, specifically Dave Gettleman, is having a pretty good week.

Dave will be fine.

Go Giants!
Anak: "Personally, I like Love. I have high hopes for him."  
Torrag : 3/17/2020 9:07 pm : link
I agree. I think he has real upside as a playmaking FS. We do need more depth there. The position is paper thin right now.
Julian Love looked  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 3/17/2020 9:08 pm : link
great when he played last season.
RE: Anak:  
Anakim : 3/17/2020 9:12 pm : link
In comment 14840162 Torrag said:
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I agree. I think he has real upside as a playmaking FS. We do need more depth there. The position is paper thin right now.


For sure, but I think Love can be the starting FS this year. Competition will help push him, but I do like him.
this was posted in the floyd thread  
Torrag : 3/17/2020 9:15 pm : link
CMicks3110 : don't know if this guy is legit
Paul Crane
@PaulCrane7
Told Leonard Floyd close to deal with NYG.
ATL & MIA talking w/ LB Markus Golden
@929TheGame
Anak barring a draft pick like McKinney(unlikely)...  
Torrag : 3/17/2020 9:16 pm : link
I'd definitely give Love first crack at the starting FS job too.
RE: this was posted in the floyd thread  
The_Boss : 3/17/2020 9:20 pm : link
In comment 14840172 Torrag said:
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CMicks3110 : don't know if this guy is legit
Paul Crane
@PaulCrane7
Told Leonard Floyd close to deal with NYG.
ATL & MIA talking w/ LB Markus Golden
@929TheGame


Hoping this guy is full of shit. Floyd would get eaten alive by the OL’s in this division.
RE: this was posted in the floyd thread  
Rjanyg : 3/17/2020 9:38 pm : link
In comment 14840172 Torrag said:
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CMicks3110 : don't know if this guy is legit
Paul Crane
@PaulCrane7
Told Leonard Floyd close to deal with NYG.
ATL & MIA talking w/ LB Markus Golden
@929TheGame


I think Paul Crane is the guy who did podcasts with Dave Te Thomas. He is out of Atlanta. Seems to be plugged in.
RE: Anak barring a draft pick like McKinney(unlikely)...  
BleedBlue : 3/17/2020 9:42 pm : link
In comment 14840173 Torrag said:
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I'd definitely give Love first crack at the starting FS job too.



My guess is love gets firsr crack unless the take simmons and feel he is a safety first. If they do and he is the pick love will be third safety. Im more concerned about our edge players right now vs love
Question is who Garrett and Colombo  
Simms11 : 3/17/2020 9:47 pm : link
Would be recommending right now?! Which Oline are connected to them?
RE: Question is who Garrett and Colombo  
Jay on the Island : 3/17/2020 9:49 pm : link
In comment 14840227 Simms11 said:
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Would be recommending right now?! Which Oline are connected to them?

C Joe Looney:
RE: Question is who Garrett and Colombo  
The_Boss : 3/17/2020 9:56 pm : link
In comment 14840227 Simms11 said:
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Would be recommending right now?! Which Oline are connected to them?


Fleming. But he sucks.
RE: RE: Why is that they never seem to make a concerted effort to  
Strahan91 : 3/17/2020 9:57 pm : link
In comment 14840148 Anakim said:
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In comment 14840123 Strahan91 said:


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fill the FS spot? Such an important position that they’ve been mostly neglecting since Rolle. Center too but at least they seem ready to do that this offseason.



Personally, I like Love. I have high hopes for him.

The jury is still out but I don’t think Love is ever going to be that deep-half safety with range that they so desperately need. He was playing more at the LOS and in the box than anywhere else and played a bunch in the slot too. Small sample size at FS and there was some good and some bad but it’s still tbd if he can excel there full time and I don’t think they should be handing him that job right out of the gate in year 2 either. I’d rather have him as a third safety, jack of all trades type and hope for the best than to pin our hopes on him developing into a strong FS.
For more on Love this was what Sy said in his week 17 game review  
Strahan91 : 3/17/2020 10:02 pm : link
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Julian Love was a mixed bag as we have seen in recent weeks. He had 8 tackles, 2 TFL, and 1 PD. He also missed a tackle and was getting beat, routinely, by Greg Ward, Jr. in coverage. I am optimistic with Love when it comes to his potential to impact the team. The question is, where? He played a similar safety role to Jabrill Peppers and I wouldn’t want either of them in the deep FS-type role that Bethea was playing. I think Love could do it more than I believe in Peppers, but they may need to find a nickel role for him depending on, once again, the new scheme that is coming
"was playing more at the LOS and in the box than anywhere else"  
Torrag : 3/17/2020 10:04 pm : link
Listen you and I have gotten into it but this is about football. He absolutely got a long stretch run at FS this year. Especially the last 5 weeks or so. He played more there than any other position and he showed improvement.
Snap counts are easy to verify  
Strahan91 : 3/17/2020 10:16 pm : link
in the box (176 snaps), slot corner (129 snaps) free safety (77 snaps). I don’t pay for PFF so I don’t have the game by game breakdown but Bethea was on the field for every snap on defense Love played except for week 14 and Bethea missed just 2 snaps. Going back and looking at Sy’s game reviews he talks about Love’s role in several of them the majority of which being in Peppers’ role after he went down.

This is week 15 for example:

“ -Julian Love’s role with this team will be interesting to watch in the offseason. He finished with yet another strong game. He had 5 tackles / 2 TFL / 1 pressure / 1 pass break up. He is playing the versatile role of Jabrill Peppers with a lot of action in the box and excelling. Can he be moved back into the role of Antoine Bethea? On paper that is ideal, but I’m not sure he can produce from that spot. All of that aside, his play has been stellar.”
RE: RE: Question is who Garrett and Colombo  
Simms11 : 3/17/2020 10:47 pm : link
In comment 14840230 Jay on the Island said:
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In comment 14840227 Simms11 said:


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Would be recommending right now?! Which Oline are connected to them?


C Joe Looney:


Might be worth a look. He could start and we should still draft a Center, like we did with Richburg his Rookie season.
RE: RE:  
eric2425ny : 3/17/2020 11:08 pm : link
In comment 14840071 Klaatu said:
Quote:
In comment 14840064 Torrag said:


Quote:


We already have one of those non-finishers on the roster. His name is Leonard Williams. We've filled our quota ty.

Maybe it's the name Leonard????? Opponents are like I'm not giving up a sack to a dude named Leonard.

Pass.



I guess times really have changed.



I generally agree with a lot of your posts Torrag, but Klaatu got you good on this one lol. I’ll never forget that play, I thought he killed Montana.
eric: "but Klaatu got you good on this one lol"  
Torrag : 3/17/2020 11:37 pm : link
All it took was one good Leonard. Haha.
Why no interest in..  
prdave73 : 3/18/2020 1:26 am : link
Dante Fowler JR or Damarious Randall?? Would love either..
RE: Why no interest in..  
Saquads26 : 3/18/2020 6:44 am : link
In comment 14840359 prdave73 said:
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Dante Fowler JR or Damarious Randall?? Would love either..


Probably $
RE: Snap counts are easy to verify  
section125 : 3/18/2020 7:03 am : link
In comment 14840269 Strahan91 said:
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in the box (176 snaps), slot corner (129 snaps) free safety (77 snaps). I don’t pay for PFF so I don’t have the game by game breakdown but Bethea was on the field for every snap on defense Love played except for week 14 and Bethea missed just 2 snaps. Going back and looking at Sy’s game reviews he talks about Love’s role in several of them the majority of which being in Peppers’ role after he went down.

This is week 15 for example:

“ -Julian Love’s role with this team will be interesting to watch in the offseason. He finished with yet another strong game. He had 5 tackles / 2 TFL / 1 pressure / 1 pass break up. He is playing the versatile role of Jabrill Peppers with a lot of action in the box and excelling. Can he be moved back into the role of Antoine Bethea? On paper that is ideal, but I’m not sure he can produce from that spot. All of that aside, his play has been stellar.”


Thanks for these snippets. Did not see Sy gig him for the FS play vs DC. I still think he can play FS. He was a bit of a ball hawk at ND(as CB), so it would seem he could play FS. Perhaps it had more to do with a move to FS from SS and insufficient reps at FS. He is not afraid to tackle, in fact he is a bit too aggressive and misses a few by not breaking down soon enough, so that is a concern. He has to be significantly faster than Bethea.
Unless they sign another vet FS, I think Love should be given a serious look at FS.
RE: RE: Snap counts are easy to verify  
Dankbeerman : 3/18/2020 7:16 am : link
In comment 14840389 section125 said:
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In comment 14840269 Strahan91 said:


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in the box (176 snaps), slot corner (129 snaps) free safety (77 snaps). I don’t pay for PFF so I don’t have the game by game breakdown but Bethea was on the field for every snap on defense Love played except for week 14 and Bethea missed just 2 snaps. Going back and looking at Sy’s game reviews he talks about Love’s role in several of them the majority of which being in Peppers’ role after he went down.

This is week 15 for example:

“ -Julian Love’s role with this team will be interesting to watch in the offseason. He finished with yet another strong game. He had 5 tackles / 2 TFL / 1 pressure / 1 pass break up. He is playing the versatile role of Jabrill Peppers with a lot of action in the box and excelling. Can he be moved back into the role of Antoine Bethea? On paper that is ideal, but I’m not sure he can produce from that spot. All of that aside, his play has been stellar.”



Thanks for these snippets. Did not see Sy gig him for the FS play vs DC. I still think he can play FS. He was a bit of a ball hawk at ND(as CB), so it would seem he could play FS. Perhaps it had more to do with a move to FS from SS and insufficient reps at FS. He is not afraid to tackle, in fact he is a bit too aggressive and misses a few by not breaking down soon enough, so that is a concern. He has to be significantly faster than Bethea.
Unless they sign another vet FS, I think Love should be given a serious look at FS.


From what I have seen Love in a hybrid slot/S Rolle would be ideal. Looking more for a true deep saftey to esentially fill the nickel spot kickng Love to the slot. kind of a 3 saftey big Nickel package.

My sense might be that Ballentine could adapt to being the deep saftey. maybe allow him to break on the ball and essentially become a weapon for us back there as he has good ball skills and is good woth the ball in his hands. Not in a base set but in a passing down sub package that allows for Peppers and Love to be aggressive blitzing from the slot
RE: RE: this was posted in the floyd thread  
Brown Recluse : 3/18/2020 8:41 am : link
In comment 14840181 The_Boss said:
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CMicks3110 : don't know if this guy is legit
Paul Crane
@PaulCrane7
Told Leonard Floyd close to deal with NYG.
ATL & MIA talking w/ LB Markus Golden
@929TheGame



Hoping this guy is full of shit. Floyd would get eaten alive by the OL’s in this division.


I think the biggest knock on Floyd is probably his durability. He has been a disappointment as a pass rusher, but I would assume if the Giants sign him - they'd move him around. He's actually very good in coverage and may reduce the desire for a guy like Isaiah Simmons...which would turn their attention more towards OT.

I'm not saying Floyd is Simmons by any stretch. But they may feel he can do a lot of the same things...at least along that LB front.
Floyd  
Professor Falken : 3/18/2020 8:50 am : link
ran a 4.6 at the Combine. Simmons ran 4.38. Crazy to see what a freak Simmons is.
Russell Shepherd will not be return  
Saquads26 : 3/18/2020 9:07 am : link
Probably posted already
https://giantswire.usatoday.com/2020/03/18/russell-shepard-announces-he-will-not-return-to-new-york-giants/ - ( New Window )
daryl williams  
OliverG84 : 3/18/2020 9:59 am : link
on the radar...
RE: daryl williams  
Klaatu : 3/18/2020 10:01 am : link
In comment 14840635 OliverG84 said:
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on the radar...


Thanks, Oliver. Good to see you posting again.
RE: daryl williams  
Jon in NYC : 3/18/2020 10:06 am : link
In comment 14840635 OliverG84 said:
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on the radar...


Thanks Oliver!

I'd like that signing. Can't go into the draft too hungry at certain positions.
...  
OliverG84 : 3/18/2020 10:25 am : link
To follow up - OT, C, FS & ER (as most know on the radar) however, there is lots of competition for OT & C
RE: ...  
Anakim : 3/18/2020 10:39 am : link
In comment 14840701 OliverG84 said:
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To follow up - OT, C, FS & ER (as most know on the radar) however, there is lots of competition for OT & C


Thanks, Oliver. Aside from Williams, any other names you're hearing thrown around?
Looks  
Jon in NYC : 3/18/2020 10:48 am : link
like Clowney hasn't seen the market he was hoping to.

Wonder if the Giants swoop back in at a short term deal with a lower number. 3/54 or something
Link - ( New Window )
RE: Why no interest in..  
Toth029 : 3/18/2020 10:49 am : link
In comment 14840359 prdave73 said:
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Dante Fowler JR or Damarious Randall?? Would love either..

Fowler was shipped out of JAC for being an ass and LAR have no interest in re-signing him. I think he's an issue upstairs.
RE: Looks  
UConn4523 : 3/18/2020 10:50 am : link
In comment 14840765 Jon in NYC said:
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like Clowney hasn't seen the market he was hoping to.

Wonder if the Giants swoop back in at a short term deal with a lower number. 3/54 or something Link - ( New Window )


I think the market for a lot of these guys isn't what they are hoping for, hence the 3 year deals. No one wants a 3 year deal but if the guaranteed money isn't all that different from what you would be offered at 4 or 5 years, might as well take the shorter contract and try again next time.
RE: daryl williams  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 3/18/2020 10:51 am : link
In comment 14840635 OliverG84 said:
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on the radar...


Interesting...
...  
OliverG84 : 3/18/2020 10:52 am : link
Don't have many specific names, Looney has been mentioned, Williams as well (Kilgore, Karas, Garland for C)

Sniffing around RB/WR also but monitoring C Coleman, but those positions they might wait for longer than OT/C/ER
RE: Looks  
Saquads26 : 3/18/2020 10:52 am : link
In comment 14840765 Jon in NYC said:
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like Clowney hasn't seen the market he was hoping to.

Wonder if the Giants swoop back in at a short term deal with a lower number. 3/54 or something Link - ( New Window )


Garafolo followed right up on that: “ To be clear, he's in line to make a lot of money. But it sounds like his camp's expectations were at the top of the market, and they're not there. Not yet anyway.”
https://twitter.com/mikegarafolo/status/1240287655453220865?s=21 - ( New Window )
RE: RE: daryl williams  
UConn4523 : 3/18/2020 10:54 am : link
In comment 14840774 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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on the radar...



Interesting...


Very. Still young and could maybe another 1 year deal is something he'd be open to since offers have been looking low.
Williams is intriguing if he comes cheap  
Strahan91 : 3/18/2020 10:54 am : link
He was awful this past year but he was moved all around the line and played mostly out of position. He was a stud at RT prior to the injury so as long as you're not relying on him regaining form and you play him there where he's best suited it could be a low risk, high reward move.
I know WR isnt exactly at the top of the needs list  
Jonesin 4 A Ship : 3/18/2020 10:55 am : link
but does anyone think the Giants possibly bring in someone like Funchess cheap?
Solder + Williams + #4 OT  
UConn4523 : 3/18/2020 10:56 am : link
could be a pretty nice way to start preseason all things considered.
Floyd, Looney and Williams would be solid additions  
Rjanyg : 3/18/2020 11:18 am : link
I hope we hear something today.
RE: daryl williams  
Allen in CNJ : 3/18/2020 11:19 am : link
In comment 14840635 OliverG84 said:
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on the radar...


I think this would be fantastic. THanks for posting man.
Thank you Oliver - great info  
Eric on Li : 3/18/2020 11:23 am : link
that all makes a lot of sense. With Bethea cut they are back around $20m, if they save some money on Solder maybe that gets them to $25m. Plus Pulley/Rosas are another $6m that can be easily replaced if nec.

1 year $3-5m deals for Williams, Floyd, Karras would be an ideal use of the remaining bigger ticket adds. All 3 have starting experience. Hopefully we can snag at least 2 of them.

FS and WR are interesting lower priority spots to add bodies. I still like Coleman and he's the exact type of field stretcher we need. He could be next year's Breshad Perriman (who is also out there but likely a little too much $).

Not sure what's out there that fits at FS. Logan Ryan would be amazing but I'd imagine he will get a good $ deal somewhere.
Giants may “circle back” to Clowney  
Saquads26 : 3/18/2020 11:25 am : link
“ The Giants and Colts have been reported to be interested, but both already added pass rushers. Either could circle back, and there are several other teams who could use a pocket-pusher like Clowney, but his market could be smaller due to questions about health.”
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001106790/article/jadeveon-clowney-hasnt-found-market-he-expected - ( New Window )
RE: ...  
Klaatu : 3/18/2020 11:31 am : link
In comment 14840776 OliverG84 said:
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Don't have many specific names, Looney has been mentioned, Williams as well (Kilgore, Karas, Garland for C)

Sniffing around RB/WR also but monitoring C Coleman, but those positions they might wait for longer than OT/C/ER


Makes sense. Nobody's rushing out to sign Corey Coleman, not with about 100 other UFA WR's available, not to mention how many talented WR's there will be in this year's draft class.

Not a great UFA RB market...maybe a couple of gems. Seems like a lot of age, injury worries, underachievers.
I think there's a valid discussion to be had on someone like Clowney  
Eric on Li : 3/18/2020 11:35 am : link
or Logan Ryan, or Breshad Perriman, or Chris Harris, or Ha Ha clinton dix.

Is a bigger (relative) 1 year deal worth it for a potential plus starter or several depth additions like Karras/Wiliams/Floyd/etc.

I'd probably lean towards the latter. Clowney's upside is obviously worthwhile however if he wants to come here to raise his value on a 1 year deal (no where better and he'd be motivated).

And Ha Ha Clinton Dix would slot in as an immediate starter, if he's got the Saban seal of approval, that could be an impact player. He was on GB with Graham too. He's got 16 ints in 6 years.

Deon Bush is a younger potential lower cost alternative to Dix, he's a highly athletic safety in the same mold who has some starts under his belt in Chicago.
...  
ryanmkeane : 3/18/2020 11:40 am : link
Daryl Williams seems to be on the market every year. Is that a good thing? Is he any better than Remmers?
"Daryl Williams seems to be on the market every year."  
Torrag : 3/18/2020 11:59 am : link
I don't get the infatuation with this guy on BBI. It's been years since he played decent football. Yeah he survived last season without blowing up his knee again. He stank. He was terrible. PFF, who has limited uses for me, but straight stats don't lie have him surrendering 12 Sacks...as an OG.

Let's repeat that. He gave up 12 sacks playing OG. That was the worst in the NFL. His days playing on the edge are done...or they should be unless someone loses their mind.
Everyone wants FA's like Golden last year, that's what Williams is  
Eric on Li : 3/18/2020 12:15 pm : link
he is 27 years old and 2 years ago he was an all pro.

if the last 2 years didn't go poorly he wouldn't be readily available for a cheap 1 year contract.

Markus Golden was the exact same way and is proof that sometimes those types of low risk 1 year gambles can pay off. The year before we signed Golden he had a poor season with a new scheme/coaching staff (2.5 sacks). The year before that he missed the entire season with a major injury.

Daryl Williams fits that exact same profile so if you want to make more moves like Markus Golden those are the types of players you are going to be signing.
Giants added pass rushers?  
Saquon'sQuadz : 3/18/2020 12:21 pm : link
Where? Fackrell is the only one they signed isnt he?
RE:  
Amtoft : 3/18/2020 12:25 pm : link
In comment 14840913 Torrag said:
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I don't get the infatuation with this guy on BBI. It's been years since he played decent football. Yeah he survived last season without blowing up his knee again. He stank. He was terrible. PFF, who has limited uses for me, but straight stats don't lie have him surrendering 12 Sacks...as an OG.

Let's repeat that. He gave up 12 sacks playing OG. That was the worst in the NFL. His days playing on the edge are done...or they should be unless someone loses their mind.


He didn't surrender 12 sacks as an OG... He played all over the line for some strange reason. He is a RT
But but, I read here that Clowney at $22-23M per  
JonC : 3/18/2020 12:30 pm : link
was an absolute steal.

Nope. The questions remain out there regarding his health, work ethic, and the lack of sack production. Buyer beware.
"He didn't surrender 12 sacks as an OG"  
Torrag : 3/18/2020 12:32 pm : link
He played mostly at OG and I don't give a fuck where he gave up 12 sacks. It's 12 fucking sacks. Gheesh. He sucks and has sucked for years.
"Daryl Williams fits that exact same profile..as Golden"  
Torrag : 3/18/2020 12:37 pm : link
Awful comparison. Giant men don't always respond to leg injuries like others. Mobility is the core skill they require. Williams was tried outside last year. It was a disaster. He hasn't been a decent player for a long, long time now. It's over for him at tackle.

I want no part of him.
has sucked for years...not quite  
Eric on Li : 3/18/2020 12:39 pm : link
2017 - 16 starts, 2nd team all pro at RT
2018 - 1 game played, major knee injury
2019 - 12 starts split between G/T

He is coming off 1 bad season, which also happened to be his first year post injury and split between different positions. It happens. As I mentioned above it is the exact same profile as Markus Golden.
He was awful in 2018 and 2019...that's years  
Torrag : 3/18/2020 12:45 pm : link
He gave up 12 sacks in 12 starts last season. That's not bad...it's catastrophic. they couldn't find a place to hide his suck last season. It was a train wreck.

Hard pass.
how was he "awful" in 2018 when he only played 1 game?  
Eric on Li : 3/18/2020 12:46 pm : link
he missed that entire season. That's an injury, not being "awful".
12 fucking Sacks  
Torrag : 3/18/2020 12:48 pm : link
12. I've neber heard of that before. I don't think I've heard of 8 or 10. 12???? in 12 starts.

Mind boggling level of suck.
RE:  
Amtoft : 3/18/2020 12:52 pm : link
In comment 14840992 Torrag said:
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He played mostly at OG and I don't give a fuck where he gave up 12 sacks. It's 12 fucking sacks. Gheesh. He sucks and has sucked for years.


Yeah how many of those sacks came playing LT or LG or RG... He gave up zero sacks playing RT his all pro position.
RE: 12 fucking Sacks  
Eric on Li : 3/18/2020 12:59 pm : link
In comment 14841014 Torrag said:
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12. I've neber heard of that before. I don't think I've heard of 8 or 10. 12???? in 12 starts.

Mind boggling level of suck.


Kyle Allen got sacked 46 times in 13 games.
Cam Newton got sacked 6 times in 2 games.
Will Grier got sacked 6 times in 2 games.

That's 58 sacks for Panthers QB's last year. The average number of sacks if divided evenly to all their OL would be 11 per position.

Their entire OL looks like it was a mind boggling level of suck.
RE: ...  
Rjanyg : 3/18/2020 1:09 pm : link
In comment 14840701 OliverG84 said:
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To follow up - OT, C, FS & ER (as most know on the radar) however, there is lots of competition for OT & C


Oliver,

Were we after Karras at all?

Thanks for the info.
Daryl Williams is a RT and the primary issue  
George from PA : 3/18/2020 1:11 pm : link
Is his health....which still might be a problem....but if he has fully recovered.....it takes more time for big men to fully recover and get back to form.

But if he has....then the Giants should go after....at the right price
D Williams..."at the right price"  
Torrag : 3/18/2020 1:51 pm : link
I currently have $23 bucks cash on me. Sounds about right for Williams.
Graziano thinks a Ngakoue trade  
Strahan91 : 3/18/2020 1:54 pm : link
is like to come. Prob not likely for the Giants but given how much he's been discussed here figured this was the place to post it.
Darryl Williams would be a good move  
Rudy5757 : 3/18/2020 2:09 pm : link
Low risk High reward type. If he again sucks you cut him. It doesnt stop us from taking an OT in the 1st round. Hopefully he is back to 100% and you get a solid season from him. At this point there isnt much out there so its a good gamble.

This is different than a Remmers. Remmers was always a stopgap and never played at a high level. his best days were average.
I would rather fix the RT position in the draft.  
Rick in Dallas : 3/18/2020 2:22 pm : link
Not through FA which has been a miserable failure for DG over the past 2 years.
Williams coming back from surgery last year was plain awful. Why take the risk. SB and DJ need a good OL.Do it through the draft.
RE: D Williams...  
Amtoft : 3/18/2020 2:24 pm : link
In comment 14841144 Torrag said:
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I currently have $23 bucks cash on me. Sounds about right for Williams.


So you do want him!
Wonder  
Jon in NYC : 3/18/2020 2:26 pm : link
if they'd trade Leonard Williams for Ngakue
Karras...  
OliverG84 : 3/18/2020 2:30 pm : link
all I was told is we checked in on him, have nothing further though, wish I did.
Oliver  
Philu916 : 3/18/2020 2:32 pm : link
Do you know anything in regard to if NYG are close to signing anybody else soon?
per Mike G  
JonC : 3/18/2020 2:36 pm : link
Where did all the cap space go? Frontloaded contracts.



Not at the moment...  
OliverG84 : 3/18/2020 2:39 pm : link
Last I heard they were talking to Solder & checking out the market for Centers.

RT/C is best bet to get signed next.

Have heard they are 'still-in' on Clowney but ALOT has to happen namely, clear some space, possibly let L Williams walk & price would have to go down but nothing further.
RE: 12 fucking Sacks  
LBH15 : 3/18/2020 2:42 pm : link
In comment 14841014 Torrag said:
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12. I've neber heard of that before. I don't think I've heard of 8 or 10. 12???? in 12 starts.

Mind boggling level of suck.


Someone on our Oline hasn't reached this level?...seems close.
RE: Graziano thinks a Ngakoue trade  
Diver_Down : 3/18/2020 2:46 pm : link
In comment 14841151 Strahan91 said:
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is like to come. Prob not likely for the Giants but given how much he's been discussed here figured this was the place to post it.


He posted an hourglass on his twitter, and the twitter sleuths have images that they are deciphering that they think is at the Seattle Airport.
RE: Not at the moment...  
Brown Recluse : 3/18/2020 2:52 pm : link
In comment 14841228 OliverG84 said:
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Last I heard they were talking to Solder & checking out the market for Centers.

RT/C is best bet to get signed next.

Have heard they are 'still-in' on Clowney but ALOT has to happen namely, clear some space, possibly let L Williams walk & price would have to go down but nothing further.


They're considering letting Williams walk?
Not at the moment...  
OliverG84 : 3/18/2020 2:55 pm : link
& personally highly doubt it happens, but would have to in order to get Clowney in.

Will be away for a couple hours will check in later, should hear/see some rumblings after year league starts possibly a signing even tonight
RE: Not at the moment...  
Rjanyg : 3/18/2020 3:00 pm : link
In comment 14841244 OliverG84 said:
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& personally highly doubt it happens, but would have to in order to get Clowney in.

Will be away for a couple hours will check in later, should hear/see some rumblings after year league starts possibly a signing even tonight


Thanks Oliver!
Looks like...  
2ndroundKO : 3/18/2020 3:02 pm : link
Leonard Floyd is signing with the Rams. One year, $10m -- worth up to $13m.
RE: Looks like...  
Diver_Down : 3/18/2020 3:04 pm : link
In comment 14841257 2ndroundKO said:
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Leonard Floyd is signing with the Rams. One year, $10m -- worth up to $13m.


Good. Didn't want that lanky softie in Blue.
Centers  
NYG22 : 3/18/2020 3:07 pm : link
Is Looney the only viable FA C left?

If not, and we hope/pray the starting C isn't a guy that suited up for NYG last year, we're talking draft.

Ruiz/Cushenberry - both seem to be a borderline elite C prospects

Biadasz - was previously highly regarded but a shoulder injury and some athletic concerns seemingly has dropped his projection

Hennessy - looks solid but if there is a question, its in the power department

Nick Harris - this is a guy that impressed me perhaps more than the prior two guys. His downside is lack of length. But hes strong, tough and quick and really commands the position in a way that NYG hasn't seen since O'Hara.
"Is Looney the only viable FA C left?"  
Torrag : 3/18/2020 3:11 pm : link
Looney isn't a 'viable' starting OC. Unless you consider sucking viable.

You're right about Ruiz/Cushenberry.

Considering the lousy OL options in free agency right now our Draft should be :

#4 Wills...or other OT if we trade down

#36 Ruiz/Cushenberry
RE: Not at the moment...  
Philu916 : 3/18/2020 3:16 pm : link
In comment 14841244 OliverG84 said:
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& personally highly doubt it happens, but would have to in order to get Clowney in.

Will be away for a couple hours will check in later, should hear/see some rumblings after year league starts possibly a signing even tonight


How can they let him walk? Does that mean a 1st is still attached? Thought since he was tagged it automatically means if a team signs Williams, a 1 comes back? I’m now confused.
I’ve never been so disappointed  
MtDizzle : 3/18/2020 3:22 pm : link
in an offseason before. With the amount of cap out there I was expecting some game changers. We added 3 decent at best defenders and retained a bunch of guys already on the roster of one of the worst giants teams I’ve ever seen. Very disappointed fan right now. I see no signs of things getting better any time soon.
RE: I’ve never been so disappointed  
Saquon'sQuadz : 3/18/2020 3:25 pm : link
In comment 14841292 MtDizzle said:
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in an offseason before. With the amount of cap out there I was expecting some game changers. We added 3 decent at best defenders and retained a bunch of guys already on the roster of one of the worst giants teams I’ve ever seen. Very disappointed fan right now. I see no signs of things getting better any time soon.


It doesnt' really make sense to spend big money on these names but the lack of them caring about pass rushers has caught up to them.
Game changers...  
Brown_Hornet : 3/18/2020 3:26 pm : link
...like who?

RE: RE: Not at the moment...  
Gatorade Dunk : 3/18/2020 3:27 pm : link
In comment 14841286 Philu916 said:
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In comment 14841244 OliverG84 said:


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& personally highly doubt it happens, but would have to in order to get Clowney in.

Will be away for a couple hours will check in later, should hear/see some rumblings after year league starts possibly a signing even tonight



How can they let him walk? Does that mean a 1st is still attached? Thought since he was tagged it automatically means if a team signs Williams, a 1 comes back? I’m now confused.

They can simply rescind the tag if LW hasn't signed it yet.
RE: Game changers...  
Saquon'sQuadz : 3/18/2020 3:27 pm : link
In comment 14841300 Brown_Hornet said:
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...like who?


yeah there's no game changers, but they should have picked Littleton over Martinez easily (rumor was they didn't even pursue him), Bradberry is a good signing, they constantly every year ignore the pass rush.
RE: I’ve never been so disappointed  
Mdgiantsfan : 3/18/2020 3:33 pm : link
In comment 14841292 MtDizzle said:
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in an offseason before. With the amount of cap out there I was expecting some game changers. We added 3 decent at best defenders and retained a bunch of guys already on the roster of one of the worst giants teams I’ve ever seen. Very disappointed fan right now. I see no signs of things getting better any time soon.


This is spot on! All those moves to create cap space and we end up with no game changers and still a good amount of holes to fill. And limited cap space remaining.
RE: I’ve never been so disappointed  
KDavies : 3/18/2020 3:34 pm : link
In comment 14841292 MtDizzle said:
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in an offseason before. With the amount of cap out there I was expecting some game changers. We added 3 decent at best defenders and retained a bunch of guys already on the roster of one of the worst giants teams I’ve ever seen. Very disappointed fan right now. I see no signs of things getting better any time soon.


Who? Who are these "game-changers" out there in FA?
Seeing the same things on this site  
Giants in 07 : 3/18/2020 3:39 pm : link
that I'm seeing on twitter and on facebook from friends

People just have no idea what they want but one thing is for certain, the Giants can't do anything right.

I hate New Yorkers
RE: Seeing the same things on this site  
Saquon'sQuadz : 3/18/2020 3:41 pm : link
In comment 14841326 Giants in 07 said:
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that I'm seeing on twitter and on facebook from friends

People just have no idea what they want but one thing is for certain, the Giants can't do anything right.

I hate New Yorkers


The Giants have earned any trust in years for people to believe they did anything right.. show it on the field with results.
RE: RE: I’ve never been so disappointed  
DelZotto : 3/18/2020 3:41 pm : link
In comment 14841318 Mdgiantsfan said:
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In comment 14841292 MtDizzle said:


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in an offseason before. With the amount of cap out there I was expecting some game changers. We added 3 decent at best defenders and retained a bunch of guys already on the roster of one of the worst giants teams I’ve ever seen. Very disappointed fan right now. I see no signs of things getting better any time soon.



This is spot on! All those moves to create cap space and we end up with no game changers and still a good amount of holes to fill. And limited cap space remaining.


Obviously you weren't around from 65 to 80
RE: Seeing the same things on this site  
Dave in Hoboken : 3/18/2020 3:42 pm : link
In comment 14841326 Giants in 07 said:
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that I'm seeing on twitter and on facebook from friends

People just have no idea what they want but one thing is for certain, the Giants can't do anything right.

I hate New Yorkers


We want the two biggest weaknesses of the team to be fixed. OL and pass-rush. Neither of those two aspects have even been addressed yet nevermind fixed. Pretty simple.
Agreed  
Rondon : 3/18/2020 3:42 pm : link
This GM is inept. 2 Glaring needs for forever it seems. O line and Pass Rushers. Never addressed once again. I know its early but could of picked up a couple guys to address this. Instead we get another D-back and 2 linebackers. Could of got a starting linebacker with our first pick. We already spent a bunch of our cap. Seems like deja vu all over again. I think Mara is just as clueless to keep him around. Looks like another long season
RE: RE: Seeing the same things on this site  
Saquon'sQuadz : 3/18/2020 3:43 pm : link
In comment 14841329 Saquon'sQuadz said:
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that I'm seeing on twitter and on facebook from friends

People just have no idea what they want but one thing is for certain, the Giants can't do anything right.

I hate New Yorkers



The Giants havent earned any trust in years for people to believe they did anything right.. show it on the field with results.
I feel like all this talk about building from the inside out  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/18/2020 3:43 pm : link
Is BS.

Yet again they just cant get anything done at OL or pass rush.
RE: Agreed  
Saquon'sQuadz : 3/18/2020 3:43 pm : link
In comment 14841333 Rondon said:
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This GM is inept. 2 Glaring needs for forever it seems. O line and Pass Rushers. Never addressed once again. I know its early but could of picked up a couple guys to address this. Instead we get another D-back and 2 linebackers. Could of got a starting linebacker with our first pick. We already spent a bunch of our cap. Seems like deja vu all over again. I think Mara is just as clueless to keep him around. Looks like another long season


its not just Gettleman, Reese ignored both for years too or missed big time.
Didn't see many playmakers available  
JonC : 3/18/2020 3:44 pm : link
and certainly fewer who were worth the UFA cost. Fans here tend to overrate UFA, and we're in no position to spend stupidly. And it's free agency, they can sign wherever they want and many people have no interest in living up here.

Accurate perspective helps.
weather  
bc4life : 3/18/2020 3:45 pm : link
taxes
RE: Didn't see many playmakers available  
Saquads26 : 3/18/2020 3:45 pm : link
In comment 14841339 JonC said:
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and certainly fewer who were worth the UFA cost. Fans here tend to overrate UFA, and we're in no position to spend stupidly. And it's free agency, they can sign wherever they want and many people have no interest in living up here.

Accurate perspective helps.


So much this 👏👆
Philly has the same problems of weather, taxes,  
Dave in Hoboken : 3/18/2020 3:47 pm : link
and being a northeast team. They don't seem to have these 'problems.' Seems more like excuses than anything else.
RE: Philly has the same problems of weather, taxes,  
Saquon'sQuadz : 3/18/2020 3:48 pm : link
In comment 14841345 Dave in Hoboken said:
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and being a northeast team. They don't seem to have these 'problems.' Seems more like excuses than anything else.


No one wants to lose continuously, and thats all the Giants have been doing for years. ITs like the Knicks, you have trouble attracting talent.
RE: RE: RE: I’ve never been so disappointed  
Mdgiantsfan : 3/18/2020 3:50 pm : link
This is spot on! All those moves to create cap space and we end up with no game changers and still a good amount of holes to fill. And limited cap space remaining.



Obviously you weren't around from 65 to 80 [/quote]

Lol...right your are😀. My fandom with Big Blue started around ‘82. I
Philly has drafted better  
bc4life : 3/18/2020 3:50 pm : link
lot of their better players started in Philly
RE: Agreed  
Mike in NY : 3/18/2020 3:52 pm : link
In comment 14841333 Rondon said:
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This GM is inept. 2 Glaring needs for forever it seems. O line and Pass Rushers. Never addressed once again. I know its early but could of picked up a couple guys to address this. Instead we get another D-back and 2 linebackers. Could of got a starting linebacker with our first pick. We already spent a bunch of our cap. Seems like deja vu all over again. I think Mara is just as clueless to keep him around. Looks like another long season


Gettleman has many faults, but what surefire improvement at OL or Pass Rusher was available that we passed on in Free Agency? Let's also not act like CB and LB weren't needs. Do you really want to go into the season with one of Ballentine, oft-injured Beal, and Grant Haley as your #2 CB and the others as your depth? LB we had Mayo, who is a depth LB not a starter in an ideal world, and Ryan Connelly who nobody knows how he will look coming back from a serious injury.
...  
BleedBlue : 3/18/2020 3:54 pm : link
the giants actually played this smart.

most of you clown fans would have signed clowney to huge money on the first day and would have given conklin the keys to the castle.

meanwhile in a few years when you cant afford anyone or to extend your QB and RB and you have 25+ a year guy in clowney playing in 10 games a year....then what?


the giants have the need and they know its a need but shopping hungry is DANGEROUS. there isnt much out in the group to say we should have done this or that. the ONLY time ive agreed is that littelton could of maybe been had for 2 mill more per year....that i WOULD have done, but ill leave it up to graham to decide to who fits his scheme best....

im excited for the draft and expect OL early and often. a slight trade back to get some exttra early picks would be great
RE: RE: Agreed  
Saquon'sQuadz : 3/18/2020 3:54 pm : link
In comment 14841357 Mike in NY said:
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In comment 14841333 Rondon said:


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This GM is inept. 2 Glaring needs for forever it seems. O line and Pass Rushers. Never addressed once again. I know its early but could of picked up a couple guys to address this. Instead we get another D-back and 2 linebackers. Could of got a starting linebacker with our first pick. We already spent a bunch of our cap. Seems like deja vu all over again. I think Mara is just as clueless to keep him around. Looks like another long season



Gettleman has many faults, but what surefire improvement at OL or Pass Rusher was available that we passed on in Free Agency? Let's also not act like CB and LB weren't needs. Do you really want to go into the season with one of Ballentine, oft-injured Beal, and Grant Haley as your #2 CB and the others as your depth? LB we had Mayo, who is a depth LB not a starter in an ideal world, and Ryan Connelly who nobody knows how he will look coming back from a serious injury.


its about who he went after tho. He went for another guy good against the run but not against the pass. Littleton made much more sense to go after than Martinez did.
RE: Agreed  
Rjanyg : 3/18/2020 3:54 pm : link
In comment 14841333 Rondon said:
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This GM is inept. 2 Glaring needs for forever it seems. O line and Pass Rushers. Never addressed once again. I know its early but could of picked up a couple guys to address this. Instead we get another D-back and 2 linebackers. Could of got a starting linebacker with our first pick. We already spent a bunch of our cap. Seems like deja vu all over again. I think Mara is just as clueless to keep him around. Looks like another long season


One of those LB is an OLB who is a pass rusher. Pay attention.
Gettleman has drafted pretty well  
bc4life : 3/18/2020 3:54 pm : link
FAs - hits and misses and some big misses
RE: Philly has drafted better  
Dave in Hoboken : 3/18/2020 3:55 pm : link
In comment 14841354 bc4life said:
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lot of their better players started in Philly


No argument there. But our needs can be addressed, and they haven't up to this point. Now, I know they will be addressed in the draft. But they'll be rookies and some might not be ready to contribute right off the bat. Besides, as we all know, the best teams are a mix of good, proven vets and rookies. We might get our hands on some good rookies, but alot of our vets just aren't good enough. In 2005 we had guys like Plax, Pierce, and McKenzie. Sorry but Martinez, Golden, and the like don't come close to those guys.
RE: ...  
Dave in Hoboken : 3/18/2020 3:57 pm : link
In comment 14841361 BleedBlue said:
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the giants actually played this smart.

most of you clown fans would have signed clowney to huge money on the first day and would have given conklin the keys to the castle.

meanwhile in a few years when you cant afford anyone or to extend your QB and RB and you have 25+ a year guy in clowney playing in 10 games a year....then what?


the giants have the need and they know its a need but shopping hungry is DANGEROUS. there isnt much out in the group to say we should have done this or that. the ONLY time ive agreed is that littelton could of maybe been had for 2 mill more per year....that i WOULD have done, but ill leave it up to graham to decide to who fits his scheme best....

im excited for the draft and expect OL early and often. a slight trade back to get some exttra early picks would be great


You said the same shit last year and the year before, and we won a combined 9 games in those two seasons.

I'd be careful who I call a 'clown fan,' tbh.
RE: RE: RE: Agreed  
Mike in NY : 3/18/2020 3:57 pm : link
In comment 14841362 Saquon'sQuadz said:
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In comment 14841357 Mike in NY said:


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In comment 14841333 Rondon said:


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This GM is inept. 2 Glaring needs for forever it seems. O line and Pass Rushers. Never addressed once again. I know its early but could of picked up a couple guys to address this. Instead we get another D-back and 2 linebackers. Could of got a starting linebacker with our first pick. We already spent a bunch of our cap. Seems like deja vu all over again. I think Mara is just as clueless to keep him around. Looks like another long season



Gettleman has many faults, but what surefire improvement at OL or Pass Rusher was available that we passed on in Free Agency? Let's also not act like CB and LB weren't needs. Do you really want to go into the season with one of Ballentine, oft-injured Beal, and Grant Haley as your #2 CB and the others as your depth? LB we had Mayo, who is a depth LB not a starter in an ideal world, and Ryan Connelly who nobody knows how he will look coming back from a serious injury.



its about who he went after tho. He went for another guy good against the run but not against the pass. Littleton made much more sense to go after than Martinez did.


I agree I would rather have targeted Littleton. However, we don't know what happens behind the scenes. If Patrick Graham said that Martinez is the LB he needs to run his Defense and that he can get him back to the form he showed in 2017 and 2018 should the GM just ignore that? How many times under Jim Fassel did we have Ernie Accorsi selecting players who could not possibly fit the schemes we were running?
RE: RE: RE: Agreed  
Mike in NY : 3/18/2020 3:57 pm : link
In comment 14841362 Saquon'sQuadz said:
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In comment 14841357 Mike in NY said:


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In comment 14841333 Rondon said:


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This GM is inept. 2 Glaring needs for forever it seems. O line and Pass Rushers. Never addressed once again. I know its early but could of picked up a couple guys to address this. Instead we get another D-back and 2 linebackers. Could of got a starting linebacker with our first pick. We already spent a bunch of our cap. Seems like deja vu all over again. I think Mara is just as clueless to keep him around. Looks like another long season



Gettleman has many faults, but what surefire improvement at OL or Pass Rusher was available that we passed on in Free Agency? Let's also not act like CB and LB weren't needs. Do you really want to go into the season with one of Ballentine, oft-injured Beal, and Grant Haley as your #2 CB and the others as your depth? LB we had Mayo, who is a depth LB not a starter in an ideal world, and Ryan Connelly who nobody knows how he will look coming back from a serious injury.



its about who he went after tho. He went for another guy good against the run but not against the pass. Littleton made much more sense to go after than Martinez did.


I agree I would rather have targeted Littleton. However, we don't know what happens behind the scenes. If Patrick Graham said that Martinez is the LB he needs to run his Defense and that he can get him back to the form he showed in 2017 and 2018 should the GM just ignore that? How many times under Jim Fassel did we have Ernie Accorsi selecting players who could not possibly fit the schemes we were running?
A lot has to happen before people puff out their chests  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/18/2020 4:02 pm : link
And assume the Giants did the smart thing. You dont go 9-27 with a fired coach by doing a collection of smart things.
The Giants are in a multi-year re-build  
M.S. : 3/18/2020 4:02 pm : link

And with a new Head Coach and brand new coaching staff, they are in Year One of that re-build.

Sorry to those who thought otherwise.

They are going to build this team primarily through the Draft (which includes the past two Drafts), and allow all the young players to grow up together on the field and in the locker room. That also includes 26-year old James Bradberry (and 25-year old Leonard Williams).

Once a critical mass occurs, then the Giants will probably purchase a very expensive free agent or two in the hope that they represent the final piece for a serious playoff run.

But that is not what the 2020 Free Agency Season is all about.

Not at all.

I get the frustration - this is new coaching staff, Volume 3  
bc4life : 3/18/2020 4:02 pm : link
I think Golden is underrated. look at his numbers and film before the injury and his film and numbers this past year. he's that tier just below those elite pass rushers, IMO. I used to think he was just and effort, hustle type player but he's better than that.

Martinez - I think one of the biggest issues with the Giants the past few years has been the confusion - two years into Bettcher's reign and they were still a mess. I'm think Martinez can handle the job. and he's a solid player. you have a lot of B-B+ football players you can have a pretty good defense.

biggest unknowns this year - what can new staff get out of Carter, XMan and Connelly.

does anyone actually think "winning" free agency matters?  
Eric on Li : 3/18/2020 4:04 pm : link
seriously when is the last time a team won free agency with big signings that also created a winning team once games began? The 2016 Giants?

I'm not saying FA is unimportant or should be avoided altogether - just that rarely are the teams who make the biggest splash rewarded with the best results. Free agency is a way to supplement a roster and fill holes temporarily, not build a winner. Isn't that pretty universally accepted?

So far they've been prudent spending $ which is more than half of the battle. And secondarily they've added players the coaches have experience with - so the success of this FA will be heavily weighted towards how good or bad those coaches are (particularly Graham since he's coached 2 of the 3 defensive players signed).
left out  
bc4life : 3/18/2020 4:04 pm : link
"IF" you have a lot of B to B+ football players
RE: Philly has the same problems of weather, taxes,  
JonC : 3/18/2020 4:05 pm : link
In comment 14841345 Dave in Hoboken said:
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and being a northeast team. They don't seem to have these 'problems.' Seems more like excuses than anything else.


Philly drafts well, and they know when to get in and get out. That simple.
RE: I get the frustration - this is new coaching staff, Volume 3  
Dave in Hoboken : 3/18/2020 4:07 pm : link
In comment 14841390 bc4life said:
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I think Golden is underrated. look at his numbers and film before the injury and his film and numbers this past year. he's that tier just below those elite pass rushers, IMO. I used to think he was just and effort, hustle type player but he's better than that.

Martinez - I think one of the biggest issues with the Giants the past few years has been the confusion - two years into Bettcher's reign and they were still a mess. I'm think Martinez can handle the job. and he's a solid player. you have a lot of B-B+ football players you can have a pretty good defense.

biggest unknowns this year - what can new staff get out of Carter, XMan and Connelly.


Martinez can't cover and our defense has a track record recently of getting destroyed by TE's. The last thing we needed was another TE who can't cover.

This is what we're talking about. DG repeats signings. He wants to stock up on DT but not address LB who can cover a TE, or pass-rush. And he still hasn't. Year after year it's the same offseason, with awful results in-season.
What makes anyone think the Giants personnel department  
TMS : 3/18/2020 4:08 pm : link
can choose a decent OT in the draft. I am not convinced they can. Why are we wasting premium 1st round picks on this position over and over again. It is a tough position to evaluate especially for the Giants. Stop wasting these picks already. The fans always think they have the answer but they never do. Sick of it myself. Who was the last decent LT drafted by the Giants Jumbo Elliott ?
JonC: "Accurate perspective helps."  
Torrag : 3/18/2020 4:08 pm : link
Intelligent measured assessment has nothing to do with BBI during Free Agency week. LOL.
Philly drafted Lane Johnson in Round 1  
bc4life : 3/18/2020 4:08 pm : link
We drafted Pugh and Flowers in Round 1, both not signed after rookie contracts, both now playing guard
RE: JonC:  
Dave in Hoboken : 3/18/2020 4:09 pm : link
In comment 14841402 Torrag said:
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Intelligent measured assessment has nothing to do with BBI during Free Agency week. LOL.


If people had 'accurate perspective' here, they wouldn't have praised the past several offseasons when they've gotten the same result in season every season of those supposedly good off-seasons. That ship sailed ions ago.
RE: RE: I get the frustration - this is new coaching staff, Volume 3  
Giants in 07 : 3/18/2020 4:10 pm : link
In comment 14841399 Dave in Hoboken said:
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In comment 14841390 bc4life said:


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I think Golden is underrated. look at his numbers and film before the injury and his film and numbers this past year. he's that tier just below those elite pass rushers, IMO. I used to think he was just and effort, hustle type player but he's better than that.

Martinez - I think one of the biggest issues with the Giants the past few years has been the confusion - two years into Bettcher's reign and they were still a mess. I'm think Martinez can handle the job. and he's a solid player. you have a lot of B-B+ football players you can have a pretty good defense.

biggest unknowns this year - what can new staff get out of Carter, XMan and Connelly.




Martinez can't cover and our defense has a track record recently of getting destroyed by TE's. The last thing we needed was another TE who can't cover.

This is what we're talking about. DG repeats signings. He wants to stock up on DT but not address LB who can cover a TE, or pass-rush. And he still hasn't. Year after year it's the same offseason, with awful results in-season.


He has addressed it, you just don't like the direction they chose to go in

Every team has the same problem with coverage linebackers. They aren't a dime a dozen. They are hard to find. Every team has trouble with protection on the O-Line. More and more every year actually. If it was so easy to find these guys, they wouldn't be in such demand when they became available

There are only so many players to go around. And when to have 10-15 teams with enough cap space to do whatever they want, prices are going to be expensive. And it's not smart for a team with so many holes to get into a bidding war for one of them.
RE: What makes anyone think the Giants personnel department  
Rjanyg : 3/18/2020 4:11 pm : link
In comment 14841401 TMS said:
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can choose a decent OT in the draft. I am not convinced they can. Why are we wasting premium 1st round picks on this position over and over again. It is a tough position to evaluate especially for the Giants. Stop wasting these picks already. The fans always think they have the answer but they never do. Sick of it myself. Who was the last decent LT drafted by the Giants Jumbo Elliott ?


What is ironic is, BBI would kill for a Will Beatty right now.
RE: RE: RE: I get the frustration - this is new coaching staff, Volume 3  
Dave in Hoboken : 3/18/2020 4:11 pm : link
In comment 14841408 Giants in 07 said:
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I think Golden is underrated. look at his numbers and film before the injury and his film and numbers this past year. he's that tier just below those elite pass rushers, IMO. I used to think he was just and effort, hustle type player but he's better than that.

Martinez - I think one of the biggest issues with the Giants the past few years has been the confusion - two years into Bettcher's reign and they were still a mess. I'm think Martinez can handle the job. and he's a solid player. you have a lot of B-B+ football players you can have a pretty good defense.

biggest unknowns this year - what can new staff get out of Carter, XMan and Connelly.




Martinez can't cover and our defense has a track record recently of getting destroyed by TE's. The last thing we needed was another TE who can't cover.

This is what we're talking about. DG repeats signings. He wants to stock up on DT but not address LB who can cover a TE, or pass-rush. And he still hasn't. Year after year it's the same offseason, with awful results in-season.



He has addressed it, you just don't like the direction they chose to go in

Every team has the same problem with coverage linebackers. They aren't a dime a dozen. They are hard to find. Every team has trouble with protection on the O-Line. More and more every year actually. If it was so easy to find these guys, they wouldn't be in such demand when they became available

There are only so many players to go around. And when to have 10-15 teams with enough cap space to do whatever they want, prices are going to be expensive. And it's not smart for a team with so many holes to get into a bidding war for one of them.


Where have they addressed OL and pass-rush?
DG has had soem misses  
bc4life : 3/18/2020 4:12 pm : link
but Connelly had shown some potential re: pass rush. And Golden had 12 sacks.

Carter has taken longer, and I think some of it had to do with Bettcher.

Speaking of same - The sports article I'm waiting to be written is "What happened to Bettcher - the guy who churned out all those solid Cards' defenses"?
RE: ...  
WillVAB : 3/18/2020 4:12 pm : link
In comment 14841361 BleedBlue said:
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the giants actually played this smart.

most of you clown fans would have signed clowney to huge money on the first day and would have given conklin the keys to the castle.

meanwhile in a few years when you cant afford anyone or to extend your QB and RB and you have 25+ a year guy in clowney playing in 10 games a year....then what?


the giants have the need and they know its a need but shopping hungry is DANGEROUS. there isnt much out in the group to say we should have done this or that. the ONLY time ive agreed is that littelton could of maybe been had for 2 mill more per year....that i WOULD have done, but ill leave it up to graham to decide to who fits his scheme best....

im excited for the draft and expect OL early and often. a slight trade back to get some exttra early picks would be great


15 mil per year to a middling CB is smart when the OL is in shambles? 10 mil per to a middling LB is smart?

Conklin would’ve been a great signing especially at the price point he signed. Much better than what the Giants ended up with.
RE: RE: RE: RE: I get the frustration - this is new coaching staff, Volume 3  
Giants in 07 : 3/18/2020 4:12 pm : link
In comment 14841412 Dave in Hoboken said:
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In comment 14841399 Dave in Hoboken said:


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I think Golden is underrated. look at his numbers and film before the injury and his film and numbers this past year. he's that tier just below those elite pass rushers, IMO. I used to think he was just and effort, hustle type player but he's better than that.

Martinez - I think one of the biggest issues with the Giants the past few years has been the confusion - two years into Bettcher's reign and they were still a mess. I'm think Martinez can handle the job. and he's a solid player. you have a lot of B-B+ football players you can have a pretty good defense.

biggest unknowns this year - what can new staff get out of Carter, XMan and Connelly.




Martinez can't cover and our defense has a track record recently of getting destroyed by TE's. The last thing we needed was another TE who can't cover.

This is what we're talking about. DG repeats signings. He wants to stock up on DT but not address LB who can cover a TE, or pass-rush. And he still hasn't. Year after year it's the same offseason, with awful results in-season.



He has addressed it, you just don't like the direction they chose to go in

Every team has the same problem with coverage linebackers. They aren't a dime a dozen. They are hard to find. Every team has trouble with protection on the O-Line. More and more every year actually. If it was so easy to find these guys, they wouldn't be in such demand when they became available

There are only so many players to go around. And when to have 10-15 teams with enough cap space to do whatever they want, prices are going to be expensive. And it's not smart for a team with so many holes to get into a bidding war for one of them.



Where have they addressed OL and pass-rush?


You said linebackers in your previous post. You don't like the players they chose, fine. But to say they haven't addressed it is twitter bullshit
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: I get the frustration - this is new coaching staff, Volume 3  
Dave in Hoboken : 3/18/2020 4:13 pm : link
In comment 14841416 Giants in 07 said:
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In comment 14841399 Dave in Hoboken said:


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I think Golden is underrated. look at his numbers and film before the injury and his film and numbers this past year. he's that tier just below those elite pass rushers, IMO. I used to think he was just and effort, hustle type player but he's better than that.

Martinez - I think one of the biggest issues with the Giants the past few years has been the confusion - two years into Bettcher's reign and they were still a mess. I'm think Martinez can handle the job. and he's a solid player. you have a lot of B-B+ football players you can have a pretty good defense.

biggest unknowns this year - what can new staff get out of Carter, XMan and Connelly.




Martinez can't cover and our defense has a track record recently of getting destroyed by TE's. The last thing we needed was another TE who can't cover.

This is what we're talking about. DG repeats signings. He wants to stock up on DT but not address LB who can cover a TE, or pass-rush. And he still hasn't. Year after year it's the same offseason, with awful results in-season.



He has addressed it, you just don't like the direction they chose to go in

Every team has the same problem with coverage linebackers. They aren't a dime a dozen. They are hard to find. Every team has trouble with protection on the O-Line. More and more every year actually. If it was so easy to find these guys, they wouldn't be in such demand when they became available

There are only so many players to go around. And when to have 10-15 teams with enough cap space to do whatever they want, prices are going to be expensive. And it's not smart for a team with so many holes to get into a bidding war for one of them.



Where have they addressed OL and pass-rush?



You said linebackers in your previous post. You don't like the players they chose, fine. But to say they haven't addressed it is twitter bullshit


No. I said OL and pass rush are our two biggest weaknesses and they have not been addressed.
Ximenes  
bc4life : 3/18/2020 4:13 pm : link
is going to be an interesting test of this regime's ability to spot raw talent
RE: I’ve never been so disappointed  
The_Boss : 3/18/2020 4:14 pm : link
In comment 14841292 MtDizzle said:
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in an offseason before. With the amount of cap out there I was expecting some game changers. We added 3 decent at best defenders and retained a bunch of guys already on the roster of one of the worst giants teams I’ve ever seen. Very disappointed fan right now. I see no signs of things getting better any time soon.


What were you looking for? Clowney, Jones, and Conklin?

Most here know I’m no Dave fan, but he played this well. Time will tell if he acquired the right players. I have my reservations regarding the GB LB’s, but that’s another topic. If you were looking for instant gratification in 2020, you’re probably going to be disappointed. This is still one of the 3-5 least talented rosters in the league and it likely will be throughout 2020. They were never surpassing Dallas or Philadelphia this offseason. I’m ready for a 4-6 win year again, unfortunately. Maybe you should start preparing for that possibility as well. The only silver lining I see in it is maybe, just maybe, John will have seen enough from Dave and send him off into retirement in early 2021....
you have to draft tackles  
bc4life : 3/18/2020 4:16 pm : link
for the most part, they don't have to be great - just have to be competent. Last good OLine they drafted was Snee. Almost 2 decades ago.

Although I am expecting Hernandez to bounce back after a sophomore slump
RE: RE: JonC:  
JonC : 3/18/2020 4:18 pm : link
In comment 14841405 Dave in Hoboken said:
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In comment 14841402 Torrag said:


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Intelligent measured assessment has nothing to do with BBI during Free Agency week. LOL.



If people had 'accurate perspective' here, they wouldn't have praised the past several offseasons when they've gotten the same result in season every season of those supposedly good off-seasons. That ship sailed ions ago.


I try to deliver it. I should quit. LOL
This was a mediocre pass rush and OL free agent class  
Torrag : 3/18/2020 4:21 pm : link
The only OL that deserved the price he got was Castonzo. Yes, that includes Conklin who is overrated here. Who wanted to pay Donte Fowler $16M a year? Or any of this years 'top tier' guys what they got paid?

Those are long term bad decisions. The way you win is to consistently make good long term decisions. That's what we've done so far this year.

The only things I would have done differently is signed Schobert/Littleton/Kwiatkoski at their price before giving Martinez $10M. And I would have signed McGovern at OC for his price. Of course we don't know the details of offers, negotiations etc for the players we inquired about. You can't make players sign with you.
I think people just want a plan.  
Saquon'sQuadz : 3/18/2020 4:21 pm : link
They drafted how many CBs the last 2 years? and then they spend their one big deal on a CB like Bradberry who I like, but still whats the plan?. Linebackers is basically a revolving door from average to below average, Littleton would have been a piece you could build with.. He constantly drafts defensive tackles despite having how many? THey're not push rushers, you dont need 10 of them.

Seriously, obviously we're in a rebuild, but what exactly is the plan here?
Some seem to be saying it's because players  
Dave in Hoboken : 3/18/2020 4:24 pm : link
don't want to sign here. If that's the reason, then I guess nothing can be said and I can't blame them. This is a franchise that has been losing for almost a decade straight and has lost 9 games in the last two seasons. If they have a plan, it doesn't really seem to be apparent outside of being at least somewhat sold on Daniel Jones. Everything else kind of seems up in the air at best. And I guess these FA's aren't being won over with what the Giants are telling them in their meetings with them in free agency.

It's troubling.
They drafted how many CBs the last 2 years?  
Torrag : 3/18/2020 4:27 pm : link
the whole over investment at CB argument has been debunked and destroyed. The assets used there including Baker were more than reasonable and a lot less than many NFL teams. Signing Bradberry puts us a lot more in line with most teams at what is a critical position requiring at least three very good players to be successful.
RE: They drafted how many CBs the last 2 years?  
Saquon'sQuadz : 3/18/2020 4:29 pm : link
In comment 14841446 Torrag said:
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the whole over investment at CB argument has been debunked and destroyed. The assets used there including Baker were more than reasonable and a lot less than many NFL teams. Signing Bradberry puts us a lot more in line with most teams at what is a critical position requiring at least three very good players to be successful.


and the defensive tackles? How many of those do we need?. We had like 3 before he took Lawrence (when there was an edge rusher sitting there), then we gave up picks to trade for Williams who is yet another defensive tackle. it makes zero sense. They have no plan.
"and the defensive tackles?"  
Torrag : 3/18/2020 4:33 pm : link
You need 4 good ones. These big boys have to rotate. Again our investment there is in line with what it takes to be successful. Look at the 49ers group for example. They have much more sunk into draft picks and money invested than we do. Four man line but still not close.

You aren't very knowledgeable about roster construction are you?
RE: I think people just want a plan.  
Mike from Ohio : 3/18/2020 4:37 pm : link
In comment 14841434 Saquon'sQuadz said:
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They drafted how many CBs the last 2 years? and then they spend their one big deal on a CB like Bradberry who I like, but still whats the plan?. Linebackers is basically a revolving door from average to below average, Littleton would have been a piece you could build with.. He constantly drafts defensive tackles despite having how many? THey're not push rushers, you dont need 10 of them.

Seriously, obviously we're in a rebuild, but what exactly is the plan here?


What would you expect management to publicly announce about their plan to rebuild the franchise? Who they will target in free agency? Who they will target in the draft? What positions they will prioritize?

That isn't how any team in any sport works.
I would agree that not signing a viable Center is concerning  
Rjanyg : 3/18/2020 4:37 pm : link
Their were not many on the market or any great OL prospects but I really liked McGovern and would have felt really good if we could have strengthened at least one of the C/RT positions this offseason.

I can understand the Bradberry signing, I am warming to the Martinez signing, I actually really like Fackrell..the guy is a total under the radar signing.

Tagging Williams was predictable and he is a good player.

Hopefully we find a Center in the draft.
RE: What makes anyone think the Giants personnel department  
Klaatu : 3/18/2020 4:51 pm : link
In comment 14841401 TMS said:
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can choose a decent OT in the draft. I am not convinced they can. Why are we wasting premium 1st round picks on this position over and over again. It is a tough position to evaluate especially for the Giants. Stop wasting these picks already. The fans always think they have the answer but they never do. Sick of it myself. Who was the last decent LT drafted by the Giants Jumbo Elliott ?


"Over and over again?" Not really. It's actually been three since 1999, two since 2012. Perhaps if, in the last ten years, the Giants had drafted one less CB in the 1st round and one more OT instead, they would have been better off. Ditto for RB.
Does anyone know why we have not tried to re-sign Golden?  
montanagiant : 3/18/2020 4:52 pm : link
Is it he wants too much money or that they don't he's any good?
Love to see  
XBRONX : 3/18/2020 4:56 pm : link
who our C and ER's are next year?
RE: Does anyone know why we have not tried to re-sign Golden?  
90.Cal : 3/18/2020 4:56 pm : link
In comment 14841480 montanagiant said:
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Is it he wants too much money or that they don't he's any good?


Because we are waiting on Clowney to accept our offer... (hopefully)
RE: Does anyone know why we have not tried to re-sign Golden?  
Saquads26 : 3/18/2020 4:58 pm : link
In comment 14841480 montanagiant said:
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Is it he wants too much money or that they don't he's any good?


Maybe we have/are trying?
RE: RE: Does anyone know why we have not tried to re-sign Golden?  
Saquads26 : 3/18/2020 4:59 pm : link
In comment 14841484 90.Cal said:
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Is it he wants too much money or that they don't he's any good?



Because we are waiting on Clowney to accept our offer... (hopefully)


What was the offer?
Listen,  
bigfrank612 : 3/18/2020 5:11 pm : link
I know we aren’t competing for championships this year or maybe even next year, but they could’ve signed some impact players with the cap space they had and fought for one of the 3 wild card spots. Instead they continue to ignore OL and Edge, our two most important weaknesses.

I’m so tired of seeing beat writers tell us that said player is priced above our range. Like they aren’t trying to get better, at least they aren’t acting like it. And I’m never one to be one of those “sky is falling” guys, but when I spend my hard earned money each year on season tickets I expect an effort. Now they’re saying that Jenkins is costing too much as well? I mean cmon. I totally agree with not paying Floyd $13mil, well done there. But to not try and get a Jenkins, Fowler, Re-sign Golden, or Hell even give Kennard money to come back is ridiculous. He only got $20 mil over 3 hrs from ARZ. Shit needs to change.

End rant.
RE: RE: RE: Does anyone know why we have not tried to re-sign Golden?  
Philu916 : 3/18/2020 5:11 pm : link
In comment 14841487 Saquads26 said:
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Is it he wants too much money or that they don't he's any good?



Because we are waiting on Clowney to accept our offer... (hopefully)



What was the offer?


Actual info that NYG offered Clowney a deal or is this a guess?
RE: Listen,  
Strahan91 : 3/18/2020 5:14 pm : link
In comment 14841500 bigfrank612 said:
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I know we aren’t competing for championships this year or maybe even next year, but they could’ve signed some impact players with the cap space they had and fought for one of the 3 wild card spots. Instead they continue to ignore OL and Edge, our two most important weaknesses.

I’m so tired of seeing beat writers tell us that said player is priced above our range. Like they aren’t trying to get better, at least they aren’t acting like it. And I’m never one to be one of those “sky is falling” guys, but when I spend my hard earned money each year on season tickets I expect an effort. Now they’re saying that Jenkins is costing too much as well? I mean cmon. I totally agree with not paying Floyd $13mil, well done there. But to not try and get a Jenkins, Fowler, Re-sign Golden, or Hell even give Kennard money to come back is ridiculous. He only got $20 mil over 3 hrs from ARZ. Shit needs to change.

End rant.

I hear your frustration but we don't know what Jenkins is asking for. Maybe like Floyd, it's also too much for who he is. Fowler got paid very well for who he is too. He's had 1 double digit sack season (like the guy we signed for much less) and that took playing on a defense with Aaron Donald. I wouldn't have given him that contract personally.

I'd still like to bring Golden back and will hold out hope until we hear he signed elsewhere.
RE: RE: Listen,  
bigfrank612 : 3/18/2020 5:20 pm : link
In comment 14841505 Strahan91 said:
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I know we aren’t competing for championships this year or maybe even next year, but they could’ve signed some impact players with the cap space they had and fought for one of the 3 wild card spots. Instead they continue to ignore OL and Edge, our two most important weaknesses.

I’m so tired of seeing beat writers tell us that said player is priced above our range. Like they aren’t trying to get better, at least they aren’t acting like it. And I’m never one to be one of those “sky is falling” guys, but when I spend my hard earned money each year on season tickets I expect an effort. Now they’re saying that Jenkins is costing too much as well? I mean cmon. I totally agree with not paying Floyd $13mil, well done there. But to not try and get a Jenkins, Fowler, Re-sign Golden, or Hell even give Kennard money to come back is ridiculous. He only got $20 mil over 3 hrs from ARZ. Shit needs to change.

End rant.


I hear your frustration but we don't know what Jenkins is asking for. Maybe like Floyd, it's also too much for who he is. Fowler got paid very well for who he is too. He's had 1 double digit sack season (like the guy we signed for much less) and that took playing on a defense with Aaron Donald. I wouldn't have given him that contract personally.

I'd still like to bring Golden back and will hold out hope until we hear he signed elsewhere.


Yes Fowler got paid a ton, but Jenkins isn’t or at least shouldn’t be asking for that. So they should be ponying up for him. They can back load his contract in years 2/3 and with the cap rising, it’s not gonna look like a bad deal at all in the future. The prices for players is only going to do the to go up. I’m so frustrated with the moves we continue to make. And ppl will say, they still have the draft but I don’t want to hear that. We’ve ignored OL in the draft year after year, minus Flowers and Hernandez. And we haven’t hit on a pass rusher since JPP. Again, shit needs to change.
RE: Listen,  
GiantsRage2007 : 3/18/2020 5:22 pm : link
In comment 14841500 bigfrank612 said:
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I know we aren’t competing for championships this year or maybe even next year, but they could’ve signed some impact players with the cap space they had and fought for one of the 3 wild card spots. Instead they continue to ignore OL and Edge, our two most important weaknesses.

I’m so tired of seeing beat writers tell us that said player is priced above our range. Like they aren’t trying to get better, at least they aren’t acting like it. And I’m never one to be one of those “sky is falling” guys, but when I spend my hard earned money each year on season tickets I expect an effort. Now they’re saying that Jenkins is costing too much as well? I mean cmon. I totally agree with not paying Floyd $13mil, well done there. But to not try and get a Jenkins, Fowler, Re-sign Golden, or Hell even give Kennard money to come back is ridiculous. He only got $20 mil over 3 hrs from ARZ. Shit needs to change.

End rant.


You’re ranting about Jenkins, Golden, Fowler, Kennard?

Come on.

You realize we still have the draft right?

I’d rather draft OL or Edge than tie up $20m-$30m on marginal players we will cut in a year.
Per Stapleton  
Strahan91 : 3/18/2020 5:23 pm : link
Jenkins is looking for a deal worth $13M/year. Definitely too rich for him.
Former Giants center  
YANKEE28 : 3/18/2020 5:25 pm : link
Evan Brown cut by the Dolphins to make room for Karras
RE: RE: Listen,  
bigfrank612 : 3/18/2020 5:28 pm : link
In comment 14841523 GiantsRage2007 said:
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I know we aren’t competing for championships this year or maybe even next year, but they could’ve signed some impact players with the cap space they had and fought for one of the 3 wild card spots. Instead they continue to ignore OL and Edge, our two most important weaknesses.

I’m so tired of seeing beat writers tell us that said player is priced above our range. Like they aren’t trying to get better, at least they aren’t acting like it. And I’m never one to be one of those “sky is falling” guys, but when I spend my hard earned money each year on season tickets I expect an effort. Now they’re saying that Jenkins is costing too much as well? I mean cmon. I totally agree with not paying Floyd $13mil, well done there. But to not try and get a Jenkins, Fowler, Re-sign Golden, or Hell even give Kennard money to come back is ridiculous. He only got $20 mil over 3 hrs from ARZ. Shit needs to change.

End rant.



You’re ranting about Jenkins, Golden, Fowler, Kennard?

Come on.

You realize we still have the draft right?

I’d rather draft OL or Edge than tie up $20m-$30m on marginal players we will cut in a year.


This is the typical response from a Giants fan who continues to believe in an organization to a fault. Smh. Because they’ve been killing drafts right? Please stop it.
Clowney  
Philu916 : 3/18/2020 5:28 pm : link
That comment was totally a joke right? Was it reported anywhere that DG offered him a deal?
RE: Per Stapleton  
bigfrank612 : 3/18/2020 5:29 pm : link
In comment 14841525 Strahan91 said:
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Jenkins is looking for a deal worth $13M/year. Definitely too rich for him.


Every contract is too rich! It’s the NFL. And next years contracts will be higher, and the year after that, and the year after that. You have to pay players. It’s simple.
RE: RE: RE: Listen,  
Klaatu : 3/18/2020 5:37 pm : link
In comment 14841531 bigfrank612 said:
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I know we aren’t competing for championships this year or maybe even next year, but they could’ve signed some impact players with the cap space they had and fought for one of the 3 wild card spots. Instead they continue to ignore OL and Edge, our two most important weaknesses.

I’m so tired of seeing beat writers tell us that said player is priced above our range. Like they aren’t trying to get better, at least they aren’t acting like it. And I’m never one to be one of those “sky is falling” guys, but when I spend my hard earned money each year on season tickets I expect an effort. Now they’re saying that Jenkins is costing too much as well? I mean cmon. I totally agree with not paying Floyd $13mil, well done there. But to not try and get a Jenkins, Fowler, Re-sign Golden, or Hell even give Kennard money to come back is ridiculous. He only got $20 mil over 3 hrs from ARZ. Shit needs to change.

End rant.



You’re ranting about Jenkins, Golden, Fowler, Kennard?

Come on.

You realize we still have the draft right?

I’d rather draft OL or Edge than tie up $20m-$30m on marginal players we will cut in a year.



This is the typical response from a Giants fan who continues to believe in an organization to a fault. Smh. Because they’ve been killing drafts right? Please stop it.


Have they been killing it in free agency for the past couple of years?
RE: RE: Per Stapleton  
Philu916 : 3/18/2020 5:39 pm : link
In comment 14841535 bigfrank612 said:
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Jenkins is looking for a deal worth $13M/year. Definitely too rich for him.



Every contract is too rich! It’s the NFL. And next years contracts will be higher, and the year after that, and the year after that. You have to pay players. It’s simple.


If Jenkins has another year where he has 6-8 sacks, but has 40-45 tackles with it, $13M next season would look like a massive steal if the cap goes to the $250M range. $13M AAV can look like $17-$18M AAV...
RE: Per Stapleton  
Capt. Don : 3/18/2020 5:40 pm : link
In comment 14841525 Strahan91 said:
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Jenkins is looking for a deal worth $13M/year. Definitely too rich for him.


I disagree. I think that is about right for a 25 year old who has accrued 15 sacks in 2 years.

Check the contracts that the Smith's got from Green Bay with similar production but they were 1 year older.
RE: RE: RE: Per Stapleton  
bigfrank612 : 3/18/2020 5:42 pm : link
In comment 14841547 Philu916 said:
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Jenkins is looking for a deal worth $13M/year. Definitely too rich for him.



Every contract is too rich! It’s the NFL. And next years contracts will be higher, and the year after that, and the year after that. You have to pay players. It’s simple.



If Jenkins has another year where he has 6-8 sacks, but has 40-45 tackles with it, $13M next season would look like a massive steal if the cap goes to the $250M range. $13M AAV can look like $17-$18M AAV...


Exactly, these guys arguing against spending clearly don’t understand Inflation lol. Next years guys are gonna make soooo much more. But instead we sit around and sign 3rd string blocking TE’s who made $800k last year and give them $3.5mil this year. But hey, I don’t know shit.
RE: RE: RE: Listen,  
GiantsRage2007 : 3/18/2020 5:48 pm : link
In comment 14841531 bigfrank612 said:
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I know we aren’t competing for championships this year or maybe even next year, but they could’ve signed some impact players with the cap space they had and fought for one of the 3 wild card spots. Instead they continue to ignore OL and Edge, our two most important weaknesses.

I’m so tired of seeing beat writers tell us that said player is priced above our range. Like they aren’t trying to get better, at least they aren’t acting like it. And I’m never one to be one of those “sky is falling” guys, but when I spend my hard earned money each year on season tickets I expect an effort. Now they’re saying that Jenkins is costing too much as well? I mean cmon. I totally agree with not paying Floyd $13mil, well done there. But to not try and get a Jenkins, Fowler, Re-sign Golden, or Hell even give Kennard money to come back is ridiculous. He only got $20 mil over 3 hrs from ARZ. Shit needs to change.

End rant.



You’re ranting about Jenkins, Golden, Fowler, Kennard?

Come on.

You realize we still have the draft right?

I’d rather draft OL or Edge than tie up $20m-$30m on marginal players we will cut in a year.



This is the typical response from a Giants fan who continues to believe in an organization to a fault. Smh. Because they’ve been killing drafts right? Please stop it.


Nah, wrong guy. They're f'ed up a ton for sure. But, look at it objectively, they've been drafting WAY better than FA pickups that's for sure. I'd rather they have spent big money on an impact player - you wanna hitch your wagon to Kennard?

Good luck. Keep ranting buddy.
If you're going off of sack numbers strictly then sure  
Strahan91 : 3/18/2020 5:51 pm : link
but both Smith's were/are far superior players to Jenkins. Even just using advanced stats which doesn't tell the full story, Jenkins blitzed 58 times this past year and in total amounted to 4 hurries, 4 qb knockdowns, and 16 pressures.

In 2018 before signing their deals:

ZS: blitzed 49 times, 12 hurries, 13 qb knockdowns, and 35 pressures.

PS: blitzed 32 times, 12 hurries, 9 knockdowns, 26 pressures.

I'm using profootballreference but if you were to use PFF the numbers are even more lopsided.
Posted on  
XBRONX : 3/18/2020 5:53 pm : link
another thread. Jenkins stinks.Half his sacks came in two games against us and the Phins.
not to mention  
Strahan91 : 3/18/2020 5:53 pm : link
Jenkins is still sitting out there so no one has met his $13M asking price yet either. We'll see if they do but I doubt it.
Can end the Jenkins talk  
Saquads26 : 3/18/2020 6:05 pm : link
Terms: Malcolm Jenkins to the #Saints on a 4-year deal worth up to $35M with $16.25M guaranteed, per @Schultz_Report.
Saquads  
Strahan91 : 3/18/2020 6:06 pm : link
the conversation above was about Jordan Jenkins, not Malcolm :)
RE: Saquads  
Saquads26 : 3/18/2020 6:08 pm : link
In comment 14841575 Strahan91 said:
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the conversation above was about Jordan Jenkins, not Malcolm :)


Oh lol.
RE: Clowney  
TMS : 3/18/2020 6:26 pm : link
In comment 14841533 Philu916 said:
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That comment was totally a joke right? Was it reported anywhere that DG offered him a deal?
. Is this true ? Maybe Judge can get him to be all he can be in NYC. He is a true game changer if her wants to be. Put him and Williams on the line together and draft Simmons. We are contenders next year. Instantly.
a quick point about the state of the roster if we all step back  
Eric on Li : 3/18/2020 6:34 pm : link
there are 22 offensive/defensive starters. Heading into FA, you could make an argument that we had 16 positions with relatively clear starters (i'm counting Love at FS, though I think that one is certainly debatable):

9 players on offense (all except C, RT)
7 on defense (needed 1 CB, 2 LB, 1 DL)

Of those 16 starters by the way, 12 were draft picks in the last few years. 2 were trades (Zeitler/Peppers) and 2 were FA's (Solder, Tate).

Tagging LW and signing Bradberry/Martinez/Fackrell hit each of the 4 starting spots on D. It is absolutely fair to disagree and argue on which players should have been signed for those open slots, but IMO no matter who we signed the more consequential factor of where this team is going next year is how the new coaching staff does developing and getting the most out of those 12 homegrown players who were already here and the additional players added in the draft next month - at least 2 of whom are likely to be day 1 starters.
.  
Saquads26 : 3/18/2020 6:45 pm : link
On Jadeveon Clowney: He wants approximately $20M per season and interested teams aren't going to that number as of now, per @diannaESPN.
I'd be all over this - Thompson is a solid ball hawk  
Eric on Li : 3/18/2020 6:49 pm : link
Ian Rapoport @RapSheet
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Seattle #Seahawks starting free safety Tedric Thompson has been given permission to seek a trade, source said. Would likely be for a late-round draft pick.
RE: RE: Clowney  
Ivan15 : 3/18/2020 7:08 pm : link
In comment 14841597 TMS said:
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That comment was totally a joke right? Was it reported anywhere that DG offered him a deal?

. Is this true ? Maybe Judge can get him to be all he can be in NYC. He is a true game changer if her wants to be. Put him and Williams on the line together and draft Simmons. We are contenders next year. Instantly.

If Clowney was a game changer, Houston would not have traded him and Seattle would not have let him go. Now, 3 strikes and you’re out.
RE: I'd be all over this - Thompson is a solid ball hawk  
bw in dc : 3/18/2020 7:09 pm : link
In comment 14841615 Eric on Li said:
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Ian Rapoport @RapSheet
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Seattle #Seahawks starting free safety Tedric Thompson has been given permission to seek a trade, source said. Would likely be for a late-round draft pick.


Coming off an injury, but I like your train of thought here. There are some interesting signs he can make plays...
Shoulder injuries  
Philu916 : 3/18/2020 7:14 pm : link
Are generally hard for Safeties to come back from 100% effective they were before injury. He’s still young so has that going for him in regards to recovery.
I just learned  
Jon in NYC : 3/18/2020 7:24 pm : link
this on his Wiki, but Tedric has a brother named Cedric.

RE: I'd be all over this - Thompson is a solid ball hawk  
Jay on the Island : 3/18/2020 7:46 pm : link
In comment 14841615 Eric on Li said:
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Ian Rapoport @RapSheet
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Seattle #Seahawks starting free safety Tedric Thompson has been given permission to seek a trade, source said. Would likely be for a late-round draft pick.

If he could be bad for a late round pick sign me up. That would allow Love to play the slot more often and Graham could deploy 3 safety sets like the Giants did years ago when they signed Deon Grant.
RE: RE: RE: Clowney  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 3/18/2020 7:49 pm : link
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If Clowney was a game changer, Houston would not have traded him and Seattle would not have let him go. Now, 3 strikes and you’re out.


Maybe not a game changer, but a very good player. The issue appears to be that he has overpriced himself.

He would have a big positive impact on the Giants defense, but more than 20 million a year is too much.
yea I think 3rd safety is a big need  
Eric on Li : 3/18/2020 7:50 pm : link
specifically a rangy centerfielder would allow Love to play slot and Peppers to play in the box - both seemed to do well in those roles.

Clinton Dix would be a fit but you've got to think that if Judge had a good review on him from the Saban crew he might have been an initial target. I believe Graham was on the staff when he was in GB too.
Surprised we’ve heard nothing on Oline Free Agents yet?!  
Simms11 : 3/18/2020 8:06 pm : link
We need to get a RT or Center in Free Agency. Are the Giants waiting for prices to drop? I suppose they’re looking at guys that could be a 1 or 2 year rental and focusing on drafting guys that could become eventual starters?!
RE: Surprised we’ve heard nothing on Oline Free Agents yet?!  
GFAN52 : 3/18/2020 8:10 pm : link
In comment 14841692 Simms11 said:
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We need to get a RT or Center in Free Agency. Are the Giants waiting for prices to drop? I suppose they’re looking at guys that could be a 1 or 2 year rental and focusing on drafting guys that could become eventual starters?!


Draft is deep in OL.
RE: RE: Surprised we’ve heard nothing on Oline Free Agents yet?!  
Simms11 : 3/18/2020 8:32 pm : link
In comment 14841698 GFAN52 said:
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We need to get a RT or Center in Free Agency. Are the Giants waiting for prices to drop? I suppose they’re looking at guys that could be a 1 or 2 year rental and focusing on drafting guys that could become eventual starters?!



Draft is deep in OL.


I think it’s almost a guarantee that we draft Oline, however, as DG has stated, don’t go shopping hungry.
Twitter Posts: Giants/Golden May be Close,  
clatterbuck : 3/18/2020 11:28 pm : link
according to two twitter posters (Giants Insider and NYG_Pete. Don't know if they are reliable.
I thought letting Golden walk would be a smart move but the way  
Eric on Li : 3/18/2020 11:41 pm : link
things have unfolded, if he's not too expensive he'd be a good fit with the group they have. He's a good effort player and plays with toughness.
RE: Twitter Posts: Giants/Golden May be Close,  
Saquon'sQuadz : 3/18/2020 11:44 pm : link
In comment 14841973 clatterbuck said:
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according to two twitter posters (Giants Insider and NYG_Pete. Don't know if they are reliable.


apparently its according to Marc Ross.
What exactly is the plan for  
MtDizzle : 3/19/2020 4:36 am : link
rushing the passer here?
RE: Surprised we’ve heard nothing on Oline Free Agents yet?!  
Big Blue Blogger : 3/19/2020 5:06 am : link
Simms11 said:
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We need to get a RT or Center in Free Agency. Are the Giants waiting for prices to drop? I suppose they’re looking at guys that could be a 1 or 2 year rental and focusing on drafting guys that could become eventual starters?!
Cameron Fleming sets a floor under the right tackle position for a year. It's a low floor, but at least he's a legitimate NFL player. Might point toward drafting a RT prospect who needs a year of development. The 2020 class seems fairly deep in that type.
RE: Twitter Posts: Giants/Golden May be Close,  
Allen in CNJ : 3/19/2020 6:22 am : link
In comment 14841973 clatterbuck said:
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according to two twitter posters (Giants Insider and NYG_Pete. Don't know if they are reliable.


It'd be great to have Markus back. Can't have too many quality pass rushers.
RE: Twitter Posts: Giants/Golden May be Close,  
Brown Recluse : 3/19/2020 7:05 am : link
In comment 14841973 clatterbuck said:
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according to two twitter posters (Giants Insider and NYG_Pete. Don't know if they are reliable.


I dont see that anywhere on the Giants Insider twitter page and NYG_Pete isnt an insider
At least two of our Free Agents are on 1-year deals  
M.S. : 3/19/2020 8:01 am : link

Almost seems like Joe Judge is saying:

"Please do not saddle me with too many long term deals since I really don't know how these players will blend in with the team."
MS, contracts are not guaranteed  
George from PA : 3/19/2020 8:11 am : link
So it is more like, player will settle on a prove it deal, at those dollars.

2 year deals are zero risk for teams...

Now, your logic is true....as the contract are front loaded....which allows everyone to be cut with little dead money
RE: RE: RE: Surprised we’ve heard nothing on Oline Free Agents yet?!  
LBH15 : 3/19/2020 8:21 am : link
In comment 14841728 Simms11 said:
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Draft is deep in OL.



I think it’s almost a guarantee that we draft Oline, however, as DG has stated, don’t go shopping hungry.


This, coming from the guy who defined that role in 2018.
I know we get caught up in Dave TE  
Matt in SGS : 3/19/2020 10:09 am : link
but he had a podcast last night on what's going on around the NFL. Keep in mind, a few weeks ago he said that Brady was not coming back to the Pats (he is a consultant with Belichick) and he said he thought he was going to the Titans or Bucs. His next prediction is Jameis is going to New England, but anyway on the Giants

- He thinks Denver is going to release Joe Flacco soon. When they do, the Giants will look to pick him up as a backup to Jones. He noted that Flacco is a similar enough type player to Jones in case there is an injury and he has to step in to run the system. And he will provide a good veteran holding the clipboard for Jones. Makes sense

- The Giants and Seahawks are waiting on Clowney's price to come down. No one is giving him $20M. If he comes down to around $16M, the Giants will be back in on him.
RE: I know we get caught up in Dave TE  
The_Boss : 3/19/2020 10:20 am : link
In comment 14842271 Matt in SGS said:
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but he had a podcast last night on what's going on around the NFL. Keep in mind, a few weeks ago he said that Brady was not coming back to the Pats (he is a consultant with Belichick) and he said he thought he was going to the Titans or Bucs. His next prediction is Jameis is going to New England, but anyway on the Giants

- He thinks Denver is going to release Joe Flacco soon. When they do, the Giants will look to pick him up as a backup to Jones. He noted that Flacco is a similar enough type player to Jones in case there is an injury and he has to step in to run the system. And he will provide a good veteran holding the clipboard for Jones. Makes sense

- The Giants and Seahawks are waiting on Clowney's price to come down. No one is giving him $20M. If he comes down to around $16M, the Giants will be back in on him.


I thought I read (RapSheet maybe?) that Denver was definitely about to dump Flacco. So stay tuned on that...
RE: I know we get caught up in Dave TE  
The_Boss : 3/19/2020 10:24 am : link
In comment 14842271 Matt in SGS said:
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but he had a podcast last night on what's going on around the NFL. Keep in mind, a few weeks ago he said that Brady was not coming back to the Pats (he is a consultant with Belichick) and he said he thought he was going to the Titans or Bucs. His next prediction is Jameis is going to New England, but anyway on the Giants

- He thinks Denver is going to release Joe Flacco soon. When they do, the Giants will look to pick him up as a backup to Jones. He noted that Flacco is a similar enough type player to Jones in case there is an injury and he has to step in to run the system. And he will provide a good veteran holding the clipboard for Jones. Makes sense

- The Giants and Seahawks are waiting on Clowney's price to come down. No one is giving him $20M. If he comes down to around $16M, the Giants will be back in on him.


And to the point of the Pats. Maybe Bill’s plan up there is to bottom out and position himself for Lawrence or Fields in 2021? I’m trying to find the team(s) looking to get bad enough for those guys and SD is another “contender”along with Jacksonville, and maybe Carolina and Chicago thus far.
RE: I know we get caught up in Dave TE  
Rjanyg : 3/19/2020 11:34 am : link
In comment 14842271 Matt in SGS said:
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but he had a podcast last night on what's going on around the NFL. Keep in mind, a few weeks ago he said that Brady was not coming back to the Pats (he is a consultant with Belichick) and he said he thought he was going to the Titans or Bucs. His next prediction is Jameis is going to New England, but anyway on the Giants

- He thinks Denver is going to release Joe Flacco soon. When they do, the Giants will look to pick him up as a backup to Jones. He noted that Flacco is a similar enough type player to Jones in case there is an injury and he has to step in to run the system. And he will provide a good veteran holding the clipboard for Jones. Makes sense

- The Giants and Seahawks are waiting on Clowney's price to come down. No one is giving him $20M. If he comes down to around $16M, the Giants will be back in on him.


I like Dave Te. Hope he is right on both fronts.
I believe Belichek wants to troll the entire league and win w/ a loser  
Eric on Li : 3/19/2020 11:41 am : link
I don't know if he will pick Jameis or Dalton, but I think there is nothing Belichek would love to do more than to pick up a guy that everyone else says is a loser and can't win a big game, and win a championship with that person.

And before anyone says it's not possible, Parcells almost did it with Vinny testaverde.

Obviously Stidham could also be in play and I'm sure they will let him (and maybe another draft pick) compete for the job.

But I believe that is what Belichek wants to do and the fact that it would also lead some to (wrongly) throw cold water on Brady is icing on the cake for him.
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Strahan91 : 3/19/2020 12:37 pm : link
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49ers just informed starting guard Mike Person that he is being released, per source. A veteran guard now available.

Might be a cheap option for the Giants who can compete at center
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Anakim : 3/19/2020 12:43 pm : link
In comment 14842525 Strahan91 said:
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Adam Schefter
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49ers just informed starting guard Mike Person that he is being released, per source. A veteran guard now available.

Might be a cheap option for the Giants who can compete at center


He has experience at Center, but he was terrible there with the Falcons. He's a Guard.
RE: I know we get caught up in Dave TE  
The_Boss : 3/19/2020 1:50 pm : link
In comment 14842271 Matt in SGS said:
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but he had a podcast last night on what's going on around the NFL. Keep in mind, a few weeks ago he said that Brady was not coming back to the Pats (he is a consultant with Belichick) and he said he thought he was going to the Titans or Bucs. His next prediction is Jameis is going to New England, but anyway on the Giants

- He thinks Denver is going to release Joe Flacco soon. When they do, the Giants will look to pick him up as a backup to Jones. He noted that Flacco is a similar enough type player to Jones in case there is an injury and he has to step in to run the system. And he will provide a good veteran holding the clipboard for Jones. Makes sense

- The Giants and Seahawks are waiting on Clowney's price to come down. No one is giving him $20M. If he comes down to around $16M, the Giants will be back in on him.


Flacco cut. Step 1.
RE: RE: Clowney  
Beer Man : 3/19/2020 5:11 pm : link
In comment 14841597 TMS said:
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In comment 14841533 Philu916 said:


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That comment was totally a joke right? Was it reported anywhere that DG offered him a deal?

. Is this true ? Maybe Judge can get him to be all he can be in NYC. He is a true game changer if her wants to be. Put him and Williams on the line together and draft Simmons. We are contenders next year. Instantly.
Perhaps, but maybe not because the team has gone yet another year without a serious upgrade to a very bad OL.
If I was Billy B, I would consider Winston but only if Winston came  
Ivan15 : 3/19/2020 5:15 pm : link
crawling and pleading. And I would offer a short term prove it deal. Maybe 2 or 3 years like the giants are doing.

If not, Dalton or Flacco are better choices.
Nice last page of the  
section125 : 3/20/2020 7:27 am : link
thread.

I do not think there is much left in the bank for NYG. Unless they get LW to a long term deal at the expected $12-13m(freeing about $3, and get Solder to take a pay cut, I do not see where they would get money for a Clowney and still have $6-7 for the draft picks. I really do not think there is enough for Golden, unless he takes about a $8m contract.

They signed McCoy, doubt Flacco is in the picture - he could go to NE.
We  
PaulN : 3/20/2020 8:21 am : link
Have to hope Carter and Ximines step up.
I wonder  
Philu916 : 3/20/2020 8:33 am : link
How much is Alex Tanney cap hit? I see the one who loses out on backup job as getting cut, hopefully it will free up some space. Are teams allowed to go into camp over the cap as long as they don’t exceed it week 1?
If the right player comes along  
JerryNicklebag : 3/20/2020 9:06 am : link
Teams always have ways to free up the cap to sign them.
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Saquads26 : 3/22/2020 9:29 pm : link
“ #Giants are targeting WR Phillip Dorsett, OLB Markus Golden RB Dion Lewis WR Rashard Higgins WR Tavon Austin LB Clay Matthews FS Rashad Jones”
Twitter rumors I  
Pete in MD : 3/24/2020 9:49 am : link
came across recently. The source doesn't have many followers (3k) so take it FWIW:


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#Giants and #Jets have talked with WR Tanje Sharpe #Titans


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Logan Ryan CB we are told down to three teams #Lions
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#Giants have jumped back in on DE Clowney
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