I thought it would be a good idea to consolidate all the rumors pertaining to the Giants on one thread. Let's try to keep this thread clean and post only news from trusted media sources.
in an offseason before. With the amount of cap out there I was expecting some game changers. We added 3 decent at best defenders and retained a bunch of guys already on the roster of one of the worst giants teams I’ve ever seen. Very disappointed fan right now. I see no signs of things getting better any time soon.
This is spot on! All those moves to create cap space and we end up with no game changers and still a good amount of holes to fill. And limited cap space remaining.
in an offseason before. With the amount of cap out there I was expecting some game changers. We added 3 decent at best defenders and retained a bunch of guys already on the roster of one of the worst giants teams I’ve ever seen. Very disappointed fan right now. I see no signs of things getting better any time soon.
Who? Who are these "game-changers" out there in FA?
in an offseason before. With the amount of cap out there I was expecting some game changers. We added 3 decent at best defenders and retained a bunch of guys already on the roster of one of the worst giants teams I’ve ever seen. Very disappointed fan right now. I see no signs of things getting better any time soon.
This is spot on! All those moves to create cap space and we end up with no game changers and still a good amount of holes to fill. And limited cap space remaining.
that I'm seeing on twitter and on facebook from friends
People just have no idea what they want but one thing is for certain, the Giants can't do anything right.
I hate New Yorkers
We want the two biggest weaknesses of the team to be fixed. OL and pass-rush. Neither of those two aspects have even been addressed yet nevermind fixed. Pretty simple.
This GM is inept. 2 Glaring needs for forever it seems. O line and Pass Rushers. Never addressed once again. I know its early but could of picked up a couple guys to address this. Instead we get another D-back and 2 linebackers. Could of got a starting linebacker with our first pick. We already spent a bunch of our cap. Seems like deja vu all over again. I think Mara is just as clueless to keep him around. Looks like another long season
This GM is inept. 2 Glaring needs for forever it seems. O line and Pass Rushers. Never addressed once again. I know its early but could of picked up a couple guys to address this. Instead we get another D-back and 2 linebackers. Could of got a starting linebacker with our first pick. We already spent a bunch of our cap. Seems like deja vu all over again. I think Mara is just as clueless to keep him around. Looks like another long season
its not just Gettleman, Reese ignored both for years too or missed big time.
and certainly fewer who were worth the UFA cost. Fans here tend to overrate UFA, and we're in no position to spend stupidly. And it's free agency, they can sign wherever they want and many people have no interest in living up here.
and certainly fewer who were worth the UFA cost. Fans here tend to overrate UFA, and we're in no position to spend stupidly. And it's free agency, they can sign wherever they want and many people have no interest in living up here.
This is spot on! All those moves to create cap space and we end up with no game changers and still a good amount of holes to fill. And limited cap space remaining.
Obviously you weren't around from 65 to 80 [/quote]
Lol...right your are😀. My fandom with Big Blue started around ‘82. I
This GM is inept. 2 Glaring needs for forever it seems. O line and Pass Rushers. Never addressed once again. I know its early but could of picked up a couple guys to address this. Instead we get another D-back and 2 linebackers. Could of got a starting linebacker with our first pick. We already spent a bunch of our cap. Seems like deja vu all over again. I think Mara is just as clueless to keep him around. Looks like another long season
Gettleman has many faults, but what surefire improvement at OL or Pass Rusher was available that we passed on in Free Agency? Let's also not act like CB and LB weren't needs. Do you really want to go into the season with one of Ballentine, oft-injured Beal, and Grant Haley as your #2 CB and the others as your depth? LB we had Mayo, who is a depth LB not a starter in an ideal world, and Ryan Connelly who nobody knows how he will look coming back from a serious injury.
most of you clown fans would have signed clowney to huge money on the first day and would have given conklin the keys to the castle.
meanwhile in a few years when you cant afford anyone or to extend your QB and RB and you have 25+ a year guy in clowney playing in 10 games a year....then what?
the giants have the need and they know its a need but shopping hungry is DANGEROUS. there isnt much out in the group to say we should have done this or that. the ONLY time ive agreed is that littelton could of maybe been had for 2 mill more per year....that i WOULD have done, but ill leave it up to graham to decide to who fits his scheme best....
im excited for the draft and expect OL early and often. a slight trade back to get some exttra early picks would be great
This GM is inept. 2 Glaring needs for forever it seems. O line and Pass Rushers. Never addressed once again. I know its early but could of picked up a couple guys to address this. Instead we get another D-back and 2 linebackers. Could of got a starting linebacker with our first pick. We already spent a bunch of our cap. Seems like deja vu all over again. I think Mara is just as clueless to keep him around. Looks like another long season
Gettleman has many faults, but what surefire improvement at OL or Pass Rusher was available that we passed on in Free Agency? Let's also not act like CB and LB weren't needs. Do you really want to go into the season with one of Ballentine, oft-injured Beal, and Grant Haley as your #2 CB and the others as your depth? LB we had Mayo, who is a depth LB not a starter in an ideal world, and Ryan Connelly who nobody knows how he will look coming back from a serious injury.
its about who he went after tho. He went for another guy good against the run but not against the pass. Littleton made much more sense to go after than Martinez did.
This GM is inept. 2 Glaring needs for forever it seems. O line and Pass Rushers. Never addressed once again. I know its early but could of picked up a couple guys to address this. Instead we get another D-back and 2 linebackers. Could of got a starting linebacker with our first pick. We already spent a bunch of our cap. Seems like deja vu all over again. I think Mara is just as clueless to keep him around. Looks like another long season
One of those LB is an OLB who is a pass rusher. Pay attention.
No argument there. But our needs can be addressed, and they haven't up to this point. Now, I know they will be addressed in the draft. But they'll be rookies and some might not be ready to contribute right off the bat. Besides, as we all know, the best teams are a mix of good, proven vets and rookies. We might get our hands on some good rookies, but alot of our vets just aren't good enough. In 2005 we had guys like Plax, Pierce, and McKenzie. Sorry but Martinez, Golden, and the like don't come close to those guys.
most of you clown fans would have signed clowney to huge money on the first day and would have given conklin the keys to the castle.
meanwhile in a few years when you cant afford anyone or to extend your QB and RB and you have 25+ a year guy in clowney playing in 10 games a year....then what?
the giants have the need and they know its a need but shopping hungry is DANGEROUS. there isnt much out in the group to say we should have done this or that. the ONLY time ive agreed is that littelton could of maybe been had for 2 mill more per year....that i WOULD have done, but ill leave it up to graham to decide to who fits his scheme best....
im excited for the draft and expect OL early and often. a slight trade back to get some exttra early picks would be great
You said the same shit last year and the year before, and we won a combined 9 games in those two seasons.
This GM is inept. 2 Glaring needs for forever it seems. O line and Pass Rushers. Never addressed once again. I know its early but could of picked up a couple guys to address this. Instead we get another D-back and 2 linebackers. Could of got a starting linebacker with our first pick. We already spent a bunch of our cap. Seems like deja vu all over again. I think Mara is just as clueless to keep him around. Looks like another long season
Gettleman has many faults, but what surefire improvement at OL or Pass Rusher was available that we passed on in Free Agency? Let's also not act like CB and LB weren't needs. Do you really want to go into the season with one of Ballentine, oft-injured Beal, and Grant Haley as your #2 CB and the others as your depth? LB we had Mayo, who is a depth LB not a starter in an ideal world, and Ryan Connelly who nobody knows how he will look coming back from a serious injury.
its about who he went after tho. He went for another guy good against the run but not against the pass. Littleton made much more sense to go after than Martinez did.
I agree I would rather have targeted Littleton. However, we don't know what happens behind the scenes. If Patrick Graham said that Martinez is the LB he needs to run his Defense and that he can get him back to the form he showed in 2017 and 2018 should the GM just ignore that? How many times under Jim Fassel did we have Ernie Accorsi selecting players who could not possibly fit the schemes we were running?
This GM is inept. 2 Glaring needs for forever it seems. O line and Pass Rushers. Never addressed once again. I know its early but could of picked up a couple guys to address this. Instead we get another D-back and 2 linebackers. Could of got a starting linebacker with our first pick. We already spent a bunch of our cap. Seems like deja vu all over again. I think Mara is just as clueless to keep him around. Looks like another long season
Gettleman has many faults, but what surefire improvement at OL or Pass Rusher was available that we passed on in Free Agency? Let's also not act like CB and LB weren't needs. Do you really want to go into the season with one of Ballentine, oft-injured Beal, and Grant Haley as your #2 CB and the others as your depth? LB we had Mayo, who is a depth LB not a starter in an ideal world, and Ryan Connelly who nobody knows how he will look coming back from a serious injury.
its about who he went after tho. He went for another guy good against the run but not against the pass. Littleton made much more sense to go after than Martinez did.
I agree I would rather have targeted Littleton. However, we don't know what happens behind the scenes. If Patrick Graham said that Martinez is the LB he needs to run his Defense and that he can get him back to the form he showed in 2017 and 2018 should the GM just ignore that? How many times under Jim Fassel did we have Ernie Accorsi selecting players who could not possibly fit the schemes we were running?
A lot has to happen before people puff out their chests
And with a new Head Coach and brand new coaching staff, they are in Year One of that re-build.
Sorry to those who thought otherwise.
They are going to build this team primarily through the Draft (which includes the past two Drafts), and allow all the young players to grow up together on the field and in the locker room. That also includes 26-year old James Bradberry (and 25-year old Leonard Williams).
Once a critical mass occurs, then the Giants will probably purchase a very expensive free agent or two in the hope that they represent the final piece for a serious playoff run.
But that is not what the 2020 Free Agency Season is all about.
Not at all.
I get the frustration - this is new coaching staff, Volume 3
I think Golden is underrated. look at his numbers and film before the injury and his film and numbers this past year. he's that tier just below those elite pass rushers, IMO. I used to think he was just and effort, hustle type player but he's better than that.
Martinez - I think one of the biggest issues with the Giants the past few years has been the confusion - two years into Bettcher's reign and they were still a mess. I'm think Martinez can handle the job. and he's a solid player. you have a lot of B-B+ football players you can have a pretty good defense.
biggest unknowns this year - what can new staff get out of Carter, XMan and Connelly.
does anyone actually think "winning" free agency matters?
seriously when is the last time a team won free agency with big signings that also created a winning team once games began? The 2016 Giants?
I'm not saying FA is unimportant or should be avoided altogether - just that rarely are the teams who make the biggest splash rewarded with the best results. Free agency is a way to supplement a roster and fill holes temporarily, not build a winner. Isn't that pretty universally accepted?
So far they've been prudent spending $ which is more than half of the battle. And secondarily they've added players the coaches have experience with - so the success of this FA will be heavily weighted towards how good or bad those coaches are (particularly Graham since he's coached 2 of the 3 defensive players signed).
I think Golden is underrated. look at his numbers and film before the injury and his film and numbers this past year. he's that tier just below those elite pass rushers, IMO. I used to think he was just and effort, hustle type player but he's better than that.
Martinez - I think one of the biggest issues with the Giants the past few years has been the confusion - two years into Bettcher's reign and they were still a mess. I'm think Martinez can handle the job. and he's a solid player. you have a lot of B-B+ football players you can have a pretty good defense.
biggest unknowns this year - what can new staff get out of Carter, XMan and Connelly.
Martinez can't cover and our defense has a track record recently of getting destroyed by TE's. The last thing we needed was another TE who can't cover.
This is what we're talking about. DG repeats signings. He wants to stock up on DT but not address LB who can cover a TE, or pass-rush. And he still hasn't. Year after year it's the same offseason, with awful results in-season.
What makes anyone think the Giants personnel department
can choose a decent OT in the draft. I am not convinced they can. Why are we wasting premium 1st round picks on this position over and over again. It is a tough position to evaluate especially for the Giants. Stop wasting these picks already. The fans always think they have the answer but they never do. Sick of it myself. Who was the last decent LT drafted by the Giants Jumbo Elliott ?
Intelligent measured assessment has nothing to do with BBI during Free Agency week. LOL.
If people had 'accurate perspective' here, they wouldn't have praised the past several offseasons when they've gotten the same result in season every season of those supposedly good off-seasons. That ship sailed ions ago.
RE: RE: I get the frustration - this is new coaching staff, Volume 3
I think Golden is underrated. look at his numbers and film before the injury and his film and numbers this past year. he's that tier just below those elite pass rushers, IMO. I used to think he was just and effort, hustle type player but he's better than that.
Martinez - I think one of the biggest issues with the Giants the past few years has been the confusion - two years into Bettcher's reign and they were still a mess. I'm think Martinez can handle the job. and he's a solid player. you have a lot of B-B+ football players you can have a pretty good defense.
biggest unknowns this year - what can new staff get out of Carter, XMan and Connelly.
Martinez can't cover and our defense has a track record recently of getting destroyed by TE's. The last thing we needed was another TE who can't cover.
This is what we're talking about. DG repeats signings. He wants to stock up on DT but not address LB who can cover a TE, or pass-rush. And he still hasn't. Year after year it's the same offseason, with awful results in-season.
He has addressed it, you just don't like the direction they chose to go in
Every team has the same problem with coverage linebackers. They aren't a dime a dozen. They are hard to find. Every team has trouble with protection on the O-Line. More and more every year actually. If it was so easy to find these guys, they wouldn't be in such demand when they became available
There are only so many players to go around. And when to have 10-15 teams with enough cap space to do whatever they want, prices are going to be expensive. And it's not smart for a team with so many holes to get into a bidding war for one of them.
RE: What makes anyone think the Giants personnel department
can choose a decent OT in the draft. I am not convinced they can. Why are we wasting premium 1st round picks on this position over and over again. It is a tough position to evaluate especially for the Giants. Stop wasting these picks already. The fans always think they have the answer but they never do. Sick of it myself. Who was the last decent LT drafted by the Giants Jumbo Elliott ?
What is ironic is, BBI would kill for a Will Beatty right now.
RE: RE: RE: I get the frustration - this is new coaching staff, Volume 3
I think Golden is underrated. look at his numbers and film before the injury and his film and numbers this past year. he's that tier just below those elite pass rushers, IMO. I used to think he was just and effort, hustle type player but he's better than that.
Martinez - I think one of the biggest issues with the Giants the past few years has been the confusion - two years into Bettcher's reign and they were still a mess. I'm think Martinez can handle the job. and he's a solid player. you have a lot of B-B+ football players you can have a pretty good defense.
biggest unknowns this year - what can new staff get out of Carter, XMan and Connelly.
Martinez can't cover and our defense has a track record recently of getting destroyed by TE's. The last thing we needed was another TE who can't cover.
This is what we're talking about. DG repeats signings. He wants to stock up on DT but not address LB who can cover a TE, or pass-rush. And he still hasn't. Year after year it's the same offseason, with awful results in-season.
He has addressed it, you just don't like the direction they chose to go in
Every team has the same problem with coverage linebackers. They aren't a dime a dozen. They are hard to find. Every team has trouble with protection on the O-Line. More and more every year actually. If it was so easy to find these guys, they wouldn't be in such demand when they became available
There are only so many players to go around. And when to have 10-15 teams with enough cap space to do whatever they want, prices are going to be expensive. And it's not smart for a team with so many holes to get into a bidding war for one of them.
but Connelly had shown some potential re: pass rush. And Golden had 12 sacks.
Carter has taken longer, and I think some of it had to do with Bettcher.
Speaking of same - The sports article I'm waiting to be written is "What happened to Bettcher - the guy who churned out all those solid Cards' defenses"?
most of you clown fans would have signed clowney to huge money on the first day and would have given conklin the keys to the castle.
meanwhile in a few years when you cant afford anyone or to extend your QB and RB and you have 25+ a year guy in clowney playing in 10 games a year....then what?
the giants have the need and they know its a need but shopping hungry is DANGEROUS. there isnt much out in the group to say we should have done this or that. the ONLY time ive agreed is that littelton could of maybe been had for 2 mill more per year....that i WOULD have done, but ill leave it up to graham to decide to who fits his scheme best....
im excited for the draft and expect OL early and often. a slight trade back to get some exttra early picks would be great
15 mil per year to a middling CB is smart when the OL is in shambles? 10 mil per to a middling LB is smart?
Conklin would’ve been a great signing especially at the price point he signed. Much better than what the Giants ended up with.
RE: RE: RE: RE: I get the frustration - this is new coaching staff, Volume 3
I think Golden is underrated. look at his numbers and film before the injury and his film and numbers this past year. he's that tier just below those elite pass rushers, IMO. I used to think he was just and effort, hustle type player but he's better than that.
Martinez - I think one of the biggest issues with the Giants the past few years has been the confusion - two years into Bettcher's reign and they were still a mess. I'm think Martinez can handle the job. and he's a solid player. you have a lot of B-B+ football players you can have a pretty good defense.
biggest unknowns this year - what can new staff get out of Carter, XMan and Connelly.
Martinez can't cover and our defense has a track record recently of getting destroyed by TE's. The last thing we needed was another TE who can't cover.
This is what we're talking about. DG repeats signings. He wants to stock up on DT but not address LB who can cover a TE, or pass-rush. And he still hasn't. Year after year it's the same offseason, with awful results in-season.
He has addressed it, you just don't like the direction they chose to go in
Every team has the same problem with coverage linebackers. They aren't a dime a dozen. They are hard to find. Every team has trouble with protection on the O-Line. More and more every year actually. If it was so easy to find these guys, they wouldn't be in such demand when they became available
There are only so many players to go around. And when to have 10-15 teams with enough cap space to do whatever they want, prices are going to be expensive. And it's not smart for a team with so many holes to get into a bidding war for one of them.
Where have they addressed OL and pass-rush?
You said linebackers in your previous post. You don't like the players they chose, fine. But to say they haven't addressed it is twitter bullshit
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: I get the frustration - this is new coaching staff, Volume 3
I think Golden is underrated. look at his numbers and film before the injury and his film and numbers this past year. he's that tier just below those elite pass rushers, IMO. I used to think he was just and effort, hustle type player but he's better than that.
Martinez - I think one of the biggest issues with the Giants the past few years has been the confusion - two years into Bettcher's reign and they were still a mess. I'm think Martinez can handle the job. and he's a solid player. you have a lot of B-B+ football players you can have a pretty good defense.
biggest unknowns this year - what can new staff get out of Carter, XMan and Connelly.
Martinez can't cover and our defense has a track record recently of getting destroyed by TE's. The last thing we needed was another TE who can't cover.
This is what we're talking about. DG repeats signings. He wants to stock up on DT but not address LB who can cover a TE, or pass-rush. And he still hasn't. Year after year it's the same offseason, with awful results in-season.
He has addressed it, you just don't like the direction they chose to go in
Every team has the same problem with coverage linebackers. They aren't a dime a dozen. They are hard to find. Every team has trouble with protection on the O-Line. More and more every year actually. If it was so easy to find these guys, they wouldn't be in such demand when they became available
There are only so many players to go around. And when to have 10-15 teams with enough cap space to do whatever they want, prices are going to be expensive. And it's not smart for a team with so many holes to get into a bidding war for one of them.
Where have they addressed OL and pass-rush?
You said linebackers in your previous post. You don't like the players they chose, fine. But to say they haven't addressed it is twitter bullshit
No. I said OL and pass rush are our two biggest weaknesses and they have not been addressed.
in an offseason before. With the amount of cap out there I was expecting some game changers. We added 3 decent at best defenders and retained a bunch of guys already on the roster of one of the worst giants teams I’ve ever seen. Very disappointed fan right now. I see no signs of things getting better any time soon.
What were you looking for? Clowney, Jones, and Conklin?
Most here know I’m no Dave fan, but he played this well. Time will tell if he acquired the right players. I have my reservations regarding the GB LB’s, but that’s another topic. If you were looking for instant gratification in 2020, you’re probably going to be disappointed. This is still one of the 3-5 least talented rosters in the league and it likely will be throughout 2020. They were never surpassing Dallas or Philadelphia this offseason. I’m ready for a 4-6 win year again, unfortunately. Maybe you should start preparing for that possibility as well. The only silver lining I see in it is maybe, just maybe, John will have seen enough from Dave and send him off into retirement in early 2021....
Intelligent measured assessment has nothing to do with BBI during Free Agency week. LOL.
If people had 'accurate perspective' here, they wouldn't have praised the past several offseasons when they've gotten the same result in season every season of those supposedly good off-seasons. That ship sailed ions ago.
I try to deliver it. I should quit. LOL
This was a mediocre pass rush and OL free agent class
The only OL that deserved the price he got was Castonzo. Yes, that includes Conklin who is overrated here. Who wanted to pay Donte Fowler $16M a year? Or any of this years 'top tier' guys what they got paid?
Those are long term bad decisions. The way you win is to consistently make good long term decisions. That's what we've done so far this year.
The only things I would have done differently is signed Schobert/Littleton/Kwiatkoski at their price before giving Martinez $10M. And I would have signed McGovern at OC for his price. Of course we don't know the details of offers, negotiations etc for the players we inquired about. You can't make players sign with you.
They drafted how many CBs the last 2 years? and then they spend their one big deal on a CB like Bradberry who I like, but still whats the plan?. Linebackers is basically a revolving door from average to below average, Littleton would have been a piece you could build with.. He constantly drafts defensive tackles despite having how many? THey're not push rushers, you dont need 10 of them.
Seriously, obviously we're in a rebuild, but what exactly is the plan here?
This is spot on! All those moves to create cap space and we end up with no game changers and still a good amount of holes to fill. And limited cap space remaining.
Who? Who are these "game-changers" out there in FA?
People just have no idea what they want but one thing is for certain, the Giants can't do anything right.
I hate New Yorkers
People just have no idea what they want but one thing is for certain, the Giants can't do anything right.
I hate New Yorkers
The Giants have earned any trust in years for people to believe they did anything right.. show it on the field with results.
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in an offseason before. With the amount of cap out there I was expecting some game changers. We added 3 decent at best defenders and retained a bunch of guys already on the roster of one of the worst giants teams I’ve ever seen. Very disappointed fan right now. I see no signs of things getting better any time soon.
This is spot on! All those moves to create cap space and we end up with no game changers and still a good amount of holes to fill. And limited cap space remaining.
Obviously you weren't around from 65 to 80
People just have no idea what they want but one thing is for certain, the Giants can't do anything right.
I hate New Yorkers
We want the two biggest weaknesses of the team to be fixed. OL and pass-rush. Neither of those two aspects have even been addressed yet nevermind fixed. Pretty simple.
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that I'm seeing on twitter and on facebook from friends
People just have no idea what they want but one thing is for certain, the Giants can't do anything right.
I hate New Yorkers
The Giants havent earned any trust in years for people to believe they did anything right.. show it on the field with results.
Yet again they just cant get anything done at OL or pass rush.
its not just Gettleman, Reese ignored both for years too or missed big time.
Accurate perspective helps.
Accurate perspective helps.
So much this 👏👆
No one wants to lose continuously, and thats all the Giants have been doing for years. ITs like the Knicks, you have trouble attracting talent.
Obviously you weren't around from 65 to 80 [/quote]
Lol...right your are😀. My fandom with Big Blue started around ‘82. I
Gettleman has many faults, but what surefire improvement at OL or Pass Rusher was available that we passed on in Free Agency? Let's also not act like CB and LB weren't needs. Do you really want to go into the season with one of Ballentine, oft-injured Beal, and Grant Haley as your #2 CB and the others as your depth? LB we had Mayo, who is a depth LB not a starter in an ideal world, and Ryan Connelly who nobody knows how he will look coming back from a serious injury.
most of you clown fans would have signed clowney to huge money on the first day and would have given conklin the keys to the castle.
meanwhile in a few years when you cant afford anyone or to extend your QB and RB and you have 25+ a year guy in clowney playing in 10 games a year....then what?
the giants have the need and they know its a need but shopping hungry is DANGEROUS. there isnt much out in the group to say we should have done this or that. the ONLY time ive agreed is that littelton could of maybe been had for 2 mill more per year....that i WOULD have done, but ill leave it up to graham to decide to who fits his scheme best....
im excited for the draft and expect OL early and often. a slight trade back to get some exttra early picks would be great
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This GM is inept. 2 Glaring needs for forever it seems. O line and Pass Rushers. Never addressed once again. I know its early but could of picked up a couple guys to address this. Instead we get another D-back and 2 linebackers. Could of got a starting linebacker with our first pick. We already spent a bunch of our cap. Seems like deja vu all over again. I think Mara is just as clueless to keep him around. Looks like another long season
Gettleman has many faults, but what surefire improvement at OL or Pass Rusher was available that we passed on in Free Agency? Let's also not act like CB and LB weren't needs. Do you really want to go into the season with one of Ballentine, oft-injured Beal, and Grant Haley as your #2 CB and the others as your depth? LB we had Mayo, who is a depth LB not a starter in an ideal world, and Ryan Connelly who nobody knows how he will look coming back from a serious injury.
its about who he went after tho. He went for another guy good against the run but not against the pass. Littleton made much more sense to go after than Martinez did.
One of those LB is an OLB who is a pass rusher. Pay attention.
No argument there. But our needs can be addressed, and they haven't up to this point. Now, I know they will be addressed in the draft. But they'll be rookies and some might not be ready to contribute right off the bat. Besides, as we all know, the best teams are a mix of good, proven vets and rookies. We might get our hands on some good rookies, but alot of our vets just aren't good enough. In 2005 we had guys like Plax, Pierce, and McKenzie. Sorry but Martinez, Golden, and the like don't come close to those guys.
most of you clown fans would have signed clowney to huge money on the first day and would have given conklin the keys to the castle.
meanwhile in a few years when you cant afford anyone or to extend your QB and RB and you have 25+ a year guy in clowney playing in 10 games a year....then what?
the giants have the need and they know its a need but shopping hungry is DANGEROUS. there isnt much out in the group to say we should have done this or that. the ONLY time ive agreed is that littelton could of maybe been had for 2 mill more per year....that i WOULD have done, but ill leave it up to graham to decide to who fits his scheme best....
im excited for the draft and expect OL early and often. a slight trade back to get some exttra early picks would be great
You said the same shit last year and the year before, and we won a combined 9 games in those two seasons.
I'd be careful who I call a 'clown fan,' tbh.
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In comment 14841333 Rondon said:
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This GM is inept. 2 Glaring needs for forever it seems. O line and Pass Rushers. Never addressed once again. I know its early but could of picked up a couple guys to address this. Instead we get another D-back and 2 linebackers. Could of got a starting linebacker with our first pick. We already spent a bunch of our cap. Seems like deja vu all over again. I think Mara is just as clueless to keep him around. Looks like another long season
Gettleman has many faults, but what surefire improvement at OL or Pass Rusher was available that we passed on in Free Agency? Let's also not act like CB and LB weren't needs. Do you really want to go into the season with one of Ballentine, oft-injured Beal, and Grant Haley as your #2 CB and the others as your depth? LB we had Mayo, who is a depth LB not a starter in an ideal world, and Ryan Connelly who nobody knows how he will look coming back from a serious injury.
its about who he went after tho. He went for another guy good against the run but not against the pass. Littleton made much more sense to go after than Martinez did.
I agree I would rather have targeted Littleton. However, we don't know what happens behind the scenes. If Patrick Graham said that Martinez is the LB he needs to run his Defense and that he can get him back to the form he showed in 2017 and 2018 should the GM just ignore that? How many times under Jim Fassel did we have Ernie Accorsi selecting players who could not possibly fit the schemes we were running?
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In comment 14841333 Rondon said:
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This GM is inept. 2 Glaring needs for forever it seems. O line and Pass Rushers. Never addressed once again. I know its early but could of picked up a couple guys to address this. Instead we get another D-back and 2 linebackers. Could of got a starting linebacker with our first pick. We already spent a bunch of our cap. Seems like deja vu all over again. I think Mara is just as clueless to keep him around. Looks like another long season
Gettleman has many faults, but what surefire improvement at OL or Pass Rusher was available that we passed on in Free Agency? Let's also not act like CB and LB weren't needs. Do you really want to go into the season with one of Ballentine, oft-injured Beal, and Grant Haley as your #2 CB and the others as your depth? LB we had Mayo, who is a depth LB not a starter in an ideal world, and Ryan Connelly who nobody knows how he will look coming back from a serious injury.
its about who he went after tho. He went for another guy good against the run but not against the pass. Littleton made much more sense to go after than Martinez did.
I agree I would rather have targeted Littleton. However, we don't know what happens behind the scenes. If Patrick Graham said that Martinez is the LB he needs to run his Defense and that he can get him back to the form he showed in 2017 and 2018 should the GM just ignore that? How many times under Jim Fassel did we have Ernie Accorsi selecting players who could not possibly fit the schemes we were running?
And with a new Head Coach and brand new coaching staff, they are in Year One of that re-build.
Sorry to those who thought otherwise.
They are going to build this team primarily through the Draft (which includes the past two Drafts), and allow all the young players to grow up together on the field and in the locker room. That also includes 26-year old James Bradberry (and 25-year old Leonard Williams).
Once a critical mass occurs, then the Giants will probably purchase a very expensive free agent or two in the hope that they represent the final piece for a serious playoff run.
But that is not what the 2020 Free Agency Season is all about.
Not at all.
Martinez - I think one of the biggest issues with the Giants the past few years has been the confusion - two years into Bettcher's reign and they were still a mess. I'm think Martinez can handle the job. and he's a solid player. you have a lot of B-B+ football players you can have a pretty good defense.
biggest unknowns this year - what can new staff get out of Carter, XMan and Connelly.
I'm not saying FA is unimportant or should be avoided altogether - just that rarely are the teams who make the biggest splash rewarded with the best results. Free agency is a way to supplement a roster and fill holes temporarily, not build a winner. Isn't that pretty universally accepted?
So far they've been prudent spending $ which is more than half of the battle. And secondarily they've added players the coaches have experience with - so the success of this FA will be heavily weighted towards how good or bad those coaches are (particularly Graham since he's coached 2 of the 3 defensive players signed).
Philly drafts well, and they know when to get in and get out. That simple.
Martinez - I think one of the biggest issues with the Giants the past few years has been the confusion - two years into Bettcher's reign and they were still a mess. I'm think Martinez can handle the job. and he's a solid player. you have a lot of B-B+ football players you can have a pretty good defense.
biggest unknowns this year - what can new staff get out of Carter, XMan and Connelly.
Martinez can't cover and our defense has a track record recently of getting destroyed by TE's. The last thing we needed was another TE who can't cover.
This is what we're talking about. DG repeats signings. He wants to stock up on DT but not address LB who can cover a TE, or pass-rush. And he still hasn't. Year after year it's the same offseason, with awful results in-season.
If people had 'accurate perspective' here, they wouldn't have praised the past several offseasons when they've gotten the same result in season every season of those supposedly good off-seasons. That ship sailed ions ago.
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I think Golden is underrated. look at his numbers and film before the injury and his film and numbers this past year. he's that tier just below those elite pass rushers, IMO. I used to think he was just and effort, hustle type player but he's better than that.
Martinez - I think one of the biggest issues with the Giants the past few years has been the confusion - two years into Bettcher's reign and they were still a mess. I'm think Martinez can handle the job. and he's a solid player. you have a lot of B-B+ football players you can have a pretty good defense.
biggest unknowns this year - what can new staff get out of Carter, XMan and Connelly.
Martinez can't cover and our defense has a track record recently of getting destroyed by TE's. The last thing we needed was another TE who can't cover.
This is what we're talking about. DG repeats signings. He wants to stock up on DT but not address LB who can cover a TE, or pass-rush. And he still hasn't. Year after year it's the same offseason, with awful results in-season.
He has addressed it, you just don't like the direction they chose to go in
Every team has the same problem with coverage linebackers. They aren't a dime a dozen. They are hard to find. Every team has trouble with protection on the O-Line. More and more every year actually. If it was so easy to find these guys, they wouldn't be in such demand when they became available
There are only so many players to go around. And when to have 10-15 teams with enough cap space to do whatever they want, prices are going to be expensive. And it's not smart for a team with so many holes to get into a bidding war for one of them.
What is ironic is, BBI would kill for a Will Beatty right now.
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In comment 14841390 bc4life said:
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I think Golden is underrated. look at his numbers and film before the injury and his film and numbers this past year. he's that tier just below those elite pass rushers, IMO. I used to think he was just and effort, hustle type player but he's better than that.
Martinez - I think one of the biggest issues with the Giants the past few years has been the confusion - two years into Bettcher's reign and they were still a mess. I'm think Martinez can handle the job. and he's a solid player. you have a lot of B-B+ football players you can have a pretty good defense.
biggest unknowns this year - what can new staff get out of Carter, XMan and Connelly.
Martinez can't cover and our defense has a track record recently of getting destroyed by TE's. The last thing we needed was another TE who can't cover.
This is what we're talking about. DG repeats signings. He wants to stock up on DT but not address LB who can cover a TE, or pass-rush. And he still hasn't. Year after year it's the same offseason, with awful results in-season.
He has addressed it, you just don't like the direction they chose to go in
Every team has the same problem with coverage linebackers. They aren't a dime a dozen. They are hard to find. Every team has trouble with protection on the O-Line. More and more every year actually. If it was so easy to find these guys, they wouldn't be in such demand when they became available
There are only so many players to go around. And when to have 10-15 teams with enough cap space to do whatever they want, prices are going to be expensive. And it's not smart for a team with so many holes to get into a bidding war for one of them.
Where have they addressed OL and pass-rush?
Carter has taken longer, and I think some of it had to do with Bettcher.
Speaking of same - The sports article I'm waiting to be written is "What happened to Bettcher - the guy who churned out all those solid Cards' defenses"?
most of you clown fans would have signed clowney to huge money on the first day and would have given conklin the keys to the castle.
meanwhile in a few years when you cant afford anyone or to extend your QB and RB and you have 25+ a year guy in clowney playing in 10 games a year....then what?
the giants have the need and they know its a need but shopping hungry is DANGEROUS. there isnt much out in the group to say we should have done this or that. the ONLY time ive agreed is that littelton could of maybe been had for 2 mill more per year....that i WOULD have done, but ill leave it up to graham to decide to who fits his scheme best....
im excited for the draft and expect OL early and often. a slight trade back to get some exttra early picks would be great
15 mil per year to a middling CB is smart when the OL is in shambles? 10 mil per to a middling LB is smart?
Conklin would’ve been a great signing especially at the price point he signed. Much better than what the Giants ended up with.
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In comment 14841399 Dave in Hoboken said:
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In comment 14841390 bc4life said:
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I think Golden is underrated. look at his numbers and film before the injury and his film and numbers this past year. he's that tier just below those elite pass rushers, IMO. I used to think he was just and effort, hustle type player but he's better than that.
Martinez - I think one of the biggest issues with the Giants the past few years has been the confusion - two years into Bettcher's reign and they were still a mess. I'm think Martinez can handle the job. and he's a solid player. you have a lot of B-B+ football players you can have a pretty good defense.
biggest unknowns this year - what can new staff get out of Carter, XMan and Connelly.
Martinez can't cover and our defense has a track record recently of getting destroyed by TE's. The last thing we needed was another TE who can't cover.
This is what we're talking about. DG repeats signings. He wants to stock up on DT but not address LB who can cover a TE, or pass-rush. And he still hasn't. Year after year it's the same offseason, with awful results in-season.
He has addressed it, you just don't like the direction they chose to go in
Every team has the same problem with coverage linebackers. They aren't a dime a dozen. They are hard to find. Every team has trouble with protection on the O-Line. More and more every year actually. If it was so easy to find these guys, they wouldn't be in such demand when they became available
There are only so many players to go around. And when to have 10-15 teams with enough cap space to do whatever they want, prices are going to be expensive. And it's not smart for a team with so many holes to get into a bidding war for one of them.
Where have they addressed OL and pass-rush?
You said linebackers in your previous post. You don't like the players they chose, fine. But to say they haven't addressed it is twitter bullshit
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In comment 14841408 Giants in 07 said:
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In comment 14841399 Dave in Hoboken said:
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In comment 14841390 bc4life said:
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I think Golden is underrated. look at his numbers and film before the injury and his film and numbers this past year. he's that tier just below those elite pass rushers, IMO. I used to think he was just and effort, hustle type player but he's better than that.
Martinez - I think one of the biggest issues with the Giants the past few years has been the confusion - two years into Bettcher's reign and they were still a mess. I'm think Martinez can handle the job. and he's a solid player. you have a lot of B-B+ football players you can have a pretty good defense.
biggest unknowns this year - what can new staff get out of Carter, XMan and Connelly.
Martinez can't cover and our defense has a track record recently of getting destroyed by TE's. The last thing we needed was another TE who can't cover.
This is what we're talking about. DG repeats signings. He wants to stock up on DT but not address LB who can cover a TE, or pass-rush. And he still hasn't. Year after year it's the same offseason, with awful results in-season.
He has addressed it, you just don't like the direction they chose to go in
Every team has the same problem with coverage linebackers. They aren't a dime a dozen. They are hard to find. Every team has trouble with protection on the O-Line. More and more every year actually. If it was so easy to find these guys, they wouldn't be in such demand when they became available
There are only so many players to go around. And when to have 10-15 teams with enough cap space to do whatever they want, prices are going to be expensive. And it's not smart for a team with so many holes to get into a bidding war for one of them.
Where have they addressed OL and pass-rush?
You said linebackers in your previous post. You don't like the players they chose, fine. But to say they haven't addressed it is twitter bullshit
No. I said OL and pass rush are our two biggest weaknesses and they have not been addressed.
What were you looking for? Clowney, Jones, and Conklin?
Most here know I’m no Dave fan, but he played this well. Time will tell if he acquired the right players. I have my reservations regarding the GB LB’s, but that’s another topic. If you were looking for instant gratification in 2020, you’re probably going to be disappointed. This is still one of the 3-5 least talented rosters in the league and it likely will be throughout 2020. They were never surpassing Dallas or Philadelphia this offseason. I’m ready for a 4-6 win year again, unfortunately. Maybe you should start preparing for that possibility as well. The only silver lining I see in it is maybe, just maybe, John will have seen enough from Dave and send him off into retirement in early 2021....
Although I am expecting Hernandez to bounce back after a sophomore slump
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Intelligent measured assessment has nothing to do with BBI during Free Agency week. LOL.
If people had 'accurate perspective' here, they wouldn't have praised the past several offseasons when they've gotten the same result in season every season of those supposedly good off-seasons. That ship sailed ions ago.
I try to deliver it. I should quit. LOL
Those are long term bad decisions. The way you win is to consistently make good long term decisions. That's what we've done so far this year.
The only things I would have done differently is signed Schobert/Littleton/Kwiatkoski at their price before giving Martinez $10M. And I would have signed McGovern at OC for his price. Of course we don't know the details of offers, negotiations etc for the players we inquired about. You can't make players sign with you.
Seriously, obviously we're in a rebuild, but what exactly is the plan here?