Art Stapleton @art_stapleton
The Giants are keeping the $ on the front side of these new contracts so when they are positioned to contend they can have the space to add more pricey pieces down the road, especially with expanding cap.
This is a smart philosophical change for a team in rebuilding mode.
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Nate Solder is due a $3M bonus if he's on the Giants' roster when the new league starts at 4 p.m. Solder will have a $19.5M cap hit in 2020 (second-highest of any OL behind Trent Brown).
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The Giants have used their cap space to totally front load their cap hits. It's a big change in their contract structure. Instead of signing bonuses they've given big roster bonuses Year 1. A month ago I broke down the benefits of this structure
Ralph Vacchiano
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This is true (and an interesting read) ... Giants are front-loading these deals, which will give them more flexibility, more options, and more room to spend in future years.
It also makes it easier to get out if the deals go bad (although they're all short-term anyway).
Let's see how this plays out, but I like the direction we are taking.
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In comment 14840234 BleedBlue said.....
.....Yeah, maybe they wanted to front load it, to preserve some cap in future years when hopefully they are ready to contend if it doesn't happen this year. I don't mind it actually.
Year 3 they can cut Martinez with no dead money.
Here is a link to OTC.
We have less space than I thought.
Giants are at $33M before Bradberry's contract and that IMO will have at least a $10M year 1 cap hit.
So this is bigger than football.
And in terms of football, I think there is a pretty good chance that Solder May return to strong play under a NE HC that he is familiar with the atmosphere he is bringing and Solder can be valuable in establishing it and a new staff and new philosophy on the OL as literally everyone underperformed or regressed under the old one.
Lets give Nate Solder a second chance.
@DDuggan21
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Nate Solder is due a $3M bonus if he's on the Giants' roster when the new league starts at 4 p.m. Solder will have a $19.5M cap hit in 2020 (second-highest of any OL behind Trent Brown).
That's just depressing...
2020 season will be all about development and growth. I want to see improvement from week to week, not the same mistakes constantly being made. I'm not expecting anything more than an 8-8 season at best, but I am expecting to see a better, more competitive, product out there than the one we have been watching the past couple season.
It's not "when they are in position to contend", it's "if", and that "if" depends on a home-run draft and the 2019 class stepping up big time.
Yeah, so far all we've done is replaced (and hopefully, upgraded) Jenkins, Ogletree, and Ellison. We all know the Giants need to draft well to really build a winner.
Good on him.
Good on him.
wouldn't 360 degrees "different" be the exact same way? I mean it is a full circle, right?
Maybe this is 180 degrees different?
Also, I was told there would be no math.
Good on him.
Whats crazy to me is that there are people still on this board that are screaming for them to spend more money because. "they are sick of the losing" . I mean how do you think this team got into this to begin with. We wend on a spending spree like we were contenders when Jerry's ass was on the line, bought us one good year and then right back to where we were at. The Solder contract was a desperation heave for eli's last "window".
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Gettleman is handling this reboot 360* different, and 100% better than his first go in 2018.
Good on him.
wouldn't 360 degrees "different" be the exact same way? I mean it is a full circle, right?
Maybe this is 180 degrees different?
Also, I was told there would be no math.
Lol. Oh yeah. Maybe I'm the one going in circles.
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Gettleman is handling this reboot 360* different, and 100% better than his first go in 2018.
Good on him.
Whats crazy to me is that there are people still on this board that are screaming for them to spend more money because. "they are sick of the losing" . I mean how do you think this team got into this to begin with. We wend on a spending spree like we were contenders when Jerry's ass was on the line, bought us one good year and then right back to where we were at. The Solder contract was a desperation heave for eli's last "window".
Lost in the emotion, is that Gettleman spent an incredible amount of money in 2018. More than Reese spent in 2016. It was a terrible approach.
Start him at either OT spot depending on where it is best to play the upcoming rookie OT.
Good on him.
180, not 360, but I get your point and it's a good one. I've been killing Gettleman for a while now, but so far I like what he's done (with the exception of the Martinez signing), and the way he's done it.
Hopefully our draft picks will be deserving of big contracts in the near future
at least 60 million spent and all he did was slightly upgrade JJ, slightly upgrade Ogletree, slightly downgrade Markus Golden and replace the blocking TE...
Hopefully our draft picks will be deserving of big contracts in the near future
^This. It is the right way to do these deals.
Year 1 includes a $12M roster bonus and cap hit of $16M. Again no signing bonus. Clearly a philosophical shift from #Giants this offseason.”
at least 60 million spent and all he did was slightly upgrade JJ, slightly upgrade Ogletree, slightly downgrade Markus Golden and replace the blocking TE...
And what's even more amazing is that most of the posters here are drinking the Kool Aid too. Like they've been doing for three seasons running.
And these same people are now bitching that he didn't go on a spending spree. LOL
at least 60 million spent and all he did was slightly upgrade JJ, slightly upgrade Ogletree, slightly downgrade Markus Golden and replace the blocking TE...
I am not a fan of the Martinez signing for what we have paid for him as I stated elsewhere, but I think he and Bradberry are more than slight upgrades over the players they replaced. That being said, we had 2 years of press-man CB's playing a zone scheme so perhaps JJ looking like crap could be attributed to that. For as much as he talked, he was getting beat a lot last year and when you have a rookie CB opposite you that can't be happening.
at least 60 million spent and all he did was slightly upgrade JJ, slightly upgrade Ogletree, slightly downgrade Markus Golden and replace the blocking TE...
Funny, last time I checked a double digit sack guy qualified as a pass rusher. And free agency isn’t over. And we haven’t drafted yet. Cool story though!
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DG has basically spent all of the available cap room and we STILL have no pass rush and no O-line.
at least 60 million spent and all he did was slightly upgrade JJ, slightly upgrade Ogletree, slightly downgrade Markus Golden and replace the blocking TE...
Funny, last time I checked a double digit sack guy qualified as a pass rusher. And free agency isn’t over. And we haven’t drafted yet. Cool story though!
If you want to think the guy who had 3 seasons with 3 or less sacks and one season with 10.5 sacks is going to solve the Giants pass rushing woes, be my guest.
Let him go play for a winner.
So far these huge RB contracts haven't worked out so well for teams.
I stand corrected and am very happy to have been wrong in assuming the Giants (and Abrams specifically) were too staid to evolve on this front.
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DG has basically spent all of the available cap room and we STILL have no pass rush and no O-line.
at least 60 million spent and all he did was slightly upgrade JJ, slightly upgrade Ogletree, slightly downgrade Markus Golden and replace the blocking TE...
Funny, last time I checked a double digit sack guy qualified as a pass rusher. And free agency isn’t over. And we haven’t drafted yet. Cool story though!
If you want to think the guy who had 3 seasons with 3 or less sacks and one season with 10.5 sacks is going to solve the Giants pass rushing woes, be my guest.
But that 10.5 sack season was the one year he played for our current DC
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DG has basically spent all of the available cap room and we STILL have no pass rush and no O-line.
at least 60 million spent and all he did was slightly upgrade JJ, slightly upgrade Ogletree, slightly downgrade Markus Golden and replace the blocking TE...
Funny, last time I checked a double digit sack guy qualified as a pass rusher. And free agency isn’t over. And we haven’t drafted yet. Cool story though!
If you want to think the guy who had 3 seasons with 3 or less sacks and one season with 10.5 sacks is going to solve the Giants pass rushing woes, be my guest.
But that 10.5 sack season was the one year he played for our current DC
I know, but relying on those types of correlations hasn't really worked out in the past.
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DG has basically spent all of the available cap room and we STILL have no pass rush and no O-line.
at least 60 million spent and all he did was slightly upgrade JJ, slightly upgrade Ogletree, slightly downgrade Markus Golden and replace the blocking TE...
And what's even more amazing is that most of the posters here are drinking the Kool Aid too. Like they've been doing for three seasons running.
Did you really reply to your own post? Good grief
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DG has basically spent all of the available cap room and we STILL have no pass rush and no O-line.
at least 60 million spent and all he did was slightly upgrade JJ, slightly upgrade Ogletree, slightly downgrade Markus Golden and replace the blocking TE...
And what's even more amazing is that most of the posters here are drinking the Kool Aid too. Like they've been doing for three seasons running.
Did you really reply to your own post? Good grief
Yeah, the perils of no edit button
^^^This^^^. So we have better flexibility down the road, yet we spent some good coin on a DB despite spending a good amount if draft capital on DBs the past few years. These draft picks better hit!
I know, but relying on those types of correlations hasn't really worked out in the past.
I'd say Gettleman is/was 1-4 in this department. Worked with Golden (coincidentally also a pass rusher), failed with Bethea and to a lesser extent K Martin and Buccannon.
*maybe 2-5? Wasn't there a DL we signed from AZ in 2018 to 1 year vet min that ended up netting us a comp pick?
I stand corrected and am very happy to have been wrong in assuming the Giants (and Abrams specifically) were too staid to evolve on this front.
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I know, but relying on those types of correlations hasn't really worked out in the past.
I'd say Gettleman is/was 1-4 in this department. Worked with Golden (coincidentally also a pass rusher), failed with Bethea and to a lesser extent K Martin and Buccannon.
*maybe 2-5? Wasn't there a DL we signed from AZ in 2018 to 1 year vet min that ended up netting us a comp pick?
The one good thing Josh Mauro did for us
So this is bigger than football.
And in terms of football, I think there is a pretty good chance that Solder May return to strong play under a NE HC that he is familiar with the atmosphere he is bringing and Solder can be valuable in establishing it and a new staff and new philosophy on the OL as literally everyone underperformed or regressed under the old one.
Lets give Nate Solder a second chance.
Why are we turning a football conversation into a personal/emotional conversation? Also what does coronavirus have to do with nate Solder being a below-average tackle essentially since the day he signed here?
You cant make football decisions that way. It's a business. The giants have a limited amount of resources and a long way to go to be a decent team. There is no room to make excuses for one of your highest paid players to play poorly because of issues in his home life. The league isn't going to make an exception for the fact that the Giants arent getting good play from nate Solder because his kid is sick. Plenty of players have come through this franchise and played poorly and not received any sympathy for dealing with serious injuries and trying to play through pain with reduced performance.