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Key point mentioned by Stapleton about new contracts

Eric from BBI : Admin : 3/18/2020 9:42 am
Art Stapleton @art_stapleton

The Giants are keeping the $ on the front side of these new contracts so when they are positioned to contend they can have the space to add more pricey pieces down the road, especially with expanding cap.

This is a smart philosophical change for a team in rebuilding mode.
also  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 3/18/2020 9:43 am : link
Dan Duggan
@DDuggan21
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24m
Nate Solder is due a $3M bonus if he's on the Giants' roster when the new league starts at 4 p.m. Solder will have a $19.5M cap hit in 2020 (second-highest of any OL behind Trent Brown).
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 3/18/2020 9:44 am : link
Dan Duggan
@DDuggan21
· 51m
The Giants have used their cap space to totally front load their cap hits. It's a big change in their contract structure. Instead of signing bonuses they've given big roster bonuses Year 1. A month ago I broke down the benefits of this structure

Ralph Vacchiano
@RVacchianoSNY
This is true (and an interesting read) ... Giants are front-loading these deals, which will give them more flexibility, more options, and more room to spend in future years.

It also makes it easier to get out if the deals go bad (although they're all short-term anyway).
It is refreshing to see we aren't leaking or spending dumbly.  
GiantBlue : 3/18/2020 9:44 am : link
I feel we have true stewards in control finally.

Let's see how this plays out, but I like the direction we are taking.
Key point also made my pjcas18 in the Floyd thread  
pjcas18 : 3/18/2020 9:46 am : link
yesterday, before these clowns.

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pjcas18 : 3/17/2020 9:54 pm : link : reply
In comment 14840234 BleedBlue said.....


.....Yeah, maybe they wanted to front load it, to preserve some cap in future years when hopefully they are ready to contend if it doesn't happen this year. I don't mind it actually.

Year 3 they can cut Martinez with no dead money.

Here is a link to OTC.

We have less space than I thought.

Giants are at $33M before Bradberry's contract and that IMO will have at least a $10M year 1 cap hit.
But remember one thing guys  
Carl in CT : 3/18/2020 9:50 am : link
We might be smarter with future cap but we are also not a better team. Talent will suffer. Tell that to Barkley when his contract is up and he wants to play on a winner.
I hope we keep Solder  
twostepgiants : 3/18/2020 9:51 am : link
In today’s times we are learning that there are more important things and Solders kid is literally going through Chemo for tumor as we speak and I understand his wife is pregnant and that is one of the most at risk groups of Coronavirus.

So this is bigger than football.

And in terms of football, I think there is a pretty good chance that Solder May return to strong play under a NE HC that he is familiar with the atmosphere he is bringing and Solder can be valuable in establishing it and a new staff and new philosophy on the OL as literally everyone underperformed or regressed under the old one.

Lets give Nate Solder a second chance.
RE: also  
nyjuggernaut2 : 3/18/2020 9:52 am : link
In comment 14840584 Eric from BBI said:
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Dan Duggan
@DDuggan21
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24m
Nate Solder is due a $3M bonus if he's on the Giants' roster when the new league starts at 4 p.m. Solder will have a $19.5M cap hit in 2020 (second-highest of any OL behind Trent Brown).


That's just depressing...

2020 season will be all about development and growth. I want to see improvement from week to week, not the same mistakes constantly being made. I'm not expecting anything more than an 8-8 season at best, but I am expecting to see a better, more competitive, product out there than the one we have been watching the past couple season.
Knicks have a lot of flexibility too but don't have any good players  
shyster : 3/18/2020 9:55 am : link
As things stand, Barkley will be the only position player on the 2020 roster who has made a Pro Bowl in the last three seasons.

It's not "when they are in position to contend", it's "if", and that "if" depends on a home-run draft and the 2019 class stepping up big time.
like that  
djm : 3/18/2020 9:56 am : link
...lets nail this draft and fortify the OL finally...and go to work
RE: But remember one thing guys  
mfsd : 3/18/2020 9:57 am : link
In comment 14840603 Carl in CT said:
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We might be smarter with future cap but we are also not a better team. Talent will suffer. Tell that to Barkley when his contract is up and he wants to play on a winner.


Yeah, so far all we've done is replaced (and hopefully, upgraded) Jenkins, Ogletree, and Ellison. We all know the Giants need to draft well to really build a winner.
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christian : 3/18/2020 9:59 am : link
Gettleman is handling this reboot 360* different, and 100% better than his first go in 2018.

Good on him.
DG fucked up year 1 by overestimating where this team was at,  
Zeke's Alibi : 3/18/2020 10:01 am : link
but realized his mistake and changed course and we clearly have a long term plan in place. Seems like many peoples fears of DG going on a spending spree because his ass was on the line hasn't materialized. And this is one of the benefits of having a stable franchise. Do the right thing and your ass wont be out the door.
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pjcas18 : 3/18/2020 10:02 am : link
In comment 14840636 christian said:
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Gettleman is handling this reboot 360* different, and 100% better than his first go in 2018.

Good on him.


wouldn't 360 degrees "different" be the exact same way? I mean it is a full circle, right?

Maybe this is 180 degrees different?

Also, I was told there would be no math.
RE: ...  
Zeke's Alibi : 3/18/2020 10:04 am : link
In comment 14840636 christian said:
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Gettleman is handling this reboot 360* different, and 100% better than his first go in 2018.

Good on him.


Whats crazy to me is that there are people still on this board that are screaming for them to spend more money because. "they are sick of the losing" . I mean how do you think this team got into this to begin with. We wend on a spending spree like we were contenders when Jerry's ass was on the line, bought us one good year and then right back to where we were at. The Solder contract was a desperation heave for eli's last "window".
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christian : 3/18/2020 10:05 am : link
In comment 14840647 pjcas18 said:
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Gettleman is handling this reboot 360* different, and 100% better than his first go in 2018.

Good on him.



wouldn't 360 degrees "different" be the exact same way? I mean it is a full circle, right?

Maybe this is 180 degrees different?

Also, I was told there would be no math.


Lol. Oh yeah. Maybe I'm the one going in circles.
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christian : 3/18/2020 10:06 am : link
In comment 14840648 Zeke's Alibi said:
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Gettleman is handling this reboot 360* different, and 100% better than his first go in 2018.

Good on him.



Whats crazy to me is that there are people still on this board that are screaming for them to spend more money because. "they are sick of the losing" . I mean how do you think this team got into this to begin with. We wend on a spending spree like we were contenders when Jerry's ass was on the line, bought us one good year and then right back to where we were at. The Solder contract was a desperation heave for eli's last "window".


Lost in the emotion, is that Gettleman spent an incredible amount of money in 2018. More than Reese spent in 2016. It was a terrible approach.
Solder  
Rong5611 : 3/18/2020 10:06 am : link
Likely stays this year, I think. Personal things aside, I get why that's a good reason to keep him, it would be prohibitive to cut him. The hit on the cap would too big as I understand it.

Start him at either OT spot depending on where it is best to play the upcoming rookie OT.
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Klaatu : 3/18/2020 10:07 am : link
In comment 14840636 christian said:
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Gettleman is handling this reboot 360* different, and 100% better than his first go in 2018.

Good on him.


180, not 360, but I get your point and it's a good one. I've been killing Gettleman for a while now, but so far I like what he's done (with the exception of the Martinez signing), and the way he's done it.
Christian exactly we rolled the dice on Solder like we were contenders  
Zeke's Alibi : 3/18/2020 10:11 am : link
If Solder played well what was the upside of paying him, 8-8? We went way above and beyond in Solders contract because the franchise was so emotionally attached to Eli they couldn't see the forest for the trees.

I like it.  
ron mexico : 3/18/2020 10:14 am : link
Seems like a smart strategy.

Hopefully our draft picks will be deserving of big contracts in the near future
It's amazing  
madeinstars : 3/18/2020 10:16 am : link
DG has basically spent all of the available cap room and we STILL have no pass rush and no O-line.

at least 60 million spent and all he did was slightly upgrade JJ, slightly upgrade Ogletree, slightly downgrade Markus Golden and replace the blocking TE...
RE: I like it.  
AcidTest : 3/18/2020 10:16 am : link
In comment 14840677 ron mexico said:
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Seems like a smart strategy.

Hopefully our draft picks will be deserving of big contracts in the near future


^This. It is the right way to do these deals.
Ranaan  
Saquads26 : 3/18/2020 10:16 am : link
“ James Bradberry contract details: three years, $43.5 million. It has $31.8M guaranteed.

Year 1 includes a $12M roster bonus and cap hit of $16M. Again no signing bonus. Clearly a philosophical shift from #Giants this offseason.”
RE: It's amazing  
madeinstars : 3/18/2020 10:17 am : link
In comment 14840679 madeinstars said:
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DG has basically spent all of the available cap room and we STILL have no pass rush and no O-line.

at least 60 million spent and all he did was slightly upgrade JJ, slightly upgrade Ogletree, slightly downgrade Markus Golden and replace the blocking TE...


And what's even more amazing is that most of the posters here are drinking the Kool Aid too. Like they've been doing for three seasons running.
RE: DG fucked up year 1 by overestimating where this team was at,  
ZogZerg : 3/18/2020 10:19 am : link
In comment 14840641 Zeke's Alibi said:
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but realized his mistake and changed course and we clearly have a long term plan in place. Seems like many peoples fears of DG going on a spending spree because his ass was on the line hasn't materialized. And this is one of the benefits of having a stable franchise. Do the right thing and your ass wont be out the door.


And these same people are now bitching that he didn't go on a spending spree. LOL
RE: It's amazing  
Mike in NY : 3/18/2020 10:19 am : link
In comment 14840679 madeinstars said:
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DG has basically spent all of the available cap room and we STILL have no pass rush and no O-line.

at least 60 million spent and all he did was slightly upgrade JJ, slightly upgrade Ogletree, slightly downgrade Markus Golden and replace the blocking TE...


I am not a fan of the Martinez signing for what we have paid for him as I stated elsewhere, but I think he and Bradberry are more than slight upgrades over the players they replaced. That being said, we had 2 years of press-man CB's playing a zone scheme so perhaps JJ looking like crap could be attributed to that. For as much as he talked, he was getting beat a lot last year and when you have a rookie CB opposite you that can't be happening.
RE: It's amazing  
Saquads26 : 3/18/2020 10:19 am : link
In comment 14840679 madeinstars said:
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DG has basically spent all of the available cap room and we STILL have no pass rush and no O-line.

at least 60 million spent and all he did was slightly upgrade JJ, slightly upgrade Ogletree, slightly downgrade Markus Golden and replace the blocking TE...


Funny, last time I checked a double digit sack guy qualified as a pass rusher. And free agency isn’t over. And we haven’t drafted yet. Cool story though!
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madeinstars : 3/18/2020 10:21 am : link
In comment 14840688 Saquads26 said:
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DG has basically spent all of the available cap room and we STILL have no pass rush and no O-line.

at least 60 million spent and all he did was slightly upgrade JJ, slightly upgrade Ogletree, slightly downgrade Markus Golden and replace the blocking TE...



Funny, last time I checked a double digit sack guy qualified as a pass rusher. And free agency isn’t over. And we haven’t drafted yet. Cool story though!


If you want to think the guy who had 3 seasons with 3 or less sacks and one season with 10.5 sacks is going to solve the Giants pass rushing woes, be my guest.
RE: But remember one thing guys  
ZogZerg : 3/18/2020 10:22 am : link
In comment 14840603 Carl in CT said:
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We might be smarter with future cap but we are also not a better team. Talent will suffer. Tell that to Barkley when his contract is up and he wants to play on a winner.


Let him go play for a winner.
So far these huge RB contracts haven't worked out so well for teams.
I have been HIGHLY critical of Abrams  
Gatorade Dunk : 3/18/2020 10:33 am : link
but this shift in standard contract structure is a significant step forward. I remember wondering months ago if something like this was worth exploring given the Giants aggregate and relative cap space vs. their opportunity to be competitive (I think I bounced it off Diver if memory serves), but never in a million years did I actually have faith in Abrams to institute a different approach.

I stand corrected and am very happy to have been wrong in assuming the Giants (and Abrams specifically) were too staid to evolve on this front.
We aren't chasing a ring this year  
Prude : 3/18/2020 10:34 am : link
Fortunately or unfortunately. You have to push hard before we have to re-sign dj and saquon. But it's not in the plans this season. There wasn't anyone in FA that was sure to be a top player for years to come. Better to save some ammo for next year as we see these young guys develop.
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Mike in NY : 3/18/2020 10:36 am : link
In comment 14840693 madeinstars said:
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DG has basically spent all of the available cap room and we STILL have no pass rush and no O-line.

at least 60 million spent and all he did was slightly upgrade JJ, slightly upgrade Ogletree, slightly downgrade Markus Golden and replace the blocking TE...



Funny, last time I checked a double digit sack guy qualified as a pass rusher. And free agency isn’t over. And we haven’t drafted yet. Cool story though!



If you want to think the guy who had 3 seasons with 3 or less sacks and one season with 10.5 sacks is going to solve the Giants pass rushing woes, be my guest.


But that 10.5 sack season was the one year he played for our current DC
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madeinstars : 3/18/2020 10:41 am : link
In comment 14840732 Mike in NY said:
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DG has basically spent all of the available cap room and we STILL have no pass rush and no O-line.

at least 60 million spent and all he did was slightly upgrade JJ, slightly upgrade Ogletree, slightly downgrade Markus Golden and replace the blocking TE...



Funny, last time I checked a double digit sack guy qualified as a pass rusher. And free agency isn’t over. And we haven’t drafted yet. Cool story though!



If you want to think the guy who had 3 seasons with 3 or less sacks and one season with 10.5 sacks is going to solve the Giants pass rushing woes, be my guest.



But that 10.5 sack season was the one year he played for our current DC


I know, but relying on those types of correlations hasn't really worked out in the past.
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mfsd : 3/18/2020 10:43 am : link
In comment 14840683 madeinstars said:
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DG has basically spent all of the available cap room and we STILL have no pass rush and no O-line.

at least 60 million spent and all he did was slightly upgrade JJ, slightly upgrade Ogletree, slightly downgrade Markus Golden and replace the blocking TE...



And what's even more amazing is that most of the posters here are drinking the Kool Aid too. Like they've been doing for three seasons running.


Did you really reply to your own post? Good grief
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madeinstars : 3/18/2020 10:45 am : link
In comment 14840752 mfsd said:
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DG has basically spent all of the available cap room and we STILL have no pass rush and no O-line.

at least 60 million spent and all he did was slightly upgrade JJ, slightly upgrade Ogletree, slightly downgrade Markus Golden and replace the blocking TE...



And what's even more amazing is that most of the posters here are drinking the Kool Aid too. Like they've been doing for three seasons running.



Did you really reply to your own post? Good grief


Yeah, the perils of no edit button
but but but  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 3/18/2020 10:54 am : link
another bbi thread complains DG blew all our cap space!



as opposed to  
Chip : 3/18/2020 11:12 am : link
DG didn't realize how crappy a a team Reese had left him.
RE: But remember one thing guys  
Mdgiantsfan : 3/18/2020 12:39 pm : link
In comment 14840603 Carl in CT said:
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We might be smarter with future cap but we are also not a better team. Talent will suffer. Tell that to Barkley when his contract is up and he wants to play on a winner.


^^^This^^^. So we have better flexibility down the road, yet we spent some good coin on a DB despite spending a good amount if draft capital on DBs the past few years. These draft picks better hit!
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giants#1 : 3/18/2020 12:44 pm : link
In comment 14840747 madeinstars said:
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I know, but relying on those types of correlations hasn't really worked out in the past.


I'd say Gettleman is/was 1-4 in this department. Worked with Golden (coincidentally also a pass rusher), failed with Bethea and to a lesser extent K Martin and Buccannon.

*maybe 2-5? Wasn't there a DL we signed from AZ in 2018 to 1 year vet min that ended up netting us a comp pick?
RE: I have been HIGHLY critical of Abrams  
cosmicj : 3/18/2020 1:22 pm : link
In comment 14840724 Gatorade Dunk said:
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but this shift in standard contract structure is a significant step forward.

I stand corrected and am very happy to have been wrong in assuming the Giants (and Abrams specifically) were too staid to evolve on this front.
GD - I had the same thought. There’s long term planning here. Good to see it.
About Blake Martinez, his contract is structured to allow the  
cosmicj : 3/18/2020 1:26 pm : link
Giants to release him in the spring of 2022 with zero cap impact. Even if he disappoints (and I thought his contract looked reasonable in the current market), he can go in two seasons with no direct effect on the future.
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Mike in NY : 3/18/2020 1:27 pm : link
In comment 14841004 giants#1 said:
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I know, but relying on those types of correlations hasn't really worked out in the past.



I'd say Gettleman is/was 1-4 in this department. Worked with Golden (coincidentally also a pass rusher), failed with Bethea and to a lesser extent K Martin and Buccannon.

*maybe 2-5? Wasn't there a DL we signed from AZ in 2018 to 1 year vet min that ended up netting us a comp pick?


The one good thing Josh Mauro did for us
I like it.  
Dave in Hoboken : 3/18/2020 1:30 pm : link
Solder having a $19.5 cap hit this season I do not like.
RE: I hope we keep Solder  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/18/2020 2:08 pm : link
In comment 14840610 twostepgiants said:
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In today’s times we are learning that there are more important things and Solders kid is literally going through Chemo for tumor as we speak and I understand his wife is pregnant and that is one of the most at risk groups of Coronavirus.

So this is bigger than football.

And in terms of football, I think there is a pretty good chance that Solder May return to strong play under a NE HC that he is familiar with the atmosphere he is bringing and Solder can be valuable in establishing it and a new staff and new philosophy on the OL as literally everyone underperformed or regressed under the old one.

Lets give Nate Solder a second chance.


Why are we turning a football conversation into a personal/emotional conversation? Also what does coronavirus have to do with nate Solder being a below-average tackle essentially since the day he signed here?

You cant make football decisions that way. It's a business. The giants have a limited amount of resources and a long way to go to be a decent team. There is no room to make excuses for one of your highest paid players to play poorly because of issues in his home life. The league isn't going to make an exception for the fact that the Giants arent getting good play from nate Solder because his kid is sick. Plenty of players have come through this franchise and played poorly and not received any sympathy for dealing with serious injuries and trying to play through pain with reduced performance.
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