I'd assume he wanted to bring Fleming aboard so I'll give Gettleman the benefit of the doubt because this is another crappy o-lineman that he has signed. Gettleman has a history of this.
problem. So Fleming is probably more reliable than Remmers. Talent wise I can’t tell but I think Colombo, Garret, and Judge have a better clue than most screaming on this thread. So it’s a plus in my book. But we have a very very long way to go to respectability.
Simmons and Okudah are worth the #4 or trade back.
That’s my plan as well. Wirfs, Thomas,Wills, or Becton in round 1 then ER Zack Baun and C Cesar Ruiz in round 2. That would be one hell of a start to the draft.
Still think the Giants preference, and most likely scenario, is trade down and take an OT with 1st pick. But if we don't get a good trade down offer and Simmons is still there (which he should be cause with teams at 5, 7 and 9 all needing QBs, I can't imagine no one moves up into top 4), then we could elect to take Simmons and hope an OT we like is available in Rd. 2.
Which i am convinced he will be, the Giants will be deep there with Fleming and Gates backing up Solder and a likely 1st or 2nd round pick.
Not going out on any limb or anything, but I would predict they take 1 OL in the first 2 picks and give Gates first crack at the other open starting position, with Flemming and Pulley as the 2 main veteran depth guys. And also likely a few extra developmental OL in day 3.
Which i am convinced he will be, the Giants will be deep there with Fleming and Gates backing up Solder and a likely 1st or 2nd round pick.
Not going out on any limb or anything, but I would predict they take 1 OL in the first 2 picks and give Gates first crack at the other open starting position, with Flemming and Pulley as the 2 main veteran depth guys. And also likely a few extra developmental OL in day 3.
Eric, I would be shocked if the Giants don’t take an OT in the first two rounds. If it was up to me I would trade down to 6,7, or 9, acquiring an extra 2nd at minimum. Then take the top OT on the board. Then with one of the 2nd round picks grab Cesar Ruiz if he is there. Then in round 3 or 4 select a developmental OT such as Matt Peart, Ben Bartch, Hakeem Adeniji, etc.
Which i am convinced he will be, the Giants will be deep there with Fleming and Gates backing up Solder and a likely 1st or 2nd round pick.
Not going out on any limb or anything, but I would predict they take 1 OL in the first 2 picks and give Gates first crack at the other open starting position, with Flemming and Pulley as the 2 main veteran depth guys. And also likely a few extra developmental OL in day 3.
Eric, I would be shocked if the Giants don’t take an OT in the first two rounds. If it was up to me I would trade down to 6,7, or 9, acquiring an extra 2nd at minimum. Then take the top OT on the board. Then with one of the 2nd round picks grab Cesar Ruiz if he is there. Then in round 3 or 4 select a developmental OT such as Matt Peart, Ben Bartch, Hakeem Adeniji, etc.
I wouldn't be surprised if they do what you described but I also wouldn't be surprised if they go D in round 1 bc Okudah or Simmons is just too good to pass up, C in round 2, and just take an OT in rd 3 or 4 like Prince/Niang/Peart/Bartch. They'd have to be confident in Gates to do that, but I don't think that's out of the question.
NE/Belichek (Judge) and Gettleman have shown histories of success finding OL in the 3rd/4th rounds. Judge is the unknown though because if he wants to win in the trenches badly I can't imagine it would be too hard to convince Gettleman to draft someone like Wirfs or Becton. Or Wills/Thomas with all the Bama/SEC intel they have on the coaching staff.
It also wouldn't shock me if they move down in round 1 to get an extra pick in the top 75, which would allow them to make 2 OL picks in the top 75 and potentially get a highly ranked defensive player too.
Giants need to be all in about finally fixing this OL through the draft in rounds 1 and 2. Get the RT ( I prefer Wills) at number 4 and get your starting center in the second round (hopefully Ruiz is available) at number 36.
I am sick and tired of their FA bandaid approach.
It hasn't worked in the past and won't work in the future.
Get it done in April in the draft.Fix the freaking OL.
Fix the OL yes, but also need to fix defense - need to do both
If your answer is no, then you take your highest-graded OL at your earliest opportunity. You don't hesitate, you don't try to get cute, you don't pass him up hoping to get someone else who might be available later on, you take the guy whom you feel is best equipped to protect your QB when you're guaranteed to get him.
And then you double-down on OL because it's that important, and in this draft it's that deep. You need two OT's, one plug-and-play, one developmental. You need a Center you can develop - maybe not an immediate starter, but a good prospect. Enough with the UDFA's. Get serious about the position.
versatile. I'm pretty sure he was drafted as a guard or center out of FSU when he went to cleveland. I'm also fairly certain he can play all 5 O-Line positions. His production? Not that great as he has been a liability in protection and the run game. Good depth signing.
We are drafting our starting tackle in the 1st round. Flemming, who isn’t great, is the backup tackle who’s there to compete. He knows garrets system and worked with Colombo. He isn’t coming here to start. Remmers is the better player but they probably saw his back as an issue and not sure remmers would have taken the same money flemming took. Well draft wills and have gates and and in a worse case scenario we’ll see flemming play.
so yes, if they feel really strongly about one of the OT's by all means.
But if they feel strongly about 1 of the defensive guys it would be foolish to pass just to grab an OL.
There will be some really good OL available in round 2. Bob McGinn had 9 OL in his initial top 50 and 8 of them were OT (+Ruiz).
. There is a noticeable lack of quality OL talent in the NFL. For whatever reason the college ranks are not producing offensive linemen like they used to and once teams find those guys they don’t let them go in free agency. Maybe just maybe we should draft some. Here we have a chance to grab your cornerstone LT for the next 10-12 years. There will be a noticeable drop in quality in the second round and you still need a Center. Maybe you throw cation to the wind if our OL wasn’t consistently bad for the last seven years but yours spent the second pick in the draft on Barkley and the number six pick on Jones. Give them the blockers they need to succeed. Do the right thing Dave. Your job depends on it.
We are drafting our starting tackle in the 1st round. Flemming, who isn’t great, is the backup tackle who’s there to compete. He knows garrets system and worked with Colombo. He isn’t coming here to start. Remmers is the better player but they probably saw his back as an issue and not sure remmers would have taken the same money flemming took. Well draft wills and have gates and and in a worse case scenario we’ll see flemming play.
Yea sure, you can beat the relax drum all you want. The Giants seem like they're continuing to collect the worst players in the league. Fleming is a terrible player, not much better than Flowers at T. Solder stinks. Remmers gone. Gates? Giants pretty much have nothing at T and now we are just supposed to assume a Jonathan Ogden-type is saving us in the draft? Look at the top 10 busts at T and it may not be a foregone conclusion.
The Giants aren't going to be good until they decide to start bringing in good football players.
We are drafting our starting tackle in the 1st round. Flemming, who isn’t great, is the backup tackle who’s there to compete. He knows garrets system and worked with Colombo. He isn’t coming here to start. Remmers is the better player but they probably saw his back as an issue and not sure remmers would have taken the same money flemming took. Well draft wills and have gates and and in a worse case scenario we’ll see flemming play.
Yea sure, you can beat the relax drum all you want. The Giants seem like they're continuing to collect the worst players in the league. Fleming is a terrible player, not much better than Flowers at T. Solder stinks. Remmers gone. Gates? Giants pretty much have nothing at T and now we are just supposed to assume a Jonathan Ogden-type is saving us in the draft? Look at the top 10 busts at T and it may not be a foregone conclusion.
The Giants aren't going to be good until they decide to start bringing in good football players.
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Well said. There's not a franchise tackle in the draft. There are two franchise defensive players so we have to hope we grab Simmons or Young and allow for good scouting to help bring value in rounds 2 through 7. The Giants for the last decade have had more "questions than answers" when it comes to talent.
Gates is probably a starter now. He's also probably ready for it. Where he starts is the question and depends on the rest of FA and the draft. I would love to see Beckton, Hernandez, Gates, Zeitler, Solder. Then plug in that FA TE next to Becton and just go maul som,e people.
What makes Young and Simmons franchise defensive players
This is okay to fill a hole and gives a little flexibility for the draft. Worst case scenario is that only 1 QB is picked in the first 3 spots and the Giants can pick from Simmons or Odukah, the best OT on the board, or a trade down with the same player options.
But as Dallas’ backup swing tackle, he played 258 offensive snaps, had 4 penalties, and allowed two sacks. I think we should be happy to have him in the same role...swing man just in case....
Jordan Raanan (@JordanRaanan)
3/18/20, 9:06 PM
This is a one-year deal for Fleming. He had another strong suitor but Giants potentially give him an opportunity to start at right tackle and reunites him with Jason Garrett and Marc Colombo from Dallas and Joe Judge from New England
Gates is probably a starter now. He's also probably ready for it. Where he starts is the question and depends on the rest of FA and the draft. I would love to see Beckton, Hernandez, Gates, Zeitler, Solder. Then plug in that FA TE next to Becton and just go maul som,e people.
You've got Gates as a starter, but you don't actually know at which position? Does that sound logical? Then you put him at Center, a position he's never played before, and you put Solder at RT, a position he hasn't played since his rookie year (2011). No offense, but that's a terrible plan.
but if this regime has any thoughts of going with Solder and Fleming and bypassing a round one Tackle, then you have your reason for the next change-over of GM and Coaches.
I wasn't expecting us to get any OT out there. They were either old or just not what we need. Gates was as good or better than what was out there. I dont know much about Fleming other than what others have posted. He is young and healthy and just a body to throw out there.
All signs have pointed to OT in the 1st for a while now. Nothing has changed. Its the way to go, there isnt much difference between the OTs and the position players after Young and Okuda and Brown is similar to what we already have. I personally dont want Simmons, I dont think he will have as big an impact in the NFL as others do.
I dont agree with drafting a lineman with the top10 pick
See below, I grabbed a list of the last bunch of Super Bowl bound teams - a line is built with good coaching and good chemistry there are no top 10 picks but they very rarely drafted one in the first round, and they picked at the bottom of the draft.
What you would see is on the defensive side of the ball - a lot of high picks. Just saying
2018
T Trent Brown San Francisco 49ers / 7th / 244th pick / 2015
T Marcus Cannon New England Patriots / 5th / 138th pick / 2011
LG Joe Thuney New England Patriots / 3rd / 78th pick / 2016
C David Andrews
RG Shaq Mason New England Patriots / 4th / 131st pick / 2015
2017
T Nate Solder New England Patriots / 1st / 17th pick / 2011
LG Joe Thuney New England Patriots / 3rd / 78th pick / 2016
C David Andrews
RG Shaq Mason New England Patriots / 4th / 131st pick / 2015
2016
T Nate Solder New England Patriots / 1st / 17th pick / 2011
LG Joe Thuney New England Patriots / 3rd / 78th pick / 2016
C David Andrews
RG Shaq Mason New England Patriots / 4th / 131st pick / 2015
RT Marcus Cannon New England Patriots / 5th / 138th pick / 2011
2014
LT Nate Solder New England Patriots / 1st / 17th pick / 2011
LG Dan Connolly
C Bryan Stork New England Patriots / 4th / 105th pick / 2014
RG Ryan Wendell
RT Sebastian Vollmer New England Patriots / 2nd / 58th pick / 2009
2011
LT Matt Light New England Patriots / 2nd / 48th pick / 2001
LG Logan Mankins* New England Patriots / 1st / 32nd pick / 2005
C Dan Connolly
RG Brian Waters*
RT Nate Solder New England Patriots / 1st / 17th pick / 2011
2004
T Brandon Gorin San Diego Chargers / 7th / 201st pick / 2001
T Matt Light New England Patriots / 2nd / 48th pick / 2001
LG Joe Andruzzi
C Dan Koppen New England Patriots / 5th / 164th pick / 2003
RG Steve Neal
See below, I grabbed a list of the last bunch of Super Bowl bound teams - a line is built with good coaching and good chemistry there are no top 10 picks but they very rarely drafted one in the first round, and they picked at the bottom of the draft.
What you would see is on the defensive side of the ball - a lot of high picks. Just saying
2018
T Trent Brown San Francisco 49ers / 7th / 244th pick / 2015
T Marcus Cannon New England Patriots / 5th / 138th pick / 2011
LG Joe Thuney New England Patriots / 3rd / 78th pick / 2016
C David Andrews
RG Shaq Mason New England Patriots / 4th / 131st pick / 2015
2017
T Nate Solder New England Patriots / 1st / 17th pick / 2011
LG Joe Thuney New England Patriots / 3rd / 78th pick / 2016
C David Andrews
RG Shaq Mason New England Patriots / 4th / 131st pick / 2015
2016
T Nate Solder New England Patriots / 1st / 17th pick / 2011
LG Joe Thuney New England Patriots / 3rd / 78th pick / 2016
C David Andrews
RG Shaq Mason New England Patriots / 4th / 131st pick / 2015
RT Marcus Cannon New England Patriots / 5th / 138th pick / 2011
2014
LT Nate Solder New England Patriots / 1st / 17th pick / 2011
LG Dan Connolly
C Bryan Stork New England Patriots / 4th / 105th pick / 2014
RG Ryan Wendell
RT Sebastian Vollmer New England Patriots / 2nd / 58th pick / 2009
2011
LT Matt Light New England Patriots / 2nd / 48th pick / 2001
LG Logan Mankins* New England Patriots / 1st / 32nd pick / 2005
C Dan Connolly
RG Brian Waters*
RT Nate Solder New England Patriots / 1st / 17th pick / 2011
2004
T Brandon Gorin San Diego Chargers / 7th / 201st pick / 2001
T Matt Light New England Patriots / 2nd / 48th pick / 2001
LG Joe Andruzzi
C Dan Koppen New England Patriots / 5th / 164th pick / 2003
RG Steve Neal
I don't think this post is going to go like you planned.
I dont think I have plan - but just puting an idea in front of some
I agree our line sucks, but it has sicked for years - the solution is not always the players.
No different than any other type of work - when there is massive turnover and under performance its not always the employees. Sometimes it is management and terrible planning.
We have new coaches now, you need get more out of the players you have on the team and build cohesiveness. Especially with an offensive line, you need big smart players and great coaching. I bet I could go through a bunch of other successful teams and find the same thing.
the chances of getting a top 10 o-lineman that is successful player in the NFL has a lot closer to a chance of one you grab in later round - compared to a 10 ten linebacker or corner compared to ones you get in later rounds.
There busts in every position, and there Tom Brady stories in others as well - Im just talking it view of averages - it is wiser to take the Defensive player with a 10 ten than a lineman because you have a better of bargain drafting a lineman with good coaching.
Maybe another way I look at it is - you need your high pick to be a contributor is some way for a significant amount of time. You pick a defensive guy that turns out not be the stud you are hoping for does not mean they can not help you in situational downs and schemes. You miss on an o-lineman -what else can they do.
the chances of getting a top 10 o-lineman that is successful player in the NFL has a lot closer to a chance of one you grab in later round - compared to a 10 ten linebacker or corner compared to ones you get in later rounds.
There busts in every position, and there Tom Brady stories in others as well - Im just talking it view of averages - it is wiser to take the Defensive player with a 10 ten than a lineman because you have a better of bargain drafting a lineman with good coaching.
Maybe another way I look at it is - you need your high pick to be a contributor is some way for a significant amount of time. You pick a defensive guy that turns out not be the stud you are hoping for does not mean they can not help you in situational downs and schemes. You miss on an o-lineman -what else can they do.
If the stats support that then best Giant strategy would be to trade down in rd 1. I don't think it does though based on only looking at New England's Oline drafts thru the years.
And I don't think you should pick anybody in Rd 1, offense or defense, with the mindset that they may not work out so what else can they do. Imv.
is the new Marshall Newhouse for the Giants.
Although watching Fleming backup Tyron Smith the past couple of years, that wasn't a pretty sight (being kind).
I guess a swing tackle, hopefully he doesn't play much.
be a bright player who has worked with our new HC, OC, and OL coach:
* Back to Dumpster Diving OL
* This is an awful signing. He might be a downgrade from Remmers.
* The Giants seem like they're continuing to collect the worst players in the league.
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And the winner:
* The Giants aren't going to be good until they decide to start bringing in good football players.
YES GREAT POINT!! Previously they decided to purposely bring in BAD PLAYERS!!! What an idiotic statement.
But as Dallas’ backup swing tackle, he played 258 offensive snaps, had 4 penalties, and allowed two sacks. I think we should be happy to have him in the same role...swing man just in case....
Depth is necessary. He could start at some point if not right away.
If JJ is true to his word, Fleming will compete at RT and if he loses out, will most likely end up at Swing Tackle.
Yeah but if you are choosing between Alpo and Mighty Dog it doesn’t matter because is all dog food.
I expect they will give Gates a shot at the job and also draft both a tackle and a center at some point.
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Simmons back in line??
That’s my plan as well. Wirfs, Thomas,Wills, or Becton in round 1 then ER Zack Baun and C Cesar Ruiz in round 2. That would be one hell of a start to the draft.
Don't think Ruiz will make to us in Round 2
He's not an all pro or even an accomplished starter but those guys are never available so not sure what some of you expect.
Not sure what's not to like, so basically quit whining and shut up
Not going out on any limb or anything, but I would predict they take 1 OL in the first 2 picks and give Gates first crack at the other open starting position, with Flemming and Pulley as the 2 main veteran depth guys. And also likely a few extra developmental OL in day 3.
Jay, come on...deep?
NYG badly need two Tackles from this draft. One to start at Right in 2020, and one to start in 2021 when we shed Solder (if not sooner).
Pray to the football gods that Gettleman sees it the same way and that there are OTs worth taking when they call our team to the podium.
This Oline fatal flaw problem needs to end this year.
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Which i am convinced he will be, the Giants will be deep there with Fleming and Gates backing up Solder and a likely 1st or 2nd round pick.
Not going out on any limb or anything, but I would predict they take 1 OL in the first 2 picks and give Gates first crack at the other open starting position, with Flemming and Pulley as the 2 main veteran depth guys. And also likely a few extra developmental OL in day 3.
Eric, I would be shocked if the Giants don’t take an OT in the first two rounds. If it was up to me I would trade down to 6,7, or 9, acquiring an extra 2nd at minimum. Then take the top OT on the board. Then with one of the 2nd round picks grab Cesar Ruiz if he is there. Then in round 3 or 4 select a developmental OT such as Matt Peart, Ben Bartch, Hakeem Adeniji, etc.
I think you’re right.
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Which i am convinced he will be, the Giants will be deep there with Fleming and Gates backing up Solder and a likely 1st or 2nd round pick.
Not going out on any limb or anything, but I would predict they take 1 OL in the first 2 picks and give Gates first crack at the other open starting position, with Flemming and Pulley as the 2 main veteran depth guys. And also likely a few extra developmental OL in day 3.
Eric, I would be shocked if the Giants don’t take an OT in the first two rounds. If it was up to me I would trade down to 6,7, or 9, acquiring an extra 2nd at minimum. Then take the top OT on the board. Then with one of the 2nd round picks grab Cesar Ruiz if he is there. Then in round 3 or 4 select a developmental OT such as Matt Peart, Ben Bartch, Hakeem Adeniji, etc.
I wouldn't be surprised if they do what you described but I also wouldn't be surprised if they go D in round 1 bc Okudah or Simmons is just too good to pass up, C in round 2, and just take an OT in rd 3 or 4 like Prince/Niang/Peart/Bartch. They'd have to be confident in Gates to do that, but I don't think that's out of the question.
NE/Belichek (Judge) and Gettleman have shown histories of success finding OL in the 3rd/4th rounds. Judge is the unknown though because if he wants to win in the trenches badly I can't imagine it would be too hard to convince Gettleman to draft someone like Wirfs or Becton. Or Wills/Thomas with all the Bama/SEC intel they have on the coaching staff.
It also wouldn't shock me if they move down in round 1 to get an extra pick in the top 75, which would allow them to make 2 OL picks in the top 75 and potentially get a highly ranked defensive player too.
I am sick and tired of their FA bandaid approach.
It hasn't worked in the past and won't work in the future.
Get it done in April in the draft.Fix the freaking OL.
But if they feel strongly about 1 of the defensive guys it would be foolish to pass just to grab an OL.
There will be some really good OL available in round 2. Bob McGinn had 9 OL in his initial top 50 and 8 of them were OT (+Ruiz).
And then you double-down on OL because it's that important, and in this draft it's that deep. You need two OT's, one plug-and-play, one developmental. You need a Center you can develop - maybe not an immediate starter, but a good prospect. Enough with the UDFA's. Get serious about the position.
Don't fuck this up, Dave.
+1. Can’t go wrong with depth. If judge came out and said he’s our starting right tackle then the negativity on this thread would make sense.
But if they feel strongly about 1 of the defensive guys it would be foolish to pass just to grab an OL.
There will be some really good OL available in round 2. Bob McGinn had 9 OL in his initial top 50 and 8 of them were OT (+Ruiz).
. There is a noticeable lack of quality OL talent in the NFL. For whatever reason the college ranks are not producing offensive linemen like they used to and once teams find those guys they don’t let them go in free agency. Maybe just maybe we should draft some. Here we have a chance to grab your cornerstone LT for the next 10-12 years. There will be a noticeable drop in quality in the second round and you still need a Center. Maybe you throw cation to the wind if our OL wasn’t consistently bad for the last seven years but yours spent the second pick in the draft on Barkley and the number six pick on Jones. Give them the blockers they need to succeed. Do the right thing Dave. Your job depends on it.
Yea sure, you can beat the relax drum all you want. The Giants seem like they're continuing to collect the worst players in the league. Fleming is a terrible player, not much better than Flowers at T. Solder stinks. Remmers gone. Gates? Giants pretty much have nothing at T and now we are just supposed to assume a Jonathan Ogden-type is saving us in the draft? Look at the top 10 busts at T and it may not be a foregone conclusion.
The Giants aren't going to be good until they decide to start bringing in good football players.
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We are drafting our starting tackle in the 1st round. Flemming, who isn’t great, is the backup tackle who’s there to compete. He knows garrets system and worked with Colombo. He isn’t coming here to start. Remmers is the better player but they probably saw his back as an issue and not sure remmers would have taken the same money flemming took. Well draft wills and have gates and and in a worse case scenario we’ll see flemming play.
Yea sure, you can beat the relax drum all you want. The Giants seem like they're continuing to collect the worst players in the league. Fleming is a terrible player, not much better than Flowers at T. Solder stinks. Remmers gone. Gates? Giants pretty much have nothing at T and now we are just supposed to assume a Jonathan Ogden-type is saving us in the draft? Look at the top 10 busts at T and it may not be a foregone conclusion.
The Giants aren't going to be good until they decide to start bringing in good football players.
Well said. There's not a franchise tackle in the draft. There are two franchise defensive players so we have to hope we grab Simmons or Young and allow for good scouting to help bring value in rounds 2 through 7. The Giants for the last decade have had more "questions than answers" when it comes to talent.
Since we haven't had a good Tackle in it seems like forever, doesn't that qualify enough?
It's not drafting out of need if the team really needs basically everything other than QB/RB.
Jordan Raanan (@JordanRaanan)
3/18/20, 9:06 PM
This is a one-year deal for Fleming. He had another strong suitor but Giants potentially give him an opportunity to start at right tackle and reunites him with Jason Garrett and Marc Colombo from Dallas and Joe Judge from New England
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not just stay with Gates as the swing tackle?
Gates is probably a starter now. He's also probably ready for it. Where he starts is the question and depends on the rest of FA and the draft. I would love to see Beckton, Hernandez, Gates, Zeitler, Solder. Then plug in that FA TE next to Becton and just go maul som,e people.
You've got Gates as a starter, but you don't actually know at which position? Does that sound logical? Then you put him at Center, a position he's never played before, and you put Solder at RT, a position he hasn't played since his rookie year (2011). No offense, but that's a terrible plan.
All signs have pointed to OT in the 1st for a while now. Nothing has changed. Its the way to go, there isnt much difference between the OTs and the position players after Young and Okuda and Brown is similar to what we already have. I personally dont want Simmons, I dont think he will have as big an impact in the NFL as others do.
What you would see is on the defensive side of the ball - a lot of high picks. Just saying
2018
T Trent Brown San Francisco 49ers / 7th / 244th pick / 2015
T Marcus Cannon New England Patriots / 5th / 138th pick / 2011
LG Joe Thuney New England Patriots / 3rd / 78th pick / 2016
C David Andrews
RG Shaq Mason New England Patriots / 4th / 131st pick / 2015
2017
T Nate Solder New England Patriots / 1st / 17th pick / 2011
LG Joe Thuney New England Patriots / 3rd / 78th pick / 2016
C David Andrews
RG Shaq Mason New England Patriots / 4th / 131st pick / 2015
2016
T Nate Solder New England Patriots / 1st / 17th pick / 2011
LG Joe Thuney New England Patriots / 3rd / 78th pick / 2016
C David Andrews
RG Shaq Mason New England Patriots / 4th / 131st pick / 2015
RT Marcus Cannon New England Patriots / 5th / 138th pick / 2011
2014
LT Nate Solder New England Patriots / 1st / 17th pick / 2011
LG Dan Connolly
C Bryan Stork New England Patriots / 4th / 105th pick / 2014
RG Ryan Wendell
RT Sebastian Vollmer New England Patriots / 2nd / 58th pick / 2009
2011
LT Matt Light New England Patriots / 2nd / 48th pick / 2001
LG Logan Mankins* New England Patriots / 1st / 32nd pick / 2005
C Dan Connolly
RG Brian Waters*
RT Nate Solder New England Patriots / 1st / 17th pick / 2011
2004
T Brandon Gorin San Diego Chargers / 7th / 201st pick / 2001
T Matt Light New England Patriots / 2nd / 48th pick / 2001
LG Joe Andruzzi
C Dan Koppen New England Patriots / 5th / 164th pick / 2003
RG Steve Neal
What you would see is on the defensive side of the ball - a lot of high picks. Just saying
2018
T Trent Brown San Francisco 49ers / 7th / 244th pick / 2015
T Marcus Cannon New England Patriots / 5th / 138th pick / 2011
LG Joe Thuney New England Patriots / 3rd / 78th pick / 2016
C David Andrews
RG Shaq Mason New England Patriots / 4th / 131st pick / 2015
2017
T Nate Solder New England Patriots / 1st / 17th pick / 2011
LG Joe Thuney New England Patriots / 3rd / 78th pick / 2016
C David Andrews
RG Shaq Mason New England Patriots / 4th / 131st pick / 2015
2016
T Nate Solder New England Patriots / 1st / 17th pick / 2011
LG Joe Thuney New England Patriots / 3rd / 78th pick / 2016
C David Andrews
RG Shaq Mason New England Patriots / 4th / 131st pick / 2015
RT Marcus Cannon New England Patriots / 5th / 138th pick / 2011
2014
LT Nate Solder New England Patriots / 1st / 17th pick / 2011
LG Dan Connolly
C Bryan Stork New England Patriots / 4th / 105th pick / 2014
RG Ryan Wendell
RT Sebastian Vollmer New England Patriots / 2nd / 58th pick / 2009
2011
LT Matt Light New England Patriots / 2nd / 48th pick / 2001
LG Logan Mankins* New England Patriots / 1st / 32nd pick / 2005
C Dan Connolly
RG Brian Waters*
RT Nate Solder New England Patriots / 1st / 17th pick / 2011
2004
T Brandon Gorin San Diego Chargers / 7th / 201st pick / 2001
T Matt Light New England Patriots / 2nd / 48th pick / 2001
LG Joe Andruzzi
C Dan Koppen New England Patriots / 5th / 164th pick / 2003
RG Steve Neal
I don't think this post is going to go like you planned.
No different than any other type of work - when there is massive turnover and under performance its not always the employees. Sometimes it is management and terrible planning.
We have new coaches now, you need get more out of the players you have on the team and build cohesiveness. Especially with an offensive line, you need big smart players and great coaching. I bet I could go through a bunch of other successful teams and find the same thing.
There busts in every position, and there Tom Brady stories in others as well - Im just talking it view of averages - it is wiser to take the Defensive player with a 10 ten than a lineman because you have a better of bargain drafting a lineman with good coaching.
Maybe another way I look at it is - you need your high pick to be a contributor is some way for a significant amount of time. You pick a defensive guy that turns out not be the stud you are hoping for does not mean they can not help you in situational downs and schemes. You miss on an o-lineman -what else can they do.
Probably - LOL - not me - I was just commenting because the topic was there.
There busts in every position, and there Tom Brady stories in others as well - Im just talking it view of averages - it is wiser to take the Defensive player with a 10 ten than a lineman because you have a better of bargain drafting a lineman with good coaching.
Maybe another way I look at it is - you need your high pick to be a contributor is some way for a significant amount of time. You pick a defensive guy that turns out not be the stud you are hoping for does not mean they can not help you in situational downs and schemes. You miss on an o-lineman -what else can they do.
If the stats support that then best Giant strategy would be to trade down in rd 1. I don't think it does though based on only looking at New England's Oline drafts thru the years.
And I don't think you should pick anybody in Rd 1, offense or defense, with the mindset that they may not work out so what else can they do. Imv.
Although watching Fleming backup Tyron Smith the past couple of years, that wasn't a pretty sight (being kind).
I guess a swing tackle, hopefully he doesn't play much.
* Back to Dumpster Diving OL
* This is an awful signing. He might be a downgrade from Remmers.
* The Giants seem like they're continuing to collect the worst players in the league.
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And the winner:
* The Giants aren't going to be good until they decide to start bringing in good football players.
YES GREAT POINT!! Previously they decided to purposely bring in BAD PLAYERS!!! What an idiotic statement.
Depth is necessary. He could start at some point if not right away.