I’m very encouraged with how FA has gone

Good team building approach.

Would like to see them leverage that #4 pick somehow.

Thank God he's going all in to save his ass, regardless of the long term effect on the team.

I think this is going to be a roster that will have to be greater than the sum of its parts. It will require a tremendous coaching job for this team to win. I hope Judge does it. Don’t want another 3-13 season.


Hope they trade down and accumulate some good talent.

Before going.

i actually am too.

i wanted littleton over martinez but ill let graham make that call. otherwise, im good with how they are approaching this.

i definitely think we need OT in round 1. hope we can slide back some and pick up extra early picks.

maybe chargers at 6?
jags at 9?

because they are doing roster bonus instead of signing bonus which would spread the money over a number of years. I would assume this comes from ownership and not DG. It also maybe because of the virus and from the possible cancellation of the season. I suspect roster bonus money does not have to be paid if there is no season but I could be wrong.

indicates an understanding they’re more than a year away. That’s a start.

decent signings. got a LB to run the defense. CB with some experience. some OL depth.

major issues still unresolved - pass rusher and tackle. may just wind up getting both in the draft. But, I'm thinking they get some help w/pass rush in FA. Thinking they take Wills at # 4.

In comment 14841840 BleedBlue said:

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i actually am too. i wanted littleton over martinez but ill let graham make that call. otherwise, im good with how they are approaching this. i definitely think we need OT in round 1. hope we can slide back some and pick up extra early picks. maybe chargers at 6? jags at 9?

I definitely agree on Littleton as better fit speed wise but they allowed Graham to have input. It's a challenge to make up for a lack of speed. There's not a franchise tackle in the draft, like a Boselli, Pace, Ogden etc. There's some value that they wait until 2nd/3rd round and don't need to reach. Simmons or Young would be the a player to build our defense around.

more middle of the road pickups, no record setting contracts, some short term upside plays. And again collaborative with coaches. Just need better coaching and results on the field.

On a defense that already lacked speed

is the wave after the first wave. When teams have to release players because of money...

Those are where the bargains are. Every year players are released who are experienced and productive. You just have to be patient. That's what we should have done.

If we were going to be in this early market, the better investments would have been OL. Bulaga over Martinez would have been a much, much better play.

his skills need to catch up to his speed

and I don't know what their thinking is, but it looks to me like they're plugging holes with guys who are only stopgaps, but are only being paid like stopgaps, and only getting stopgap contracts -- 3 years without big signing bonuses. It's not exciting but it's methodical and prudent.

In comment 14841898 bw in dc said:

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is the wave after the first wave. When teams have to release players because of money... Those are where the bargains are. Every year players are released who are experienced and productive. You just have to be patient. That's what we should have done. If we were going to be in this early market, the better investments would have been OL. Bulaga over Martinez would have been a much, much better play.

I’m not a big fan of the Martinez signing, but I would have been incensed if Dave handed out a large contract to Bulaga.

incremental improvements to improve the roster now and buy time to keep the draft pipeline flowing. No way to fill every hole in one offseason.

Methodical, prudent, filling each hole with known qualities.

Positional coaches players, defensive Coordinator captain.

My favorite is the corner, who line up against the best WR....in a division with the best WRs...Julio, Michael Thomas and Evan.

In comment 14841906 The_Boss said:

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In comment 14841898 bw in dc said: Quote: is the wave after the first wave. When teams have to release players because of money... Those are where the bargains are. Every year players are released who are experienced and productive. You just have to be patient. That's what we should have done. If we were going to be in this early market, the better investments would have been OL. Bulaga over Martinez would have been a much, much better play. I’m not a big fan of the Martinez signing, but I would have been incensed if Dave handed out a large contract to Bulaga.

Do you think 3yrs/$30M is a lot? I think it's a bargain.
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but it's hard to not like that Gettleman added some of the youngest players in FA at their respective positions.

Bradberry was in the top few CB's on every list but he's also a year younger than Byron Jones and several younger than Harris. Barring an extension this contract only covers him through age 29.

Martinez only just turned 26.

Leonard Williams turns 26 in a few months.

The guys who were older only got 1 year deals (Fackrell 28, Flemming 27). Toilolo is 28 and got 2 years.

In fact, browsing our roster there are only 4 remaining players over 27 - Solder 31, Zeitler 30, Tanney 32, Tate 31. This has got to be 1 of the youngest rosters in the NFL at this point?

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Bulaga finished 12th among all NFL tackles in ESPN's Pass Block Win Rate last season (91.7%).

This team could use that level of skill...

I don't think We improved the roster but we spent a shitload of money. I feel like we have the same roster as last year just new faces with the same talent level. I dont see an upgrade anywhere on the roster. Am I missing something? It also doesn't seem like the better players got that much more than what we paid. I like Bradberry and that's it.

In comment 14841927 bw in dc said:

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Forgot to headline from the link: Quote: Bulaga finished 12th among all NFL tackles in ESPN's Pass Block Win Rate last season (91.7%). This team could use that level of skill...

Of course they could. My issue is he is about to turn 31. Maybe his play drops off this year? What would he be as a player if/when this team is actually good? I’d rather Dave find the next Bulaga in the draft.

Didn’t blow away Byron Jones or Clowney with a massive deal.

I’m lukewarm on Martinez but I really liked the Fackrell, Bradberry, Toilolo, and Fleming(if it’s to be the swing tackle) signings. Now hopefully they can add a veteran upgrade at center along with Matt Moore as Jones’ backup.

In comment 14841932 Rudy5757 said:

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I don't think We improved the roster but we spent a shitload of money. I feel like we have the same roster as last year just new faces with the same talent level. I dont see an upgrade anywhere on the roster. Am I missing something? It also doesn't seem like the better players got that much more than what we paid. I like Bradberry and that's it.

uh

bradberry or beal?

thats NOT EVEN CLOSE.

Also martinez is better than ogletree come on...ogletree wont have a job this year lol. the dude is toast

In comment 14841932 Rudy5757 said:

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I don't think We improved the roster but we spent a shitload of money. I feel like we have the same roster as last year just new faces with the same talent level. I dont see an upgrade anywhere on the roster. Am I missing something? It also doesn't seem like the better players got that much more than what we paid. I like Bradberry and that's it.

That's what the draft is for. The team isn't close enough for contention to spend all of the money on 3 players that choke the budget like 2016. They still need to replace the players they lost and do incremental upgrades while they restock with the draft. The players that were really worth the money already got paid, overpaid or tagged. Better coaching will help too.

In comment 14841934 The_Boss said:

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In comment 14841927 bw in dc said: Quote: Forgot to headline from the link: Quote: Bulaga finished 12th among all NFL tackles in ESPN's Pass Block Win Rate last season (91.7%). This team could use that level of skill... Of course they could. My issue is he is about to turn 31. Maybe his play drops off this year? What would he be as a player if/when this team is actually good? I’d rather Dave find the next Bulaga in the draft.

Or maybe he's Andrew Whitworth and just keeps humming along, getting it done.

I would have signed-up for this exacta any day, all day - sign Bulaga, draft Wills.

Look, with today's rules, it's easier to get the offense piece solved first. So let's get the OL finally solved, build that support system for DJ, and be a team that can consistently score points. And then move onto building a D that compliments the O and fits today's game - speed, pressure, and excellent tackling...

Unfortunately DG's prior free agent signings and his release/trade of guys on the roster created a lot of these holes. I'll be shocked if we win 6 games this season and I'm not sure I can handle another debacle this year,

After free agency all of my hopes are invested in Joe Judge.

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Unfortunately DG's prior free agent signings and his release/trade of guys on the roster created a lot of these holes. I'll be shocked if we win 6 games this season and I'm not sure I can handle another debacle this year, After free agency all of my hopes are invested in Joe Judge.

I’ve been typing “we can’t fix every hole this offseason” now for for 3 straight off seasons here on BBI. We went from 5 wins to 4 the first 2 times. If Dave can’t get this thing to 7 wins this year, how does he tell John he deserves another year?

I like all the players signed and the contracts seem reasonable.

However, the way the roster looks now, they are going to get roasted in the air. Their pass rush is a slight downgrade from last year and they still have some massive coverage issues, especially against TEs and in the back end of the defense. Speedy receivers are going to kill this team.

On offense, they haven't done much.

the other guys feel eh, but I’ll give the new coaching staff the benefit of the doubt

I like Bradberry very much, Martinez I understand and the other UFAs are minimal acquisitions, so no harm no foul.

But a sobering note -- Dave Gettleman signed more than 30 UFA agents in 2018 and 2019.

By my count the only players on the roster from that list: Solder, Tate, Mayo, and Tanney.

It's hard to turn a team around when you are only multi year starter a year in UFA.

In comment 14841981 christian said:

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I like Bradberry very much, Martinez I understand and the other UFAs are minimal acquisitions, so no harm no foul. But a sobering note -- Dave Gettleman signed more than 30 UFA agents in 2018 and 2019. By my count the only players on the roster from that list: Solder, Tate, Mayo, and Tanney. It's hard to turn a team around when you are only multi year starter a year in UFA.

30 is a little bit misleading in that context. How many guys signed with any guaranteed $ after year 1? I don't think there were more than a handful?

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30 is a little bit misleading in that context. How many guys signed with any guaranteed $ after year 1? I don't think there were more than a handful?

Not misleading, exactly my point. It's been a rotation of temps or busts.

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In comment 14841987 Eric on Li said: Quote: 30 is a little bit misleading in that context. How many guys signed with any guaranteed $ after year 1? I don't think there were more than a handful? Not misleading, exactly my point. It's been a rotation of temps or busts.

Ok that's a fair point but I think most view FA best used in that sort of disposable way. Or at least that's how better organizations seem to utilize it (Pats, Baltimore, Philly, etc).

we value I agree.

We need to find players to defend the middle of the field. Year in and year out we're gutted there. Martinez isn't the answer for that problem.

Green Bay let Bulaga go and signed Rick Wagner. Wagner isn't very good, so Bulaga's injury history and price? I can see why.

I would have rather we spent more to sign Littleton instead of Martinez. I wanted an upgrade somewhere on the ol.

I'm encouraged. From a talent perspective, I'm shrugging my shoulders. I can't say I'm encouraged, but I'm hardly suicidal. Actually, I'm looking forward to seeing what the new coaching staff can do with the talent they have to work with (such as it is). I've said before that better coaching will only take them so far; still, how far remains to be seen.

The bottom line for the Giants, though, is that they simply have to draft better than they have for the past ten years or so. Free agency needs to be the icing on the cake, not the cake itself. If they draft well, they'll win more.

Still no top quality pass rusher, no safety, and two holes on the OL. They need to nail this draft.

C to a C- for this FA period. The only quality player we landed was a corner and aside from that we basically replaced our woeful linebacker who cant cover tight ends, a backup linebacker with another, added a backup tackle, and resigned an overrated and now overpaid defensive tackle. We only have 10 of those guys and zero can rush the passer. Yes. Clearly some positives from old man Gettleman. Cant wait to see how this draft shakes out.

Looking forward to the draft and how some of the newer coaching staff, from the college ranks, might chime in on some players. Even the undrafted. The scouts still have a role for sure. The collective knowledge in the building seems greater then in year past.

FA might have allowed us to get younger and a tick faster in some spots, that and the ability to get out of contracts is encouraging.

There was a comments made earlier that seems to have gone un-noticed. Do the teams really play this year? If we have 1 year contracts how will this be address. If we do not have a season that contract year, might or might not apply. time will tell.

Bring on the draft!

Bradberry replaces JJ
Martinez replaces Ogeltree
Fackrell replaces Golden
Toilolo replaces Ellison

Not a major upgrade in any of these signings, but we did get younger veterans and preserved future cap position. Any significant improvement in. team play will have to come from the draft and from improvements in our younger players - unless there are more moves to be made.

and target OLT in round 1. Don't rule it out --it's not over.

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Bradberry replaces JJ Martinez replaces Ogeltree Fackrell replaces Golden Toilolo replaces Ellison Not a major upgrade in any of these signings, but we did get younger veterans and preserved future cap position. Any significant improvement in. team play will have to come from the draft and from improvements in our younger players - unless there are more moves to be made.

And that’s how good teams are built...through the draft.

According to Joe Judge's interviews from the horse's mouth so to speak the Giants are going to take it step by step and this will take time to build a team to be proud of. He intends to get players who are fast, smart, tough, and fundamentally sound. It's not going to be a fancy style of play, but a blue collar mentality, and a team that won't beat itself.

From that description, who best fits the profile for a 1st round pick?

FAST: OLB Simmons or OT Wirfs
TOUGH: OT Beckton
SMART/FUNDAMENTALLY SOUND: CB Okudah

AND FOR THE FREE AGENTS WE SIGNED:
FAST: LB Fackrell
TOUGH: TE Toillo LB Mayo WR/ST Core FB Penny
SMART/FUNDAMENTALLY SOUND: CB Bradberry MLB Martinez

As you can see, the free agents we have signed do fall into the plan outlined by Judge in his introductory interview. I think we will see that plan continue to unfold in the draft and in the rest of any free agents we pick up.
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I'm a little wary of bumping guys you have some experience with to the front of the line.

satisfied every naysayer on this board. For many, Objectivity has been replaced with emotion and for some it’s clear their rants are an outlet for other sorry stuff in their lives ... but that’s ok because that’s what forums are for ... Spider out.

But wouldn't go further than that. I'd like to see something long term and cheaper with Willams and still want a center, I'm asleep on Pio....

of front-loading contracts, which back up the general sentiment here


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the off season is over. When we roll into August, then make your assessment. Right now, stop being a bunch of miserable mother fuckers.

We still have the draft and then another wave of veterans who will get cut and will be available soon after.