I'm not sure what the Giants are doing here.
It seems like for years now - at least back to the Connor Barwin signing - the Giants have had the worst Edge Rush on paper in the entire NFL. With the players they have they don't even have a chance to get pass pressure off the edge.
Golden is a relentless try hard guy but he's a #3 at best. He is currently unsigned and would be our #1 again if we take him back.
This is unacceptable.
The Giants need to devote major resources to get at least 2 - maybe 3 - stud Edge Rushers. This is not a project that should drag out as long as it is and, quite frankly, I'm very surprised at our continued neglect of this critical position.
Wait until their price drops.
Now, if the Giants fail to reel in anymore pass rushers, I'll be disappointed. But they have time.
I agree 100%. I also believe there's a dearth of pass rushers in this draft so many teams believe they can wait it out in the long run.
Whiffing on Flowers and/or passing on Tunsil really fucked this team up, because we wouldn't be so desperate for OL at this time. Even if we traded away Tunsil like Miami, the asset Houston received was eventually flipped for Tunsil anyway. So maybe we'd still need OL, but the resource could have been shifted to ER.
Once he and the others were tagged, it left really CLowney, trades and the draft.
We can't trade away picks unless they are late rounders.
So here we are. I don't think I can blame DG for not getting the guy this year but we'll see what happens in the draft.
Personally I think they should have 5 true stud pass rushers.
Good point! No one in the NFL wants or cares about pass rushers.
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I’m with you. We have holes in a lot of units. So the odds of fixing as many as we have in one offseason are very small. But we have a young QB who was a major investment from last year’s draft. So he and the offense need more efficiency and competency from the OL. That should be THE consensus priority for everyone.
We have a massive hole at C, a massive hole at RT and the LT, who seems to be the new Eli with all of the sympathy and excuses for his play, is arguably the worst ROI player in the NFL.
The solutions so far? Cam Fleming.
Meanwhile, for the same contract as Martinez, we could have signed Brian Bulaga. One of the game’s best tackles.
We need to draft at least four OLs in this draft. And maybe get lucky and hit on two...
They signed Fackrell, they've got Carter and X to develop and deploy. They need to draft or sign one impact Edge to build around. We know it's not Golden. Clowney is not worth the price tag he's looking for. Jenkins is reportedly asking $13-14M per. No thanks. Who is left that is really promising?
Stay grounded in reality.
Meanwhile, for the same contract as Martinez, we could have signed Brian Bulaga. One of the game’s best tackles.
We need to draft at least four OLs in this draft. And maybe get lucky and hit on two...
If you feel Bulaga is one of the best tackles in the NFL, you have low standards. When he's not hurt he is ok. Better than what the Giants have, yes.
Conklin or Glenn, roll the dice. Bulaga, meh.
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Meanwhile, for the same contract as Martinez, we could have signed Brian Bulaga. One of the game’s best tackles.
We need to draft at least four OLs in this draft. And maybe get lucky and hit on two...
If you feel Bulaga is one of the best tackles in the NFL, you have low standards. When he's not hurt he is ok. Better than what the Giants have, yes.
Conklin or Glenn, roll the dice. Bulaga, meh.
I literally can’t stop laughing at that comment. One of the games best 😂
He played 30 games the last two years. 16 this year. He had a knee injury in 2017.
His contract with the Chargers is for three years, AAV $10M. If you get two years, it’s a bargain.
If you feel Bulaga is one of the best tackles in the NFL, you have low standards. When he's not hurt he is ok. Better than what the Giants have, yes.
Conklin or Glenn, roll the dice. Bulaga, meh.
I believe he was top tenish this year in pass blocking efficiency. That would be a massive upgrade over anyone on this roster.
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and will likely $10M+ per. Another significant gamble on a 30+ player. Pass.
He played 30 games the last two years. 16 this year. He had a knee injury in 2017.
His contract with the Chargers is for three years, AAV $10M. If you get two years, it’s a bargain.
He also came out of games constantly with nagging injuries. There's always a knee, an arm, even fingers with Bulaga, missing numbers of plays.
I’m a huge K’Lavon Chaisson fan..
Calm down. FFS.
One struggles to do his job and is vastly overpaid.
One struggles with nagging injuries, but still plays at a fairly high level. And is cheaper than the player most insist we need to keep.
Finding it very hard to reconcile that logic...
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That's why I'm hoping we trade out of the #4 and pick Chaisson and add an extra pick or two that upgrades the OL.
I’m a huge K’Lavon Chaisson fan. Nobody talks about him. Bucky Brooks doesn’t even have him in his top 5 ER yet has him going to Atlanta in his mock. That is how under the radar he is.
If we can trade back with LV or Jax I would love to get Chaisson and an OT in round 1.
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If Bulaga is one of the best at his position, Martinez is a HOF LB! And Fackrell is a top flight edge rusher. One of the best in the biz!!
I think it was worded poorly. The point I think he was making is talent wise, it would appear we are bottom tiered in edge pass rush/pressure. But, then again, where aren’t we bottom tiered at any position grouping?
As far as the OL, it's a really strong draft class and I expect them to use one of their first two picks on at least one guy. I would've liked for them to find a veteran Center although it was a weak and shallow FA class so average to below average guys were in demand.
Not investing in OL in this free agency could be a credible strategy based on what was avialble, but then the team really has to go all-in during this draft.
BPA Advocates - you may not like this view but the Giants board is probably going to be set up a bit different this year to align with an OL strategy in a deep draft.
And no, it won't hurt a 4-12 team.
A lot of it has to do with scheme though. Fans need to stop looking for "edge rushers"...a term that didn't even exist back in the day of Strahan and Osi. We can't bring in a Shaq Barret of Graham doesn't know how to use him.
I'm not big on Fleming but I don't think he was signed to start.
One struggles to do his job and is vastly overpaid.
One struggles with nagging injuries, but still plays at a fairly high level. And is cheaper than the player most insist we need to keep.
Finding it very hard to reconcile that logic...
Solder has stated that he is will to take a paycut and not a restructure I am sure the numbers are worked out ... the new deal just is not announced. So "cheaper" portion of or stance more than likely is not valid as this point ... but I feel you overall.
It all leads to the philosophy of creating pressure in the face of the QB straight up the middle to combat a quick release of the football, to force option plays outside, and to have the backend athletes to chase down the ball. Food for thought. We'd still keep looking for the impact Edge player. But, you want a Mack not a Clowney.
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Bulaga just turned 31.
One struggles to do his job and is vastly overpaid.
One struggles with nagging injuries, but still plays at a fairly high level. And is cheaper than the player most insist we need to keep.
Finding it very hard to reconcile that logic...
Solder has stated that he is will to take a paycut and not a restructure I am sure the numbers are worked out ... the new deal just is not announced. So "cheaper" portion of or stance more than likely is not valid as this point ... but I feel you overall.
That's possibly true. So we'll see on that part.
Still, from a production standpoint, Bulaga was one of the most dependable RTs in the NFL last year. Depending on the sources you use, he was one of the top run blocking RTs in the game. His pass protection, again depending on the source, is interesting.
PFF said he was one of the top ranked RT pass blocker during the second half of 2019. They gave him a 97.1 pass blocking efficiency rating. Which placed him 6th in the league.
For me, BB was a very good short term solution. A 3 year deal at only $10AAV. Seems a much wiser investment than the 4 yrs/$62M for our older LT who continues to leak more and more oil...
The guys who get paid to figure it out need to figure it out. Don’t want to watch another year of zero pass rush, and rolling my eyes a bit as we prioritize the secondary and RB instead of OL and pass rush.
1) The Giants have interest in Ngakoue and the price it would take to sign him.
2)The Jags are not happy with their QB situation...
...that the Giants are the best possible place to ship him.
Straight up: #4 for #9 and Ngakoue.
They rid themselves of a player that they would only be paying huge $ to for one year, a year where they are not contending.
Depending on when Brown is drafted, possible 3 of the OTs are still there at 9.
1) The Giants have interest in Ngakoue and the price it would take to sign him.
2)The Jags are not happy with their QB situation...
...that the Giants are the best possible place to ship him.
Straight up: #4 for #9 and Ngakoue.
I don't think that would be enough from our end. So throw in LW and I pull that trigger faster than a Dave Gettleman first round draft card.
So, the alternative is to trade with someone and hope that they gain enough to send the 9 and the newly acquired draft cap to the Giants for #4.
Why wait...just cut the deal.
The guys who get paid to figure it out need to figure it out. Don’t want to watch another year of zero pass rush, and rolling my eyes a bit as we prioritize the secondary and RB instead of OL and pass rush.
Why do feel the Giants pass rush was so bad?
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Fackrell, Carter & Ximines? Is this the XFL? I’m not the GM. Find a way. For a team that claims to be old school OLine and DLine dominance, to trot out a bad OLine and pass rush for years on end is ridiculous. Those 3 are not going to get it done.
The guys who get paid to figure it out need to figure it out. Don’t want to watch another year of zero pass rush, and rolling my eyes a bit as we prioritize the secondary and RB instead of OL and pass rush.
Why do feel the Giants pass rush was so bad?
Actually let me phrase this another way -- by what measurement are you grading the pass rush as "zero" and "bad."
Had to chuckle, Im in CT and we are starting to see limited toilet paper again
I think Golden is a little bit underrated here, him paired with another good ER is an ideal situation to have. If they don't get one in the draft this year I can see that being a big target for next year. My wild guess is that they want to bolster the o-line in the draft more-so this year and pick up some more defensive pieces later in the draft if there's a highly rated player there.
Though I wouldn't be upset if they took Simmons if he's sitting there at 4 and they feel he'd be a good fit for what they're planning on defense.
Van Noy is about the only one whose deal seemed reasonable and we'll never know if we made a play for him and lost out.
Ximines has a chance to have some impact as does Fackrell.
Now we look to the draft.