I'm not sure what the Giants are doing here.
It seems like for years now - at least back to the Connor Barwin signing - the Giants have had the worst Edge Rush on paper in the entire NFL. With the players they have they don't even have a chance to get pass pressure off the edge.
Golden is a relentless try hard guy but he's a #3 at best. He is currently unsigned and would be our #1 again if we take him back.
This is unacceptable.
The Giants need to devote major resources to get at least 2 - maybe 3 - stud Edge Rushers. This is not a project that should drag out as long as it is and, quite frankly, I'm very surprised at our continued neglect of this critical position.
There is the rest of FA and the draft and trades etc...
The last 2 years we cleared JPP & Vernon contracts, so I see the hesitation to dump $20m into a question with Clowney.
That being said, I agree we need Edge help, last year made that obvious...but I don't believe this is a finished product - It's March 20th.
Championship!
I’m a huge K’Lavon Chaisson fan. Nobody talks about him. Bucky Brooks doesn’t even have him in his top 5 ER yet has him going to Atlanta in his mock. That is how under the radar he is.
If we can trade back with LV or Jax I would love to get Chaisson and an OT in round 1.
Not gonna make this another Barkley at #2 thread but...
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The Fackrell signing is actually a very good one mainly because he is affordable and still young. He has proven to be productive and is a known commodity of Patrick Graham our new DC.
When you look at pass rushers like Clowney for example, while very disruptive, only had 3 sacks in 13 games last year. The price tag he wants is north of $20 Million per season. Clowney has a problem staying on the field and that is a major concern with that price tag.
Lorenzo Carter, Oshane Ximines and Fackrell is a decent group that needs to improve. Adding Golden might be a lateral move that would add depth but I think giving X Man and Carter those reps would be smarter.
A player like Zach Baun in round 2 would be a great addition. He is a do it all ER that played in a base 3-4 defense at Wisconsin. I would prefer Chaisson but would be happy with Baun.
should be our first round pick.
He was added as a role player, not some integral piece to man the strongest pass rush in the NFL.
Keep in mind, we also signed Golden who was one of the more improved pass rushers
No you don’t.
It’s interesting to me how silent the market is around Golden. I have no idea what he and his agent are asking for but it obviously is too much.
Why overreact to ER market when it seems way overpriced.
Patience as we are in the 5th day of FA.
Last year they address QB. Two years ago they addressed.. well er, RB. Odds are they'll address one of their remaining major needs --OLT-- in the draft. Edge will remain a priority for next year, in all likelihood.
A pass-rush can be manufactured, especially with better coaching and a better scheme, and hopefully we'll have both this year. Still, with the way the game is played now, a case can be made that your coverage is more important than your pass-rush, but that's a debate for another time.
While they may still sign a veteran to serve as a situational pass-rusher, or they may look for an Edge Rusher in the draft, I'd put less importance on drafting an ER and more on upgrading the O-Line and finding another weapon (or two) for Daniel Jones. If ER has to wait another year, so be it.
Wait until their price drops.
Now, if the Giants fail to reel in anymore pass rushers, I'll be disappointed. But they have time.
Wait until their price drops.
Now, if the Giants fail to reel in anymore pass rushers, I'll be disappointed. But they have time.
I agree 100%. I also believe there's a dearth of pass rushers in this draft so many teams believe they can wait it out in the long run.
Whiffing on Flowers and/or passing on Tunsil really fucked this team up, because we wouldn't be so desperate for OL at this time. Even if we traded away Tunsil like Miami, the asset Houston received was eventually flipped for Tunsil anyway. So maybe we'd still need OL, but the resource could have been shifted to ER.
Once he and the others were tagged, it left really CLowney, trades and the draft.
We can't trade away picks unless they are late rounders.
So here we are. I don't think I can blame DG for not getting the guy this year but we'll see what happens in the draft.
Personally I think they should have 5 true stud pass rushers.
Good point! No one in the NFL wants or cares about pass rushers.
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I’m with you. We have holes in a lot of units. So the odds of fixing as many as we have in one offseason are very small. But we have a young QB who was a major investment from last year’s draft. So he and the offense need more efficiency and competency from the OL. That should be THE consensus priority for everyone.
We have a massive hole at C, a massive hole at RT and the LT, who seems to be the new Eli with all of the sympathy and excuses for his play, is arguably the worst ROI player in the NFL.
The solutions so far? Cam Fleming.
Meanwhile, for the same contract as Martinez, we could have signed Brian Bulaga. One of the game’s best tackles.
We need to draft at least four OLs in this draft. And maybe get lucky and hit on two...
They signed Fackrell, they've got Carter and X to develop and deploy. They need to draft or sign one impact Edge to build around. We know it's not Golden. Clowney is not worth the price tag he's looking for. Jenkins is reportedly asking $13-14M per. No thanks. Who is left that is really promising?
Stay grounded in reality.
Meanwhile, for the same contract as Martinez, we could have signed Brian Bulaga. One of the game’s best tackles.
We need to draft at least four OLs in this draft. And maybe get lucky and hit on two...
If you feel Bulaga is one of the best tackles in the NFL, you have low standards. When he's not hurt he is ok. Better than what the Giants have, yes.
Conklin or Glenn, roll the dice. Bulaga, meh.
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Meanwhile, for the same contract as Martinez, we could have signed Brian Bulaga. One of the game’s best tackles.
We need to draft at least four OLs in this draft. And maybe get lucky and hit on two...
If you feel Bulaga is one of the best tackles in the NFL, you have low standards. When he's not hurt he is ok. Better than what the Giants have, yes.
Conklin or Glenn, roll the dice. Bulaga, meh.
I literally can’t stop laughing at that comment. One of the games best 😂
He played 30 games the last two years. 16 this year. He had a knee injury in 2017.
His contract with the Chargers is for three years, AAV $10M. If you get two years, it’s a bargain.
If you feel Bulaga is one of the best tackles in the NFL, you have low standards. When he's not hurt he is ok. Better than what the Giants have, yes.
Conklin or Glenn, roll the dice. Bulaga, meh.
I believe he was top tenish this year in pass blocking efficiency. That would be a massive upgrade over anyone on this roster.
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and will likely $10M+ per. Another significant gamble on a 30+ player. Pass.
He played 30 games the last two years. 16 this year. He had a knee injury in 2017.
His contract with the Chargers is for three years, AAV $10M. If you get two years, it’s a bargain.
He also came out of games constantly with nagging injuries. There's always a knee, an arm, even fingers with Bulaga, missing numbers of plays.
I’m a huge K’Lavon Chaisson fan..
Calm down. FFS.
One struggles to do his job and is vastly overpaid.
One struggles with nagging injuries, but still plays at a fairly high level. And is cheaper than the player most insist we need to keep.
Finding it very hard to reconcile that logic...
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That's why I'm hoping we trade out of the #4 and pick Chaisson and add an extra pick or two that upgrades the OL.
I’m a huge K’Lavon Chaisson fan. Nobody talks about him. Bucky Brooks doesn’t even have him in his top 5 ER yet has him going to Atlanta in his mock. That is how under the radar he is.
If we can trade back with LV or Jax I would love to get Chaisson and an OT in round 1.
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If Bulaga is one of the best at his position, Martinez is a HOF LB! And Fackrell is a top flight edge rusher. One of the best in the biz!!