I'm not sure what the Giants are doing here.
It seems like for years now - at least back to the Connor Barwin signing - the Giants have had the worst Edge Rush on paper in the entire NFL. With the players they have they don't even have a chance to get pass pressure off the edge.
Golden is a relentless try hard guy but he's a #3 at best. He is currently unsigned and would be our #1 again if we take him back.
This is unacceptable.
The Giants need to devote major resources to get at least 2 - maybe 3 - stud Edge Rushers. This is not a project that should drag out as long as it is and, quite frankly, I'm very surprised at our continued neglect of this critical position.
I think it was worded poorly. The point I think he was making is talent wise, it would appear we are bottom tiered in edge pass rush/pressure. But, then again, where aren’t we bottom tiered at any position grouping?
As far as the OL, it's a really strong draft class and I expect them to use one of their first two picks on at least one guy. I would've liked for them to find a veteran Center although it was a weak and shallow FA class so average to below average guys were in demand.
Not investing in OL in this free agency could be a credible strategy based on what was avialble, but then the team really has to go all-in during this draft.
BPA Advocates - you may not like this view but the Giants board is probably going to be set up a bit different this year to align with an OL strategy in a deep draft.
And no, it won't hurt a 4-12 team.
A lot of it has to do with scheme though. Fans need to stop looking for "edge rushers"...a term that didn't even exist back in the day of Strahan and Osi. We can't bring in a Shaq Barret of Graham doesn't know how to use him.
I'm not big on Fleming but I don't think he was signed to start.
One struggles to do his job and is vastly overpaid.
One struggles with nagging injuries, but still plays at a fairly high level. And is cheaper than the player most insist we need to keep.
Finding it very hard to reconcile that logic...
Solder has stated that he is will to take a paycut and not a restructure I am sure the numbers are worked out ... the new deal just is not announced. So "cheaper" portion of or stance more than likely is not valid as this point ... but I feel you overall.
It all leads to the philosophy of creating pressure in the face of the QB straight up the middle to combat a quick release of the football, to force option plays outside, and to have the backend athletes to chase down the ball. Food for thought. We'd still keep looking for the impact Edge player. But, you want a Mack not a Clowney.
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Bulaga just turned 31.
One struggles to do his job and is vastly overpaid.
One struggles with nagging injuries, but still plays at a fairly high level. And is cheaper than the player most insist we need to keep.
Finding it very hard to reconcile that logic...
Solder has stated that he is will to take a paycut and not a restructure I am sure the numbers are worked out ... the new deal just is not announced. So "cheaper" portion of or stance more than likely is not valid as this point ... but I feel you overall.
That's possibly true. So we'll see on that part.
Still, from a production standpoint, Bulaga was one of the most dependable RTs in the NFL last year. Depending on the sources you use, he was one of the top run blocking RTs in the game. His pass protection, again depending on the source, is interesting.
PFF said he was one of the top ranked RT pass blocker during the second half of 2019. They gave him a 97.1 pass blocking efficiency rating. Which placed him 6th in the league.
For me, BB was a very good short term solution. A 3 year deal at only $10AAV. Seems a much wiser investment than the 4 yrs/$62M for our older LT who continues to leak more and more oil...
The guys who get paid to figure it out need to figure it out. Don’t want to watch another year of zero pass rush, and rolling my eyes a bit as we prioritize the secondary and RB instead of OL and pass rush.
1) The Giants have interest in Ngakoue and the price it would take to sign him.
2)The Jags are not happy with their QB situation...
...that the Giants are the best possible place to ship him.
Straight up: #4 for #9 and Ngakoue.
They rid themselves of a player that they would only be paying huge $ to for one year, a year where they are not contending.
Depending on when Brown is drafted, possible 3 of the OTs are still there at 9.
1) The Giants have interest in Ngakoue and the price it would take to sign him.
2)The Jags are not happy with their QB situation...
...that the Giants are the best possible place to ship him.
Straight up: #4 for #9 and Ngakoue.
I don't think that would be enough from our end. So throw in LW and I pull that trigger faster than a Dave Gettleman first round draft card.
So, the alternative is to trade with someone and hope that they gain enough to send the 9 and the newly acquired draft cap to the Giants for #4.
Why wait...just cut the deal.
The guys who get paid to figure it out need to figure it out. Don’t want to watch another year of zero pass rush, and rolling my eyes a bit as we prioritize the secondary and RB instead of OL and pass rush.
Why do feel the Giants pass rush was so bad?
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Fackrell, Carter & Ximines? Is this the XFL? I’m not the GM. Find a way. For a team that claims to be old school OLine and DLine dominance, to trot out a bad OLine and pass rush for years on end is ridiculous. Those 3 are not going to get it done.
The guys who get paid to figure it out need to figure it out. Don’t want to watch another year of zero pass rush, and rolling my eyes a bit as we prioritize the secondary and RB instead of OL and pass rush.
Why do feel the Giants pass rush was so bad?
Actually let me phrase this another way -- by what measurement are you grading the pass rush as "zero" and "bad."
Had to chuckle, Im in CT and we are starting to see limited toilet paper again
I think Golden is a little bit underrated here, him paired with another good ER is an ideal situation to have. If they don't get one in the draft this year I can see that being a big target for next year. My wild guess is that they want to bolster the o-line in the draft more-so this year and pick up some more defensive pieces later in the draft if there's a highly rated player there.
Though I wouldn't be upset if they took Simmons if he's sitting there at 4 and they feel he'd be a good fit for what they're planning on defense.
Van Noy is about the only one whose deal seemed reasonable and we'll never know if we made a play for him and lost out.
Ximines has a chance to have some impact as does Fackrell.
Now we look to the draft.